Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads

[Momo]

I'd rather drink boiling hair gel than read current spiderman.

[gfm793]

The X-books have slightly improved but will continue to be shit as long as there are child X-men running around.

I actually like the Inhumans more than I thought I would. Reader is pretty cool actually.

Yeah but none ofthe current books are as good as Bunn's Uncanny X-men from pre-IvX.

[Tasty]

DC turning future Tim into murder-happy Batman is no bueno.

Even though I do like this crossover.

[benjipwns]

When Tom King leaves I'm going to be sad:

[bork]

Dan Slott announced he's leaving Spider-Man.  #800 will be his last issue.  The last big new thing he's going to introduce is a 'new' character called The Red Goblin. 

[Momo]

Please let someone who's actually invested in making a great Spiderman take over

[kingv]

There have always been X-kids running around. 

I mean child and adult versions of the same character. That was a dumb storyline. And remains dumb. And the child version of all of the characters pretty much suck except for maybe Jean, who is sort of interesting because the adult one is dead. Also they all have Bendisy dialogue.

While I thin slott has made some bad moves on Spider-Man, I think I’ll still be somewhat sad to see him go, mostly because I suspect that it will be years before the book gets a stable creative team again. For the most part I like Slotts individual storylines but I hate how he has mucked with the status quo over the years.

The idea that spider man should be single was based on the idea that it was somehow holding his story back, but I just don’t see that looking back. Besides tge introduction of Carlie, who I think might be dead since she hasn’t been in an ASM book since before secret wars, the only other thing that being single allowed Spidey to do was fuck a midget.

[bork]

There have always been X-kids running around. 

I mean child and adult versions of the same character. That was a dumb storyline. And remains dumb. And the child version of all of the characters pretty much suck except for maybe Jean, who is sort of interesting because the adult one is dead. Also they all have Bendisy dialogue.

It's been a while since things have been like that.  At this point the characters are different enough anyway, except for Cyclops, but it doesn't really matter since adult Cyclops is dead.  Angel and Beast are pretty different from their adult counterparts.  It's Iceman who is pretty much the same to me.  Making him gay doesn't really change anything.  Then you have Jimmy Hudson and Bloodstorm on the team, plus Magneto and Polaris as mentors.  The story is kind of becoming more like a new Exiles now- They just had a crossover with the other X-Men team where they were in Mojoworld and now they're traveling through time and were in an altered 2099 time last issue.

While I thin slott has made some bad moves on Spider-Man, I think I’ll still be somewhat sad to see him go, mostly because I suspect that it will be years before the book gets a stable creative team again. For the most part I like Slotts individual storylines but I hate how he has mucked with the status quo over the years.

I came in a late to Slott's run and I think I missed at least 80-something issues that he wrote.  Maybe I should go back and read them sometime.  But I largely enjoyed the 100+ issues I've read of his run and liked how he did some crazy shit with the character.

The idea that spider man should be single was based on the idea that it was somehow holding his story back, but I just don’t see that looking back. Besides tge introduction of Carlie, who I think might be dead since she hasn’t been in an ASM book since before secret wars, the only other thing that being single allowed Spidey to do was fuck a midget.

 

Not even him...that was Doc Ock in his body.  He's dating Mockingbird now.  I think Carlie is still around but hasn't been featured in the books in a long time.  I wish they'd just get him back together with Mary Jane and was actually hoping that Secret Wars would have ended with things like One More Day being erased (and the original X-Men going back to their time, among other things).  Instead we just got a book based on the alternate universe Spidey/MJ/their kid trio.

[kingv]

I only read Marvel on unlimited, so I’m always 6 months behind the real books, I think they are just starting the mockingbird/Spider dynamic.

The changes to the x-kids seem interesting. I liked exiles, and wouldn’t mind a spiritual successor.

I agree about Secret Wars. IMO, Marvel really dropped the ball on that. They really could have used it to make some really interesting status quo shifts, but didn’t.

Was it ever explained why some of the axis reversed characters are back to normal and some aren’t? Iirc, superior iron man was still evil when the worlds collided. But then after Secret Wars he’s just back to normal... but saber tooth is still good? Shit doesn’t even make sense using comic book logic.

Agreed re: Mary Jane. The worst thing about one more day is that it makes Mary Jane an afterthought. There’s really no reason for her to even be in Marvel, really.

[Momo]

Dark Knights Metal #4

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I am Daniel - Castlevania reject 
KENDRA BECAME FEMTO   
CARTER BECAME A METAL VERSION OF VIRGIL FROM MIGHTY MAX   

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I fucking love this dumb shit

[Tasty]

Dark Nights has been fun for sure.

[Tasty]

Also Sandman/Daniel is a Neil Gaiman thing from like 1987.

[benjipwns]

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I am Daniel - Castlevania reject 

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you takin shots at the wrong boy bb

i had totally forgot that he's carter's grandson, that's why he's involved and Batman went to him back earlier

also "my god... it's the astral brain of the anti-monitor! she has brought it to compressed form!" i bet is something nobody ever thought would be printed

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my favorite part was deathstroke just smashing the glass and then pointing out that he couldn't hear the fucking fish talking

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[benjipwns]

Also Sandman/Daniel is a Neil Gaiman thing from like 1987.

oh we are so not doin this right now

momo is allowed his ignorance because he's new to the DC Lore

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[benjipwns]

If you don't read Batman normally, you should this week (maybe along with last issue #36 which was the setup issue for this one) as Clark and Lois go on a double date with Bruce and Selina. To the Gotham County Fair.

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Bruce and Clark both becoming obsessed with whether or not Clark could strike him out.

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[Momo]

I liked the bit where superman thinks batman is the best and batman thinks superman is the best for completely opposite but the same reasons.

[samfish]

I’ve been very down for the most part on Tom King’s Batman run, but everything since the terrible War Of Jokes & Riddles ended has been pure gold. Batman 36 & 37 we’re both fantastic, and Batman Annual #2 was probably one of the best comics I think I’ve ever had the pleasure of reading.

Edit: I keep ending up at the top of a the page and feel bad because I have absolutely nothing insightful or eloquent to say ever.

[benjipwns]

we need more tom king praising tho

the war of jokes and riddles seemed off plotting wise, like it had an extra issue added or had a chunk of the plot removed but not replaced...or maybe it was the order

it also was a let down because Bruce has totally done worse things when he wasn't a newbie, Selina's straight up murdered people and before that didn't exactly put too much effort into saving people... there was no reason for this to be the thing he needed to confide in her first

arguably considering their past relationship and history it shouldn't be, DC writers seem to remember Bruce's memory wipe by Zatanna and the JLA still, they don't remember Selina's personality change or her daughter (nor that Bruce helped fake the death of both and Zatanna then wiped Selina's memory of her daughter...maybe that's a secret he should tell his fiance instead of that he nearly killed The Riddler? just spitballing)

[Tasty]

Grayson was better. Read Grayson.

[benjipwns]

STOP TRYING TO MAKE EVERYTHING EITHER OR

he should read grayson while he waits for more tom king batman

and we can all read mister miracle too

[benjipwns]

and probably sheriff of babylon and the omega men too while we're at it

[Momo]

and we can all read mister miracle too

You cunts seriously need to do this, it's like the greatest

[benjipwns]

Sheriff of Babylon is based on his actual experiences in Iraq so I'm going to check that out, for some reason I think Grayson may be a bit exaggerated compared to his actual time in the CIA. Though I have no evidence to support such a claim.

[kingv]

we need more tom king praising tho

the war of jokes and riddles seemed off plotting wise, like it had an extra issue added or had a chunk of the plot removed but not replaced...or maybe it was the order

it also was a let down because Bruce has totally done worse things when he wasn't a newbie, Selina's straight up murdered people and before that didn't exactly put too much effort into saving people... there was no reason for this to be the thing he needed to confide in her first

arguably considering their past relationship and history it shouldn't be, DC writers seem to remember Bruce's memory wipe by Zatanna and the JLA still, they don't remember Selina's personality change or her daughter (nor that Bruce helped fake the death of both and Zatanna then wiped Selina's memory of her daughter...maybe that's a secret he should tell his fiance instead of that he nearly killed The Riddler? just spitballing)

Eve Bat knows that sometimes with women you just have to let bygones be bygones.

[bork]

Was it ever explained why some of the axis reversed characters are back to normal and some aren’t? Iirc, superior iron man was still evil when the worlds collided. But then after Secret Wars he’s just back to normal... but saber tooth is still good? Shit doesn’t even make sense using comic book logic.

Nope!    With Iron Man, they just sort of dropped it.  His book abruptly ended and during the events leading up to SW, he was shown in his Superior armor, but acted like regular Tony.

Havok also just sort of reverted back to a more good guy-ish type, too.  Last I remember he kidnapped The Wasp, who had become his wife after a storyline event in Uncanny Avengers, and this was also unresolved and ignored.

At this point between Weapon X and All-New Wolverine, all the blade characters are good guys.  Do we really need Daken, Sabertooth, and even Lady Deathstrike all no longer being villains?  Old Man Logan, New-Wolverine, and recently-resurrected-but-not-back-in-comics-original-Wolverine aren't enough?

[kingv]

That’s right, I do remember that about tony pre-Secret Wars. I always wrote that one off as “the world is about to end so tony just let the fuckery go for a bit”.

I believe Havok is still very grumpy though at least, last time I saw him.

[bork]

I believe Havok is still very grumpy though at least, last time I saw him.

Yeah, but he straight-up kidnapped a woman and then months later, it's like nothing happened. 

[Rahxephon91]

Also I wonder if his child with the Wasp will ever be brought up again.

[kingv]

I just read Secret empire #4 the other day and it just now dawned on me that I’m pretty sure neither intron/pun nor Nadia wasp ever mentioned anything about how they are related during that issue. I’m not even sure they have met before in a book.... you’d think it would rate a mention to meet your kid for the first time or to have seen them for the first time in xxxx months/years.

Edit: actually maybe Nads is with the other kids in the red room with Black Widow in this book. I can’t keep it all straight.

[Momo]

DARK NIGHTS: METAL #5 ON SALE 1/31
MISTER MIRACLE #6 ON SALE 1/10
BATMAN: WHITE KNIGHT #4 ON SALE 1/3

[Purple Filth]

due to momo's continued shilling I've decided to check out Mr Miracle 


But it feels like i need to read the older stuff to really get everything in order re Scott Free, Big Barda, etc as i know about them mostly from osmosis.


Also sorry for the delayed response.

Unrelated to the Disney deal, Marvel announced another BIG CROSSOVER EVENT for next year.  Despite them saying they would stop doing this for a while.     It's gonna be another Infinite story with Thanos.  I assume this is also where the resurrected Logan is going to pop up? 

And maybe that's a hint for things to come.  Something they could easily do at the end of Avengers Infinite War Part 2 (which is what...2019?) is copy the Age Of Ultron story and have someone say something about how all the shit with the infinite stones has ripped holes in space and time, and who knows what this means, blah blah blah.  Then have a post-credits seen added that has a bunch of street thugs trying to start shit with a guy, who we don't see, followed by a SNIKT noise.  Roll credits and there you go.

Its cool that the universe is "whole" again and they can stop being fucking silly with the "no fantastic four because of reasons and lets push these godawful inhumans"

They at least started bringing back the X-Men more over the past year or so (more books, anyway), but still have mostly kept them out of the spotlight with other Marvel characters.  Hope that this deal will finally change all that.

What I don't get is the Fantastic Four.  OK, shitty Fox FF movie #3 came out.  I get it.  But on the comics side, who cares?  What does that matter?  And all they really did was get rid of Reed, Sue, and their kids.  The Thing is still there (was put with the Guardians Of The Galaxy, then became a SHIELD agent, and now is just doin' thangs) and Johnny Storm was with the Inhumans for a while and is (was?) a part of an Avengers team.  And they gave Doom his own book (Infamous Iron Man).  So...? 

Inhumans TV being a huge flop was probably the nail in the coffin for them, but there's still AVENGERS all over the place.  Shove those scrubs aside and bring the X-Men back where they belong, please.

Seems the logic was that if the comics are around the movies will get some spotlight even though they are FUCKING TERRIBLE   it made no sense tbh.

But yea as you said certain characters are now guest stars in other books with arguably the best character being reformed and in that swag armor.

DC turning future Tim into murder-happy Batman is no bueno.

Even though I do like this crossover.

Its cool to see him reach the potential he was always rumored to have but it seems whatever broke him even worse than Bruce which fucking says something.

more interested in

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seeing Conner, Cassie and Bart though and i wonder if they would do the thing you have been hoping for with Conner and him 

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[Momo]

You only really need to know about the Scott Free x Orion kid swap deal and accept that Barda loves Scott as much as any person can love another, that's it.
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It's almost better not knowing too much about how Scott is brought up so you can go through the emotional rollercoaster from the perspective of the viewer(odd word i know, but i use it for reasons), it starts with Scott trying to off himself and explores his mental and emotional state thereafter, it tells you what you need to know about why he's so fucked up as you need it.

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[Purple Filth]

You only really need to know about the Scott Free x Orion kid swap deal and accept that Barda loves Scott as much as any person can love another, that's it.
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It's almost better not knowing too much about how Scott is brought up so you can go through the emotional rollercoaster from the perspective of the viewer(odd word i know, but i use it for reasons), it starts with Scott trying to off himself and explores his mental and emotional state thereafter, it tells you what you need to know about why he's so fucked up as you need it.

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Actually that's some of the stuff i know (mainly the swap and him amounting to an escape artist due to his treatment).

I'll continue with that perspective though since i'm liking the inner thoughts being shown since it indicates hes having some...issues. 

[Momo]

Yeah, the whole comic is a roller coaster man, we can talk in spoilers later when you're up to date.

Since I love MM so much, should I try Tom King's Batman? Those of you who have read it.


EDIT Just read Batman Annual 1 & 2.
Annual 2, Tom King 

[Momo]

Up to Batman #16, the robins and bruce together at batburger

[Momo]

Batman 34

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[bork]

What's up with the art?  Dick looks an aging Clint Eastwood. 

No idea who the other one is.  Tim?  Damien?  Jason?  Dick from another time?

[bork]

Also I wonder if his child with the Wasp will ever be brought up again.

I think this was explained but I can't remember what happened.  I want to say that Kang (or a version of Kang) took the child and did something with it to prevent it from being erased from time?

I just read Secret empire #4 the other day and it just now dawned on me that I’m pretty sure neither intron/pun nor Nadia wasp ever mentioned anything about how they are related during that issue. I’m not even sure they have met before in a book.... you’d think it would rate a mention to meet your kid for the first time or to have seen them for the first time in xxxx months/years.

Edit: actually maybe Nads is with the other kids in the red room with Black Widow in this book. I can’t keep it all straight.

Intron/Pun?   

[Momo]

It's Damien, the art is the same in the new Mister Miracle btw.

Okay so after finishing 37 chapters of Tom King Batman, I can see the Tom King in it and I like it, but I have to say Mister Miracle is orders of magnitude better (so far) imo. I'll be reading all Tom King's stuff going forward though I get his stuff, I like his stuff.

[Momo]

Doomsday Clock #2

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[bork]

I liked Doomsday Clock #2 a lot more than the first issue.  LOL if they end up making it so that Dr. Manhattan was masquerading as some other superhero all along.  Please don't do this.  PLS.

One more issue of Invincible left.   :'(  That was a great superhero book. 

Phoenix Resurrection: The Return Of Jean Grey: Kind of a confusing book here with the X-Men getting Cerebro alerts and investigating weird phenomenon happening around the world.  Dead characters are back and apparently not "human" like Hellfire Club minions and Wolverine (not the real one who recently also came back) popping up in the antarctic out of nowhere.  The book ends with Jean Grey working at a diner, taking Banshee's (also dead) order and then going home to her (dead) parents and getting a visit from (yup...dead) adult Cyclops to go on a date.
 

Spider-Men II #5: The last issue of this mini-series is finally out.  The focus here was really on the 616 universe Miles Morales, who was revealed to be older than the Ultimate U. Miles and was a retired criminal associate of the Kingpin living 'in exile' on the west coast.  He hired the Taskmaster to help him with his goal, which was revealed to be getting a working portal to an alternate universe.  Really, in sense the two Spider-Men were just annoyances here and while 616 Miles isn't exactly a good guy, he was just trying to get to the other universe so he could meet up with a still-living version of his dead wife.  He succeeds in this goal in the last issue and it ends with them hitting it off at a restaurant she works at, which is then destroyed by...Ultimate Green Goblin fighting Ultimate (Peter Parker) Spider-Man.  Then the Ultimates pop up with one change being that Ultimate Iron Man is a version of Riri Williams.  This part of the book is drawn by Mark Bagley so even the visual tone is different from everything else.  Fourth wall breaking stuff happens with Spider-Woman/Black Widow? (The female Peter clone) even winking at the reader.  So basically Bendis decided to bring back the Ultimate Universe on his way out from Marvel.  What was the point of destroying all the other universes and then combining stuff into 616 again?

I wonder if Miles and co. will end up going back to the Ultimate universe or if they'll just leave it be. 

Savage Dragon #229&230:  More Dragon and family doin' thangs.  I didn't say anything about 229 before because it was almost like a repeat of 228, right down to more fucking and...juice dripping from Maxine's nether regions into her mouth after she is blasted off Dragon's junk by a geyser of sticky stuff.  This is referenced again in 230 by the characters saying that a comic book version of their lives exaggerates everything and blows it out of proportion.  Uh...?  Then we get a scene where they fuck in an elevator and a guy walks into it and slips and falls on a big puddle of cum.  HAHA JOKES.  Now Dragon's family are going to be reality TV stars and get paid for it!  His brother Kevin has knocked up Maxine's mom!  Maxine is also pregnant!  Wait...this is a superhero book, right?  I forget. 

The only real development here is that back in Dimension X, Angel, her mom Jennifer, and Alex are all still trying to get home and fighting endless amounts of aliens.  They're now fully-nude because Larsen is eager to say fuck you to whatever restrictions his book used to have, get captured by some aliens, and then are told that they will have to fuck them all (of course!) by a returning (and equally-nude) Rapture, who is Malcolm Dragon's mother. 

[Momo]

I liked Doomsday Clock #2 a lot more than the first issue.  LOL if they end up making it so that Dr. Manhattan was masquerading as some other superhero all along.  Please don't do this.  PLS.

I was sitting at my desk reading that like    and Manhattan came off like a complete pussy for me    but anyway, i liked it.

[Purple Filth]

I liked Doomsday Clock #2 a lot more than the first issue.  LOL if they end up making it so that Dr. Manhattan was masquerading as some other superhero all along.  Please don't do this.  PLS.

One more issue of Invincible left.   :'(  That was a great superhero book. 

Phoenix Resurrection: The Return Of Jean Grey: Kind of a confusing book here with the X-Men getting Cerebro alerts and investigating weird phenomenon happening around the world.  Dead characters are back and apparently not "human" like Hellfire Club minions and Wolverine (not the real one who recently also came back) popping up in the antarctic out of nowhere.  The book ends with Jean Grey working at a diner, taking Banshee's (also dead) order and then going home to her (dead) parents and getting a visit from (yup...dead) adult Cyclops to go on a date.
 

Spider-Men II #5: The last issue of this mini-series is finally out.  The focus here was really on the 616 universe Miles Morales, who was revealed to be older than the Ultimate U. Miles and was a retired criminal associate of the Kingpin living 'in exile' on the west coast.  He hired the Taskmaster to help him with his goal, which was revealed to be getting a working portal to an alternate universe.  Really, in sense the two Spider-Men were just annoyances here and while 616 Miles isn't exactly a good guy, he was just trying to get to the other universe so he could meet up with a still-living version of his dead wife.  He succeeds in this goal in the last issue and it ends with them hitting it off at a restaurant she works at, which is then destroyed by...Ultimate Green Goblin fighting Ultimate (Peter Parker) Spider-Man.  Then the Ultimates pop up with one change being that Ultimate Iron Man is a version of Riri Williams.  This part of the book is drawn by Mark Bagley so even the visual tone is different from everything else.  Fourth wall breaking stuff happens with Spider-Woman/Black Widow? (The female Peter clone) even winking at the reader.  So basically Bendis decided to bring back the Ultimate Universe on his way out from Marvel.  What was the point of destroying all the other universes and then combining stuff into 616 again?

I wonder if Miles and co. will end up going back to the Ultimate universe or if they'll just leave it be. 

Savage Dragon #229&230:  More Dragon and family doin' thangs.  I didn't say anything about 229 before because it was almost like a repeat of 228, right down to more fucking and...juice dripping from Maxine's nether regions into her mouth after she is blasted off Dragon's junk by a geyser of sticky stuff.  This is referenced again in 230 by the characters saying that a comic book version of their lives exaggerates everything and blows it out of proportion.  Uh...?  Then we get a scene where they fuck in an elevator and a guy walks into it and slips and falls on a big puddle of cum.  HAHA JOKES.  Now Dragon's family are going to be reality TV stars and get paid for it!  His brother Kevin has knocked up Maxine's mom!  Maxine is also pregnant!  Wait...this is a superhero book, right?  I forget. 

The only real development here is that back in Dimension X, Angel, her mom Jennifer, and Alex are all still trying to get home and fighting endless amounts of aliens.  They're now fully-nude because Larsen is eager to say fuck you to whatever restrictions his book used to have, get captured by some aliens, and then are told that they will have to fuck them all (of course!) by a returning (and equally-nude) Rapture, who is Malcolm Dragon's mother.

Haha Savage Dragon sounds fucking dumb but also hilarious 

[kingv]

I haven’t read savage dragon since the 90s but don’t remember one of his superpowers being blowing massive loads.

[samfish]

I read Savage Dragon for the first time last night thanks to you guys. That was... something. Oddly compelling, yet not really sexy at all inspite of all the nudity and sex talk.

I finally got around to reading Spider Men II  last night too. I guess that's a fitting send off for Bendis and the Ultimate universe. Except that the cancer known as Riri Williams lives on even if they get rid of her in the main universe. It's good that Miles is seemingly going to stop being Spider-Man. He's just a pointless, redundant character now.

Also! Action Comics is making me sad that Booster Gold still hasn't been brought back again in his own book. God damnit it's so good. 

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Red Goblin artwork is out there and he looks like an actual devil of sorts.  Now there's speculation that this character is just Norman Osbourne after making a deal with the devil, I.E. a returning Mephisto.  Which then fuels more speculation that all of this is going to lead to Dan Slott ending his run on Spider-Man by undoing One More Day.  I doubt it but that would be pretty awesome.

It's good that Miles is seemingly going to stop being Spider-Man. He's just a pointless, redundant character now.

Hard to tell if that's really going to happen or not- his on-going book is still...on-going AFAIK.  And I think Bendis still has a few more issues left on it. 

Marvel is canceling some books including America, Gwenpool, Generation X, and Hawkeye.  A lot of people are labeling this as the "Social Studies Warrior cancellation fest." (Excluding Generation X).  Heh.

EDIT: She-Hulk, Luke Cage, and Iceman are all canceled too.

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This is Tim Drake now?

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And wow, missed this-

https://www.cbr.com/jean-grey-phoenix-death/

In the (Teenage) Jean Grey solo series, the Phoenix force comes to earth and various Phoenix-connected characters team up to try to stop it (including the ghost of adult Jean Grey, lol).  Teenage Jean tries to fight it one on one and it just incinerates her.  So they've killed off one Jean Grey just to bring back another one?


Or is it the fake-Phoenix Jean Grey who is coming back? 

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Teen Titans #15: Super Sons of Tomorrow #3

"Savior"... yeah, no. I was sorta hoping they'd give him his original Red Robin costume back, would have been a neat callback. But then again I don't really want that suit tainted with... whatever version of Drake that DC is shoving in our faces here.

I do like the idea of Titans of Tomorrow, but the fact that Tim refers to them as such is just... dumb.

Why Damian and Jon don't try to meet up with the current Drake is beyond me, other than editorial trying to keep the focus on the two Super Sons.

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This is Tim Drake now?

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That's basically Future's End/Lonely Place of Living Tim.

I am not a fan.

Though, I do like seeing my Timmy in anything.

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Marvel is canceling some books including America, Gwenpool, Generation X, and Hawkeye.  A lot of people are labeling this as the "Social Studies Warrior cancellation fest." (Excluding Generation X).  Heh.

EDIT: She-Hulk, Luke Cage, and Iceman are all canceled too.

The fuck Marvel?

Lol Iceaman finally comes out. "CANCELLED!"

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Marvel is canceling some books including America, Gwenpool, Generation X, and Hawkeye.  A lot of people are labeling this as the "Social Studies Warrior cancellation fest." (Excluding Generation X).  Heh.

EDIT: She-Hulk, Luke Cage, and Iceman are all canceled too.

The fuck Marvel?

Lol Iceaman finally comes out. "CANCELLED!"

I think the solo book is the adult still not-gay-although-maybe-he-is-but-who-knows-lol version of the character. 

AFAIK, This is the current state of the various time/reality displaced X-Men:

Cyclops: The most "normal" (I.E. nothing going on and not much different from the adult version) of the group.  Runs with the X-Men and the Champions.   Had a solo book briefly a few years back, but that quickly ended.

Beast: Still not furry and started dabbling in mysticism which has led to all sorts of fuckery and some demonic invasions.

Iceman: No different from his adult self apart from being gay.  There's even some speculation that Jean Grey sort of made him 'realize' he was gay and mentally pushed him in that direction, and holy shit no don't do that.  Just make him gay, Marvel, and leave it at that.

Angel: Got his wings upgraded to be made of a fiery substance during a storyline a few years back with some cosmic thing (a mirror of some kind?  I already forgot) and while everyone else was depowered from this, he stayed the same.  Personality wise is the "regular" Angel.  (The adult version got mind-wiped and has been doing all sorts of weird shit.  Most recently he seems back to normal and his his regular and Archangel versions of himself.)

Jean Grey:  I haven't read her solo book.  She's pretty much like Cyclops except while those two have a mind link, they aren't in a relationship.  Now dead?

Jimmy Hudson: Because every book needs a Wolverine.  Popped up from the Ultimate universe and like the Ultimate mutants, isn't a "real" mutant and does not register as such when scanned or whatever. 

Bloodstorm: Came from Beast summoning Madelyn Pryor/The Goblyn Queen and hellish versions of the X-Men.  Stayed with the team after helping them.  She looks more like the 80s mohawk Storm.  Cyclops apparently likes her and can't stop ogling her.  Pretty sure he's supposed to be under 18 and she's an adult.  OK, Marvel.  The last issue I read, I didn't see her with the rest of the X-Men when they jumped from 2099 to a reality with Generation X from the 90s.  Not sure if that means she disappeared or someone just forgot to draw her. 

I know the X-Men have been through a lot, but it always irked me how there wasn't a huge reaction to the O5 (and later Bloodstorm) when they met the other X-Men.  Ditto for Old Man Logan meeting Jimmy Hudson. 

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Interesting about the ultimate universe. I liked it up until the end and was kind of sorry to see it go (despite some shitty stories). Evil reed Richards was pretty dope, and then they turned him into some kind of joke villain when brought into 616. Such a waste of potential.

The best thing about ultimate was that it was editorially much tighter than 616. Since there were fewer books the status quo was better reflected across all books.

I also didn’t really hate Riri. I was ready to, but I thought her book was reasonably entertaining. Thought Secret Empire made me wonder why she existed at all, since Tony at some point just started being an AI Iron Man all by himself. I thought it was dumb how the avengers would give a computer shit for being drunk though.

Gay Iceman is dumb. They should just have Northstar kiss him and he’s like “I can’t do this!” And realize he’s not gay. I don’t have a problem with having a gay character (or gay child iceman)  but just deciding he’s suddenly gay after 50 years is just try-hard as hell and unnecessary. Maybe they can just have him bottom for a futa girl as a middle ground. Sera or chick Loki.

Would love if Slott undid one more day. My guess is that after slott leaves, Spider-Man will be in a bad place within like two years and undoing one more day will be on the menu. Marvel basically has no good writers, so I don’t see how they keep up momentum.

[samfish]

Red Goblin artwork is out there and he looks like an actual devil of sorts.  Now there's speculation that this character is just Norman Osbourne after making a deal with the devil, I.E. a returning Mephisto.  Which then fuels more speculation that all of this is going to lead to Dan Slott ending his run on Spider-Man by undoing One More Day.  I doubt it but that would be pretty awesome.

That’s interesting speculation. I remember shortly after Secret Wars ended there were a few mentions in Spider-Man and I think Spider-Man / Deadpool about OMD happening. But they’ve never followed up on any of those obviously.

It's good that Miles is seemingly going to stop being Spider-Man. He's just a pointless, redundant character now.

Hard to tell if that's really going to happen or not- his on-going book is still...on-going AFAIK.  And I think Bendis still has a few more issues left on it. 

Miles has been all about not being Spider-Man for a while now. I think there’s a real strong possibility that Bendis ends his Marvel run by giving him a new name and costume at this point.

[kingv]

He’ll take the black suit Spider-Man suit and move on from Gwen to MH.

[Purple Filth]

Doomsday Clock 2

what the fuck? 

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Nice to see the meetup people have talked about in what ifs, etc is actually happening  . Also Lex ethering the fuck out of Ozy for being a fucking idiot , but what the hell at the Comedian's return

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[Tasty]

Doomsday Clock #2 is pure fuckery and I love it.

[Momo]

Doomsday Clock 2

what the fuck? 

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Nice to see the meetup people have talked about in what ifs, etc is actually happening  . Also Lex ethering the fuck out of Ozy for being a fucking idiot , but what the hell at the Comedian's return

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Lex just be like 'the fuck is this Julius Caesar looking fucker'

[Rahxephon91]

The sad thing is that under Hickman, Ultimate Reed was a really good villain.