Author Topic: Star Trek fans bash new film as "fun, watchable" (Read 37740 times)

Bloodwake · « **Reply #60 on:** May 06, 2009, 03:51:51 PM »

I used to hate the film opinions here but now I lol at it. It's all in good fun.

The internet isn't serious business, dude.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #61 on:** May 06, 2009, 04:18:59 PM »

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on May 06, 2009, 02:49:00 PM

I'm somewhat negative on almost every movie i watch and i love watching movies.

Same here. 7/10 for me is a good film.

It's good to be critical though. You get more out of films that way.

Cheebs · « **Reply #62 on:** May 06, 2009, 04:39:26 PM »

Quote from: Green Man on May 06, 2009, 04:13:36 PM

If Star Trek does well, I wonder if we'll see a lot more films in space.

What do you think, Cheebs?

Star Wars Prequels massive box office didn't bring about tons of space opera's though.

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #63 on:** May 06, 2009, 04:43:59 PM »

well at least we have Roland Emmerich's FOUNDATION to look forward to

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I just pre-ordered tickets for Star Trek this Friday

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TVC15 · « **Reply #64 on:** May 06, 2009, 04:47:47 PM »

Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on May 06, 2009, 04:43:59 PM

well at least we have Roland Emmerich's FOUNDATION to look forward to

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smh. I'm pirating this bitch.

Cheebs · « **Reply #65 on:** May 06, 2009, 04:48:35 PM »

How does Emmerich still get big huge budgets? His last couple of films have been flops.

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #66 on:** May 06, 2009, 04:50:03 PM »

Quote from: Eric P on May 06, 2009, 03:14:00 PM

it can be the best batman movie and still suck

also batman the movie 1966 is the best batman movie

Eric P · « **Reply #67 on:** May 06, 2009, 04:51:22 PM »

Darkman is the best Batman Movie

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #68 on:** May 06, 2009, 04:51:37 PM »

Quote from: Cheebs on May 06, 2009, 04:48:35 PM

How does Emmerich still get big huge budgets? His last couple of films have been flops.

he's a director with a conscience, the voice of his generation

Cheebs · « **Reply #69 on:** May 06, 2009, 04:52:07 PM »

This is the reason why I both love and hate evilbore at the same time.

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #70 on:** May 06, 2009, 04:52:54 PM »

the patriot is the best batman movie

Eric P · « **Reply #71 on:** May 06, 2009, 04:53:55 PM »

Un chien andalou is the best Batman movie

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #72 on:** May 06, 2009, 04:54:57 PM »

Quote from: Eel O'Brian on May 06, 2009, 04:50:03 PM

Quote from: Eric P on May 06, 2009, 03:14:00 PM
it can be the best batman movie and still suck

also batman the movie 1966 is the best batman movie

/cosigned

cool breeze · « **Reply #73 on:** May 06, 2009, 04:56:22 PM »

I think the evilbore consensus on movies is generally good if only because everyone hates Juno. Unless one of you don't, which would be sad.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #74 on:** May 06, 2009, 04:58:23 PM »

Ugh, did this thread turn to crap in a hurry.

Listen, this is for the mocking of Trek fans who take this shit too seriously. I understand that some here are arguing from the position of film snob (which I appreciate) and while I am always down for some mocking of Cheebs, the outrage at the EXTREMIFICATION of Star Trek is kind of lulzworthy.

It's like, on the one hand, sure the new movie will probably be a bit of a lame update. On the other, it's likely to be better summer escapist fare than either Bayformers or last year's Indiana Jones debacle. And on the third... most of Star Trek, through it's history, has been laughably bad or outright sucked. Don't believe me?

Original Trek: laughably bad, fun at times. Not really special despite the slavering nerd brigades it inspired.
TNG: good by accident. OK, not really. A good series for most of it's run, but usually because it ignored it's heritage.
DS9: the best, imo. Awesome because it took place in one location.
Voyager: lulz.
Enterprise: double lulz.
The various movies were all not very good.

So, if you're whining and bitching about the sullying of the franchise's good name, step back for a second, look around and realize who you're standing next to: Manabyte.

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #75 on:** May 06, 2009, 04:58:49 PM »

I didn't think Juno was ... that bad.

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just kidding, fuck Juno

has Diablo Cody been kicked out of Hollywood yet

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Human Snorenado · « **Reply #76 on:** May 06, 2009, 05:01:10 PM »

Patel, that's OSCAR WINNING SCREENWRITER/FORMER STRIPPER DIABLO CODY to you, sir.

Eric P · « **Reply #77 on:** May 06, 2009, 05:02:18 PM »

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on May 06, 2009, 04:55:33 PM

There is a tapas bar in Seville that has the scene from Un Chien running along the walls, fram by frame.

that's pretty cool.

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #78 on:** May 06, 2009, 05:02:42 PM »

i think i've maybe seen a dozen episodes of star trek (all series) in my entire life

i have enjoyed some of the movies for what they were, though

i have a free movie pass on hand, so i'll probably use it to see either this one or terminator

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #79 on:** May 06, 2009, 05:04:07 PM »

Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on May 06, 2009, 04:58:49 PM

I didn't think Juno was ... that bad.

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just kidding, fuck Juno

has Diablo Cody been kicked out of Hollywood yet
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she writes a column for entertainment weekly, which i have a free subscription to and still don't bother reading

entertainment weekly is the entertainment weekly of magazines

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #80 on:** May 06, 2009, 05:06:07 PM »

I have a subscription to Entertainment Weekly too (don't ask)

the good news is that from all accounts Jennifer's Body is a clusterfuck so maybe we can accelerate her fall to disgrace

Cheebs · « **Reply #81 on:** May 06, 2009, 05:09:06 PM »

Her tv show on showtime is terrible.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #82 on:** May 06, 2009, 05:09:56 PM »

STFU, Cheebs. You're like evilbore's version of Donnie from The Big Lebowski, except not as cool.

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #83 on:** May 06, 2009, 05:11:18 PM »

she has a show, too?

http://www.thisblogsmellsfunny.com/2008/03/suggested-pen-names-for-aspiring.html

Cheebs · « **Reply #84 on:** May 06, 2009, 05:12:20 PM »

Quote from: The Card Cheat on May 06, 2009, 05:09:56 PM

STFU, Cheebs. You're like evilbore's version of Donnie from The Big Lebowski, except not as cool.

I won't take back loving Juno. I still love Juno. But I still think her show is terrible.

Bloodwake · « **Reply #85 on:** May 06, 2009, 05:47:21 PM »

I like Juno, but it is pretentious as fuck and further rewatches have degraded my opinion of the film. How the fuck did it get nominated for Best Picture?

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #86 on:** May 06, 2009, 05:53:00 PM »

Sunday School Semenizing mmm

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Human Snorenado · « **Reply #87 on:** May 06, 2009, 05:55:07 PM »

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #88 on:** May 06, 2009, 05:57:46 PM »

there's some frightening story about how the Patriot Act was used to remove a 16-year-old from home schooling today and all I could think is "at last! a valid use!"

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #89 on:** May 06, 2009, 06:01:41 PM »

Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on May 06, 2009, 05:57:46 PM

there's some frightening story about how the Patriot Act was used to remove a 16-year-old from home schooling today and all I could think is "at last! a valid use!"

Bloodwake · « **Reply #90 on:** May 06, 2009, 06:48:33 PM »

Oh my fucking god, might have just found a way to see Star Trek tonight.

Now I'm in full blown out geek Trekkie mode. More later.

TVC15 · « **Reply #91 on:** May 06, 2009, 06:51:47 PM »

Quote from: Eel O'Brian on May 06, 2009, 05:11:18 PM

she has a show, too?

http://www.thisblogsmellsfunny.com/2008/03/suggested-pen-names-for-aspiring.html

United States of Tara. Got Showtime its best ratings in years and was also a pretty decent critical success. Already renewed for a second season.

Sorry, Patel, but Diablo Cody ain't gonna get kicked out any time soon

Cheebs · « **Reply #92 on:** May 06, 2009, 07:31:54 PM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on May 06, 2009, 06:51:47 PM

Quote from: Eel O'Brian on May 06, 2009, 05:11:18 PM
she has a show, too?

http://www.thisblogsmellsfunny.com/2008/03/suggested-pen-names-for-aspiring.html

United States of Tara. Got Showtime its best ratings in years and was also a pretty decent critical success. Already renewed for a second season.

Sorry, Patel, but Diablo Cody ain't gonna get kicked out any time soon

And produced by steven spielberg lol.

The girl who plays her sister is hot, thats the only good part about it.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #93 on:** May 06, 2009, 07:39:03 PM »

Quote from: The Card Cheat on May 06, 2009, 05:09:56 PM

STFU, Cheebs. You're like evilbore's version of Donnie from The Big Lebowski, except not as cool.

Speaking of Donnie, Cheebs probably loved Donnie Darko and thought it was really deep.

Cheebs · « **Reply #94 on:** May 06, 2009, 07:41:11 PM »

No, I actually didn't like it. Big Lebowski on the other hand is great, although Raising Arizona is the best Coen Brothers comedy I still think.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #95 on:** May 06, 2009, 11:59:07 PM »

Ebert didn't think too highly of it:

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“Star Trek” as a concept has voyaged far beyond science fiction and into the safe waters of space opera, but that doesn’t amaze me. The Gene Roddenberry years, when stories might play with questions of science, ideals or philosophy, have been replaced by stories reduced to loud and colorful action. Like so many franchises, it’s more concerned with repeating a successful formula than going boldly where no “Star Trek” has gone before.

The 2009 “Star Trek” film goes back eagerly to where “Star Trek” began, using time travel to explain a cast of mostly the same characters, only at a younger point in their lives, sailing the Starship Enterprise. As a story idea, this is sort of brilliant and saves on invention, because young Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Uhura, Scotty and the rest channel their later selves. The child is father to the man, or the Vulcan, and all that.

Don’t get me wrong. This is fun. And when Leonard Nimoy himself returns as the aged Spock, encountering another Spock (Zachary Quinto) as a young man, I was kind of delighted, although as is customary in many sci-fi films, nobody is as astonished as they should be. Holy moly! Time travel exists, and this may be me! It’s more like a little ambiguous dialogue is exchanged, and they’re off to battle the evil Romulan Capt. Nero (Eric Bana).

Time travel as we all know, is impossible in the sense it happens here, but many things are possible in this film. Anyone with the slightest notion of what a black hole is, or how it behaves, will find the black holes in “Star Trek” hilarious. The logic is also a little puzzling when Scotty can beam people into another ship in outer space, but they have to physically parachute to land on a platform in the air from which the Romulans are drilling a hole to the Earth’s core. After they land there, they fight with two Romulan guards, using ... fists and swords? The platform is suspended from Arthur C. Clark’s “space elevator,” but instead of fullerenes, the cable is made of metallic chunks the size of refrigerators.

But stop me before I get started. I mention these details only to demonstrate that the movie raises its yo-yo finger to the science, while embracing the fiction. Apart from details from the youths of the characters and the Spock reunion, it consists mostly of encounters between the Enterprise and the incomparably larger and much better armed Romulan spaceship from the future. It’s encouraging to learn that not even explosions and fires can quickly damage a starship. Also that lifeboats can save the crew, despite the vast distance from home base.

That would be because of warp speed, which for present purposes consists of looking through an unnecessary window at bright lights zapping past. This method of transportation prevents any sense of wonder at the immensity of outer space and is a convenience not only for the starship but also for the screenwriters, who can push a button and zap to the next scene. The concept of using warp speed to escape the clutches of a black hole seems like a recycling of the ancient dilemma of the rock and the hard place.

But there are affecting character moments. Young Spock is deliberately taunted in hopes he will, as a Vulcan, betray emotion. Because Zachary Quinto plays him as a bit of a self-righteous prig, it’s satisfying to see him lose it. Does poor young Spock realize he faces a lifetime of people trying to get a rise out of him? Nimoy, as the elderly Spock, must have benefitted, because he is the most human character in the film.

Chris Pine, as James Tiberius Kirk, appears first as a hot-rodding rebel who has found a Corvette in the 23rd century and drives it into the Grand Canyon. A few years after he’s put on suspension by the Academy and smuggled on board the Enterprise by Bones McCoy (Karl Urban), he becomes the ship’s captain. There are times when the command deck looks like Bring Your Child to School Day, with the kid sitting in daddy’s chair.

Uhura (Zoe Saldana) seems to have traveled through time to the pre-feminist 1960s, where she found her miniskirt and go-go boots. She seems wise and gentle and unsuited to her costume. Scotty (Simon Pegg) seems to have begun life as a character in a Scots sitcom. Eric Bana’s Nero destroys whole planets on the basis of faulty intelligence, but the character is played straight and is effective.

The special effects are slam-bam. Spatial relationships between spaceships are unclear because the Romulan ship and the Enterprise have such widely unmatched scales. Battles consist primarily of jump-suited crew members running down corridors in advance of smoke, sparks and flames. Lots of verbal commands seem implausibly slow. Consider, at light warp speeds, how imprecise it would be to say “At my command ... 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...” Between “2” and “1,” you could jump a million galaxies.

I thought about these things during “Star Trek” because I could not help myself. I understand the Star Trek science has never been intended as plausible. I understand this is not science fiction but an Ark movie using a starship. I understand that the character types are as familiar as your favorite slippers. But the franchise has become much of a muchness. The new movie essentially intends to reboot the franchise with younger characters and carry on as before. The movie deals with narrative housekeeping. Perhaps the next one will engage these characters in a more challenging and devious story, one more about testing their personalities than re-establishing them. In the meantime, you want space opera, you got it.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090506/REVIEWS/905069997

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #96 on:** May 07, 2009, 12:18:04 AM »

someone invite Ebert to Evilbore

also rename it Ebertbore in his honor

Cheebs · « **Reply #97 on:** May 07, 2009, 12:24:43 AM »

Has the same RT score as The Dark Knight in the end though. Guess that means EB must hate it.

Fresh Prince · « **Reply #98 on:** May 07, 2009, 12:38:52 AM »

I don't get this forum, they bash Ebert in one thread and then praise him in another.

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/Cheebs

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Cheebs · « **Reply #99 on:** May 07, 2009, 12:39:58 AM »

Whatever fits the EB mindset. Star Trek is getting near universal praise, amazing fucking amazing reviews. Any of the handful that don't like it will get worshipped.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #100 on:** May 07, 2009, 12:47:00 AM »

I guess I must be doing it wrong- I thought Dark Knight was a good summer flick, Watchmen sucked and am indifferent towards Star Trek for the most part.

Cheebs is still a little back seat riding, mommy driven bitch tho.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #101 on:** May 07, 2009, 12:55:00 AM »

Quote from: Cheebs on May 07, 2009, 12:39:58 AM

Whatever fits the EB mindset. Star Trek is getting near universal praise, amazing fucking amazing reviews. Any of the handful that don't like it will get worshipped.

So because the vast majority of reviews for it are positive that means that the movie is absolutely perfect, above reproach, and everyone in the world should fall all over themselves in heaping lavish praise on it? The vast majority of reviewers said that Speed Racer and Silent Hill were both trash movies with few redeeming qualities and they were dead wrong. The point being that RT percentages are a nice guideline, but hardly the be-all, end-all for every single person out there.

I'll go watch it this weekend and most likely enjoy it, but it doesn't sound like it's what I'm really looking for in Star Trek movie.

Bloodwake · « **Reply #102 on:** May 07, 2009, 12:56:41 AM »

Everyone in their right mind also knows that Ebert has been going bonkers on film reviews for a while now.

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #103 on:** May 07, 2009, 01:32:57 AM »

bringing up RT percentages like they mean something is such bullshit

Bloodwake · « **Reply #104 on:** May 07, 2009, 01:38:41 AM »

I think this thread has a problem

Unless people just came back from advanced screenings, no one here has seen the fucking movie, so we are all fucking distinguished mentally-challenged for making a judgment of its quality.

Fresh Prince · « **Reply #105 on:** May 07, 2009, 01:46:10 AM »

You have a problem!

Why don't you just make out with Cheebs in the back of his mom's car while she takes you guys shopping?

TVC15 · « **Reply #106 on:** May 07, 2009, 03:05:06 AM »

Quote from: Fresh Prince on May 07, 2009, 12:38:52 AM

I don't get this forum, they bash Ebert in one thread and then praise him in another.

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I like reading Ebert. I don't always agree with his opinions, but I think he generally does a good job of at least making me consider his opinion. Unlike, say, Cheebs, who's just a barometer of the hype behind something. Star Trek this year, Obama last year, Juno the year before. . .

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #107 on:** May 07, 2009, 03:09:00 AM »

Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on May 07, 2009, 01:32:57 AM

bringing up RT percentages like they mean something is such bullshit

Revenge of the Sith pretty much conclusively proved that.

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #108 on:** May 07, 2009, 10:48:00 AM »

Funny thing about this movie, it's mostly made by people who didn't give a shit about Star Trek. Aside from the writers. Lol

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #109 on:** May 07, 2009, 11:17:14 AM »

zoe salalaldadalada is pretty hot. i bet she's worth seeing it in imax for.

Mupepe · « **Reply #110 on:** May 07, 2009, 02:11:08 PM »

Saw it last night. It was awesome. Hardcore trekkies won't be fulfilled though. Take it for what it is and it is awesome though.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #111 on:** May 07, 2009, 03:39:36 PM »

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on May 06, 2009, 05:50:36 PM

Also it appeals to pseudo-hipsters.

I'm of the belief that all hispters are "psuedo-hispters."

Quote from: Cheebs on May 07, 2009, 12:39:58 AM

Whatever fits the EB mindset. Star Trek is getting near universal praise, amazing fucking amazing reviews. Any of the handful that don't like it will get worshipped.

My God you're annoying. Why do you care so much about these things?

tiesto · « **Reply #112 on:** May 07, 2009, 05:22:08 PM »

Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on May 06, 2009, 05:53:00 PM

Sunday School Semenizing mmm

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Sunday School For Degenerates

Only sunday school I would actually go to, awesome mnml/techno party thrown by Made Event. Oh and my crazy wingbat ex LOVED Juno, unsurprisingly. She and I watched it together and I thought it was horrible.

TVC15 · « **Reply #113 on:** May 07, 2009, 07:59:52 PM »

Crank 2 > Star Trek

Seems over for Star Trek

Boogie · « **Reply #114 on:** May 07, 2009, 10:50:37 PM »

Just got back from it.

Initial reaction: Pretty good. ....okay, I thought it was frickin' cool.

One thing almost ruined it for me, though:

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Spock and Uhura?! What the FUCK, writers?! Eww

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But otherwise, gut reaction is I was thoroughly entertained, lots of action, there were tons of Trek in-jokes/references (and most of them worked/fit in well)

Later on, I'm sure I'll have a few plot nitpicks, but coming out of the theatre, I thought it did almost everything right. Definitely ranks above every TNG film besides First Contact.

Cheebs · « **Reply #115 on:** May 07, 2009, 10:58:33 PM »

I wish they gave Jennifer Morrison at least one other scene. Come on she should at least been at the part when Kirk becomes Captain.

Boogie · « **Reply #116 on:** May 07, 2009, 11:03:59 PM »

Quote from: Cheebs on May 07, 2009, 10:58:33 PM

I wish they gave Jennifer Morrison at least one other scene. Come on she should at least been at the part when Kirk becomes Captain.

goes to imdb...

mommy Kirk? Meh, I'm over it.

first nitpick: I didn't like Chekhov. I think just about everyone else did a good job (Urban's McCoy

) but Chekhov blew chunks.

Cheebs · « **Reply #117 on:** May 07, 2009, 11:11:12 PM »

Chekov was..odd. The russian accent just felt weird. I normally like the actor but yeah. Urban was channeling deforest kelley. I was worried that he wouldn't get much screen time due to him being barely in the trailers but was thankfully proven wrong.

Oh and they need to get rid of Scotty's sidekick before the sequel. It was funny but just felt so out of place and un-needed.

The reference to the first Star Wars movie of Luke and Obi-Wan with the sand people was cute though, didn't think the homage would be that obvious lol.

Boogie · « **Reply #118 on:** May 07, 2009, 11:38:13 PM »

I think the new Chekhov had a tough time because he is Russian, but had to adapt his accent to Koenig's fucked-up faux-Russian. (ie, Russians have absolutely no problem pronouncing their V's, in fact, it's the opposite, as there's no W in Russian)

Cheebs · « **Reply #119 on:** May 08, 2009, 12:13:42 AM »

Sulu was fine. Phoenix in the GAF said it best when he said it's hard to explain it but for some reason this Sulu feels more like Sulu than the old one.

Maybe it is because Takei has become such a parody of himself in recent years I dunno but that gut reaction of his feels right to me as well.

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Author Topic: Star Trek fans bash new film as "fun, watchable" (Read 37740 times)