Author Topic: Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of bitching about terran |OT| (Read 64361 times)

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #360 on:** November 10, 2010, 08:32:46 PM »

I still skip every ZvZ match in GSL, MLG, etc. Not even the best players in the world can make it entertaining. Can't imagine what it's like actually having to play it

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #361 on:** November 13, 2010, 07:54:47 PM »

GSL finals: greatest SC2 match ever

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #362 on:** November 22, 2010, 07:11:06 PM »

GSL season 3
round of 64 matches (so far)
http://www.livestream.com/fixnstreamingdastuff/video?clipId=pla_9a3baef0-1171-4c18-a8ac-a95ffceccbe6&utm_source=lslibrary&utm_medium=ui-thumb

first game was very tense

Mandark · « **Reply #363 on:** November 23, 2010, 01:57:42 AM »

It's the season of SCV rushes!

:koreacry

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #364 on:** November 23, 2010, 12:12:09 PM »

Really don't get their ZvT openings. If you're going to go 14 hatch you have to be ready for a rush; the minute the second hatch pops you have to get a well placed spine crawler down or you're gonna be in trouble. In one of the games a Zerg survived with a couple crawlers and banelings, which is definitely a good idea.

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #365 on:** November 23, 2010, 07:45:31 PM »

Maaan I was doing 2 rax -> marine + SCV push -> FE like a week before this season even started. I'm so prescient and ahead of the curve

Yeah any straight up free wins you see from this are either build order wins (hatch first lolo) or the Zerg just really handling it poorly. Zerg absolutely has a fair chance of defending assuming they aren't so greedy as to go hatch first, and as my boy Rainbow unfortunately demonstrated last night, even that isn't to say that hatch first = free win 100% of the time. It isn't much different from any other all-in we've seen.

I'm honestly kinda disappointed that more players are opting for the pure all-in rather than playing with the flexibility and mind games that 2 rax can allow depending on the circumstances. I don't think it's inaccurate to say that with the current state of the metagame, most people upon scouting 2 rax and no gas are going to be too worried and too focused on defending the impending rush to consider something else -- like what if Terran just fast expanded as soon as he got the 2 rax down and your scouts out of his base? What if he canceled the second rax before it finished, threw up double gas, and went for 2 port banshee instead? What if he went blue hellions? It seems like it would be so simple to just feign aggression to get the Zerg player scared and then do some really funky tech switch. Then again, maybe Zerg players have practiced such possibilities and the pressure from the typical 2 rax stuff is just too much to pass up. I dunno. I myself actually pull less than half of my SCV's when I do this and then fast expand behind the pressure. Mules off my one orbital keep me even with Zerg, my push ideally puts me ahead because Zerg is wasting larva on static d and lings, and then I really start to gain an edge when I get my second orbital and mule up.

I actually made a marine/baneling micro map in the map editor so I can pull out those gosu marine splits when I want to make some panties wet

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #366 on:** November 26, 2010, 03:56:33 AM »

The Clide v Leenock match was fucking amazing. Everyone has to see the first game of the series (watching g2 now), perfect TvZ with no quick game changing cheese.

game 2: fuck Lost Temple man. Another great game but still, hate that map

game 3: this is better than the GSL 2 finals, holy shit

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #367 on:** November 26, 2010, 08:03:38 PM »

Yeah in retrospect that should not have been a Ro64 match lol. I thought Leenock was just some scrub after last season. Epic, epic games, especially compared to a lot of the other matches

The Ro32 started today and they bracketed NesTea with Sen, the Zerg that was probably one of the best players in the world at one point in beta. Wtf. And not only does one of them have to get eliminated, but it's ZvZ. WTF. Also, DreamHack starts tonight and the only two Korean players in the entire tournament (who are both capable of making it to the semifinals with relative ease) are bracketed to play each other. They're also from the same team. Swedes scared of having no Euros in their finals

edit: I actually saw players do pretty much everything I was rambling about in regard to 2 rax in the last few days of games

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #368 on:** December 01, 2010, 03:59:31 PM »

I'm watching the first game of the Idra v IMmvp match, had to pause and post: during the beta I thought Idra was very good, but very one dimensional. His play style was predictable while players like Dimaga and TLO were trying new things and making them work. That's not the case anymore though, as Idra has livened his style up and adapts better to opponents.

There have been so many TvZ matches this season, and often they come down to the same thing: 14 hatch, two rax push and/or SCV rush. So far (not finished with the game) Idra is handling the timing push perfectly. I've noticed Fruitdealer and other zerg do the exact same thing over and over, and if the terran player is good they punish them. Getting Baneling Speed is a must, if you're going Banelings. Putting your Banelings Nest in the natural is dangerous - it can easily be taken out of the timing attack goes well for the terran. Finally, getting a spine crawler up immediately is a must. Idra did all those things early in this game. /tip hat

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edit: Idra lost the first game. Great tank placement, although it looked like Idra could have taken it out with his Mutas, dunno why he retreated.

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OptimoPeach · « **Reply #369 on:** December 01, 2010, 10:20:33 PM »

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I can't fault Idra for losing a series to mvp. Anyone good enough to take a game off of Flash in Brood War is gonna be a beast at SC2

And yeah on baneling speed. Can't describe how much scarier it is to see that.

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Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #370 on:** December 02, 2010, 01:22:59 AM »

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Hate seeing Idra go out again due to bad luck in bracket placement. He probably advances against just about any other (non-zerg) player there. Amazing terran play

Seems kinda wide open so far. Really impressed by Leenrock but I can't help but think he'll be outsmarted by a more experienced player eventually. Jinro looks great, July looks scary good. About to watch the SlayersBoxer match

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Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #371 on:** January 16, 2011, 06:16:25 PM »

Think I need to change my in-game avatar from the black guy, people seem to know I'm black. Hence the n-bombs I've been getting

Working on ZvP. I keep coming back to this video
http://mrbitter.blip.tv/file/4447419/

14 pool, 16 hatch seems to be working. I've been rolled over a few times by 4 gates, but it has put me in a good position to stop it most of the time. At least so far; next week I'll probably be breaking shit as the build fails over and over.

I'm also getting +1 ranged/defense a lot faster. Just gotta survive that first 4 gate push, then by the time they attack again you'll be ready with more units and upgrades

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #372 on:** January 16, 2011, 09:59:58 PM »

Kids these days

I remember just not saying glhf was considered bad manners back in the BW days

Thanks for that link btw. I've been trying to learn Zerg just from GSL and practice, but I'm making less progress than I'd like to be, so I should probably start looking for more instructional stuff like this.

I still can't decide what I want to play now, though. Zerg is hard as fuck! As strong as larva inject is, it's such a feat to just make it to the mid-game and secure a third base. I definitely empathize with all the TERRAN IMBA comments, but I think almost all of that these days stems from these huge timing pushes that come right as you're trying to get a third up. The potential for aggression by Terran in that window is just crazy scary. But then if I manage to fend off that push and keep my third, I feel like I'm in pretty good shape. Many Terran players will fade if you can drag them into a macro game because they're so accustomed to either winning or losing after that one big push. My problem is I usually get into an advantageous spot, try to force a win, and it costs me. I dunno if I'm patient enough to be a good Zerg player

ManaByte · « **Reply #373 on:** January 18, 2011, 08:18:46 PM »

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

Impressive mod.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #374 on:** January 19, 2011, 12:09:39 AM »

damn it got taken down.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #375 on:** January 19, 2011, 03:36:11 PM »

Anyone watching GSL? I'm behind, and some has been spoiled but holy shit @ the round of 16 so far

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #376 on:** January 19, 2011, 09:15:04 PM »

Yeah I'm up to date on GSL. It's been pretty good throughout from Ro32 on. I picked MVP to take it all after Ro32

Sucks there still aren't many Zerg players good enough to make it to Ro16. That will change in time, though

bachikarn · « **Reply #377 on:** January 19, 2011, 10:36:52 PM »

How do you watch the GSL replays?

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #378 on:** January 19, 2011, 11:02:50 PM »

I just pay the $15 or whatever it is to watch all the games in high quality on the gomtv site. You can find some on YouTube if you don't mind watching just random tournament games in no order

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[youtube=560,345]pIEAIx5tK30[/youtube]

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This guy has uploaded quite a few: http://www.youtube.com/user/eltereding#p/search

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #379 on:** January 20, 2011, 12:17:41 PM »

I use
http://www.justin.tv/tpfour/videos?page=4

Good quality, and the guy has all the maps from code S and A. Just look for the 1hr+ videos and go in alphabetical order (round of 32 Code S group A etc) if you want to start from the beginning. Plus he has the individual maps, but I just watch the full cast.

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #380 on:** January 22, 2011, 12:37:32 PM »

Honestly I think the main reason I pay is just because these Koreans and their crazy bandwidth get all the VODs up within three or four hours of the games being played, so I can watch games in the morning before work that were played the night before. One of my favorite parts of the day is getting out of the shower at 5:45, making a cup of coffee, and then watching SC for like a half hour

Btw Nada vs MarineKing had some of the most bizarre games I've seen at a pro level. The Code A finals have been pretty damn good from what I've watched so far too, although it's probably more standard TvT than the Nada and MarineKing games

Pringo · « **Reply #381 on:** January 29, 2011, 12:54:00 AM »

For those of you who care, the GSL season 4 finals are on in about 10 minutes: http://www.gomtv.net/

The OSL finals are on tonight too, but I don't know if I want to stay up that late to catch all of it. TL says they're on at 18:00 KST. Should be a good night for StarCraft.

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #382 on:** January 29, 2011, 01:18:25 AM »

Yeah I am sooooo hyped for the GSL finals even though it's TvT. Gonna say MVP 4-2

Stork is an old favorite, and it's funny that the only other time he won OSL gold, it was against fantasy. That's probably gonna run too late for me but I'll definitely catch them tomorrow. I haven't watched BW really since SC2 came out

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #383 on:** January 29, 2011, 08:07:00 PM »

[youtube=560,345]lsgQaw3DIqk[/youtube]

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #384 on:** January 29, 2011, 09:04:00 PM »

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #385 on:** January 29, 2011, 09:39:55 PM »

Btw GSL and OSL were both pretty disappointing

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #386 on:** January 29, 2011, 10:02:07 PM »

Only been able to find one of the games from the finals (g2). Looks like I'll be buying a gom ticket soon lol. Should I just wait for next season though? Seems like the smart thing to do.

I'm just gonna spoil the finals for myself if I can't find them online for free. There's no way that girly boy can beat MVP lol

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #387 on:** January 30, 2011, 09:17:26 PM »

Yeah just wait for next season. I tried to find them to show a friend yesterday and Google kept coming up with like WWE stuff for some reason

Spoilers if you want

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4-0 MVP. MVP made MarineKing look like a total noob. Wasn't close, wasn't incredibly entertaining. It's fun to watch to see just how much MVP outclasses pretty much everyone at the moment, but don't expect a dynamic series.

I think MVP will be the first player to repeat. This guy is something like 32-4 in January against top competition.

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Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #388 on:** January 31, 2011, 01:56:57 AM »

Yea I saw game 2, pretty one-sided lol

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MVP looks unstoppable, but then again someone always does during the tournament. I thought MC was gonna destroy everyone and possibly repeat lol

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Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #389 on:** February 04, 2011, 02:28:47 PM »

Idra vs MVP

http://www.justin.tv/eg_idra/b/278892299 (Idra's stream/pov)
(skip to 46min mark)

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Amazing game. MVP basically let Idra play a macro game, which never is a good idea. By the time that mass of Mutas arrived the game was in Idra's favor until the end. I wonder how a more mech heavy (shit ton of Thors) might have played out.

That Infestor play was brilliant. They haven't been utilized much in Korean tournament play I've seen, but they work so well against the ridiculous marine/maurader micro a lot of terran have.

In a tournament MVP would probably pressure more, and ultimately win imo. Regardless, Idra dominating a game against him is another sign that he's just getting better and better. Will the next GSL follow the same group elimination format as the last one? I really think it benefited Idra and could continue to do so

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OptimoPeach · « **Reply #390 on:** February 04, 2011, 10:33:30 PM »

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Idra is a monster. I do wonder if he gets tournament jitters or something, though. I picked him to take out Jinro, and he ended up having some really ugly, uncharacteristic losses in that series. There was also a time I was watching his stream and he got matched up with oGsZenio, a really good Zerg player that had outplayed him hard and knocked him out of the most recent GSL, and he just annihilated that guy.

It's crazy how much better he's gotten since the beta.

And yeah, they're sticking to the same format as before. I think it's group matches for Ro32 and Ro16 in both Code S and Code A and then normal series from Ro8 on, but I can't remember. It was way confusing at first, but I like how they have it set up now

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Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #391 on:** February 05, 2011, 12:24:04 AM »

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I don't think it's jitters. IMO his "no bullshit" serious play style doesn't translate well in a series, at least as zerg; protoss or terran could get away with that. If he can macro on a decent map, most likely he's going to win; he doesn't take many bad chances, and is rather predictable in the early game. But when he's pressured or not allowed to play a certain way, he folds.

My brothers and I argued endlessly over the first Jinro/Idra game in their group. I honestly felt like Idra would have destroyed Jinro, but got fucked over by map selection (Jungle Basin); Idra played very very well despite the map, but just couldn't pull it off. So when they met in the Ro8 and Idra won the first game handily, I felt like I was about to be justified. The next games pissed me off and really showed Idra's weakness. You can beat him outright with a cheese or an early pressure attack. When you mix those two variables with map selection that might produce maps that are biased against zerg the odds are stacked against him.

And that doesn't even take into account ZvZ, which can throw anyone off. I definitely think he's good enough to win a tournament, but I just don't think he will due to those factors.

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OptimoPeach · « **Reply #392 on:** February 05, 2011, 12:52:33 AM »

Yeah I'll concede that with the maps. At this point, the maps probably have more of an effect on the outcome than whatever minor balance issues there still are from match-up to match-up. More like Shakuras Plateau would be awesome

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #393 on:** February 05, 2011, 01:47:16 AM »

Agreed. I still grumble about Mules and Mauraders and Protoss death balls, but ultimately maps can determine wins/loses more than that stuff.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #394 on:** February 05, 2011, 05:19:42 PM »

Starcraft: Wings of Something thread of Optimo and PD talking to each other

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #395 on:** February 05, 2011, 05:56:36 PM »

This game is about as popular here as SC2 is in Korea :'(

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #396 on:** February 05, 2011, 08:52:03 PM »

Quote from: OptimoPeach on February 05, 2011, 05:56:36 PM

This game is about as popular here as SC2 is in Korea :'(

Ha I watched the OSL finals recently and was amazed at how large the crowds were as compared to SC2 gsl events. SC2 still hasn't completely taken over I guess? I'm not familiar with the BW pro scene

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #397 on:** February 07, 2011, 09:57:35 PM »

Yeah it's a realllllly slow transition. It'll die eventually lol

GSTL is going on now but the games mostly suck from what I've seen so far. New maps, though!

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #398 on:** February 08, 2011, 12:43:07 AM »

SC2 or SC1 die eventually? It seems like SC2 is just beginning to dominate the pro gaming circuit in the US. MLG is fully on board, and their 50k first place prize should attract some great competition. Obviously GSL will still rule, but eventually MLG will be a premier tournament as well.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #399 on:** February 08, 2011, 01:56:49 PM »

March Code S GSL groups revealed
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191009

Group A is stacked.

poor FruitDealer

Mandark · « **Reply #400 on:** February 10, 2011, 11:50:30 PM »

They actually had a group selection special, where the players picked. The eight quarterfinalists from the last GSL each got to pick their group and one opponent, then those eight chosen opponents got to choose one more player for the group, and so on.

It's a great format because it encourages gamesmanship and trash talk, and gives you a bunch of fun little sub-plots. Group A is loaded because July got all ballsy and picked MC when there were much weaker players left. Clide and Idra were trash talking, Genius said he'd make it an all-Protoss group before he picked FruitDealer, TheBest warned HongUn that he and Nada were going to come up with some great builds to show him, only to have HongUn say "Good, I'll just four-gate those builds every game".

Can you imagine how great it would be if the NBA adopted this for the playoffs?

PS You want to watch the GSL team league finals. You want to very much.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #401 on:** February 11, 2011, 02:35:10 PM »

I'll have to started watching. Been avoiding it after hearing it kinda one sided at times.

July is pretty awesome. I basically build Corrupters regardless of whether Toss has Cols out because of his playstyle; very effective early counter to Immortals and scares them away from getting Cols.

Pringo · « **Reply #402 on:** February 12, 2011, 10:12:33 PM »

Team Liquid just announced the Asian zerg invites for the TSL 3: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=192589

FruitDealer
HayprO
IdrA
NesTea
Ret

Pretty crazy lineup so far. I think they already have the winners of the first three GSLs confirmed to be playing. Should be the best non-Korean SCII tournament to date. Makes me wonder if MLG is gonna be stacked this year too after they announced the gigantic prize pool for their finals tournament.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #403 on:** February 13, 2011, 12:09:52 AM »

Oh wow, what a lineup so far. And yea, MLG should have a pretty impressive lineup as well. That prize pool really shows that the game is beginning to take over the pro gaming scene in the US, and it'll only get bigger now that more Koreans should be tempted to come over and compete.

GSL, TSL, MLG. Would be awesome if someone managed a triple crown and won all three in the same year lol

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #404 on:** February 16, 2011, 03:52:19 AM »

[youtube=560,345]KIxP-KQXEOI[/youtube]
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=193510

whoa whoa whoa, big move. The NA scene certainly seems like it's about to boom. The expansion of MLG, TSL becoming a premier tournament with global reach, and the possibility of an official NA league all points to this. Idra, Ret, and others have complained in the past about Korea just having the GSL and nothing to do in the months leading to the next one. These big NA tourneys alongside Dreamhack in Europe will be more tempting.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #405 on:** February 19, 2011, 08:01:53 PM »

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holy fuck

Pringo · « **Reply #406 on:** February 19, 2011, 09:03:53 PM »

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=194480

The final Asian TSL 3 invites announced a little while ago. Terran players this time.

BoxeR
Jinro
Loner
MVP
NaDa

I'm still surprised at some of the big names they were able to get for the tournament. Should be awesome.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #407 on:** February 19, 2011, 09:29:33 PM »

I'm more excited for TSL3 than any other SC2 tournament ever, lol. Amazing lineup so far.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #408 on:** February 21, 2011, 02:17:34 PM »

GSL started last night. Anyone got any links? I'm gonna have to buy the damn stream at this rate lol

Pringo · « **Reply #409 on:** February 21, 2011, 05:16:04 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 21, 2011, 02:17:34 PM

GSL started last night. Anyone got any links? I'm gonna have to buy the damn stream at this rate lol

I used to get the games here: http://simple-night-21.heroku.com/

I'm not sure if he's still uploading though. Haven't downloaded any since like season three. I bought the tickets the last two seasons since they reduced the price to like $10.

Also, Jinro vs. IdrA showmatch is on right now. iNcontroL's apparently announcing something big after the game (North American league?) which should be cool.

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #410 on:** February 21, 2011, 07:16:55 PM »

Haven't played SC2 in like a month aside from beating on some bronze baddies on my friend's account a couple weeks ago

GSTL semis and finals were CRAZY

Can't believe Idra is leaving Korea but at the same time I can. I was always thinking how inconvenient it was for him to have to fly across the world for MLG and stuff

and omg I forgot about the new GSL season

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #411 on:** February 22, 2011, 01:03:25 AM »

The Jinro/Idra showmatch was kinda disappointing.

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I was pretty hyped due to Idra's complete dismantling of MVP a couple weeks ago; I really wanted to see that type of dynamic zerg play against Jinro. Yet for most of the games today he reverted back to his same old, stagnant play and got rolled over. I watch Idra's stream whenever I can, and whenever he plays against terran he destroys them with muta/baneling/ling. That's definitely the main strategy zerg have in the match, I'm not denying that. But today Idra basically played like he was facing some random dude from ladder. He didn't get upgrades for his Mutas, he wasn't teching, and he wasn't aggressive enough on the ground.

Jinro destroyed him in straight up macro games. Especially the game where he fast expanded and went mass Thor. Idra scouted that shit early and STILL stuck with Muta/ling. It makes no sense: how do you not go Ultra or Brood Lord against that type of play? Roaches can handle a few Thors, but once someone gets 5+ you have to get Hive tech.

Basically the only time he impressed was on Lost Temple where he got Infestors to shut down Jinro's great Marine micro, and had Brood Lord tech ready just in case things went bad.

Jinro is the best foreigner, it's not even close. I'm not going to make excuses for Idra anymore. Jinro beat Idra at his own game.

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OptimoPeach · « **Reply #412 on:** February 24, 2011, 09:22:10 AM »

Was it a series or just one game? I was gonna try to track it down but I might not even bother. Can't even keep up with GSL matches right now.

Speaking of which

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MVP

Got caught at like the worst possible time against July not once but twice. I guess he isn't going to repeat lolo

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Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #413 on:** February 25, 2011, 12:16:06 AM »

I feel like breaking my computer. Just got eliminated from the gaf tournament, 2-1. Won the first game, got 4gated/lost the second. Had the third game in the fucking bag but DT play made me panic, I wasted all my gas on overseers, secured my bases from them only to be caught moving by his entire army. jesus fuck

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #414 on:** February 25, 2011, 08:06:49 PM »

I should start reading the GAF thread more. I always miss the tournaments.

But yeah I don't blame you for panicking over DTs. I know that feeling when you realize you have no detection. At least banshees run out of energy eventually

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #415 on:** March 06, 2011, 02:55:31 PM »

GSL March talk time

Finally decided to buy a ticket and it's been great. The standard quality is fine, and no more having to scour the internet for videos that will be taken down by GOM soon. Just finished the round of 32 of S and A, spoilers ahead

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Wow lots of upsets; the up-and-down matches are going to be epic indeed. Didn't expect MVP to go out to such unlucky mistakes. There's so much parity among the players that it's hard to imagine someone dominating multiple GSLs regardless of how good they look. I thought MC looked unbeatable after he won, then thought the same about MVP. Speaking of which, seeing MarineKing get ousted was also a shocker; he looked scary as hell in that first game against Kyrix.

I wonder if Idra is kicking himself right now. With so many upsets he could have been poised to make a nice run.

on Code A, I've basically just watched the players I'm interested in. Ret, Leenock, Huk, Haypro etc. I thought Ret was a lock for code S after he stomped through the Assembly tournament :'(

Leenock

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Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #416 on:** March 12, 2011, 08:32:38 PM »

round of 8 talk

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July v Nada was pretty good, at least from my perspective as a zerg player. Nada didn't play particularly well overall, but then again neither did July. His aggressive style is super exciting but I really question some of the decision making. Against Clide in the Ro16 for instance he was dropping banelings on tanks and Thors. Here he threw many away on tanks. On the latest State of The Game podcast, Idra criticized the play style and argued it would fail hard on mech. Obviously true, and I'd love to see whether July would switch up his style against a better terran like Jinro.

The low drone count was also pretty puzzling. July had full map control in multiple games - popping out extra drones would have been easy.

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Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #417 on:** March 19, 2011, 03:15:58 AM »

GSL finals on right now, two games done. Don't see a link, I'm just using Gom TV

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http://www.justin.tv/sypher23?utm_source=broadcast_callout&utm_medium=channel&utm_campaign=tos_promo_clicks#/w/980987824/2

Pringo · « **Reply #418 on:** March 19, 2011, 04:24:41 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2011, 03:15:58 AM

GSL finals on right now, two games done. Don't see a link, I'm just using Gom TV

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http://www.justin.tv/sypher23?utm_source=broadcast_callout&utm_medium=channel&utm_campaign=tos_promo_clicks#/w/980987824/2

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Well July got completely manhandled there. MC's force fields were so nuts. Kinda hoping we'll get to see some closer GSL finals sometime soon. The last few have all been so one-sided and I keep hoping that they'll transition into some more epic macro style games but it hasn't really been happening so far. Oh well.

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Also the TSL 3 starts tomorrow. Don't really know what to expect as far as the quality of these early games goes but hopefully they're good.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #419 on:** March 19, 2011, 05:41:21 AM »

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It basically went as most people expected. July's run was fun, but his decision making at times is quite questionable. I really couldn't possibly imagine him getting away with his style against someone like MC. Unless he becomes more solid in his macro I don't see him doing well in the future GSLs. That hyper aggressive style certainly works against Terran but right now a good toss is going to snuff that stuff out easily.

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Really excited for the TSL. In some ways it's a preview of what we could see in the NASL, so I'm definitely curious and hyped. Really want to see how the Koreans do. I think Boxer could go out in the first round tomorrow, while FruitDealer will probably win. Overall though, if lag isn't too much of a problem MC has to be the favorite. LiquidTyler is also a very very good toss

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