COD6 MW2 thread of inferior Clancy SP, sweet SpecOps and energy swords MP

[The Fake Shemp]

You seemed to be saying that camping isn't a factor in regular TDM, and that's a crock of shit. And then you went on to rant about Stopping power, despite it being in a separate slot altogether. I don't particularly give a shit whether or not you use Ninja pro or some other perk, but your argument is all over the place.

Camping really isn't a regular factor in vanilla TDM. Am I saying people don't do it? No.

... but if that's the determining factor for your perks, then you're cuckoo.

I also didn't saying GO WITH STOPPING POWER ONLY, I was merely saying it's one of those high-powered perks you should have. I APOLOGIZE THAT I DID NOT RECALL ALL THE PERKS FOR A VARIOUS SLOT OFFHAND, but as stated, I have corrected which ones would be better off in a slot.

Also, you got a lot of nerve criticizing me on a technicality, calling it ranting no less, after all the FUD you spread before the game was release.

YOU CAN'T DO THIS WAH WAH WHA

Only to find out that's not true.

[The Fake Shemp]

Also I forgot who mentioned it but someone said the p90 wasn't as good as it was in COD 4 and I'll disagree. I'm owning with it now on certain maps just like you could in COD 4. If it was nerfed, it was quite a mild nerf.

It was definitely nerfed (as in its less powerful in its base configuration than it was before), but if you add rapid fire and full metal jacket or a proper sight, you won't notice a difference. It's still pretty beastly in certain situations, and is my primary weapon of choice for anti-air classes.

[brawndolicious]

I mainly use Ninja just to keep off of heartbeat sensors.  For sniper classes, it's pretty much necessary to go with Steady Aim pro for the last slot since it lets you hold your breath longer.

[The Fake Shemp]

Considering how much UAV is called, plus visible radar 24/7 (unless someone throws EMP), it's pretty tough to throw someone off entirely. It might definitely give you an edge in a sniper map or something like Favela, but I think you have to weigh the pros and cons on that one.

[GilloD]

Are you seriously saying that people don't camp in this game? 

There isn't a shooter made where people don't "camp". Especially if it is a non-objective gametype and the game isn't a Quake style shooter. 

There are two types (among many) that play COD MP. The group that plays gametypes like Domination and GroundWar which are essentially much more fast paced and chaotic and those who prefer the Hardcore Playlists where slow play is a much more dominant and enjoyable gameplay style for those playlists.

Personally I prefer the hardcore modes because I don't like to run around in a manic state but the nice thing is that there many playlists to incorporate either style.

... At least Stoney Mason gets the score. You guys can use Ninja Pro if you'd like on non-Hardocore playlists, but you're wasting your slot. Have fun getting that one kill you earned from sneaking up on someone versus twice as many with a more high-powered approach.

Commando Pro, Steady Aim and Last Stand are all superior perks to use in those modes. And Cajole, if you wonder why I did so well after that one bad round transitioning from Hardcore, that's the reason why. I dumped Ninja Pro for Steady Aim for one class, Commando Pro for the other.

I'd agree with this. Hardcore is NOT Camper's Delight, but it is a much more deliberate, slower paced, intense kind of gameplay. Regular is for Run 'n Gun, Hardcore is all about being sneaky and keeping your eyes open. Stuff like Ninja is useless when everyone is running all over the map, anyway.

[GilloD]

At least Stoney Mason gets the score. You guys can use Ninja Pro if you'd like on non-Hardocore playlists, but you're wasting your slot. Have fun getting that one kill you earned from sneaking up on someone versus twice as many with a more high-powered approach.

You seemed to be saying that camping isn't a factor in regular TDM, and that's a crock of shit. And then you went on to rant about Stopping power, despite it being in a separate slot altogether. I don't particularly give a shit whether or not you use Ninja pro or some other perk, but your argument is all over the place.

Camping is in TDM, but between Kill Cam and the radar, you're unlikely to pop more than 1 or 2 kills from a hiding spot before someone comes and drops your ass.

[GilloD]

I still have a shitty kill death ratio because until a few days ago I didn't realize I was running utorrent as a background process on one of my computers that was chewing up all my bandwith for the last few weeks and giving me shitty connections.

Every game I join is like that, I get shot and I watch the killcam and I'm about 10 feet from where I was last alive on my screen.

I got in a full local game last night (all 3-4 green bars) and it was like a whole new game.

When you play with 3 or 4 bars it is a whole new game. Because of that utorrent issue, I was always playing with one or two bars and it was frustrating because while I'm not great at the game, I knew I was better than what my stats were saying and I couldn't quite figure out why I was sucking so bad.

Now I just have to work to bring up that awful K/D ratio that was established because of it.

Also I forgot who mentioned it but someone said the p90 wasn't as good as it was in COD 4 and I'll disagree. I'm owning with it now on certain maps just like you could in COD 4. If it was nerfed, it was quite a mild nerf.

Lag in this game is really subtle. It's not like herky jerky, but you're seeing your shots and you're pulling on them and it's like. It just isn't happeneing for some reason. After a few of those I always know my lag is bad. I wish it was a little more evident.

[The Fake Shemp]

The worst feeling is pulling off a shot before you die, only to see it not fire on the killcam.

I also hate the phrase "Newb Tube".

... As for hadcore, there are maps where people can literally stay in the same spot for an entire game. I've seen it drive people nuts. Especially since everyone uses cold-blooded, so a lot of aircraft becomes useless. If anything, I feel like there's a lack of balance in that portion of the game. Everyone uses Cold Blooded and Ninja Pro, which negates a lot of perks. I wish there was something to counter that.

[Stoney Mason]

Camping is in TDM, but between Kill Cam and the radar, you're unlikely to pop more than 1 or 2 kills from a hiding spot before someone comes and drops your ass.

Like I said camping is in every game but it always strikes me as a humorous complaint in a game where in the non-hardcore versions you have a kill cam that explicitly tells you who killed you, where, and how, and a variety of methods to kill campers and relatively small maps to boot so it's not like they are miles away from you on most of the maps.

I wonder have people played some of the other games out there where you have no defense against it...

In addition like I said I'm not the best person to attack campers. If left to my druthers I prefer a slow paced game that never nears the ending score mark. I move slowly and I tend to hold down areas.

When everybody knows what the good areas are, it's not so hard to create a team effort to dislodge people from the prime positions.

[Brehvolution]

Lag sucks and all but you are at the mercy of the server. What you see isn't what the server saw 2 seconds before what you saw. It's gone on in every online FPS since there was online FPS.

[Beezy]

Me, Willco, and Bz completely owned tonight in our first ground war domination match on Skidrow. I managed to call in a predator missile, harrier, and chopper gunner for the first time. We had the 'BORE' tag up, so after that match we all got messages from people wanting to join us and like a third of the room threw up the Bore tag.

[The Fake Shemp]

Yeah, that was pretty funny. I started out rough, but came on strong our last few matches. Did you see that triple kill Predator I launched? Sweet, sweet stuff.

Now the BORE has gone viral.

[Cormacaroni]

Me, Willco, and Bz completely owned tonight in our first ground war domination match on Skidrow. I managed to call in a predator missile, harrier, and chopper gunner for the first time. We had the 'BORE' tag up, so after that match we all got messages from people wanting to join us and like a third of the room threw up the Bore tag.

BORE

my copy still hasn't arrived
and even if it did, my old man reflexes would only drag you down

[The Fake Shemp]

We'd still have fun. We have a couple of guys that I would call novices, but it's all in good fun, and we're never serious. If you put six or so of us together, we can usually prop up our team as a whole with consistent communication.

Just saying shit like, "Will, look at out behind you - it's a dirty turrist!" goes a long way. Y'know?

[Cormacaroni]

no doubt. there is still the time zone issue though. but one day! I should really prune my friends list and get some more Bore folks on there.

[duckman2000]

Camping really isn't a regular factor in vanilla TDM. Am I saying people don't do it? No.

Well, you did. As part of your ANGRY ASSAULT ON A PERK (which you fucked up the slot of anyway, lulz).

I also didn't saying GO WITH STOPPING POWER ONLY, I was merely saying it's one of those high-powered perks you should have. I APOLOGIZE THAT I DID NOT RECALL ALL THE PERKS FOR A VARIOUS SLOT OFFHAND, but as stated, I have corrected which ones would be better off in a slot.

Hence why your argument was all over the place. Duh. Try to MAKE SOME SENSE next time.

Camping is in TDM, but between Kill Cam and the radar, you're unlikely to pop more than 1 or 2 kills from a hiding spot before someone comes and drops your ass.

And that camper hunter will have the upper hand with the ninja pro perk. So it fits perfectly fine in non-HC playlists.

[Beezy]

We'd still have fun. We have a couple of guys that I would call novices, but it's all in good fun, and we're never serious. If you put six or so of us together, we can usually prop up our team as a whole with consistent communication.

Just saying shit like, "Will, look at out behind you - it's a dirty turrist!" goes a long way. Y'know?

Indeed. I still consider myself a novice, but I have really good games every once in a while.

[The Fake Shemp]

God, you're daft, duckman. My argument isn't all over the place - it's remained the same. How come Stoney Mason seems to understand it (as does am nintenho, GilloD, etc.), and you don't? Wait - don't answer.

The only thing I screwed up was naming a perk for a specific slot, which I a) clearly rectified and b) mentioned only as one of the perks people should have in lieu of perks designed for camping (i.e. Ninja Pro). If you can't follow that, then you're a moron. But - hey - you're the guy who was clearly talking out of his ass before the game came out.

... Also, you're arguing for Ninja Pro for "camper hunters" in non-HC playlists as a way to get the upper hand when you know a person's exact location? Here's a thought: grenades and special equipment.

Then you can use that slot for something that matters, instead of searching out errant players who only have a kill or two in one spot before the jig is up.

Look, it's a cool perk, but as already stated, it's unlikely you'll deal with a team full of campers in non-HC playlists. You can use it if you want, and that's fine, but it seems pretty silly outside of Hardcore. If you can't use Killcams, radar, UAV, grenades, etc. to weed out such players, I doubt Ninja Pro will help you.

[The Fake Shemp]

You're pretty good, Beezy. Every once and awhile, you'll pull out a monster game. Most notably when you got stuck on the opposing team, and whooped everyone. It was like you channeled your rage into AC-130 form.

[Cormacaroni]

Duckman and Willco need to man the fuck up, form MW2 squads and fight it out. You've gone well past the point at which words can solve anything.

[Vizzys]

one vs one

throwing knives only

marathon_lightweight_ninjapro

be there

[The Fake Shemp]

If I wanted to play with duckman, I would have invited him. Modern Warfare 2 is full of enough douchebags as is, no need to play with any more.

Viz is pretty good, but he hardly plays with us.

[The Fake Shemp]

one vs one

throwing knives only

marathon_lightweight_ninjapro

be there

Fuck that. Throwing knives suck.

[Vizzys]

im online pretty often

i have bad timing i think

[The Fake Shemp]

I thought you were just trying to avoid us, you tend to be the less chatty one. I didn't know if we rubbed you the right wrong way.

[duckman2000]

God, you're daft, duckman. My argument isn't all over the place - it's remained the same. How come Stoney Mason seems to understand it (as does am nintenho, GilloD, etc.), and you don't? Wait - don't answer.

The only thing I screwed up was naming a perk for a specific slot, which I a) clearly rectified and b) mentioned only as one of the perks people should have in lieu of perks designed for camping (i.e. Ninja Pro). If you can't follow that, then you're a moron. But - hey - you're the guy who was clearly talking out of his ass before the game came out.

... Also, you're arguing for Ninja Pro for "camper hunters" in non-HC playlists as a way to get the upper hand when you know a person's exact location? Here's a thought: grenades and special equipment.

Then you can use that slot for something that matters, instead of searching out errant players who only have a kill or two in one spot before the jig is up.

Look, it's a cool perk, but as already stated, it's unlikely you'll deal with a team full of campers in non-HC playlists. You can use it if you want, and that's fine, but it seems pretty silly outside of Hardcore. If you can't use Killcams, radar, UAV, grenades, etc. to weed out such players, I doubt Ninja Pro will help you.

Killcams and grenades only work well with spot campers, and UAVs are all but useless since this kind of player will almost certainly have cold blooded and a heartbeat monitor. To take out a dude nesting in an environment with ample cover, like the gazillion such spots on maps like Quarry, stealth options are good to have. You're the one claiming that it's useless for specific playlists, when it obviously isn't.

As for talking about games before they come out, weren't you defending the game with the ferocity before even playing it, against criticism from people (like me, lulz) who were actually playing it? Good job.

By the way, the killstreak crates are complete shit, so that pre-release complaint stands. Ironically, they are precisely why I want to take out people even if they will only get one or two kills.

[Beezy]

You're pretty good, Beezy. Every once and awhile, you'll pull out a monster game. Most notably when you got stuck on the opposing team, and whooped everyone. It was like you channeled your rage into AC-130 form.

Haha, thanks. I'm pretty reckless though so I end up dying a lot. It helps win matches in objective game types (domination is my favorite) because I'll do anything to capture shit, but not team deathmatch. I usually die the most on my team and I feel like the loss was my fault.

[duckman2000]

There's a sense of freedom in playing objective matches. With TDM, there isn't much to fight for other than better win/loss and k/d ratio so that becomes an obsession, but that's all useless in objective matches.

[The Fake Shemp]

I wasn't defending the game with any type of ferocity, merely responding to your unfounded criticisms as per the Internet. I said the game would rock, and guess what, duckman? It rocks.

And you, the guy that ran off his mouth like he was Robert Bowling prior to the game dropping, are lecturing me because I named one of the perks I felt people should use to an incorrect slot? Of which had no real bearing on my argument, but satisfied your ridiculous need to nitpick because you're a whiny douchebag?

If I ever see you online, I hope a killstreak crate falls on head so I can teabag your uterus.

[The Fake Shemp]

Haha, thanks. I'm pretty reckless though so I end up dying a lot. It helps win matches in objective game types (domination is my favorite) because I'll do anything to capture shit, but not team deathmatch. I usually die the most on my team and I feel like the loss was my fault.

Eh, who cares. It's a video game. We all have fun.

Except when we play Wasteland.

Nobody has fun on that map.

[Beezy]

There's a sense of freedom in playing objective matches. With TDM, there isn't much to fight for other than better win/loss and k/d ratio so that becomes an obsession, but that's all useless in objective matches.

Basically. I stopped caring about my K/D ratio since COD4. I do still care about my win/loss ratio though.

Haha, thanks. I'm pretty reckless though so I end up dying a lot. It helps win matches in objective game types (domination is my favorite) because I'll do anything to capture shit, but not team deathmatch. I usually die the most on my team and I feel like the loss was my fault.

Eh, who cares. It's a video game. We all have fun.

Except when we play Wasteland.

Nobody has fun on that map.

Yeah, it really sucks.

[The Fake Shemp]

Whenever people tell everyone to veto a map, I feel like the alternative always ends up being Wasteland. Like some kind of cruel joke from Infinity Ward.

[duckman2000]

I wasn't defending the game with any type of ferocity, merely responding to your unfounded criticisms as per the Internet.

You spent pages defending a game you hadn't played against (unfounded, lulz) internet impressions from someone currently playing it. Yeah, you really shouldn't be yapping too much about pre-release impressions.

There's a sense of freedom in playing objective matches. With TDM, there isn't much to fight for other than better win/loss and k/d ratio so that becomes an obsession, but that's all useless in objective matches.

Basically. I stopped caring about my K/D ratio since COD4. I do still care about my win/loss ratio though.

Haha, thanks. I'm pretty reckless though so I end up dying a lot. It helps win matches in objective game types (domination is my favorite) because I'll do anything to capture shit, but not team deathmatch. I usually die the most on my team and I feel like the loss was my fault.

Eh, who cares. It's a video game. We all have fun.

Except when we play Wasteland.

Nobody has fun on that map.

Yeah, it really sucks.

Yet no one vetoes the damned thing. Sub base on the other hand gets close to vetoed every single time. It's Bog all over again.

[The Fake Shemp]

You spent pages defending a game you hadn't played against (unfounded, lulz) internet impressions from someone currently playing it. Yeah, you really shouldn't be yapping too much about pre-release impressions.

I didn't spend pages, although my posts might be on multiple pages. My line of thought the entire time was that the game would rock, and that you should shut the fuck up. Turns out half the shit you said was stupid, and guess what? The game rocked.

If you feel different, mail me your copy of the game. I will take it off your hands for you. Seriously. I'll give you my office address. I'll even pay for shipping.

If not, may a killstreak crate hit you right in the cunt.

[duckman2000]

Why would I sell it? The game is good, even with shitty slot machine elements. That doesn't mean that for example the story isn't in fact shit stupid, which was one of the things you took issue with. Bu bu bu unfounded criticism!

[The Fake Shemp]

You can hate the story, because that's personal preference.

I was talking about all the unfounded criticism of the game's mechanics and multiplayer, which almost all of your commentary was half-baked conjecture based off of streaming videos.

This thread, the one we're typing in, pretty much was a platform for you to be a sobbing vagina about the game weeks leading up to the release. It was obnoxious, and you were wrong.

Game rocks. I was right.

So you can kind of shut the fuck up. Or send me your game.

[duckman2000]

you were wrong.

Pfft. I was right about every single thing expect the balance of perks. 

[The Fake Shemp]

This is my impression of you before it came out:

Every killstreak crate is a chopper or AC-130. You can't call in multiple air items at a time because the game has too much stuff going on. Duel wielding breaks the multiplayer. Snipers with shotguns break the multiplayer. Afghan map sucks, creates too much sand in my vagina.

(The last part I made up, because reading through your garbage posts gives me a headache.)

My favorite quote:

MP looks like a fucking mess, is therefore a shit game for idiots.

Looks like you were rig- OH WAIT. Again, shut the fuck up. Or send me your game.

[duckman2000]

Yeah well, it did look like a mess. So I was right, again.

[The Fake Shemp]

So it is therefore a shit game?

Sounds like you don't want you copy then. Put up or shut up.

[duckman2000]

So it is therefore a shit game?

Sounds like you don't want you copy then. Put up or shut up.

Well, it would have been, if it had been a mess. Which it looked like it was.

Untouchable.

[The Fake Shemp]

You're a joke.

[duckman2000]

Says the dude who claims that there is no camping in non-hc modes. But hey, A+ for diversionary effort.

[duckman2000]

Yeah, sorry everyone, this is really fucking lame. Let's try something else

Does anyone like Rundown? I have yet to finish a damned match on that map with a positive k/d. I should have this shit down by now, but is there a "trick" to this one?

[BamYouHaveAids]

the m16 is almost like cheating

every other game is 20+ kills with <10 deaths. mostly run with that and the knife setup in hopes of running into duckman, yo ass is getting shanked

[duckman2000]

I guess it's a matter of skill, but most of the knife dudes I come across act a lot like shield dudes: they get empowered by a few bum kills, and get real careless.

[brawndolicious]

wasteland is a pretty good map for me.  People who camp in the bushes and in the bunker are actually pretty exposed if you flank them or flash them, it's a pretty good tactical map for objective stuff.

[demi]

Camp of Duty: Launchin Copters

[pilonv1]

this fucking game

20 minutes finding a game that wasn't 2 yellow bars where i am lagging

now im in a game where i have an awesome ping (4 green bars), but everyone else is yellow or below

[Jansen]

suxs 4 u

i play green bar rooms in ground war all day everyday.

[pilonv1]

yes it sucks for me that infinity ward are lazy cunts who cant put in a local search

[Jansen]

i'll agree with you there.

iirc didn't world at war have a local search option?

edit: just popped it in and it sure did. IW must not have wanted anything to do with improvements treyarch made.

[pilonv1]

Yes.

Treyarch > IW in terms of matchmaking

[duckman2000]

wasteland is a pretty good map for me.  People who camp in the bushes and in the bunker are actually pretty exposed if you flank them or flash them, it's a pretty good tactical map for objective stuff.

Maybe they should pull a Rust and lock it out of certain game modes. But given the lack of vetoes when it comes up in TDM rotation, I guess it's still a popular map for that mode.

[EmCeeGrammar]

yes it sucks for me that infinity ward are lazy cunts who cant put in a local search

Did the first one have a local search?  I'm browse this thread because I'm enjoying the wii hand me down, and it would be really weird that it has a local region option and mw2 doesn't.

[Stoney Mason]

Hmmm... I need some tips on how to play the Estate Map.

I'm a middle distance AR player and a short range SMG player on most maps but I can't quite get a handle on that map and how to run it and where are the good spots. Whenever I actually get inside the house I die a lot. I can't hold down the area because there are so many entrances.

[Vizzys]

that house on the left of the hill up to the main house is a pretty good spot

a lot of people when they enter the house just run straight up stairs, but you could snipe through the bigass windows for a while without being noticed

if you are trying to get in the house all sneaky like, take use the log on the side with the greenhouse to get to the second floor not the stairs

theirs plenty of map not based around the estate though, that dockish area with the boat is usually pretty empty, and you can surprise people trying to the get to the house from there since they usually just barely avoid that place

its not really a run and gun map

[Stoney Mason]

Camping really isn't a regular factor in vanilla TDM. Am I saying people don't do it? No.

Well it is in Domination and HQ, I dont play TDM so dunno about that.

It is supposed to be in objective types where the goal is to hold down an area. I camp a great deal in Battlefield games and so do most people if they aren't on the attack and defending a base.

[pilonv1]

yes it sucks for me that infinity ward are lazy cunts who cant put in a local search

Did the first one have a local search?  I'm browse this thread because I'm enjoying the wii hand me down, and it would be really weird that it has a local region option and mw2 doesn't.

Wasn't in the first one but I never had as many issues getting in a local match. Maybe it's because the volume of players is much higher.

The only reason they didn't add it is so they can talk about how wonderful IW is and how great their matchmaking is.

[Stoney Mason]

I get pretty great connections (outside of the utorrent issue I mentioned earlier). Almost always 4 bars and I'm often a host.

Just a tip. Most people of course know about your nat setting and whether that is open, strict, or moderate and how that effects things but you also want to make sure your UPnP  is enabled on your router even if your NAT is open. I use to have issues with this back in the day on many games but once I fixed it, my online stuff tends to run great.

 
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