The Official Psychoanalysis GAF Thread

[Momo]

preferring the ghost in the shell tv series is also at odds with good taste so the point stands

In what way is the film better? then again i haven't seen it since i was a teenager

Pacing is better, it's more focused, no cartoon villains like

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TLM and Hideo Kuze. Laughable that  they both turn out "good". Kuze's past is also lolsomes

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. I loved both Gigs of SAC but the film is better for me.

[Himu]

i'll watch it again. like i said, i haven't seen it in like 10 years.

[Momo]

Try not to get the buttfuck edition. (ghost in the shell 2.0 )

[thisismyusername]

Planetes [hard scifi, lots of outer space with realistic physics and the like]

Manga's good. I've heard the anime is very different. You happen to know how different?

preferring the ghost in the shell tv series is also at odds with good taste so the point stands

In what way is the film better? then again i haven't seen it since i was a teenager

Pacing is better, it's more focused, no cartoon villains like

spoiler (click to show/hide)

TLM and Hideo Kuze. Laughable that  they both turn out "good". Kuze's past is also lolsomes

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. I loved both Gigs of SAC but the film is better for me.

But in GitS1--

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The hacker also turns out to be a grey but leaning toward-"good" as well. The hacker AI (forgetting it's name) only wanted to break out of Section 9's little area and live it's own life.

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Which was the whole point of the movie, really.

I haven't seen 2:Innocence but the first GitS was kinda disjointed and the TV series is better in being easier to "follow." I guess if you haven't read the manga the whole "Section 9/6 blah blah blah" bits can throw you a little.

[Himu]

PLANETES IS NOT HARD SCI-FI

[thisismyusername]

PLANETES IS NOT HARD SCI-FI

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_science_fiction

Even the wikipedia article disagrees with your disagreement, himumu. Shush.

Hard science fiction is a category of science fiction characterized by an emphasis on scientific or technical detail, or on scientific accuracy, or on both

Which Planetes (at least the Manga) has. It's not "hard" hard but it attempts to be "realistic" in terms of space life and what space life would be like given stuff breaking off in space could be catastrophic if it was caught in the Earth orbit.

But that isn't the point, the point Rumbler is making is that it's still a good anime that isn't all tropes.

[Himu]

First half of Planetes is kind of silly hijinks with the occasional mission. Second half is more technical stuff with a lot of more interesting things to say about astronauts and the stuff they have to deal with on top of space travel.

Fine, I concede!

Second half of Planetes is GOAT material. Second half is the type of thing that makes me hope for better space travel opportunities. That and Space Brothers. Those shows make me sad about the current NASA situation.

[cool breeze]

Planetes [hard scifi, lots of outer space with realistic physics and the like]

Manga's good. I've heard the anime is very different. You happen to know how different?

Quite different.  Tone of the manga is actually a lot lighter than the anime.  There are new characters in the anime, and Ai herself is different and introduced at the start.  It's largely the same story but plays out very differently and serious.  It's still goofy at times, like zero gravity mock ninja fights with hobos, but it gets darker after all the exposition and stuff is settled.  Also the endings are different (manga continues beyond the anime).

I'm not sure what iteration of "break into anime list in an unrelated thread" we're on.  From what I gather people are asking anime that break away from tropes or something? or 'deep' anime?

[Joe Molotov]

Devo, here's the only anime you ever need to watch:

Cowboy Bebop
Reign: The Conqueor
Speed Racer

You're already 1/3rd of the way through the list, so good job.

[parallax]

Devo, here's the only anime you ever need to watch:

Cowboy Bebop
Reign: The Conqueor
Speed Racer

You're already 1/3rd of the way through the list, so good job.

why is reign the conqueror listed so high? that show did nothing for me, and i loved aeon flux. the same with witch hunter robin. that show is trash

a show that suprised me based on its source material is gungrave. based on the game, i was not expecting that much depth in the characters.

[Phoenix Dark]

i dunno, I think Helga from Hey Arnold is kind of the trend setter for the tsundere (sp?) otaku bait

The female archetypes in so many animes annoy the ever living piss out of me. Everything from their voices to grown women acting like 12 year olds to 12 year olds being sexualized. Shit's gross. I only bother to watch shit like Cowboy Bebop.

Redline [amazing animation extravaganza]
The Big O [the over-arching storyline can get really convoluted, but a lot of the single-episode stories are really, really great]
Kino's Journey [younger female character but nothing sexual at all, lots of philosophizing but nothing too deep or convoluted]
Haibane Renmei [younger female characters but nothing sexual from what I remember, great show]
Macross Plus [Top Gun: The Anime, if you're into that sort of thing, made by a lot of the same people that did Cowboy Bebop]
Cromartie High School [a really crazy, surreal show about a school for delinquents]
Everything by Satoshi Kon and Hayao Miyazaki [natch]
Patlabor [3 movies, a TV series, and two OVA series; a show about police officers who pilot giant robots, good mix of humor and action]
Planetes [hard scifi, lots of outer space with realistic physics and the like]
Aria [one of the better slice of life shows, mostly female cast but nothing sexualized here, good balance of science-fiction/fantasy, idealized Italy, and fluff]
Heat Guy J [action series set in a futuristic city, kinda like GitS but doesn't try to be deep or anything like that]
Darker Than Black [kinda like a Japanese take on American superheroes, but serious rather than over-the-top]
Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust [post-apocalyptic vampires]
Detroit Metal City [a death metal band is lead by the Lord of Darkness, Krauser, who is really a wimpy kid who dreams of playing lighthearted pop songs]
Mushishi [a guy travels around helping people who are afflicted by mystical creatures]
Dai-Guard [office workers save the world by piloting a giant robot]
Time Stranger [I recommend this as much as I can, it's a really great movie]
Ghost Hunt [one of the better supernatural animes I've seen, can be really creepy, but is also lighthearted sometimes without falling into many of the traps that other anime do]
NieA Under 7 [same original creator as Serial Experiments Lain and Haibane Renmei, slice-of-life about a poor college student who lives with an even poorer alien]
Genshiken [it's a show about anime nerds, often hits very close to home ]
Witch Hunter Robin [a group hunts down witches in modern-ish Japan]
Reign: The Conqueror [one of the most homo-erotic anime ever made]

Whew.

[Joe Molotov]

Devo, here's the only anime you ever need to watch:

Cowboy Bebop
Reign: The Conqueor
Speed Racer

You're already 1/3rd of the way through the list, so good job.

why is reign the conqueror listed so high? that show did nothing for me, and i loved aeon flux. the same with witch hunter robin. that show is trash

a show that suprised me based on its source material is gungrave. based on the game, i was not expecting that much depth in the characters.

Alexander breaks all the rules, including the ones that say you have to wear a full set of clothes.

[Great Rumbler]

Disagree, it's missing crucial stuff like films, and things like Hellsing Ultimate or Baccano, even stuff like Beck. It's a very limited list and stuff on there are not even that great like Planetes and Witch Hunter Robin.

Michiko & Hatchin is missing. u sux.

Come onnnnnnnnnnnn. You guys seriously need to get your sarcasm detectors fixed or something.

Also, Planetes is awesome and anyone that says differently is dumb. There, I said it.

[Joe Molotov]

Michiko & Hatchin is missing. u sux. also himu sux for thinking the ghost in a shell tv series is better than the film.

Michiko & Hatchin is awful.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

You know, I've been down the road of "recommend me some anime that won't get me on a sex offender registry" but after a few hundred dollars and several dozen hours I will never get back, I just realized anime really isn't for me.

[Joe Molotov]

Well no wonder, all the best stuff is on the sex offender list!

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Well no wonder, all the best stuff is on the sex offender list.

   So that was the problem!

[Tasty]

I wouldn't ever list anime as an "interest," same I wouldn't list crap like "music" or "movies." That just shows you basically have a 1D personality.

I do have several animes I love though, and I usually try to keep an anime in the weekly watching rotation. But anime is so garbage nowadays it's hard for me to do that. Age is basically all I have at this point.

[parallax]

I wouldn't ever list anime as an "interest," same I wouldn't list crap like "music" or "movies." That just shows you basically have a 1D personality.

I do have several animes I love though, and I usually try to keep an anime in the weekly watching rotation. But anime is so garbage nowadays it's hard for me to do that. Age is basically all I have at this point.

interest in music and its varying styles means you have a one dimensional personality?

[Tasty]

I wouldn't ever list anime as an "interest," same I wouldn't list crap like "music" or "movies." That just shows you basically have a 1D personality.

I do have several animes I love though, and I usually try to keep an anime in the weekly watching rotation. But anime is so garbage nowadays it's hard for me to do that. Age is basically all I have at this point.

interest in music and its varying styles means you have a one dimensional personality?

Yes. And that dimension is hipster.

[tiesto]

I like animu I just don't really watch enough of it to really be considered a fan. I especially like hot girls in anime cosplay

[Takao]

Someone please make this a thread on GAF.

The Ninthings will freak. It could be legendary.

[TakingBackSunday]

it's already been discussed to death, honestly.  but OMFG, I'd IAP the fuck out of Wario Ware on my iPhone.  And Advance Wars.

Nintendo just needs to make games for everything else already

[Takao]

Even if Nintendo made phone games I still probably wouldn't get a new Custom Robo. They'd probably spam Animal Crossing or some shit.

[TakingBackSunday]

lol custom robo

that game was awful son

[Takao]

The DS one was, but I really liked the GC one.

[Great Rumbler]

anime is terrible

when someone tells me one of their interests/hobbies is anime, they instantly get lowered down to LARPer status in my eyes

My hobby is watching things that interest me with my eyeballs. Aside from anime, this also includes drying paint and my neighbors when they think no one is around.

[Kabouter]

western cartoons and eastern cartoons are both great for different reasons, but i respect that eastern ethic more. outside of a few (Batman: TAS for example) most western cartoons exist purely to make people laugh. eastern cartoons? right now i'm watching an anime about a group of kids who make a jazz band. no action, little comedy, just characters. point me to one single western cartoon that is remotely like this. so when people talk about the japanese story telling, i think that's what they're talking about. the story telling isn't better, per se, but there are a more varied amount of stories.

outside of pixar, i can't think of one studio that makes cartoons approaching this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_J._Kwak#Plot < I always appreciated this in terms of story telling. (Though it's a Dutch-German-Japanese co-production)

[Tasty]

Ugggh no? You don't have to be a hipster to be a music fanatic.

Whatever, hipster. Go buy some more "vinyls."

they would make less money than they (generally) do now.  like, for sure, they would.  that's a pill they might have to swallow in the future, but it wouldn't be a prudent move at this stage when they can release a half-assed pokemon game and rake in more cash than angry birds.

Which half assed Pokemon game are you referring to? Rumble Blast? Pokepark?

[TakingBackSunday]

Andrex, the last three main pokemon games have been just that.  In regards to creativity and design, Pokemon games are atrocious now; but I'm not really surprised.  You can only throw a dart on two dartboards with an animal and a gadget on each and combine the two for a creature so many times.

Gameplay is still solid though.

also oscar, I know this, but I give 0 fucks bout the money they make.  seriously, think about it.  ADVANCE WARS ON IOS

[brob]

Bring back Parodious Wars or whatever the fuck it's called

ios whatevs. i want to be a pig with a bandaid and a scowl.

[Momo]

But in GitS1--

spoiler (click to show/hide)

The hacker also turns out to be a grey but leaning toward-"good" as well. The hacker AI (forgetting it's name) only wanted to break out of Section 9's little area and live it's own life.

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Which was the whole point of the movie, really.

I haven't seen 2:Innocence but the first GitS was kinda disjointed and the TV series is better in being easier to "follow." I guess if you haven't read the manga the whole "Section 9/6 blah blah blah" bits can throw you a little.

That's fine though, the movie did it first. The series didnt have to follow that theme it's lame. The thing was called the puppet master.

[Tasty]

Andrex, the last three main pokemon games have been just that. In regards to creativity and design, Pokemon games are atrocious now; but I'm not really surprised.

There are more great designs in Gen 4 and 5 than 2 and 3, that is a fact.

BW also mixed things up quite a bit. You sound like someone who hasn't played since Ruby/Sapphire. Not that I blame you, those were the worst games in the series, burned me out until Pearl brought me back.

But still, this "Back in my day, Pokemon looked awesome, not like the trash nowadays! LOLOL there's even a trash Pokemon!!1 AND we played while hiking up mountains to school in 12 feet of snow!" thing has got to die. It's just not only not true, it's observably ridiculous -- as in worthy of ridicule.

[parallax]

I wouldn't ever list anime as an "interest," same I wouldn't list crap like "music" or "movies." That just shows you basically have a 1D personality.

I do have several animes I love though, and I usually try to keep an anime in the weekly watching rotation. But anime is so garbage nowadays it's hard for me to do that. Age is basically all I have at this point.

interest in music and its varying styles means you have a one dimensional personality?

Yes. And that dimension is hipster.

thats a one dimensional view, dont you think?

[Momo]

Anime as an interest usually means a person considers anime above cartoons. Which usually triggers my "you don't exist in this world mindset" about people.

Here is the thing, as a medium I in no way think anime is better than cartoons. They both have shit, they both have good shows, however there is a larger variety of anime and more quality shows in the medium than cartoons. When was the last time cartoons gave us awesome stuff like Price Valiant (that was in the 80's iirc)? Only recently has cartoons made a comeback for me, largly on the back of DC/Marvel with Young Justice and EMH The Avengers, and look what is happening to Avengers - They are going to take a well loved show and remove all semblance of an overarching persistent plot in favor of monster of the week bullshit. When cartoon studios stop pulling shit like this I'll be happy.

Bob's Burgers, Family Guy, Simpsons, Futurama I hardly count as variation btw, for some god awful reasons people think all "adult" cartoons needs to be a haven of fart jokes and dumbfuckery. 

[Tasty]

thats a one dimensional view, dont you think?

Yes. But I don't define myself by it so it's ok.

[Takao]

BW also mixed things up quite a bit. You sound like someone who hasn't played since Ruby/Sapphire. Not that I blame you, those were the worst games in the series, burned me out until Pearl brought me back.

Ruby/Sapphire left such a bad taste in your mouth that you were burned out... until the very next Pokemon game?

wut

[Momo]

That's the point, Anime is cartoons. They'll always be cartoons. Separating them is fucking stupid.

Anime = cartoons no doubt, the classification as anime just gives you a better idea of what to expect. The only significant differences are the art, country of origin and that anime tends to have season long overarching stories while cartoons tend to have monster of the week shows.

[TakingBackSunday]

I've played them all andrex.  The only good pokemon in pearl was muthafuckin chimchar

All the designs are just dreadfully boring

[Tasty]

BW also mixed things up quite a bit. You sound like someone who hasn't played since Ruby/Sapphire. Not that I blame you, those were the worst games in the series, burned me out until Pearl brought me back.

Ruby/Sapphire left such a bad taste in your mouth that you were burned out... until the very next Pokemon game?

wut

Skipped FireRed/LeafGreen and Emerald. Basically four years of being Pokemon-less like every other normal person <Andrex's age at the time.>

I've played them all andrex.  The only good pokemon in pearl was muthafuckin chimchar

All the designs are just dreadfully boring

Empoleon and Whimsicott and Scraggy and Litwick and Drifloon and Excadrill and Honchkrow and Reuiniclus and Haxorus and Luxray and Genesect and Staraptor did nothing for you?

Get some good taste before you play a new Pokemon game, kthx.

[Tasty]

Get some good taste before you play a new Pokemon game, kthx.

paradox detected - if he gets some good taste, he wouldn't play Pokemon.

Careful Brandnew - it's a trap.

I really hate our hate-hate relationship sometimes. #hateception

[Tasty]

I know when you're trolling, I just don't care for it.

Nah but seriously, whatevs.

[Himu]

what in the fuck

[Takao]

only thing pokemon is good for is inspiring little fighting robot rpgs

[Himu]

western cartoons and eastern cartoons are both great for different reasons, but i respect that eastern ethic more. outside of a few (Batman: TAS for example) most western cartoons exist purely to make people laugh. eastern cartoons? right now i'm watching an anime about a group of kids who make a jazz band. no action, little comedy, just characters. point me to one single western cartoon that is remotely like this. so when people talk about the japanese story telling, i think that's what they're talking about. the story telling isn't better, per se, but there are a more varied amount of stories.

outside of pixar, i can't think of one studio that makes cartoons approaching this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_J._Kwak#Plot < I always appreciated this in terms of story telling. (Though it's a Dutch-German-Japanese co-production)

see, I highly respect that form of storytelling for cartoons. A lot of people scoff, and say,"it's a cartoon, who gives a shit" but I treat animation like any other medium and grew up respecting the craft and how intimate a process it is. Examples like that fully take advantage of the medium without resorting to making it a comedy are great.

by the same token, I respect jim henson's muppet studio for very similar reasons. fraggle rock was not a comedy to me, and I learned a whole lot from it growing up.

Since we're on the subject of animation we adore and respect...

[Momo]

Titan AE was pretty fun for what it was back in the day.

RE: Pokemon - lol
EDIT: Mad respect for Moomin

[Momo]

Oh wow Stringy, I really loved that jumping sequence, thanks man

[Himu]

People don't give enough credit to Osamu Tezuka. One time I was at a comic shop asking for the new Tezuka graphic novel, and they were like "who is that" and I was embarrassed. And then they go masturbate over some Miyazaki film that turned out mediocre.

You could do a lot of learning in animation history studies from looking at his shorts.

Read his manga.






Osamu Tezuka > Walt Disney

[Momo]

[Verdigris Murder]

I just don't get anime, I've seen all the classics like Akira, Ulysses 31, Ghost in the shell, G-force, Dogtanian etc, and apart from various bits in Akira, I've been left unimpressed.

Part of the fanboy delusion when it comes to J-land stuff is that because it comes from over there, the blinkers come on, and any pretence of objectivity is swiftly thrown out of the window.

[Himu]

For some it is. For others, that's not true at all.

[Verdigris Murder]

Well I'd thats the case, the voices of the fanatics (interestingly the origin of the word  fanatic was due to the Victorians keeping mental members of their families up in the roof 'fan attic') drown out the susurrus of the sensible.

[Verdigris Murder]

And yeah Loli stuff is just fucking weird, there's not justifiable reason people should read shit like that unless their paedophile-cupboard has really squeaky hinges.

[Momo]

I just don't get anime, I've seen all the classics like Akira, Ulysses 31, Ghost in the shell, G-force, Dogtanian etc, and apart from various bits in Akira, I've been left unimpressed.

Part of the fanboy delusion when it comes to J-land stuff is that because it comes from over there, the blinkers come on, and any pretence of objectivity is swiftly thrown out of the window.

Anime isnt made by sipping from some magical chalice kame-sama handed down to the Japanese ubermensch, the more people just start treating it like normal media the happier I will be. None of this "oh but it's anime I wont watch it" or "it's anime gotta watch it" bullshit. If we just treat each project as it's own thing without the overarching "it's anime" reactions, we'd all be fine.

[brawndolicious]

western cartoons and eastern cartoons are both great for different reasons, but i respect that eastern ethic more. outside of a few (Batman: TAS for example) most western cartoons exist purely to make people laugh. eastern cartoons? right now i'm watching an anime about a group of kids who make a jazz band. no action, little comedy, just characters. point me to one single western cartoon that is remotely like this. so when people talk about the japanese story telling, i think that's what they're talking about. the story telling isn't better, per se, but there are a more varied amount of stories.

outside of pixar, i can't think of one studio that makes cartoons approaching this.

The Boondocks
Samurai Jack
King of the Hill
They do make jokes but they are mostly about the characters.

the boondocks and king of the hill are comedies. samurai jack is an action show. that's entirely different. kids on the slope, however, could be filmed live. it is only slice of life and about a group of kids' passion for music. space brothers could be filmed live, while it has the occasional comedy bit - which was made purely for the anime - it only ever about two brothers becoming astronauts.

Those shows are still mostly about the characters. King of the Hill and The Boondocks could easily be live action too. But they aren't, instead those cartoons manage to tell us great stories about American culture and politics. These shows do transcend above simple entertainment, you can't deny that.

And Breaking Bad is better than The Wire.

You're still missing my point. They're still comedies, albeit refreshing takes with their social commentary, but they still exist purely to make people laugh. Kids on the Slope is not a comedy. It is literally about a bunch of teenagers who like playing music and form a jazz band. That is all there is to it. It is like you are being obtuse to reject my overall point.

I mean, you keep bringing up characters, like that means something. The Simpsons, in its early seasons, was all about the town of Springfield and how they connect with each other. It was all about the characters. It had social commentary, pop culture commentary, but it was still a comedy first and foremost.

How hard is this for you to understand?

I'm not sure why that matters if they regularly dip to the depths of entertaining people with comedy/action. The only reason the producers chose to make those shows over another Seth McFarlane shitfest is that they have great characters or interesting commentary to make viewers interested. That's the reason that the writers got up and worked every day. That's the reason that those shows got a great reception. I would say that Bobby Hill for instance is easily one of the best written and well-developed teenage ever characters on TV. Live action or animated.

The other thing you bring up is the variety/realism in scenarios. Is there something about that that disappoints you with KotH and Boondocks?

[Himu]

I love King of the Hill and The Boondocks but they aren't what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about realism, i'm talking about the mundane. KotH and Boonies are not mundane. Boonies features a 10 year old kid who is a karate and sword master who is a retired kickball guru. Kids on the Slope features a bunch of teenagers making a jazz band, becoming better musicians, and the love of jazz in general. King of the Hill is about a redneck dude and his family in Tejas suburbia where the neighbor doesn't know the Indian dude is fucking his wife and the fat guy is a basket case who crosses dresses and eats entire bags of sugar just to get diabetes. On purpose. Real is a manga series about a paraplegic who joins a wheelchair basketball team.

[MCD]

MMMMMMM JAPAN

[Broseidon]

PeeDee pimpin' Bore on the GAF facebook group 

[T-Short]

Get some good taste before you play a new Pokemon game, kthx.

paradox detected - if he gets some good taste, he wouldn't play Pokemon.

Careful Brandnew - it's a trap.

I really hate our hate-hate relationship sometimes. #hateception

DC wipes his butt with the likes of you

[pilonv1]