The TV shows you've seen recently thread.

[nudemacusers]

Separating art vs artist is fine and often easy to do when the artist is just kind of an asshole on the low; not as easy when said artist blasts repellent garbage via a loudspeaker constantly.

[Dickie Dee]

Yeah, it's not like Roseanne was compartmentalizing her asshole-ness. It's hard to separate from her work.

[nudemacusers]

Somehow varg has managed to be less obnoxious about his actual killing of a person and church-burning than Roseanne about her weird racist conspiracies and edgelord tweet diarrhea. Kind of impressive on Roseanne’s part tbh.

[Stoney Mason]

Like a lot of life, there is no hard and fast rule. Sometimes I can separate the person from the art and sometimes I can't. It's often an individual case kind of thing based on how much I like the art. The better the art, the easier it is honestly for me to do it. That's not the most fair thing in the world but its how my brain works. Family sitcoms are pretty low on my art list so its pretty easy for me to shitbin Roseanne and her "art".

[benjipwns]

the hollywood corporate exec in me is saying "holy shit, this is a great opportunity to get out of a second season we should have never greenlit so fast for so much" versus her known normal level of crazy already factored in

wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of other revivals that suddenly popped up all over in the wake of Roseanne's re-debut start silently disappearing

they originally shot the Roseanne stuff back in 2017 as an eight episode "special" thing for the anniversary, then reassembled to shoot an extra episode just in case...then renewed it for a full "tenth" season literally days after that original premiere was such a surprise hit, it never kept up ratings of that level or the attention it got (let alone all the TRUMP ZEITGEIST wankery), did more ratings of "hey, this popular thing i heard about is a bit different and unique for midseason so i'll watch it" and it wasn't exactly going to be as cheap to continue since everyone took "cuts" to do it as a special in the first place, Barr herself had already been pushing up the bidding just to keep her

[benjipwns]

it had been sounding to me like they were already considering they could hype it up enough again to make up for the expected ratings cratering like every other broadcast sitcom, toss out one more season (probably shorter than the standard 22 episodes again) and get out with sacks full of money before it fell apart naturally from modern broadcast economics

all the wankery about the politics or how it was saying something about "restoring the glory days of the sitcom" or whatever was probably all part of that in an already internalized cynical notion about the modern broadcast sitcom

take literally any sitcom from the era that has done reruns for years-to-decades after and you can probably do the same comparatively huge premiere, good ratings for a HBO length "season" and then slowly fall apart in a second comeback season then pull the plug before the costs outrace it

stuff like Arrested Development and 30 Rock are operating on completely separate models, just like the shows themselves originally were, and probably do better now (or will/would) than the shows ever did originally

[benjipwns]

lone exception: a Cosby revival, do it NBC like your dark corporate hearts demand... they wanna get nuts, lets get nuts

[Stoney Mason]

See I'd say it's the opposite reaction for me, because it's a family sitcom and is pretty low on the art list, I really don't give a shit what anyone involved does or says.

Everybody is different. Roman Polanski is a pretty shit guy. But he has made some of my favorite movies of all time. It doesn't overly effect my enjoyment of them because they are really great art for me. Which is not to say he shouldn't have paid the consequences for what he did or that he doesn't continue to be a shit-bird based on his recent comments ala the me too movement.

[benjipwns]

if anyone has a "Lisa Bonet" parody account now's your chance to like the above post that you've been waiting for

[FatalT]

I’ve been binging Supernatural because it’s supposed to be really good and I like the Dean/Sam bromance. Up to season 4, episode 12 so I finally got past the monster of the week garbage and into the heaven/hell with angels parts and it’s gotten more fun.

Started Gotham too but am only watching that with the girlfriend. Read that season 1 is slow and bleh but 2-current are a blast. I like the Penguin because he’s like the original and the one they used in the TellTale game.

Also I’m probably a terrible human being but I’m getting her into Lost and we’re at season 1’s finale.

[Stoney Mason]

I'm watching the new Arrested Development season and it feels somehow more off than the 4th season. It's missing the rapid fire comedy and editing that made the original run a favorite of mine.

Thx for reminding me. Need to binge these.

[team filler]

not gonna defend MJ, but I still listen to off the wall and thriller. I'm not gonna stop enjoying good music just because some kids might have got amirox'd 30 years back

[Assimilate]

not gonna defend MJ, but I still listen to off the wall and thriller. I'm not gonna stop enjoying good music just because some kids might have got amirox'd 30 years back

i'm still on the fence on that one. He was too weird in a guy that never grew up way be to be an amirox.

And didn't the family that was involved in that fall apart afterwards? the father committed suicide and the kid vanished?

[benjipwns]

And didn't the family that was involved in that fall apart afterwards? the father committed suicide and the kid vanished?

not making any argument about Jackson as I've never looked into it, but I did want to point out that you might want to re-evaluate these "points of evidence" from the perspective that something traumatic might have happened to cause them

especially something traumatic "coped with" through the global media spotlight and legal system

[Assimilate]

And didn't the family that was involved in that fall apart afterwards? the father committed suicide and the kid vanished?

not making any argument about Jackson as I've never looked into it, but I did want to point out that you might want to re-evaluate these "points of evidence" from the perspective that something traumatic might have happened to cause them

especially something traumatic "coped with" through the global media spotlight and legal system

Possible. But LA people are weird so i never know what to think.

Yes, let my son go play with a grown ass man and have sleep overs 

[Mandark]

MJ is sort of the opposite of Bill Cosby, in that the factual case against him was much, much weaker but his public persona was weird enough by that point that a lot of people were ready to believe it.

[Assimilate]

MJ is sort of the opposite of Bill Cosby, in that the factual case against him was much, much weaker but his public persona was weird enough by that point that a lot of people were ready to believe it.

Mandark, would you let your 12 year old self be fondled by MJ for 20 million?

Serious question.

[benjipwns]

sometimes teenagers can learn a lot from older men

The Neverland Ranch, outside Los Olivos, California, is a two-and-a-half-hour drive from Bryant's home in Pacific Palisades through rolling hills and canyons. Bryant misjudges the distance, arriving nearly out of gas. Not to worry, Jackson says, you can fill up at my private gas station. A 2,700-acre cornucopia of childlike delights, Neverland also boasts an amusement park with a Ferris wheel, a roller coaster, a petting zoo housing a llama, orangutans, an elephant and giraffes, and a steam engine named after Michael Jackson's mother, Katherine.

Inside the French Normandy residence, the two men share a meal of marinated chicken and organic vegetables."He told me, 'This is what you love. This is your obsession,'" Bryant recalls. "He said, 'I know what it's like to be different. Embrace it.'"

After dinner, Jackson presents Bryant with a gift, a copy of Jonathan Livingston Seagull, a novella about an outcast bird who's unwilling to conform. Then they drive half a mile to Jackson's private 5,500-square-foot theater, adorned with billboards for old films, a flowing fountain and a concession stand stocked with boxed treats and cotton candy.

The theater has a state-of-the-art sound system, plush velvet seats and trapdoors for magic shows. Bryant has never heard of Grace Kelly, Fred Astaire or Ginger Rogers, but during a private film showing of their work, Michael explains how they were the inspiration for Jackson's 1988 "Smooth Criminal" music video and describes the lineage of his music, breaking down songs note by note, taking Bryant through the process of recording "Billie Jean." Jackson tells Kobe that he is transfixed by the success of the Beatles, that he initiated friendships with Paul McCartney and Yoko Ono just to learn more. Your curiosity is your greatest gift, Jackson says. Use it to expand your scope. Ordinary people won't understand your insatiable thirst for excellence. They won't bother to keep striving because it's too onerous, too difficult.

"You've got to study all the greats," Jackson tells Kobe. "You've got to learn what made them successful and what made them unsuccessful."

As Bryant drives home through Santa Barbara County -- a full tank of Neverland gas in his car -- his front seat is cluttered with copies of classic movies Jackson has given him: An American in Paris, Singing in the Rain, Farewell My Concubine. It's Kobe's homework, along with an additional reading assignment: Napoleon Hill's Success Through a Positive Mental Attitude.

[Mandark]

Mandark, would you let your 12 year old self be fondled by MJ for 20 million?

Serious question.

I didn't know that about you.

[naff]

S2 of Insecure was great.

Has a bit of a daytime tv soap feel at times, especially in that everyone is overly manicured and fit. But it's funny, and self-aware. Cool sexy show. So many positive vibes. I love overcoming negative shit and restoring broken relationships. <3

[Borealis]

The new AD season (half season?) is boring and generic as hell. Some good lines here and there but the delivery is off and the editing in this one really sucks. I saw some merit in S4 at the time, don't really here. Will probably finish the second half when it comes out, but not expecting much.

Yet another good thing where they should have left well enough alone.

I've recently finished S3 and just begun S4's remix, I'm not sure if I should continue with the revival. Everyone in ep1 feels a bit exhausted, the jokes are sorta there, and some of the green screen moments just destroy the vibe.

Worth getting through?

[chronovore]

someone help me here...

why is Thomas Janes' character obsessed with this bitch he never met? I'm halfway through season 2 of the Expanse  and he's still hung up on this dead bitch. Did i miss something ? Or are they simply pandering to weirdo nerds that obsess over women that never knew they existed?

He's a broken human being with a fucked up moral compass. It's noir. It's beautiful and if you don't understand it, you need more whisky.

[chronovore]

wrong thread you stupid bitch

Could you please try to be less of a cheesedick fuckbag? PLONK

I’ve been binging Supernatural because it’s supposed to be really good and I like the Dean/Sam bromance. Up to season 4, episode 12 so I finally got past the monster of the week garbage and into the heaven/hell with angels parts and it’s gotten more fun.

Started Gotham too but am only watching that with the girlfriend. Read that season 1 is slow and bleh but 2-current are a blast. I like the Penguin because he’s like the original and the one they used in the TellTale game.

Also I’m probably a terrible human being but I’m getting her into Lost and we’re at season 1’s finale.

Supernatural has a great arc that ends with s5 and is the perfect place to end your engagement with the series. I urge you to watch through the end of s5 and leave it alone after that.

[Stoney Mason]

I'm watching the new Arrested Development season and it feels somehow more off than the 4th season. It's missing the rapid fire comedy and editing that made the original run a favorite of mine.

I was hoping you were wrong. I was hoping I would come back to the thread and say how much I disagree with you.

But nope you are right.

They needed to do a time jump and come up with a new story instead of basically continuing on from Season 4. This is the least funny season of the show so far. Season 4 was certainly problematic but there were still good gags in it. In 5 episodes, I don't think I've seen an especially clever joke yet which is awful for arrested development. The pacing is too slow again like season 4 but again less funny so it hurts even more. The characters don't make sense to me anymore. Like the relationship between George Michael and Michael is baffling to me. None of it makes a lick of sense. The characters are unmotivated and unlikeable which is a weird thing to say about Arrested Development, but its what I feel for like the first time ever. The writing simply can't match the past ambitions of the show. If this was the beginning point of a new show, nobody would fall in love with this material like they did the old show.

[Tasty]

Season 4 is way better than s5 so far. Either version.

I agree they needed a timeskip. It's like they can't decide whether to continue from s4 (Lucille 2 stuff, Tony Wonder, etc.) or make a clean break/retcon (George Michael punching Michael, all of Maebe/Lindsay/Buster s4 plotlines, etc.)

[Tasty]

They need to bring Charlize back for like a three-episode arc. Something like Julia Louis-Dreyfus in s2.

[Stoney Mason]

The show feels like everybody's 2nd or 3rd job instead of the main thing they focus on. Writers, Producers, Actors, etc. The original show never had a wasted moment that wasn't packed with a jack or a setup for a joke.

Now the show just meanders and scenes just always linger as if its trying to let the actors improvise or something.

[team filler]

been slowly rewatching season 1 of expanse, so good brehs 

[Madrun Badrun]

Kimmy Schmidt season 4 is out

'We meet having sex at a vodka launch party' 

[Madrun Badrun]

episode 3

[Madrun Badrun]

OMG the footage is real too

[Madrun Badrun]

Episode 5 is great too

[Madrun Badrun]

wtf its only 6 episodes

[Stoney Mason]

It's split in half. Netflix did the same with Arrested Development Season 5.

[Stoney Mason]

Finished up the last few episodes of AD season 5. Unfortunately it didn't get any better for me. It just feels like a show that is passing its relevance and acceptable quality point. We'll see if the 2nd half is any better when that comes.

Also watched the 1st half season of Unbreakable Kimmy this season. It was okay. Not my favorite half a season but episode 3 was pretty damn amazing and as good as anything they've ever done.

[CatsCatsCats]

Not understanding the negativity towards AD S5, a few episodes in and laughin 🤷‍♀️

[Stoney Mason]

Not understanding the negativity towards AD S5, a few episodes in and laughin 🤷‍♀️

That's cool. We all got different opinions. It just wasn't for me.

[CatsCatsCats]

Didn’t mean to single you out, seems like most people are lukewarm on it at best

[Stoney Mason]

I'll watch the episodes again right before the 2nd half of the season airs to see if I'm being overly harsh.

I will say that Season 5 makes me respect Season 4 more though I still have issues with Season 4.

AD at this point just feels like when you get a reunion album from your favorite band from your formative music age. Like I really want to like it. And I can almost trick myself mentally into liking it. But I actually don't really like it that much.

When I watch AD season 1-3 even now, no matter how many times I've seen those episodes, my eyes and brain are fixated on the screen the entire time. When I watch season, 4 and 5, my mind wanders like a motherfucker and after an episode I often realize I tuned out during large portions of it.

The original one was a wacky smart comedy. Season 4 and 5 feel like a mix of a comedy and a drama. And I just don't think they execute that super well.

[Great Rumbler]

First two episodes of AD season 5 were really not good, this weird situation where they simultaneously had too much [constantly jumping between 5-6 different groups of characters without much setup] and too little [individual scenes felt like they dragged on for way too long]. And with all the characters split up, there's just wasn't a lot of really good interactions where they all play off of each other. They also spent too much time recapping stuff from season 4, that nobody really cared much about the first time around. At least episode 3 picked up a bit by bringing the characters back from Mexico and putting them together again.

[Tasty]

The problem with eps 1 and 2 is there's just so much recapping shit from s4. That's really what kills it.

[Crash Dummy]

finished ozark. i wish it focused a lot more on the financial/laundering aspect and not try be a drama so much since the characters are all two dimensional stereotypes. cool to see jason bateman direct though

[Transhuman]

Killing Eve is possibly the funniest show on television. Way funnier than Barry.

[benjipwns]

tiny props to Fox for changing their mind and airing the two leftover Lucifer episodes after all despite cancelling it and them both being standalones built entirely around the characters (which is why they were being held over for a fourth season if that were to occur)

an Ella episode that's also big on the mythology

and oh man at Neil Gaiman as God narrating that alternate universe episode that serves as an unintentional series finale :'( :'( dem feels for a dumb silly show

"smell ya later Lucifer"

[Mupepe]

MJ is sort of the opposite of Bill Cosby, in that the factual case against him was much, much weaker but his public persona was weird enough by that point that a lot of people were ready to believe it.

The evidence in both cases were extremely weak. Then there’s a lot of other things like actions and statements by the accusers and witnesses that make both sound like a cash grab by different folks. Most arguments against Michael boil down to “yeah but he did and owned some really weird shit, right???”

[benjipwns]

Jackson probably did a lot of self harm to his image by what he kept totally private (with lots of it, like that Kobe story, not coming out for almost a decade after his death...Jackson's, not Kobe's) and then the stuff he would do so openly in public

though the biggest piece of evidence calling into question Jackson's behavior and parenting was the article i saw about how the once "Blanket" is apparently a big Marvel fanboy, if only someone had done something

[Transhuman]

The way Killing Eve jumps between slapstick comedy, psychological sexual violence (my favourite type of violence, btw) and drama is really something. It reminds me of the mood-blending in South Korean films like The Host, where the comedy aspect doesn't detract from the drama.

[VomKriege]

Kimmy Schmidt S4 is great.
White talent

[Tasty]

GOB: Um, hey how would you like me in a double-closet sexuality-switch two-hander float illusion. No credit, no money. Oh and you turn gay.

Michael: I'll pass.

GOB: Yeah, that's what I thought of you.

Michael:

[seagrams hotsauce]

lmao @ the big westworld reveal that it very obviously telegraphed from the first episode of the season. yawn

[seagrams hotsauce]

holy shit I didn't think this show could get dumber but lo and fucking behold lmao

[Tasty]

I actually thought this was the best ep of the season lol. Actually explained some shit, Valkyrie from Thor 3 got BTFO up finally after acting so smug all the time, and I just dig Anthony Hopkins and think the show isn't the same without him. Plus that awesome cheesy massacre scene.

[seagrams hotsauce]

i dunno i thought the action scenes were somehow ever worse than the Nu Batman samurai scene from last week since they were all ensconced in super dark lighting this time in addition to the signature 1000 Nolan Cuts Per Shot™. it was cool for the four seconds that I thought they iced billy (LMAO jk he's completely fine??? after getting shot like six times what the fuck? lol) but i can't express how bored i am with the Ford narrative/Delores storyline that took this whole episode to finally say what direction it's going in.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I still can't/don't believe the reveal is the true endgame. If that's really what this shit is selling I'm out. blackmailing/replicating users based on their behavior inside the park is so fucking low stakes and boring and makes absolutely no sense given the context and scale of Delos' implied reach and ability

[close]

[seagrams hotsauce]

I will concede you're right that it's the best ep so far tho, and it did explain plenty, but it did so by having Ford clearly explain a ton of shit that was implied in previous episodes to Bernard. I guess it's cool that they cleared up the flashback from the top of the last episode? I dunno maybe it'll all tie together in the last three but this show feels like a sham

[zomgee]

Silicon Valley actually moved forward a bit this year. The finale was quite good.

[D3RANG3D]

S4 of iZombie is up on netflix.

[CatsCatsCats]

Killing Eve is possibly the funniest show on television. Way funnier than Barry.

Just started this, it’s good so far 👍🏻

[Transhuman]

Killing Eve is possibly the funniest show on television. Way funnier than Barry.

Just started this, it’s good so far 👍🏻

It gets so good, especially towards the end.

Soundtrack is killer too.

[Madrun Badrun]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KsnS86z64mXGV9zW_VLbQcgAmsECRIx2/view

taskmaster is so good

[Crash Dummy]

rewatching arrested development from the beginning for the second time ever, although i'm now nervous about the new season based on comments above