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« Reply #300 on: March 06, 2009, 10:25:38 PM »
Yeah, I just remembered that you're 16.  And playing the age card is a dick move; I know plenty of people twice your age that loved the movie.  Sorry.
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« Reply #301 on: March 06, 2009, 10:27:12 PM »
I liked Rorschach's method of pedophile murdering more in the book than in the movie. Ozymandias was pretty bad, too.

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« Reply #302 on: March 06, 2009, 10:53:57 PM »
I saw A LOT of kids with parents at my showing tonight. Like kids under 10. I was pretty surprised.

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« Reply #303 on: March 06, 2009, 10:56:39 PM »
I still need to know why the pirate story makes sense in the comic, guys.  :'(
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« Reply #304 on: March 06, 2009, 10:58:37 PM »
It's an allegory for Ozymandias' life.

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« Reply #305 on: March 06, 2009, 10:58:57 PM »
I saw A LOT of kids with parents at my showing tonight. Like kids under 10. I was pretty surprised.

I went at noon today, there were only like seven other people in the theater.  Being antisocial = :rock
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« Reply #306 on: March 06, 2009, 11:03:51 PM »
It's an allegory for Ozymandias' life.
Oh. Okay.

I'm going to read chapter 6 now, get to the halfway point.
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« Reply #307 on: March 06, 2009, 11:06:11 PM »
If I've got the graphic novel sitting in my apt but have never read it, and won't be seeing Watchmen until next weekend, should I read the novel beforehand?

Or should I treat it like I did Akira, see the movie and then use the novel to 'fill in the gaps?' 


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« Reply #308 on: March 06, 2009, 11:09:35 PM »
After some time to think about it, I think the story (having not read the graphic novel) was alright and has merits and some interesting questioning for its time.  My problem with the story in the film and why the film is so un-engaging is just that none of the characters were likable.  When you don't care about anyone, you don't care about the plot's world and it's hard to get a satisfying end out of it.  This could be a problem of the movie just not doing a good job fleshing out the novel's cast; but as a film everyone just feels so empty and soulless.

I didn't see The Spirit, but from what I read that had a similar problem where it looked great but felt empty.

Not enough amnesiac princesses and reluctant small town heroes I guess
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« Reply #309 on: March 06, 2009, 11:12:14 PM »
If I've got the graphic novel sitting in my apt but have never read it, and won't be seeing Watchmen until next weekend, should I read the novel beforehand?

Or should I treat it like I did Akira, see the movie and then use the novel to 'fill in the gaps?' 



I'm reading it beforehand. If you want to cheat a little...

http://www.capnwacky.com/rj/watchmen.html
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« Reply #310 on: March 06, 2009, 11:25:38 PM »
After some time to think about it, I think the story (having not read the graphic novel) was alright and has merits and some interesting questioning for its time.  My problem with the story in the film and why the film is so un-engaging is just that none of the characters were likable.  When you don't care about anyone, you don't care about the plot's world and it's hard to get a satisfying end out of it.  This could be a problem of the movie just not doing a good job fleshing out the novel's cast; but as a film everyone just feels so empty and soulless.

I didn't see The Spirit, but from what I read that had a similar problem where it looked great but felt empty.
Characters have to be likeable for a film to be engaging? I think it was un-engaging because it spread itself too thin and there was a blue penis.
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« Reply #311 on: March 06, 2009, 11:27:44 PM »
Watchmen movie is pretty good, definitely one of the better comic book movies. My main problems are that a lot of scenes felt truncated or were missing entirely, which will hopefully be fixed with the director's cut, and it felt a bit spotty overall. Also, not enough of The Comedian. He completely owned every scene he appeared in. Loved the soundtrack choices too, especially Philip Glass, Sound of Silence, and I'm Your Boogie Man. I wouldn't say that it's a great movie, but I'm definitely looking forward to complete four and a half hour experience.
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« Reply #312 on: March 06, 2009, 11:32:50 PM »
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« Reply #313 on: March 06, 2009, 11:40:29 PM »
I could totally see Hanna-Barbera doing that in the 1970's.  :lol
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« Reply #314 on: March 06, 2009, 11:49:31 PM »
Got back, I don't want to go into too much detail, since I guess Eric P and I are going to breakdown the film for our first podcast, but I'll give a brief summary of my opinion.  Great visualization of the novel, but poor thematic effort.  I can't really fault Zack Snyder or the actors - I'm not quite sure what flick Triumph saw - because this thing fell apart at the screenwriting process.  It's technically impressive, but too disjointed, dull and detached to really stand out as a great adaptation.

Great looking film, but not very compelling.
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« Reply #315 on: March 07, 2009, 12:27:42 AM »
it was really satisfying and cool to see some of the scenes from the novel played out like that, but i had a lot of problems with it, and not sure it would be good to someone who hasn't read the comic.

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« Reply #316 on: March 07, 2009, 12:38:02 AM »
Yeah, there were definitely a handful of scenes that were great to see on the big screen, but the film has no emotional weight to it and zero sense of urgency for a flick about nuclear armageddon.  Everyone just seems to gradually get to to the ending, of which I have no issues with the changes from the novel, but rather the execution.
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« Reply #317 on: March 07, 2009, 12:39:48 AM »
Blew past chapter 7.

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I know that I'm probably misaiming my fandom here, but what Rorschach did to the psychiatrist was awesome. Mind. Blown. Also, :lol at Gibbons not drawing Laurie's tits, but having no problems with the blue meat whistles. GAAAAAAAAAAAAY.  :hump
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« Reply #318 on: March 07, 2009, 02:24:45 AM »
Intriguing comments Willco.
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« Reply #319 on: March 07, 2009, 06:23:12 AM »
I just saw it last night, what a shitty movie. It stayed pretty faithful to the book, but the whole thing seemed incoherent and disjointed. Zach Snyder is a terrible director too: half the scenes were slow motion accompanied by "epic" music and the sex scenes were gratuitous and just painful to watch. They definitely didn't delve into the duality of the Comedian enough, but the Rorschach backstory in the middle was probably the best part of the film for me.
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« Reply #320 on: March 07, 2009, 09:13:00 AM »
Zach Snyder is a terrible director too: half the scenes were slow motion accompanied by "epic" music...

Are you sure you didn't see 300, because that was not the case here.  There are a lot of flaws with the film, none of which is that half the film is shot in slow motion with epic battle cues.  I think there are maybe five fight sequences in a movie that clocks in just shy of three hours.
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« Reply #321 on: March 07, 2009, 09:19:14 AM »
Agreed; as I said earlier, Snyder showed admirable restraint in not going to his favorite well too many times.

He's still not a good director, though.  Your wanting to blame it on the screenwriting is a cop out- he's the director, he gets to make choices leading up to and during filming.
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« Reply #322 on: March 07, 2009, 09:40:15 AM »
You of all people should know better - that's kind of ridiculous.  There are so many other people's sticky fingers on this production, as with all Hollywood productions, that to lay blame for the entire process on the director is nothing short of naive.  If it was up to him, we would've gotten an entirely different cut.  We probably would've gotten an entirely different draft.  A lot of this is compromise.  Warner Bros. gave him a lot of flexibility, moreso than most probably, but it is a Hollywood studio production with certain mandates no matter who is behind the camera.

He's a director in Hollywood.  Nobody gets to make all the decisions.

On his end, he did an admirable job.  Even the sharpest critics have noted that the film has a lot of visual flair, just not a lot else.  He did an impressive job of recreating the panels.

Now did Snyder goof up?  I'd say music selection, for sure.  Should have gotten a better editor, which does fall into his realm of his control.  The fight choreography was flat, especially since it carried no emotional weight.  And inserting non-existent fight sequences into the film is an indicator that you don't think your script holds up (needs more action beats!).
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« Reply #323 on: March 07, 2009, 09:44:42 AM »
There's also the whole thing where a bunch of his actors turned in shitty, dull performances.
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« Reply #324 on: March 07, 2009, 09:52:17 AM »
You could have had every actor deliver Oscar caliber performances and it would not have made this film any better - and you know it.  Sure, Ackerman is not as good as her peers, but her performance is by no means terrible.  Hell, if anyone chewed massive amounts of scenery, it was Carla Gugino.

The problem is that they're delivering dialogue that read better on the funny pages than spoken out of people's mouths.  No amount of acting classes could change that.

The film ends up being this dense, dull beast as a result of simply recreating panels for film and not actually adapting the source material.  That includes dialogue.
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« Reply #325 on: March 07, 2009, 10:05:59 AM »
Zach Snyder is a terrible director too: half the scenes were slow motion accompanied by "epic" music...

Are you sure you didn't see 300, because that was not the case here.  There are a lot of flaws with the film, none of which is that half the film is shot in slow motion with epic battle cues.  I think there are maybe five fight sequences in a movie that clocks in just shy of three hours.

Are you serious? the entire first half of the movie was in slow motion. smh

And yes, it reminded me of 300.
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« Reply #326 on: March 07, 2009, 10:31:13 AM »
Except it wasn't.  Even mad hater, Triumph, recognizes that!
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« Reply #327 on: March 07, 2009, 11:18:41 AM »
I thought the movie was okay however they made the mistake of attempting to exactly copy the graphic novel into film. The story as it was told was made for comic books and the film version of it should have been altered and trimmed for that particular medium.

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« Reply #328 on: March 07, 2009, 11:58:12 AM »
Watch it again Willco. It's not just the action sequences either. It honestly seemed like every other scene in the first half of the movie used slow motion. I don't know how you can't notice, it was glaringly obvious to me.
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« Reply #329 on: March 07, 2009, 12:00:55 PM »
Triumph is right about that. Instead of working to make a good film it seems like all Snyder did was obsess over bringing as many details (big and minuscule) to the screen. Faithfulness took precedence over actually making a competent movie. I saw the clip where the Crimebusters meeting dissolves and holy shit, that's a fucking horrible scene. Maybe it'll be better when I see the entire thing but good lord

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« Reply #330 on: March 07, 2009, 12:01:49 PM »
As a big time hater of 300 style slow-mo I gotta say Watchmen didn't have nearly as much as I expected. The trailers made it seem like it was all over, I didn't notice it that often in Watchmen.

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« Reply #331 on: March 07, 2009, 12:45:16 PM »
As a big time hater of 300 style slow-mo I gotta say Watchmen didn't have nearly as much as I expected. The trailers made it seem like it was all over, I didn't notice it that often in Watchmen.

Well, there wasn't as much action in Watchmen for one thing and it was much longer for another.  It's still obvious that particular trick is Snyder's "thing", which I guess is cool since his body of work is comparable to say an Alfonso Cuaron or Darren Aronofsky according to some yahoos around here.
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« Reply #332 on: March 07, 2009, 12:46:26 PM »
All this talk about the sex scenes are making me want to see the movie :drool
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« Reply #333 on: March 07, 2009, 12:57:57 PM »
In the end though Watchmen's biggest issue was that is suffered from the Harry Potter syndrome where it tried to hard to be like a cliffnotes version of a book to the point where that all it was, it wasn't it's own thing didn't feel like a real movie. It's really hard to describe it but...yeah.

Jackie Earle Haley was good though, can't believe this guy fell off the map for like 10 years in the 90's.

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« Reply #334 on: March 07, 2009, 12:58:42 PM »
All this talk about the sex scenes are making me want to see the movie :drool
You see far more of Night Owl's ass in the sex scene then you see of Akerman's tits.

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« Reply #335 on: March 07, 2009, 01:35:41 PM »
As a big time hater of 300 style slow-mo I gotta say Watchmen didn't have nearly as much as I expected. The trailers made it seem like it was all over, I didn't notice it that often in Watchmen.

Well, there wasn't as much action in Watchmen for one thing and it was much longer for another.  It's still obvious that particular trick is Snyder's "thing", which I guess is cool since his body of work is comparable to say an Alfonso Cuaron or Darren Aronofsky according to some yahoos around here.

:drudge nerd rage :drudge

why do you keep talking about this shit? WE GET IT, YOU DON'T LIKE SNYDER'S FILMS. YOU THINK HE SUCKS.

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« Reply #336 on: March 07, 2009, 01:37:15 PM »
Shake provided a more articulate, negative response


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I tried to be optimistic, but that's basically what I got from this too. The marketing, everything just leads me to believe nobody involved with this actual knows what the fuck the novel was about. They just saw it had a great rep, could be condensed into some flashy razzle-dazzle psuedo-intellectual "adult" actioner riding TDK's coattails, and decided to take a chance. I appreciate that they tried to be faithful to the novel, but it seems no one bothered to probe any deeper than lifting scenes right off the page and staging them like a high school play with a hell of an effects budget. Really, really disappointed in this, and my hopes weren't exactly all that high going in. I don't see how any online critics/etc. who have read the graphic novel can actually praise such a soulless, ridiculous adaptation. It's like they're just too happy to have any Watchmen movie, they're willing to forgive the fact that it's about as engaging as Fantastic Four 2: Rise of the Silver Surfer. I can forgive the popcorn audiences for digging it, since they've basically been given a film that revels in high-falutin', blood-splattered, hyper-stylized, hyper-sexualized bullshit they've grown so accustomed to. But how people can praise Snyder for "breaking boundaries" etc., really, is fucking beyond me.*

*Expanding on that, did these people tauting Snyder's work here not see shit like Sin City or 300? That's basically what this is; an adaptation that stays fairly close to the source, only reveling a bit too joyously in the over the top sex and violence. The problem is, while that works for adapting Miller (because that's basically his bread and butter), for Watchmen it just feels like they completely missed the POINT. To add insult to injury, this didn't even strike me as having been done so in a tongue-in-cheek, self-aware kind of way; it seemed like they were trying to make a legitimately deep flick here, only they got too caught up with the razzle-dazzle to actually inject much soul. In the end, it plays like a shiny, pretty summary of the events of the novel.

Or rather, more like some dweeby action junkey trying to describe the graphic novel to a friend, only focusing on the "grittiness" and the sex and violence and failing to really sell what the story is actually about.


As you can tell, I've got some pretty strong feelings on the topic. I just feel like they had a golden opportunity to present an adequate, engaging adaptation of a work I feel is the strongest the medium has to offer, and one of my favorite works of fiction EVER, and they just completely squandered it in favor of making some popcorn crowd-pleaser with a grandiose sense of intellect.
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« Reply #337 on: March 07, 2009, 01:53:36 PM »
You'll be hearing more from me later, but I agree with Willco's comment on the lack of urgency. It really felt like there was no "armageddon" hanging over the film. It's referenced to, but I feel that there's just not enough.
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« Reply #338 on: March 07, 2009, 02:38:43 PM »
The Watchmen Motion Comic was a better movie. I give it 7 Human Cockroaches out of 11.5 Aging Bloated Whores.
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« Reply #339 on: March 07, 2009, 03:17:29 PM »
It's amazing what a nice Saturday afternoon can do to ya.  :-*

Two chapters to go. Prison break sequence anticlimatic. Midget crime boss funny as hell.
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« Reply #340 on: March 07, 2009, 03:19:25 PM »
The Watchmen Motion Comic was a better movie. I give it 7 Human Cockroaches out of 11.5 Aging Bloated Whores.
I agree with this.

I sat through the entire 5 hour motion comic the day before the movie and thought the motion comic was a more compelling experience. Even with the single male narrator voice. I still ended up liking the film version quite a bit, but as Willco said there was something missing. While that's true, the comic also had that distant human connection about it too. A lot of the comic's story is told from the perspective intentionally shallow, grimey, emotionless or bland characters. So I can't really fault the film for that. The film's pacing did feel really off, but what can you do when you have to cram 5 hours of material into  3.
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« Reply #341 on: March 07, 2009, 03:20:57 PM »

I didn't see The Spirit, but from what I read that had a similar problem where it looked great but felt empty.
The Spirit was just trash.  Outside of SLJ scenes, the movie was absolutely terrible in every regard except visuals. 

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« Reply #342 on: March 07, 2009, 04:08:32 PM »
Quick question: does the Motion Comic have, in some way, the articles at the end of the chapters? The comic wouldn't work without them and they are one of my favorite touches to the original story.
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« Reply #343 on: March 07, 2009, 04:12:48 PM »
they don't have them, but they do have the black freighter.

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« Reply #344 on: March 07, 2009, 04:53:05 PM »
they don't have them, but they do have the black freighter.

Honestly, I didn't really care for the Black Freighter. Damn, even as like a DVD bonus feature where you can read through it would have been nice. I know they do that for screenplays all the time on DVDs and Blu-rays. That makes me sad.
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« Reply #345 on: March 07, 2009, 05:07:33 PM »
I finished it up.
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The giant squid destroying NYC was disturbing as hell. At first, it was anticlimatic, then...

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« Reply #346 on: March 07, 2009, 05:20:29 PM »
As a big time hater of 300 style slow-mo I gotta say Watchmen didn't have nearly as much as I expected. The trailers made it seem like it was all over, I didn't notice it that often in Watchmen.

Well, there wasn't as much action in Watchmen for one thing and it was much longer for another.  It's still obvious that particular trick is Snyder's "thing", which I guess is cool since [his body of work is comparable to say an Alfonso Cuaron or Darren Aronofsky according to some yahoos around here.

I'd think you were Hunter S. ranting about Nixon here or something.  Nobody is saying anything approaching what you are.  Zach Snyder, going by the evidence demonstrated pre-Watchmen (since I have not seen it) is not a bad director.  And even if he does end up on the south side of mediocre (which I don't think he does),  he's certainly done nothing to deserve the obsessive scorn you keep tossing out.
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« Reply #347 on: March 07, 2009, 10:00:21 PM »
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« Reply #348 on: March 07, 2009, 10:03:35 PM »
I still want to see this, and am keeping my slate clean.

Snyder may not be a "visionary director" but the few interviews I've seen of him online, he doesn't come across as the douche that made 300. Still cautiously optimistic...
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« Reply #349 on: March 07, 2009, 10:22:33 PM »
Well at least this movie had some good music.

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« Reply #350 on: March 07, 2009, 10:24:09 PM »
Well at least this movie had some good music.

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« Reply #351 on: March 07, 2009, 10:27:11 PM »
Well at least this movie had some good music.

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« Reply #352 on: March 07, 2009, 11:22:45 PM »
movie was great.

Snyder vindicated.
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« Reply #353 on: March 07, 2009, 11:24:26 PM »
movie was great.

Snyder vindicated.

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« Reply #354 on: March 08, 2009, 12:21:33 AM »
If you're going to an AMC imax theatre:

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« Reply #356 on: March 08, 2009, 03:40:38 AM »
I first read Watchmen back in junior high school (mid 90s) and love it, I saw the movie tonight and liked it. Things were changed, but I was fine with it. I went with two people who've never read the book (my wife and a friend of ours), and they both enjoyed it.
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« Reply #357 on: March 08, 2009, 06:31:24 AM »
They shouldn't have made this movie.  They should've made a watchmen movie and adapted it to be a movie instead of filming it exactly like a comic book... it felt really forced, slow and dumb.
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« Reply #358 on: March 08, 2009, 08:16:28 AM »
They shouldn't have made this movie.  They should've made a watchmen movie and adapted it to be a movie instead of filming it exactly like a comic book... it felt really forced, slow and dumb.

You just don't understand the brilliance of VISIONARY director Zach Snyder, who has directed one re-make and two too faithful comic book adaptations.  He's just that awesome.
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