Author Topic: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT| (Read 64461 times)

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #300 on:** October 02, 2010, 12:28:13 AM »

I actually can't find that anywhere on TeamLiquid or the Blizzard forums. $20 says it was some guy on GameFAQs trolling

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #301 on:** October 02, 2010, 01:01:45 AM »

I'm so behind in tournaments/pro play. Haven't watched anything lately

ManaByte · « **Reply #302 on:** October 02, 2010, 01:58:07 AM »

Quote from: OptimoPeach on October 02, 2010, 12:28:13 AM

I actually can't find that anywhere on TeamLiquid or the Blizzard forums. $20 says it was some guy on GameFAQs trolling

It's on the front page of General discussion on the SC2 forums. First Blizzard response.

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/791409599?page=5#96

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #303 on:** October 02, 2010, 03:08:26 AM »

Noooo

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #304 on:** October 02, 2010, 03:35:04 PM »

Meet your new Zerg god

Will post VODs when they get uploaded somewhere. He just completely bitchslapped the entire Terran race, and it was awesome.

Ultras seemed fine to me btw

edit: #g/u

VODs here. Start at the bottom.

Corporal · « **Reply #305 on:** October 02, 2010, 05:08:16 PM »

That was a pretty onesided finale. It's eerie how the Fruit guy seems to know exactly what his opponent is up to at all times.

What a beatdown. Fun to watch though.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #306 on:** October 02, 2010, 11:09:11 PM »

Just watched the first two games. This guy is completely vicious. Looks far more flexible than Idra

smh @ all the fruit puns from the casters

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #307 on:** October 02, 2010, 11:25:36 PM »

Here are the other games from the tournament if you guys want to check them out: http://www.dailymotion.com/playlists/user/gslsc2

Can't remember all the great matches in specific, but any games from Tester/sSKS, Check, Idra, TheLittleOne, IntoTheRainbow/HopeTorture, FruitDealer/Cool/과일장수, Clide, PoltPrime, and MakaPrime should be good.

And yeah, FruitDealer is just cold blooded. I would have thought he was maphacking by the way he was catching all of those drops and stuff if I didn't know better

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #308 on:** October 03, 2010, 02:27:52 AM »

Finished the finals. Wow, Fruit looks amazing. Far from a passive zerg player. Idra has kind of been playing the same since the beta: heavy macro, mass unit, attack/counter. If you put pressure on him early he can fold. Fruit dealt with various forms of pressure quite well, and then put huge pressure on the opponent.

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #309 on:** October 07, 2010, 09:30:22 AM »

Almost thinking about trying Zerg. I'd like to be able to play Random eventually, but Zerg macro is just so weird and different. Protoss looks like it would take about a day to learn, so I'm not too worried there.

But yeah, aggressive Zerg is badass

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #310 on:** October 07, 2010, 12:44:19 PM »

Protoss is very easy to get accustomed to. Either 4 gate or 3 gate robo - BAM you've learned it. And it's so fun to warp in units.

I could also see you being able to pull off Phoenix harass better than I ever could.

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #311 on:** October 07, 2010, 09:10:05 PM »

Yeah I'm kinda glad I started playing Terran from the start, because I'd be overwhelmed at the insane amount of builds to choose from for them if I were just starting out.

I really llike Zerg's options in the late game, though. Nydus worms

I love that kind of sneaky play.

PD are you gonna play Cataclysm? I'm probably going to drop SC2 almost entirely for a while when the new Fallout comes out

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #312 on:** October 07, 2010, 10:20:47 PM »

Yup Cata heavy. But SC2 still will get plenty of time. Been busy this week tho

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #313 on:** October 14, 2010, 08:07:26 PM »

Quote

StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty – Patch 1.1.2

General

-Players will no longer receive achievement toasts while their status is set to "Busy."
-The messaging when attempting to load a saved game or replay from a previous version has been clarified
-Adjusted the amount of points earned and lost by random team participants to properly reflect the strength of a player's teammates.

Balance

PROTOSS
Buildings
-Nexus life and shields increased from 750/750 to 1000/1000.
Void Ray
-Damage level 1 increased from 5 to 6 (+4 armored).
-Damage level 2 decreased from 10 (+15 armored) to 8 (+8 armored).
-Flux Vanes speed upgrade bonus decreased from 1.125 to 0.703.
TERRAN
Buildings
-Barracks requirement changed from Command Center to Supply Depot.
-Supply Depot life increased from 350 to 400.
Medivac
-Acceleration reduced from 2.315 to 2.25.
-Speed reduced from 2.75 to 2.5.
Reaper
-Nitro Packs speed upgrade now has a Factory Requirement.
Thor
-Energy bar removed.
-250mm Strike Cannons is now cooldown-based on a 50-second cooldown. Ability starts with cooldown available (useable immediately after upgrade is researched).
ZERG
Buildings
-Hatchery life increased from 1250 to 1500.
-Lair life increased from 1800 to 2000.
-Spawning Pool life increased from 750 to 1000.
-Spire life increased from 600 to 850.
-Ultralisk Cavern life increased from 600 to 850.
Corruptor
-Energy bar removed.
-Corruption is now cooldown-based on a 45-second cooldown. Ability starts with cooldown expired (must wait for full 45-second cycle before usable).
Infestor
-Fungal Growth now prevents Blink.
Roach
-Range increased from 3 to 4.

Bug Fixes

-Fixed an issue where players could not cast the Feedback spell on Point Defense Drones.
-Fixed an issue where the Phoenix would continue to channel Graviton Beam after the target died.
-Fixed an issue that would cause Larvae to spawn and be hidden behind Zerg eggs.
-Fixed an issue where players were unable to navigate to the Single Player page or watch replays after canceling map downloads from the queue.
-Fixed a desync that could occur on user-created maps with custom mod dependencies.

Not a single change I can bitch about.

Blizzard

edit: Okay, okay, the changes to further weaken reapers in the early game are stupid and unnecessary, but I rarely cheese these days and was never all that big on reapers to begin with, so still no real complaint from me here

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #314 on:** October 14, 2010, 08:11:04 PM »

Mauraders and Thors still in the game? smh

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #315 on:** October 14, 2010, 08:18:54 PM »

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #316 on:** October 14, 2010, 08:40:56 PM »

Great changes

Haven't played in a while, but thank god voids were finally nerfed

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #317 on:** October 16, 2010, 07:17:23 PM »

MLG finals on
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/userstream.php?user=Rigid

Idra v Select (terran)

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #318 on:** October 16, 2010, 08:14:34 PM »

How close was it? I watched a lot earlier but missed the finals

GSL Season 2 also starts on Monday

cubicle47b · « **Reply #319 on:** October 16, 2010, 11:24:38 PM »

Idra crushed Select in the finals. Select looked pretty lost, TBH.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #320 on:** October 17, 2010, 02:06:10 AM »

Yea, Select looked completely out of his league against Idra. After shutting out HuK pretty convincingly. Hell, I thought he'd manage to frustrate Idra with pressure and ultimately win.

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #321 on:** October 17, 2010, 12:08:58 PM »

Man Select got knocked into the losers' bracket right at the start so he won like 10 series to get there. Idra dominated pretty much everyone though. Interested to see if he can do better in GSL this time around, especially now that the competition is getting harder. I can't believe he's flying all over the world like this for SC

Did anyone see the first game of Kiwikaki vs Idra? That thing with the warp prism was so badass

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #322 on:** October 18, 2010, 03:38:37 AM »

I want to see Idra v FruitSeller

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #323 on:** October 18, 2010, 01:18:23 PM »

Broke a nasty losing streak against a toss player. Against terran I go in expecting a tough loss or maybe a tough win, against zerg I go in expecting some bullshit that will cause me to lose, but against toss I go in expecting a cake walk. Unless they mass Cols without your knowledge, you pretty much know you're going to win.

14 pool 16 hatch on Scrap Station. Scouted him using chrono boost on his gateways so I expected a rush, but he came pretty late. I had two queens and some lings to handle it. Then he went Phoenixes and fucked me up a bit, but I had 3 queens at the time and quickly got 3 more. Wound up going Hydra/Roach/Infestor and losing to some High Templar nonsense (I wasn't paying attention and attacked his ramp/got roasted lol). He pushed but I had Ultralisks popping and quickly took him out.

The most potent toss build I've run into outside of mass Col/stalker was Phoenix/DT. That shit rocked my world

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #324 on:** October 18, 2010, 08:05:49 PM »

It's pretty crazy to think how far ultralisks have come from their state in the beta.

And I just happened to play some of my first real games in SC2 as Protoss last night. I'm comin for you

edit: Btw the video quality for the GSL feeds this season is incredible! Earlier I got to watch Boxer's glorious arrival to SC2 in yummy HD while having my morning coffee

Pringo · « **Reply #325 on:** October 18, 2010, 11:13:37 PM »

I didn't realize till today that the GSL is going to be split up to two different times per day. Now that they're airing matches at 9 PM here I'll actually be able to watch some of them live for the first time. Really sucks that this has to start the week I have five midterms to study for though.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #326 on:** October 19, 2010, 02:05:46 AM »

sc2>midterms get your priorities right good man

Saw Fruit Seller annihilate some dude. Then I saw some other zerg player embarrass himself lol

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #327 on:** October 19, 2010, 02:33:57 AM »

btw live stream of GSL day 2
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/userstream.php?user=Roffles

TLO is about to play

Schedule for rest of week:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=410502

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #328 on:** October 20, 2010, 07:32:09 PM »

Can't believe TLO got eliminated doing that shitty thor build. He should stick to that harass style that suits him so well

Seems like after that last patch that FE is going to become standard in TvZ, which is something I've already been playing with a little bit. It's funny -- I used to FE a shitton right at the start of beta, but then I started doing lots of one base play for a while because most of the maps in ladder were so dinky. Anyway, I dunno if I'm totally wrong here, but this is the closest the game has felt to being balanced since I've played. I guess we'll have a better idea after the coming GSL games

edit: Forgot to mention that the one bad thing about FE in SC2 is doing it on maps with a fucking back door. If you ever want a free win against me, pick Blistering Sands

cubicle47b · « **Reply #329 on:** October 20, 2010, 09:28:19 PM »

TLO's Thor build was awesome compared to the Hellion build that Clide used to eliminate himself.

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #330 on:** October 20, 2010, 09:43:56 PM »

Yeah I made that post before I got to watch that game. That was just awful. He's solid, but nowhere near as good as Tasteless and Artosis make it seem. Tournament favorite? looool

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #331 on:** October 20, 2010, 09:54:29 PM »

Wish I had more time to play.

And by that I wish I didn't watch every inning of playoff baseball.

ManaByte · « **Reply #332 on:** October 22, 2010, 09:00:15 PM »

No Heart of the Swarm in 2011. Just confirmed at BlizzCon.

Raban · « **Reply #333 on:** October 22, 2010, 10:30:58 PM »

Quote from: ManaByte on October 22, 2010, 09:00:15 PM

No Heart of the Swarm in 2011. Just confirmed at BlizzCon.

Need to make space for D3 mo'fucka!

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #334 on:** October 23, 2010, 01:30:55 AM »

Quote from: ManaByte on October 22, 2010, 09:00:15 PM

No Heart of the Swarm in 2011. Just confirmed at BlizzCon.

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #335 on:** October 23, 2010, 01:32:49 PM »

I'm alright with that if it means D3 in 2011. It probably won't, but w/e. Thinking from the multiplayer angle, I dunno how well implementing new units within a year would go when high level play is still so raw and only just starting to take shape. I'm not eager to fork over another $60 to continue playing this online either, so the later the better for now

btw Boxer vs FruitDealer was epic, and anyone that missed it needs to check it out. I know this is some hardcore nerd shit here but I was getting goosebumps watching Boxer's micro when he was pushing across the map and his units were spread out and moving EXACTLY THE SAME as when he was microing his marines against the then-best Zerg in the world almost a decade ago. Remember when Don Draper was talking about the bond of nostalgia between a consumer and a product? He was right! They totally have me on the hook at this point and I don't even care

Fan service

Blizzard

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #336 on:** October 23, 2010, 01:33:48 PM »

Pringo · « **Reply #337 on:** October 23, 2010, 02:08:11 PM »

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=163209

Hmm, already some big SCII progamer drama. Apparently the team WeRRa manager invited one of his players to his house and then tried to rape him while he was sleeping. The guy got out of there and told the rest of the team and now they're quitting WeRRa en masse. Looks like WeRRa's going to be gone pretty soon because of this.

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #338 on:** October 23, 2010, 02:27:29 PM »

HOLY SHIT

edit: Wow he's 16. This is like the high school football coach that molests his players in the locker room

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #339 on:** October 23, 2010, 10:12:18 PM »

I'll have to watch the Blizzcon matches tonight.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #340 on:** October 24, 2010, 02:42:05 AM »

[youtube=560,345]MKtjceMzHhM[/youtube]
watching now

So cool having Day9 and his brother Artosis casting together. Not a big fan of Artosis but he has his moments lol

edit: holy shittt

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #341 on:** October 24, 2010, 01:27:31 PM »

FruitDealer is a fucking animal, wow.

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #342 on:** October 24, 2010, 02:50:18 PM »

The game on Metalopolis was even more insane if you didn't see

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

I actually think Artosis is the best like color commentary-type guy there is. I've heard him talking about stuff with Terran that I didn't even know about, and he tends to make a lot of good points in general. It's kinda crowded with three people though I think lol

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #343 on:** October 24, 2010, 02:53:19 PM »

I watched that one too

I couldn't believe FruitDealer expanding...

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #344 on:** October 24, 2010, 04:19:54 PM »

I think I'm gonna try to get better with both Protoss and Zerg. I'll be happy if I can get as good with Zerg and Protoss as I am with Terran now

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #345 on:** October 24, 2010, 08:28:49 PM »

Yea I saw that video. Watching Fruit Dealer as a zerg is like watching Joe Lewis as a black person in the 40s or whatever. So much pride

ManaByte · « **Reply #346 on:** October 24, 2010, 09:26:13 PM »

Fruit Dealer taught me how awesome creep can be.

Pringo · « **Reply #347 on:** October 24, 2010, 10:05:41 PM »

Really sucks for FruitDealer that his compulsory military service period is apparently coming up pretty soon. It'll be incredibly hard for him to get back to the top after almost two years away without practice.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #348 on:** October 25, 2010, 01:33:06 AM »

Quote from: Pringo on October 24, 2010, 10:05:41 PM

Really sucks for FruitDealer that his compulsory military service period is apparently coming up pretty soon. It'll be incredibly hard for him to get back to the top after almost two years away without practice.

Wow that sucks. Boxer started a league while in the air force, maybe Fruit Dealer can do something like that. Still, it's a shame he might be leaving the pro circuit basically right as his dominance began.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #349 on:** October 25, 2010, 03:04:02 PM »

Catching up with GSL round of 32

Just saw Idra's first game.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Utter destruction of terran. God damn, the Muta play was godly. Nice Roach play in the second game. I've had some success with Roaches in mid/late game but I can't get it to work early, outside of rushes. Typically if I go Roaches I find myself getting behind

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CheckPrime looked great too.

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #350 on:** October 25, 2010, 07:42:35 PM »

I just noticed Idra looks like Boogie

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #351 on:** October 30, 2010, 02:18:37 AM »

gsl spoilerz

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Idra got destroyed wow. Some very interesting play though, especially the Overseer harass. I'm trying that next time I play ZvZ

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Personally I haaate ZvZ. Typically is a bullshit match of rushes and cheese, or if it's a standard game I wind up getting swamped.

ManaByte · « **Reply #352 on:** October 30, 2010, 04:46:56 AM »

just had the most awesome ragequit.

I speedling rushed a toss player and he said "GOOD FUCKING GAME" before ragequitting.

Mandark · « **Reply #353 on:** October 30, 2010, 10:54:33 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2010, 03:04:02 PM

Catching up with GSL round of 32

It's fun watching the top level play while the game is still relatively new and the strategies aren't set in stone.

Zerg seemed like it was at a big disadvantage, especially against Terran, then Fruit Dealer's all "let me explain how to play" and people start mimicking his early expansions and harassment defense (I know I did).

Then the next tournament, he gets beat by a player who probably isn't as good, but uses a different kind of early aggression than someone like HopeTorture. Which is how it should be; an econ-heavy build should be risky and force you to make some tradeoffs.

Meanwhile, the only Zerg to win in the round of 16 outside of the mirror matches did it playing a really aggressive style, very different from FD. I'm looking forward to the Kyrix vs. fake Boxer match cause they play so similar to each other, and differently from what was becoming the standard style.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #354 on:** November 01, 2010, 02:10:35 AM »

I watch most of the matches here; he uploads them after they stream which rocks for us people who can't stay up all night to watch the games.
http://www.livestream.com/tuski

Fruit Dealer is an amazing player, but 14hatch is so dangerous it was going to catch up with him sooner or later. It works on some maps like Scrap Station (against terran) but is rather tricky to pull off, especially when your opponent knows exactly what you're going to do. Can't wait to see how his game evolves. It's been fun watching Idra switch things up, given how stale his play style was during the beta and early phases of the game's release.

edit: had a long day, then came home and lost 5 games in a row. Came back a couple hours later and lost again, then some more. Went from 12 games above .500 to 2 games above .500. I always know I'm getting fucked when I get a bunch of ZvZ matches in a row. I just can't play that shit. It's either cheese or some bullshit, I'm horrible at it.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #355 on:** November 01, 2010, 01:58:48 PM »

gsl round of 8

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Kyrix v Fake Boxer might be the best SC2 set I've seen holy shit. Amazing micro from Fake Boxer, holy shit. Kryrix did some great stuff too, but at the same time I couldn't believe how one dimensional his play was at times. If you're getting micro'd to death by Marines, how do you NOT make Infestors? They could have entirely changed the outcome of the series. When he saw Banelings/Lings/Muta wasn't working, he went Roach which was a nice counter to mass Marine. But after that stopped being effective he kept throwing the same units against that micro mayhem. ggaahhhhrrrr

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Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #356 on:** November 06, 2010, 12:52:28 AM »

wow, the semi finals were insane

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Foxer completely decimated HopeTorture. I really expected a tough series considering how aggressive both players are, but Foxer was consistently steps ahead. After that series I really didn't think Foxer was beatable.

Then I watched the NesTea v Slayers_Boxer match. Wow, you don't see such a great player get manhandled and frustrated that easily.

Can't wait for the finals. Zerg v Terran, easily the best matchup in the game imo

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OptimoPeach · « **Reply #357 on:** November 06, 2010, 01:15:39 AM »

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Fake Boxer's builds are so crazy. Sad to see HopeTorture go, but I think TvT is probably his worst match-up.

And yeah, NesTea is pretty scary. I'm interested to see how he deals with that marine spam

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OptimoPeach · « **Reply #358 on:** November 08, 2010, 08:04:39 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2010, 02:10:35 AM

edit: had a long day, then came home and lost 5 games in a row. Came back a couple hours later and lost again, then some more. Went from 12 games above .500 to 2 games above .500. I always know I'm getting fucked when I get a bunch of ZvZ matches in a row. I just can't play that shit. It's either cheese or some bullshit, I'm horrible at it.

Came into this thread to post almost the exact same thing and then remembered you already said it for me last week

Dropped from +15 to +6 or something embarrassing over the past ~30 games. Probably just a combination of me playing less, everyone else getting better, blah blah blah, but that doesn't make it any less frustrating.

It's times like this that have me missing when single player games not named Fallout could hold my attention for more than an hour

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #359 on:** November 09, 2010, 12:49:52 PM »

So tired of ZvZ. Over the last four days I've only lost one game against zerg, but still. Basically all I've been doing is one base pushes with 20-22 Roaches; I make sure to have a couple Queens and spore colonies in my base to counter any Muta attacks. The mass Roach play has only lost once for me: on Jungle Basin which is too big a map to get away with the rush. Only thing you have to do is ensure your Roaches don't get surrounded: once I hit someone's base I try to position myself either between his buildings or mineral line in a phalanx or ball; if you rush in with your Roaches in single file, they get surrounded easily and can't do ranged damage.

My other strategy is to just wait for my opponent to expand, then mass some Roaches or speedlings and crush him.

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Author Topic: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT| (Read 64461 times)