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Rahxephon91

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« Reply #31560 on: October 25, 2022, 08:18:55 PM »
Hmm. I remember the graphics and presentation being much praised because it was and still is great.

What I remember being criticized was that there was too much Batmobile, which there is. Thes story being lame, which it was. And the boss battles being worse, which they are. The PC port was bad.

I think Knight is actually a disappointment, but not in the visuals.

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« Reply #31561 on: October 25, 2022, 10:58:34 PM »
Svejk,
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Bayonetta does die in Bayonetta 3.  Bayonetta also lives.
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  Because there's more than one of them.  This game is "Bayonetta In The Multiverse Of Madness."  The trailer Nintendo put up recently shows some of the different Bayos.



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The "controversy" over Bayonetta
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hooking up with a dude and having a child
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also shouldn't be setting people off when there's more than one Bayonetta in this game.  IT'S NOT THE SAME FUCKING CHARACTER FROM BAYO 1 AND 2!
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Story spoiler:
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Viola's parents aren't even the Bayonetta you play as or the Luka who appears in the game, apparently.  It's a different set of them.
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Svejk

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« Reply #31562 on: October 26, 2022, 09:14:16 AM »
 R-Type Final 3 Evolved announced for PS5
(An enhanced R-Type Final 2)  :doge

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Granzella has announced R-Type Final 3 Evolved for PlayStation 5, the latest issue of Weekly Famitsu reveals. It will launch in March 2023.

R-Type Final 3 Evolved is based on R-Type Final 2, and features improved visuals, over 100 playable ships, seven exclusive new stages, PlayStation VR2 support for takeoff scenes, metaverse spaces for online multiplayer lobbies, and mini-games.


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« Reply #31563 on: October 26, 2022, 12:37:22 PM »
Guess Call of Duty has another controversy but in really mild form this time

https://twitter.com/yacobg42/status/1584679481842843649

Svejk

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« Reply #31564 on: October 26, 2022, 03:54:16 PM »
The 2nd review down by FightForTheLost...  :rofl
https://www.amazon.com/Legend-Zelda-Ocarina-Time-Nintendo-3DS/dp/B003O6E800/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=269dh&content-id=amzn1.sym.8cf3b8ef-6a74-45dc-9f0d-6409eb523603&pf_rd_p=8cf3b8ef-6a74-45dc-9f0d-6409eb523603&pf_rd_r=J4DHAP7TXWBSTY305GNJ&pd_rd_wg=Y9sz5&pd_rd_r=f89f11c3-3468-4418-b6aa-2bfd5aff4523&ref_=pd_gw_ci_mcx_mi

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The most incredible game ever forged by the hand of man or the gods that is Ocarina Of Time just became better.

When done right Zelda is not simply a videogame but akin to having a religious experience.

Well like its predecessor Link To The Past before it all it seems that Ocarina ever does is the right things to move the Zelda series forward.

If only Eiji Aonuma had never been born, then Zelda's progress would not of taken 200 steps back from this epic acheivement in gaming and human history that was and is The Legend Of Zelda: Ocarina Of Time.

As a hero character Link has so much untapped potential and marketability it is ridiculous and yet as a character he is horrifically and pathetically mismanaged by Aonuma and underutilized by Nintendo.

Link and the Zelda series deserves far better than this clown Eiji Aonuma and I hope to either a loving god/s or even an uncaring universe that one day justice is served and Eiji Aonuma FINALLY is removed from the Zelda series development along with the entire Zelda team which he assembled after OOT which he selected who share the same sick ideas he has about what the series is supposed to be.

Well moving on to the rest of my review...

Ocarina Of Time has become better with this edition to re-iterate a previous point.

And NO its betterment is not owed to Nintendo's atrociously horrible 3D idea but rather because of the beautiful graphical reworking the company has done to an already good looking game that really held up in appearance quite respectably since it's original 1998 release on the Nintendo 64 home game console.

Also owing to its superiority when compared to it's previous incarnations is how much more functional and fluid the game has become due to the accompaniment of the 3DS's dual screen feature which allows you to access items such as the iron boots much quicker than could be done in the past on the home console versions of the game.

In anycase though this greatest game of all time is often criticized by fools and traitors ie Aonuma Zelda fans and related Nintendo damage controllists for having a mostly empty Hyrule field, yet the fact of the matter is the Hyrule field in this game is the greatest ever created since the series conception only rivalled by The Legend Of Zelda: A Link To The Past's version of Hyrule.

A testament to the ridiculously pleasing design of the field is that despite all of these long years passing as videogames became increasingly sophisticated, powerful with awe inspiring graphics Zelda OOT's Hyrule field is still preferred over the newer "Aonuma Zelda" Hyrule field in Twilight Princess and thats despite the Aonuma Zelda title's field being filled with far more action and things to do in general.

This speaks to the superiority of Shigeru Miyamoto and others as Zelda directors and the utter inferiority of Eiji Aonuma in that same position over Zelda.

In anycase to touch on the dual screen functionality again I will say it really is quite incredible, it makes having to remember your Ocarina songs to trigger certain game actions such as warping to a new location or summoning your horse Epona into a thing of the past.

Bottom line is this is a 5 star game.

Reason being?

Amazon's system won't allow me to rate it any higher.

Buy this game!

Especially so if you've grown up never having experienced it before.

You'll soon see how inferior Eiji Aonuma's so called "Zelda" games are in comparison.

The man is a hack that MUST be fired from Nintendo, he and his Zelda team for the series to ever produce a game at or beyond Ocarina Of Time's level ever again.
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HaughtyFrank

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« Reply #31565 on: October 27, 2022, 05:44:27 AM »
https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/ye5g5u/jeff_gerstmann_confirms_he_was_fired_from_giant/

Gerstman was fired from Giant bomb 3 weeks before he was set to leave

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Gerstmann describes it as: "I got fired three weeks before I was going to quit," adding that: "I was, like, trying to find a reason to stay at my [then-]current position, and they were basically like...how about instead you just wrap it the **** up." He details that he was having a hard time at Giant Bomb before that, describing his situation in his final days at the job as a "bad ****ing fit". He originally wanted to wait to leave until after E3, but something (Gerstmann doesn't get into what) accelerated that timeline. Then, three weeks before he was going to leave, the axe fell.

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« Reply #31566 on: October 27, 2022, 04:37:26 PM »
They just couldn't wait to get rid of Gerstmann so they could bring in....*checks notes*....uh....*googles "who still works at Giant Bomb"*...uhhhhhh....oh!...the one guy that got married in a Taco Bell.
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Rahxephon91

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« Reply #31567 on: October 27, 2022, 06:19:24 PM »
I've listened to a few of the recent Giantbombs. It's not that bad. More millennial feeling than gen xer.

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« Reply #31568 on: October 27, 2022, 07:25:56 PM »
They just couldn't wait to get rid of Gerstmann so they could bring in....*checks notes*....uh....*googles "who still works at Giant Bomb"*...uhhhhhh....oh!...the one guy that got married in a Taco Bell.

The site would have died in like 2015 if it wasn't for Dan Rykert actually putting effort into their paid stuff when no one else could be arsed :trumps
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Tasty

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« Reply #31569 on: October 27, 2022, 08:58:55 PM »
Drama always seems to follow Jeff around. Strange.

benjipwns

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« Reply #31570 on: October 27, 2022, 11:38:01 PM »
Jeff probably should have asked for some preferred shares when he sold to CBS.

Svejk

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« Reply #31571 on: October 28, 2022, 09:58:09 AM »
What's gonna drop in price faster; Sanic Cuntears or Schmod of Warz: Dickinsock?

Tasty

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« Reply #31572 on: October 28, 2022, 10:52:33 AM »
Sonic for sure.

Svejk

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« Reply #31573 on: October 28, 2022, 11:25:29 AM »
Sonic for sure.
What I was assuming too.  Guess the reason I questioned was that even though Soyny claimed TLOU2 was their highest selling 1st party game at the time, it still dropped in price relatively quick considerring.  Was wondering if GOWR would do the same... Like drop to $50-$40 after the New Year around Feb. or something.

Svejk

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« Reply #31574 on: October 28, 2022, 11:56:13 AM »
Callisto Protocol has been cancelled for Japan.  They won't censor it like other devs do.  Wonder where the line gets drawn for CERO when it comes to violence and gore?

HardcoreRetro

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« Reply #31575 on: October 28, 2022, 12:00:44 PM »
TLOU2 probably got decimated through word of mouth after release.

I can't see the same thing happening with GOW: Ragnarok. They probably have better writers and aren't as active on social media, so I expect no blowback to be coming from there. Naughty Dog seemingly did everything in their power to piss people off.

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« Reply #31576 on: October 28, 2022, 12:11:35 PM »
TLOU2 came and went really quick considering all the fanfare for it. I know some people pulled the “2020 was a miserable slog, I don’t want to play some miserable damp shooter.” And it was right as the PS5 was coming. And they cut out multiplayer. That’s without the controversy of what the game was.

Speaking for myself, I didn’t play it. The story stuff didn’t bother me. Just wasn’t into what they showed. Cool rope tech, though. Best ropes since Tomb Raider Legend and Trine.

Svejk

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« Reply #31577 on: October 28, 2022, 12:29:11 PM »
TLOU2 probably got decimated through word of mouth after release.

I can't see the same thing happening with GOW: Ragnarok. They probably have better writers and aren't as active on social media, so I expect no blowback to be coming from there. Naughty Dog seemingly did everything in their power to piss people off.
TLOU2 came and went really quick considering all the fanfare for it. I know some people pulled the “2020 was a miserable slog, I don’t want to play some miserable damp shooter.” And it was right as the PS5 was coming. And they cut out multiplayer. That’s without the controversy of what the game was.

Speaking for myself, I didn’t play it. The story stuff didn’t bother me. Just wasn’t into what they showed. Cool rope tech, though. Best ropes since Tomb Raider Legend and Trine.
True.  Yeah, I have yet to play TLOU2 as well, because of alot of what direction ND pushed in it..  Don't want to give them money for it.  (If it drops for free on PS+, maybe then I'll try it, but whatever).  I'm sort of in the same boat for GOWR.  Can't say I'm on board with how they're pushing their (supposed) story, but being a more "anything goes" fantasy game, it shouldn't matter you'd think being an action game.... but since they wanted to make it all character cinematic with emotions n' shit, they have to push that envelope now it seems... Not sure if I want to pay them their full ridiculous price for going that route I could care less about. 

Starting to understand and feel the eyerolls for the sony mad dad genres their pushing.  Getting a bit over it among other things of late in gaming.

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« Reply #31578 on: October 28, 2022, 04:45:52 PM »
Why would anybody biy sonic frontiers lmaooo
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Svejk

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« Reply #31579 on: October 28, 2022, 08:26:58 PM »
Why would anybody biy sonic frontiers lmaooo
Looks kinda fun.  :trumps $60 fun? Most likely not.  Curious what reviews are ... Even though reviews suck.  Speaking of, I have a sneaky suspicion that the reviews will be all over the place like everything else of late. Lol

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« Reply #31580 on: October 28, 2022, 08:50:28 PM »
What's gonna drop in price faster; Sanic Cuntears or Schmod of Warz: Dickinsock?
Need for Speed
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Polident Hive

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« Reply #31581 on: October 28, 2022, 10:10:42 PM »
When did stick drift become a thing people were concerned about?

8bitdo has this new controller coming out, and a premium variation with hall effect (sp?) joysticks. Way it’s described is using magnets rather than mechanical sensors. The appeal is eliminating drift. Some people mod them onto their steam decks.

To the best of my memory I never encountered stick drift. Even my dual shock 2, so worn the stem of the stick thinned from rubbing against the case, never fit how people describe drifting.

benjipwns

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« Reply #31582 on: October 28, 2022, 10:48:26 PM »
I just read a handful of articles on popular video game websites like IGN about stick drift and it sounds totally made up. The Switch talk sounds more reasonable as apparently the "stick" is actually flat, but the others sound like they're citing a potentially irrelevant claim (sensometers are guaranteed to 2 million uses according to Sony) and extrapolating that it must be the issue that happens when you surpass that number. Weirdly none of the articles appear to bother to consider any other potential causes and all immediately say the cause is related to that one claim they could get from Sony, but then they go onto say that cleaning the stick may fix this?

 :science

Svejk

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« Reply #31583 on: October 28, 2022, 11:58:49 PM »
So far I've only had a new DS4 drift.  It was one of those special color batches that came out (mine being berry blue) and it felt cheaply made and started drifting after about a week of use, so it's real.  That being said, it was barely used, but I sent it to Sony and they fixed it and had it sent back within 7-8 days for free under warranty.  Has worked fine since. Guess they had a bad batch with some shitty sensors. Still feels cheaper than my original DS4's though..

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« Reply #31584 on: October 29, 2022, 06:01:58 AM »
To the best of my memory I never encountered stick drift. Even my dual shock 2, so worn the stem of the stick thinned from rubbing against the case, never fit how people describe drifting.
I find that surprising. No controller I've had wore out as bad as we're seeing with Joycons (different mechanism, tbf), but every single one I've used long term has worn-out sticks, which lead to drift in games with tight deadzones.

My Xbone controller degraded fastest. Both sticks don't center properly and drift (in the same direction, interestingly). I also had to replace the button membrane recently. The carbon pad for the A-button basically hung by a thread. First time I've ever had a rubber-dome fail.

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« Reply #31585 on: October 29, 2022, 12:48:11 PM »
I like drifting in games so I dont see whats the problem  ???
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benjipwns

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Svejk

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Re: Random Gaming Talk Thread
« Reply #31587 on: October 29, 2022, 08:11:46 PM »

Rahxephon91

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« Reply #31588 on: October 29, 2022, 10:40:52 PM »
Nah. That’s wrong.

Svejk

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« Reply #31589 on: October 30, 2022, 12:18:30 AM »
It's dumb in concept, but I get it.  Going physical, you can't trust anyone in shipping and retail.

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« Reply #31590 on: October 30, 2022, 04:41:52 AM »
Oh noes spoilers 😂😂 stories in games suck ass.

Kratos dies who cares

I dont know that for a fact but I presume its gonna happen
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HardcoreRetro

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« Reply #31591 on: October 30, 2022, 07:56:13 AM »
The fact my youtube homepage isn't full of angry gamers shouting about the game, I'm assuming the game/story is fine and not a divisive shitstorm like Last of Us 2 was.

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« Reply #31592 on: October 30, 2022, 10:11:16 AM »
The only reason people were angry about that game is trans/strong womangs

Dumbass toxic bullsheit
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paprikastaude

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« Reply #31593 on: October 30, 2022, 11:31:16 AM »
Kratos already died at the end of GoW3 iirc. :doge Hopefully he just keeps popping up randomly in other lands, no one wants to play that dumb kid. And hopefully the next saga is less pretentious dad wank.

MMaRsu

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« Reply #31594 on: October 30, 2022, 11:52:18 AM »
I've honestly never cared about a God of War story but thats just me
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Svejk

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« Reply #31595 on: October 30, 2022, 02:29:35 PM »
Kratos already died at the end of GoW3 iirc. :doge Hopefully he just keeps popping up randomly in other lands, no one wants to play that dumb kid. And hopefully the next saga is less pretentious dad wank.
Exactly.  Without going any deeper into it, it's enough for me to avoid paying for this nonsense.

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« Reply #31596 on: October 30, 2022, 03:44:08 PM »
I've honestly never cared about a God of War story but thats just me
You'd have to be pretty mentally deficient to give a shit about any video game story to be honest.
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Rahxephon91

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« Reply #31597 on: October 30, 2022, 07:15:15 PM »
I don’t think anyone posting on a video game forum spin-off forum really should be calling people mentality deficient.

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« Reply #31598 on: October 30, 2022, 08:01:08 PM »

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« Reply #31599 on: October 30, 2022, 08:27:28 PM »
I've honestly never cared about a God of War story but thats just me
You'd have to be pretty mentally deficient to give a shit about any video game story to be honest.
Plenty of video games have great stories. Half-Life, NIER, Xenoblade, Link's Awakening, Lost Odyssey, Assassins Creed 2, Deus Ex, Cyberpunk 2077, Witcher 3, The Wind Waker etc. .
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« Reply #31600 on: October 31, 2022, 07:48:03 AM »
I've honestly never cared about a God of War story but thats just me
You'd have to be pretty mentally deficient to give a shit about any video game story to be honest.
Plenty of video games have great stories. Half-Life, NIER, Xenoblade, Link's Awakening, Lost Odyssey, Assassins Creed 2, Deus Ex, Cyberpunk 2077, Witcher 3, The Wind Waker etc. .
Those all need the qualifier, "...for a video game". Most YA fiction or shitty B-movies shit all over those stories from a great height.
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« Reply #31601 on: October 31, 2022, 12:40:59 PM »
Nah that's just one of those cliche opinions that lots of people say. There is no baseline quality to any of these different mediums.

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« Reply #31602 on: October 31, 2022, 12:59:48 PM »
Nah that's just one of those cliche opinions that lots of people say. There is no baseline quality to any of these different mediums.

Mostly 14 y/os on Nintendo fanboards. Next hit take: "GRAPHICS NEVER MATTERED!! :six: "

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« Reply #31603 on: October 31, 2022, 01:29:12 PM »
if all games are on a lower tier than books and movies, then which games manage to approach "real storytelling" the best?

surely planescape torment?

also honestly I love ace attorney for the same reason I love 12 angry men, my cousin vinnie, columbo etc.
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« Reply #31604 on: October 31, 2022, 01:36:45 PM »
It's Kane and Lynch 2: Dog Days.

Fucking masterpiece.

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« Reply #31605 on: October 31, 2022, 01:48:34 PM »
honestly why not

the average action movie from the 80s or 90s weren't that much better written than metal gear solid 1

there could be something to be said for the brevity of a movie getting to the point faster and better, but it's got as many memorable moments and conversations and weapon/military trivia/porn as anything else
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« Reply #31606 on: October 31, 2022, 02:11:53 PM »
granted, the biggest problem with gaming storytelling is that the most notable story-based games still often come from japan, and japan has very different priorities, cultural assumptions, and communication style when it comes to storytelling, and localization can only do so much

like FUCKING aizuchi

or explaining and re-explaining the most basic shit, while simultaneously not explaining how really significant parts of the mythology are supposed to work, just handwaving it because they want to get to the pathos without earning it
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« Reply #31607 on: October 31, 2022, 02:58:43 PM »
https://twitter.com/EA/status/1587114709077168130

If you thought Avengers was bad wait till you get a load of this  :lol
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« Reply #31608 on: October 31, 2022, 03:25:03 PM »
Games almost universally have nothing to say beyond superficial messages about war is bad, technology is bad, X thing is cool. They are almost always just world-building without any actual storytelling, the equivalent of Z-grade fantasy or sci-fi where the author spent all their time designing an intricate magic system, but forgot basic character development. There's a massive over reliance on fantasy elements or super powers and cool swords and generally no effort put into human connections or emotion. When those human elements are included, they are usually so poorly written and lacking in decent characterisation that they are laughable and come across as almost a parody of themselves.

A cool setting does not make a good story. A good story needs to say something to connect with people. Video games are almost universally about using cool powers to kill shit with a superficial messages hammered into the script with very little subtlety or thought.
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« Reply #31609 on: October 31, 2022, 03:48:01 PM »
Games almost universally have nothing to say beyond superficial messages about war is bad, technology is bad, X thing is cool. They are almost always just world-building without any actual storytelling, the equivalent of Z-grade fantasy or sci-fi where the author spent all their time designing an intricate magic system, but forgot basic character development. There's a massive over reliance on fantasy elements or super powers and cool swords and generally no effort put into human connections or emotion. When those human elements are included, they are usually so poorly written and lacking in decent characterisation that they are laughable and come across as almost a parody of themselves.

A cool setting does not make a good story. A good story needs to say something to connect with people. Video games are almost universally about using cool powers to kill shit with a superficial messages hammered into the script with very little subtlety or thought.

ok but what elevates other media

are Avengers, Guardians or Fast and Furious so much better? "family is important, but not necessarily blood, family is who you make it," so deep

Jurassic Park or Godzilla? "man is insignificant and meddles in affairs he shouldn't"

what about Demolition Man, Speed, Terminator, Indiana Jones, Die Hard, makes them better than most action games? I mean it's one thing to watch Sarah Connor get hunted down, and another to feel personally hunted down by Mr. X or Pyramid Head

can games not tell the seven basic stories like movies do

you could argue that specific decisions surrounding games limit their ability to have more depth, like silent protagonists or quiet/viewpoint ones like in Skyrim or Fallout, but games don't have to be like that



I don't necessarily think that games are especially good, rather, most mass media stories are just as bad

I felt as much for Ezio in Assassin's Creed 2 as I did for Luke Skywalker, both losing their family and being inducted into a small order to fight a larger fight, etc., both were characterized equally well
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« Reply #31610 on: October 31, 2022, 04:48:04 PM »
Those all need the qualifier, "...for a video game". Most YA fiction or shitty B-movies shit all over those stories from a great height.
Games almost universally have nothing to say beyond superficial messages about war is bad, technology is bad, X thing is cool. They are almost always just world-building without any actual storytelling, the equivalent of Z-grade fantasy or sci-fi where the author spent all their time designing an intricate magic system, but forgot basic character development. There's a massive over reliance on fantasy elements or super powers and cool swords and generally no effort put into human connections or emotion. When those human elements are included, they are usually so poorly written and lacking in decent characterisation that they are laughable and come across as almost a parody of themselves.

A cool setting does not make a good story. A good story needs to say something to connect with people. Video games are almost universally about using cool powers to kill shit with a superficial messages hammered into the script with very little subtlety or thought.
My man, you said most young adult fiction.

what about Demolition Man, Speed, Terminator, Indiana Jones, Die Hard, makes them better than most action games?
Obvious. :ufup

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« Reply #31611 on: October 31, 2022, 04:51:00 PM »
Who fucking cares? If you enjoy a story, you enjoy it. If you think it's good, you think it's good. Don't let narrow-minded assholes hold any sway. Anyone who says an entire medium has no such quality is an idiot and probably dosen't know what they are talking about.

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« Reply #31612 on: October 31, 2022, 04:53:44 PM »
Wanky opinion is games like The Forgotten City are what’s great about video game stories and couldn’t be done in other media.

But I’m a Kojima fan so it’s a deeply hypocritical view to hold.

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« Reply #31613 on: October 31, 2022, 04:56:10 PM »
Or what about Soma?

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Soma deez nuts!
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« Reply #31614 on: October 31, 2022, 05:09:02 PM »
I had to play Mario's Rabbids 2 recently. Gameplay-wise it's a decent enough S-RPG, but overall lightyears behind Paper Mario 2 because the writing is so boring and completely devoid of wit.

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Re: Random Gaming Talk Thread
« Reply #31615 on: October 31, 2022, 06:00:56 PM »
https://twitter.com/EA/status/1587114709077168130

If you thought Avengers was bad wait till you get a load of this  :lol

Star wars the ginger jedi was a decent game, maybe these will be too :trumps
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Re: Random Gaming Talk Thread
« Reply #31616 on: October 31, 2022, 06:01:14 PM »
Who fucking cares? If you enjoy a story, you enjoy it. If you think it's good, you think it's good. Don't let narrow-minded assholes hold any sway. Anyone who says an entire medium has no such quality is an idiot and probably dosen't know what they are talking about.
Equally, anyone who thinks video games tell a compelling story is probably mentally challenged.
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Re: Random Gaming Talk Thread
« Reply #31617 on: October 31, 2022, 06:03:07 PM »
Games almost universally have nothing to say beyond superficial messages about war is bad, technology is bad, X thing is cool. They are almost always just world-building without any actual storytelling, the equivalent of Z-grade fantasy or sci-fi where the author spent all their time designing an intricate magic system, but forgot basic character development. There's a massive over reliance on fantasy elements or super powers and cool swords and generally no effort put into human connections or emotion. When those human elements are included, they are usually so poorly written and lacking in decent characterisation that they are laughable and come across as almost a parody of themselves.

A cool setting does not make a good story. A good story needs to say something to connect with people. Video games are almost universally about using cool powers to kill shit with a superficial messages hammered into the script with very little subtlety or thought.

ok but what elevates other media

are Avengers, Guardians or Fast and Furious so much better? "family is important, but not necessarily blood, family is who you make it," so deep

Jurassic Park or Godzilla? "man is insignificant and meddles in affairs he shouldn't"

what about Demolition Man, Speed, Terminator, Indiana Jones, Die Hard, makes them better than most action games? I mean it's one thing to watch Sarah Connor get hunted down, and another to feel personally hunted down by Mr. X or Pyramid Head

can games not tell the seven basic stories like movies do

you could argue that specific decisions surrounding games limit their ability to have more depth, like silent protagonists or quiet/viewpoint ones like in Skyrim or Fallout, but games don't have to be like that



I don't necessarily think that games are especially good, rather, most mass media stories are just as bad

I felt as much for Ezio in Assassin's Creed 2 as I did for Luke Skywalker, both losing their family and being inducted into a small order to fight a larger fight, etc., both were characterized equally well
Video games being almost universally bad at storytelling does not require all movies or literature to be good.
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Re: Random Gaming Talk Thread
« Reply #31618 on: October 31, 2022, 06:14:50 PM »
Eh the base Witcher 3 takes a not dissimilar time commitment than a full watch of game of thrones and even if you take away the shit bits of thrones i wouldn't say its clearly better by any means story wise :gamer

They probably even have similar strengths and weaknesses.
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Re: Random Gaming Talk Thread
« Reply #31619 on: October 31, 2022, 06:28:27 PM »
Video games being almost universally bad at storytelling does not require all movies or literature to be good.

so what does it matter if some unspecified stories are told better, when the most popular stories of our time like capeshit actually contain worse stories than most video games?

you're mad that people aren't properly appreciating filet mignon when they're over there enjoying their cheap steak which is still vastly better than McDonald's
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