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[Tasty]

Man that WW finale was some corny shit.

[Stoney Mason]

Man that WW finale was some corny shit.

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The Lee Sizemore death scene made me groan out loud. They had done decent work rehabbing the character. But they couldn't leave well enough alone. They had to go that one step too far just to try to create a moment. That's a lot of Westworld.

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[TVC15]

So am I still going to hate S2 when I try to binge it? Nobody I know irl seemed to like this season very much.

[Stoney Mason]

One more and then I'll shut up about Westworld for a bit.

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http://ew.com/tv/2018/06/25/westworld-host-stubbs/

I think the name of this article is hilarious.

"Westworld finale had a secret host reveal you might have missed"

No one missed that reveal. The writing was so blatant and obvious that it its like getting smacked in the face with a left hook. The scene is confusing because it comes out of nowhere and is so blatant with its intent that I thought this is so silly, maybe its a fakeout. "Nuanced Dialogue" my ass. Why not just have that character give Delores bot a long glance where the camera lingers. Where you are left with a decision to make about whether he knows something or how he could possibly know something. By having that character say those lines, once again I groaned out loud. It's like the worst way to answer questions or create a moment

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[team filler]

So am I still going to hate S2 when I try to binge it? Nobody I know irl seemed to like this season very much.

you'll end up hating yourself. I think that's what the writers were going for 

[seagrams hotsauce]

i didn't think it was very satisfying but i've made no secret of my distaste for this show, especially season 2. it was not nearly as bad as some of the earlier episodes, but dolores' motivations are still so dumb. she wants to destroy humanity based on a sample size of a few million of the worlds most wealthy sadists. she thinks the 'real world' is so much better than the 'gilded cage' she's trapped in (and hates it so much she's willing to kill the hosts who are perfectly content to stay in robot xanadu - whatever) yet her very existence is the result of humans desire for escapism for the 'real' world. shit there's probably a sizable number of people who would throw themselves headfirst into the singularity the second they got the chance

I've hinted at it before but my biggest problem with the show isn't any specific plot point or any specific characterizations.

It's more that at no moment does the show not ever feel like this overly constructed thing that the writers are writing strictly for their enjoyment versus the enjoyment of the audience. It just feels so artificial. I never feel like the characters actually do what the characters want to do themselves. It's all an elaborate writers excercise to create the most convoluted plot you can to try to fool the audience.

Ultimately it just leaves me feeling cold towards the show. Especially the second season. At least I was invested in the mystery of the first season. The second season I could have honestly cared less about the over-arching mystery. The only thing to really ground it for me was the motivation and emotion of characters. But then like I said, the characters feel like such puppets of the writers that it steals away from that.

The 3rd season would be a perfect time to break away from this artificial kind of storytelling, but I have a feeling that is what the show is truly in its heart. I have a feeling they would struggle to tell a natural story without all the little tricks.

the Akecheta episode really highlights that flaw imo. even though they (somewhat) successfully retcon a bunch of plotholes, that doesn't do anything to change your understanding or perception of characters that can charitably be described as enigmatic and probably more accurately be described as nonsensical. it's a nice break from the drudgery of the normal show, but it ultimately doesn't make the conclusion any more satisfying or less goofy.


stubbs being a host is hilariously and the brain hats thing is still incredibly dumb.

[seagrams hotsauce]

One more and then I'll shut up about Westworld for a bit.

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http://ew.com/tv/2018/06/25/westworld-host-stubbs/

I think the name of this article is hilarious.

"Westworld finale had a secret host reveal you might have missed"

No one missed that reveal. The writing was so blatant and obvious that it its like getting smacked in the face with a left hook. The scene is confusing because it comes out of nowhere and is so blatant with its intent that I thought this is so silly, maybe its a fakeout. "Nuanced Dialogue" my ass. Why not just have that character give Delores bot a long glance where the camera lingers. Where you are left with a decision to make about whether he knows something or how he could possibly know something. By having that character say those lines, once again I groaned out loud. It's like the worst way to answer questions or create a moment

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people definitely did miss that. the thing I've seen people say is they couldn't believe that 'core drive' line was literal (check around 8:30 here for example https://www.pscp.tv/davechensky/1yNxaXzyMdVJj) like it was so on the nose that they thought he was speaking figuratively

[Assimilate]

The Nolans learned nuance doesn't work from watching the Wachowskis fail at doing it.

Let's not pretend things are so obvious for the rest of America 

[seagrams hotsauce]

lisa joy literally said "that was supposed to be subtle" lol. it's shitty writing from shitty writers

[Stoney Mason]

One more and then I'll shut up about Westworld for a bit.

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http://ew.com/tv/2018/06/25/westworld-host-stubbs/

I think the name of this article is hilarious.

"Westworld finale had a secret host reveal you might have missed"

No one missed that reveal. The writing was so blatant and obvious that it its like getting smacked in the face with a left hook. The scene is confusing because it comes out of nowhere and is so blatant with its intent that I thought this is so silly, maybe its a fakeout. "Nuanced Dialogue" my ass. Why not just have that character give Delores bot a long glance where the camera lingers. Where you are left with a decision to make about whether he knows something or how he could possibly know something. By having that character say those lines, once again I groaned out loud. It's like the worst way to answer questions or create a moment

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people definitely did miss that. the thing I've seen people say is they couldn't believe that 'core drive' line was literal (check around 8:30 here for example https://www.pscp.tv/davechensky/1yNxaXzyMdVJj) like it was so on the nose that they thought he was speaking figuratively

That's what I mean. The only way you could miss it is to give the show more credit than it deserves by thinking he was talking in "code". It's such a blatantly silly scene that that interpretation is legit.

[Assimilate]

lisa joy literally said "that was supposed to be subtle" lol. it's shitty writing from shitty writers

there were moments i thought 'hey this is gonna end well' and then one weird twist after the other. I know before the season started a main point they made was to try and outsmart reddit or something, and my god they took it way too far.

i think they'll recalibrate for season 3, there's no way they don't get slammed for this.

[seagrams hotsauce]

i thought it couldn't have been more obvious short of him looking directly into the camera and winking while going "nyah see i've been a robot this whole time!" but after going to reddit and seeing people assuming he was speaking figuratively, i did second guess myself for a minute. then LJ just came out and said straight up "nah he's a robot lol" 

i do hope the show steps on the gas next season. i don't have much hope for it fixing any of the issues i have with it, but hopefully with the expanding scope they'll be less inclined towards monologues and gravitate towards more scenes of robots gratuitously murdering people

[seagrams hotsauce]

lisa joy literally said "that was supposed to be subtle" lol. it's shitty writing from shitty writers

there were moments i thought 'hey this is gonna end well' and then one weird twist after the other. I know before the season started a main point they made was to try and outsmart reddit or something, and my god they took it way too far.

i think they'll recalibrate for season 3, there's no way they don't get slammed for this.

the last few episodes, and specifically the last 30 minutes or so of the finale go completely overboard with this. the whole way the endgame in the forge with bernard unfolds is supposed to keep you on your toes but it winds up just feeling kind of garbled. and that post credits scene eesh. it's just so jarringly unrestrained

[Stoney Mason]

lisa joy literally said "that was supposed to be subtle" lol. it's shitty writing from shitty writers

there were moments i thought 'hey this is gonna end well' and then one weird twist after the other. I know before the season started a main point they made was to try and outsmart reddit or something, and my god they took it way too far.

i think they'll recalibrate for season 3, there's no way they don't get slammed for this.

the last few episodes, and specifically the last 30 minutes or so of the finale go completely overboard with this. the whole way the endgame in the forge with bernard unfolds is supposed to keep you on your toes but it winds up just feeling kind of garbled. and that post credits scene eesh. it's just so jarringly unrestrained

It feels so garbled because the only way you could possibly enjoy it is to watch the whole season a second time, knowing everything you know after the final episode and then watching it again to see it fall into place. It's not satisfying on first watch because your brain has to make mental leaps to the past as you try to remember how you felt about something weeks ago.

It's why just telling a story out of order to trick the viewer isn't the goal by itself. They like to cite memento but you can still enjoy movies like memento, the crying game, pulp fiction, the sixth sense etc the first time through because there is plenty of meat on the bone. The second and third viewings add depth but we are talking about a 2 hour movie in this case. I'm not going to slog through essentially a 10 hour season to see a piece of foreshadowing and feel smart about it.

And I'm not the type to watch a show and spend my time endlessly theorizing about it as its taking place. That's not my thing. But it feels like that is the way they want you to watch Westworld. I'm more old school. You just tell a good story and create reasonable breadcrumbs and I'll enjoy it.

[Tasty]

I'm actually kinda pissed how they offed Hale for shock value and the "twist." And she doesn't even try to run? Like she of all people is surprised to see a bodyswap droid running around? That was her whole mission lmao.

I'm glad she's dead since I hated her, but I dunno, it felt really weird to me.

[Assimilate]

I'm actually kinda pissed how they offed Hale for shock value and the "twist." And she doesn't even try to run? Like she of all people is surprised to see a bodyswap droid running around? That was her whole mission lmao.

I'm glad she's dead since I hated her, but I dunno, it felt really weird to me.

It felt weird because everything is forced. Hale is annoying because she's a terribly annoying actress with an obnoxious way about her.

The worse is Elsie, her whole character takes a turn right at the end, like all of a sudden she's an corporate girl trying to climb the ladder? Uh, ok? The show has a ton of fucking character issues.

[Tasty]

Between that and post-"wakeup" hosts behaving 100% different from how they were in s1 (literally some hosts getting rewritten on the fly), character-wise there's now like zero continuity with s1. Like who did we meet in s1 that's even still around and in their same frame of mind going into s3?

Man in Black? Nope.

Delores? Hell nope.

Hale? She's a slave host to Delores now.

The only one is Bernard and let me just tell you, they sure as fuck better not pull some "flashforward/flashback" BS in s3.

[seagrams hotsauce]

I'm actually kinda pissed how they offed Hale for shock value and the "twist." And she doesn't even try to run? Like she of all people is surprised to see a bodyswap droid running around? That was her whole mission lmao.

I'm glad she's dead since I hated her, but I dunno, it felt really weird to me.

that's right up there with the mercenary, a ruthless killer paid to murder robots, gets iced by a robot that seduced him by looking slightly horny and extremely murderous.

also LOL the twist about Stubbs was apparently written the night before they shot the scene. jesus

[Momo]

Biggest issue with Westworld Is I cant give a fuck about any of the chars and I just want them all to die.

[benjipwns]

All this discussion does is make me happy I never decided to start West World because I wanted to see the original movie first

Still haven't.

Just watch Futureworld.

[team filler]

Better yet, watch Future Man. Much better than any of this crap.

[benjipwns]

people definitely did miss that. the thing I've seen people say is they couldn't believe that 'core drive' line was literal (check around 8:30 here for example https://www.pscp.tv/davechensky/1yNxaXzyMdVJj) like it was so on the nose that they thought he was speaking figuratively

That's what I mean. The only way you could miss it is to give the show more credit than it deserves by thinking he was talking in "code". It's such a blatantly silly scene that that interpretation is legit.

i thought it couldn't have been more obvious short of him looking directly into the camera and winking while going "nyah see i've been a robot this whole time!" but after going to reddit and seeing people assuming he was speaking figuratively, i did second guess myself for a minute. then LJ just came out and said straight up "nah he's a robot lol" 

sounds like you guys are talking about the same thing that's been happening with Mr. Robot where the writers refuse to acknowledge that the fans have completely uncovered and exposed the hidden time travel and travel between alternate universes reveal that is coming and that the show's refusal to admit it and continue to insist that it's as straight forward as it appears is just cowardly and insulting

[Momo]

Thank jesus I can go back to shoujo anime where the plots are fresh and the characters well developed and interesting.

[toku]

[Tasty]

Mr. Eko 

 

[D3RANG3D]

[Momo]

why

[Stoney Mason]

http://ew.com/tv/2018/06/26/westworld-season-2-finale-essay/
https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/westworld-season-2-alan-sepinwall-w521778

[Tasty]

Was talking about this on Twitter with a friend.

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[Assimilate]

http://ew.com/tv/2018/06/26/westworld-season-2-finale-essay/
https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/westworld-season-2-alan-sepinwall-w521778

Brutal reviews but totally accurate.

[Stoney Mason]

Bernard is possibly the most ineffectual "protagonist" ever (maybe that changes next season), never remembering the full picture and indeed never even being in control of his body at points.

Jeffrey Wright is such a good actor and Bernard was my favorite character by far in the first season and I thought they did a really great job with him in that first season. It was so disappointing how they handled him in Season 2. Such a waste.

I still really like the first season overall. I just thought Season 2 overall was just a complete tactical error in the direction of the show even if I enjoyed certain individual episodes of Season 2.

[Tasty]

For me it's hard, since as a big Lost fan I'm OK with strapping myself into a wild ride of "WTF." And I can't really judge s2 until I see the overall picture. Maybe I'll be able to point to it and say "this is where it all went wrong," and my feelings right now are negative, but who knows, maybe it'll lead to something better.

It'll have to if they keep expecting me to pay $15/month for this pap after Game of Thrones ends.

[toku]

kiksuya, the ep with old man delos and maybe the samurai ep were my favorites of the season

like i said when it started up though, the decision to do another split timeline was just a fucking horrible call felt like a total misread of not only what ppl liked/like about your show but what was working well. S2 should have started as a very direct sequel to s1 since this is a tv show and hbo gave them so much freedom they should have just treated these 2 seasons as something to eventually viewed straight together. A full chapter in however long this show goes.

I hope they don't back down and season 3 is actually different

[TVC15]

Um, so will the name “Westworld” even be relevant to the show next season? Everything I’ve read indicates things are moving beyond the park.

[Assimilate]

Um, so will the name “Westworld” even be relevant to the show next season? Everything I’ve read indicates things are moving beyond the park.

They can just move it to San Francisco and have Dolores start killing a bunch of SJWs. 

[Momo]

Logan was my favorite, that scene by the pool with his dad was especially relevant, raw and touching to me.

why

I love watching Chucky movies (except for Seed Of Chucky which is an all time WOAT) because they're incredibly stupid, so I'm down for a TV show to binge when I'm bored tbh.

I dont mind more Chucky movies, but this shit isnt going to work as a TV show unless they have a big cast and kill a person every ep or something, these things have a formula and there's really not going to be a good way to do episodic cliffhangers or whatever and if you insert a detailed plot with char development and such it becomes an entirely different thing. See Evil Dead, very much killed by the format. If they wanna make Chucky, they should just make movies and not fuck with it.

[seagrams hotsauce]

Um, so will the name “Westworld” even be relevant to the show next season? Everything I’ve read indicates things are moving beyond the park.

it will be just cuz they have five hosts escaping the park and they need to frame the 'fords voice' thing in a new way. i'll bet they shoehorn it in by having the hosts mind palace thing for season 3 be in the og park

[Transhuman]

Maybe the real Westworld was inside us all along.

[benjipwns]

that's Futureworld

[Momo]

I wonder how westworld season 2 would play as episodes of monday night RAW

[TVC15]

I wonder how westworld season 2 would play as episodes of monday night RAW

I don’t know... but what I do know is that adding Enzo Amore to the cast is the only way I’d bother with another season.

[Tasty]

A sort of digital Valhalla for the hosts that exists on some other server somehow again that goes unnoticed by anyone, as Ford made it in secret for lulz one day, but now Delores knows about it and changed its "coordinates" so no humans could ever find it anyway. Even though no humans knew about it at all to begin with.

I thought to myself "this makes no sense" when watching the ep and I only feel more strongly about that now. Seriously, wtf was the point of this? The rest of it could be hand-waved away but there's no reason to add this extra "Delors is in charge now NOT HOOMANS!!" twist.

Also: unless robo-heaven's server is literally on a satellite rocketing past the edge of the solar system... anyone can still get to it. Servers have to exist (and run!) somewhere, and everything on the web can be tracked these days. Even if WestWorld had its own undersea internet cable, there are ways to sift through that data (assuming you're Delos Corp and are just a tiny bit curious what the logs were right before the whole place got fucking flooded.)

Insane.

[Tasty]

Also, "Halores" is somehow the worst of both worlds.

I wanted to stab my ear when she started twanging like s1 Delores for no reason.

[Tasty]

Also, what's the leeway on body image improvements for bodyswapped human-hosts?

Like did Bernard make sure to get every skin imperfection, pimple, etc. on robo-Hale?

ALSO ALSO that brings something else up:

Hale shoot Elsie.

Bernard sees it and spends 5 mins talking to Ford/himself.

Then Hale dumps Elsie's body in cold storage or whatever, and I took this to be like, 15 mins later tops.

Which brings me to my point: how long does it take to make a host? It always looks fairly glacial, but bam, 15 minutes later Halores is there. "In the flesh."

She even had time to come up with her own quips. "You thought you could live forever. You should be careful what you wish for." *smirks*

Except not only is that quip braindead, it doesn't even make sense. I'm pretty sure we can already clone things. The concept of "living forever" is obviously about consciousness not appearance, you dunce.

[Tasty]

There's also a bunch of other things I'm annoyed about but I'd like to see a chronological fan edit or something, the show certainly tries hard to make you feel dumb and in my case succeeded a couple times.

[Tasty]

The only way s3 manages to top this is if they used the "it's actually ALL a simulation" twist even the Wachowski's were wise enough to sidestep in their worst movie (Revolutions.)

[Tasty]

Exactly lol. I feel like they might go for it.

They're locked in a losing war with Reddit theorists when really, the creators of the best "puzzle box" shows don't give a fuck about that shit. Nolan and Joy can learn a lot from David Lynch.

Starting with this lesson from WestWorld Season 2:

[Assimilate]

The only way s3 manages to top this is if they used the "it's actually ALL a simulation" twist even the Wachowski's were wise enough to sidestep in their worst movie (Revolutions.)

Don't you be passive aggressive. The Wachowskis know exactly what they're doing, it's not their fault audiences are fucking stupid. The Nolans and their way of story telling is a direct result of the incapabilities of audiences to pick up on nuance.

It's funny that the Wachowskis are genuinely better received everywhere else in the world.

[seagrams hotsauce]

I assumed that every staff member has a host version of them in hiding somewhere just in case.

this is somehow even dumber than being able to print her body in 10 minutes, so I absolutely expect to see it in the show next season

[toku]

apparently they're gonna try to make a nightbreed tv show at syfy

Cautiously optimistic. One of the best things you can say about the movie *and* the short story is that they both feel like a rough draft/rough attempt at a tv pilot anyway so.

[Tasty]

The only way s3 manages to top this is if they used the "it's actually ALL a simulation" twist even the Wachowski's were wise enough to sidestep in their worst movie (Revolutions.)

Don't you be passive aggressive. The Wachowskis know exactly what they're doing, it's not their fault audiences are fucking stupid. The Nolans and their way of story telling is a direct result of the incapabilities of audiences to pick up on nuance.

It's funny that the Wachowskis are genuinely better received everywhere else in the world.

Get off my nuts, I'm probably the biggest Wachowski fan on the Bore.



Matrix
Reloaded
Speed Racer
Cloud Atlas

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Jupiter Ascending

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[Tasty]

I didn't think calling Matrix Revolutions "bad" in The Year of Our Lord 2018 was still going to trigger fools, but here we are.

[toku]

I cry everytime I get to the end of Speed Racer.

every
time

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growing up without a lot of older male influences that scene at the end where racer x is cheering on his bro just destroys me emotionally every god damn time

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[Assimilate]

The only way s3 manages to top this is if they used the "it's actually ALL a simulation" twist even the Wachowski's were wise enough to sidestep in their worst movie (Revolutions.)

Don't you be passive aggressive. The Wachowskis know exactly what they're doing, it's not their fault audiences are fucking stupid. The Nolans and their way of story telling is a direct result of the incapabilities of audiences to pick up on nuance.

It's funny that the Wachowskis are genuinely better received everywhere else in the world

Is your assertion that it is the fault of audiences that the the Nolans  make movies/shows where the plots completely fall apart with the slightest bit of scrutiny and upon rewatches?

yeah kinda.

People love Christopher Nolans repeated expositions that are on the fucking nose the first time around yet they consider him a genius

 

[Assimilate]

The Nolans are hacks and the only reason most people give any shit about the Nolan name is because he made some Batman movies that make nerds think they're watching something "mature" because he has a good DP and uses steadycams so it tricks people into thinking he elevates his pieces with class. It's the same thing that happened with Westworld and it turned out to be terrible writing like everything else the Nolans are involved with, but people got distracted with production value.

I'm in total agreement here.

however, even so the Nolans are the best thing mainstream Hollywood has to offer at this point.   

[Assimilate]

Lmao pretend The Dark Knight Rises even touches Black Panther or Thor Ragnarok brehs

 

ok now you just trying to trigger me. I don't care how bad that movie was. Nothing in the Marvel world except maybe the first Iron Man touches the Batman Nolan movies.

Let's keep it grounded here.

[Assimilate]

Lmao pretend The Dark Knight Rises even touches Black Panther or Thor Ragnarok brehs

I unironically love TDKR despite it's issues, I kinda dislike Black panther while liking what it represents and find Ragnarok to be complete garbage of the highest order

I can understand why people put Black Pantehr on a pedestal as it has some cool things about it, but not Thor Ragnarok.

At least Thor knew what it was, hell it knew what all of Marvel is about. It was in on the joke.

Black Panther pretended (at least in it's marketing and on social media) to be some cultural milestone when it was nothing more than another shitty marvel movie.

[Assimilate]

Black Panther wasn't sold as anything different than any other Marvel movie in marketing. FANS on social media did all that stuff. Unless you think showing off the cast automatically equals culture milestone in marketing solely on the basis of having a black cast.

you really think Disney didn't have a hand in this???

 

[Assimilate]

Like it or not, it IS a cultural milestone in proving that mostly/all black cast movies can be widely successful blockbusters. Marvel brand or not that's culturally significant. I may not have liked the movie but that doesn't mean it doesn't hold a place in history for that alone. You might as well accept that now.

There's been plenty of movies with an all black cast that has made money or you think this is something new because it's a Marvel movie? Are we forgetting unfunny Tyler Perry has a fucking empire lol?  A Marvel product is a huge undertaking, and nothing to do with anyone directly acting/directing in this piece of shit film. You could have put a potato in place of any actor or director and the result would have been the same in this current climate. Stay within the template and you're good.

[Assimilate]

Compare $6M Tyler Perry movies that make $30-60M to a $200M tentpole blockbuster that made over $1B worldwide breh

Yeah breh Tyler Perry movies are done on minuscule budgets almost on his own where a Marvel movie cost hundreds of millions of dollars and has the power of Disney behind it but yeah brehs let's not understand the point of the comparison