Author Topic: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5 (Read 142228 times)

T-Short · « **Reply #240 on:** July 27, 2011, 06:56:28 AM »

yeah, but even worse with the lame-o Motion+ failing to register sword swings

Herr Mafflard · « **Reply #241 on:** July 27, 2011, 07:15:19 AM »

Gotta say, it's embarrassing the way Link holds his sword out like a forked stick when running about.

Himu · « **Reply #242 on:** July 27, 2011, 08:51:44 AM »

it really is. it looks beyond distinguished mentally-challenged.

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #243 on:** July 27, 2011, 01:40:48 PM »

Oh how the mighty have fallen.

If you told me in that I wouldn't even want to play a Zelda game a few years back I would have laughed.

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #244 on:** July 27, 2011, 02:02:48 PM »

Link running around with his sword out animates the way it does due to the fact they programmed it to correspond with how the player is holding it. Certain puzzles have been shown to use this feature such as making eye doors dizzy by twirling the sword around.

There were no visually misregistered sword swings in that vid, unless you think the overhead slashes bouncing off of the armored spider are an indication of this.

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #245 on:** July 27, 2011, 02:06:14 PM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on July 27, 2011, 12:57:05 AM

see, the issue is that i don't imagine a normal gamer spends much time doing waggle sports with his or her friends

that seems to be the sole province of the yellow-breasted nintard, and i didn't think magoose was a nintard

You say this as if the 20 million people who bought Wii Sports resort never happened. The first Tiger Woods motionplus game did alright, and most of the 2k wii sports catalogue supports the peripheral.

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #246 on:** July 27, 2011, 02:26:31 PM »

I think there was a semantical issue. I think of normal gamers as normal people that happen to play games. Not saying people who identify as gamers aren't normal per se, but I don't think of them as having some kind of legitimacy that CoD dudebros or Farmville peeps don't.

Herr Mafflard · « **Reply #247 on:** July 27, 2011, 02:41:21 PM »

Quote from: EmCeeGrammar on July 27, 2011, 02:02:48 PM

Link running around with his sword out animates the way it does due to the fact they programmed it to correspond with how the player is holding it. Certain puzzles have been shown to use this feature such as making eye doors dizzy by twirling the sword around.

I know this. That is why my sword will always be sheathed; only to be pulled out when necessary, so that I produce the undulated gestures that make use of the much, (so far

), propitious Motion+. Thus, I look like a tit only when the occasions present themselves. And in the game.

Himu · « **Reply #248 on:** July 27, 2011, 02:50:03 PM »

Quote from: EmCeeGrammar on July 27, 2011, 02:02:48 PM

Link running around with his sword out animates the way it does due to the fact they programmed it to correspond with how the player is holding it. Certain puzzles have been shown to use this feature such as making eye doors dizzy by twirling the sword around.

There were no visually misregistered sword swings in that vid, unless you think the overhead slashes bouncing off of the armored spider are an indication of this.

it looks gay

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #249 on:** July 27, 2011, 03:12:39 PM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on July 27, 2011, 02:50:03 PM

Quote from: EmCeeGrammar on July 27, 2011, 02:02:48 PM
Link running around with his sword out animates the way it does due to the fact they programmed it to correspond with how the player is holding it. Certain puzzles have been shown to use this feature such as making eye doors dizzy by twirling the sword around.

There were no visually misregistered sword swings in that vid, unless you think the overhead slashes bouncing off of the armored spider are an indication of this.

it looks gay

It's a necessary byproduct of the control mechanism. I don't think vaginas are that attractive by themselves, but they are what they are for many goooood reasons.

Himu · « **Reply #250 on:** July 27, 2011, 03:24:23 PM »

why not just do it TP way then so it doesn't look like he's holding his sword like he does when he's stroking cock on saturday evenings at the lon lon ranch bar?

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #251 on:** July 27, 2011, 03:33:10 PM »

I've already explained that. Twilight Princess read waggle, not positioning. Skyward Sword uses the positioning in various situationd. The sword beam mechanic requires a charge state by pointing your sword upwards. Eye doors (and I imagine many other puzzles!) want the player to use the way the sword is being held in the puzzle solving process. The way Link holds his sword is a constant connection to how the player holds the remote. Its a necessary function to better facilitate how to interact with the game.

Himu · « **Reply #252 on:** July 27, 2011, 03:35:59 PM »

I understand. That doesn't mean I have to like the way it looks. It looks so unnatural.

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #253 on:** July 27, 2011, 03:41:52 PM »

If you don't like the way it looks then you can like , uh, conciously contort your irl arm to whatever is acceptable. I don't see what the alternative there is when attempting 1:1 tracking.

cool breeze · « **Reply #254 on:** July 27, 2011, 03:59:58 PM »

yeah, it's an oversight but not really a complaint.

it maps the sword to the wii remote but they forgot most people hold it kinda like this:

so Link is pointing his sword forward because it's relative to your hand position. You can hold your hand to your side for it to look more natural, but it wouldn't be more comfortable for the player.

the other solution would be to make the advanced sword moves require the Z button to be held down. we've more or less seen the same dungeon over and over, so there could be a reason for why they didn't do that.

Himu · « **Reply #255 on:** July 27, 2011, 04:02:35 PM »

well when i play wii, my wiimote is mostly pointed down or in the middle, rarely ever up.

Himu · « **Reply #256 on:** July 27, 2011, 04:10:48 PM »

don't blame us for calling the facts

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #257 on:** July 27, 2011, 04:33:43 PM »

The facts being you weren't inspired by prerelease trailers and you don't like how they chose to animate the 1:1 sword controls. Yeah I'm sure that will make or break the game.

The zelda cycle is its own beast apart from the sonic cycle to be sure.

Himu · « **Reply #258 on:** July 27, 2011, 04:42:36 PM »

There is no cycle. I'm usually pumped for console Zelda's. Don't bring up that alarmist "they don't agree with me so let's pigeonhole them" claptrap into this thread.

About as bullshit as saying "the latest zelda is the worst zelda ever until the next game comes out when it's suddenly good" bullshit.

Only tools fall for that line of bullshit.

Beezy · « **Reply #259 on:** July 27, 2011, 07:20:54 PM »

...Zelda cycle? Wtf. I don't even wanna know.

naff · « **Reply #260 on:** July 27, 2011, 07:33:35 PM »

Quote from: Linkzg on July 27, 2011, 03:59:58 PM

they forgot most people hold it kinda like this:
(Image removed from quote.)

0.o really? I always hold the remote and nunchuk with my arms chillin on armrests or at my sides. Never seen anyone who holds it so directly in front of them. Looks tiring lol

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #261 on:** July 27, 2011, 07:35:41 PM »

qq more himu, good lord

the zelda cycle is something a lot of people have stressed is self-fulfilling, and I once believed in it as well. It started ever since Majora's Mask: people immediately hate the new game and tell themselves they miss the "better" game that came before it. It got a lot of weight when TP came out.

Personally, I just think Zelda fans are fucking morons and don't know what the fuck they want/like (himu is great evidence for this), and I've learned to just enjoy whatever the team puts out, no matter its faults. I've had varying enjoyment of every Zelda game, even the DS ones. The less bitching, the more I genuinely like a game

naff · « **Reply #262 on:** July 27, 2011, 07:42:05 PM »

Quote from: BrandNew on July 27, 2011, 07:35:41 PM

Personally, I just think Zelda fans are fucking morons and don't know what the fuck they want/like (himu is great evidence for this) .... -> I've learned to just enjoy whatever the team puts out, no matter its faults.

Himu · « **Reply #263 on:** July 27, 2011, 07:44:44 PM »

Yes, I don't know what I like, which is why I like every Zelda I've played except 2.

Okay.

Typical fanboy garbage. Get outta here with that shit.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #264 on:** July 27, 2011, 07:45:12 PM »

eh, that was worded pretty terribly. I meant that I don't really actively bitch about a trend that I hate in the games lately; I just try to find enjoyment with whatever the game offers. The DS games are pretty awful Zelda games, but they offered a new experience and I enjoyed the dungeon design for the most part. But just because it was less than great, I'm not going to suddenly distrust the Zelda team

fuck I'm just digging my own grave. nevermind, I'm dumb too

edit: himu you're going to play this game and then praise the hell out of it. your constant wah-wahing will prove useless once it comes out

Himu · « **Reply #265 on:** July 27, 2011, 07:48:09 PM »

You know what? You're probably right. I more than likely will. I even like PH to some degree.

But that doesn't mean I can't comment on the direction of the series, which, as far as the media we've seen, is as gimmicky as it gets and saying that what we've been saying in this thread goes without merit is grade A cat poop, especially - ESPECIALLY - after the release of PH and ST.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #266 on:** July 27, 2011, 07:51:37 PM »

and like I've said, if you're sick of gimmicks -- things that have been a staple of the zelda series since forever -- then maybe you just need to move onto a franchise that does something different with a zelda-like formula. it's not a bad thing.

Himu · « **Reply #267 on:** July 27, 2011, 07:53:51 PM »

There's gimmicks, and then there's vapid waggle thrown in for the sake of being "unique" or "refreshing" parading as game design. Why the hell do I have to wave my wiimote like a penis to swing on a rope? That's distinguished mentally-challenged.

naff · « **Reply #268 on:** July 27, 2011, 07:55:05 PM »

Quote from: BrandNew on July 27, 2011, 07:45:12 PM

eh, that was worded pretty terribly. I meant that I don't really actively bitch about a trend that I hate in the games lately; I just try to find enjoyment with whatever the game offers

Yeah I got that

still funny though. I'll agree that it's an exercise in futility turning a critical eye to stoically repetitious series like Zelda, I know what I'm getting, and if I'm likely to be pissed off it'll be about things like stupid ass 5 hour tutorials

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #269 on:** July 27, 2011, 08:04:03 PM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on July 27, 2011, 07:53:51 PM

There's gimmicks, and then there's vapid waggle thrown in for the sake of being "unique" or "refreshing" parading as game design. Why the hell do I have to wave my wiimote like a penis to swing on a rope? That's distinguished mentally-challenged.

stop blaming the game and start blaming the hardware. the zelda team aren't the hardware guys at Nintendo -- they're probably as annoyed as you are with the shit they have to work with. But work with the hardware they must, and they are trying to get the most out of what they're given. Blame Iwata and Miyamoto, not Aonuma.

cool breeze · « **Reply #270 on:** July 27, 2011, 08:38:02 PM »

Quote from: quietID on July 27, 2011, 07:33:35 PM

Quote from: Linkzg on July 27, 2011, 03:59:58 PM
they forgot most people hold it kinda like this:
(Image removed from quote.)

0.o really? I always hold the remote and nunchuk with my arms chillin on armrests or at my sides. Never seen anyone who holds it so directly in front of them. Looks tiring lol

no no not literally like that. I play it with my arms on the armrest too. I just meant with the controller pointing towards the screen

Barry Egan · « **Reply #271 on:** July 27, 2011, 08:42:37 PM »

I just feel like they dropped by the ball when choosing the add-on to hitch this game behind. They would have more of my attention if they had used the biofeedback sensor, and focused the game around Links intense fear of heights while at the same time living in the sky. He then learns all about his own physiological rhythms in order to defeat his inhibiting phobia. I don't think Nintendo realizes that this is what people mean when they clamor for a more adult Zelda.

Himu · « **Reply #272 on:** July 27, 2011, 09:21:12 PM »

Quote from: My F*cking Grandpa on July 27, 2011, 08:42:37 PM

I just feel like they dropped by the ball when choosing the add-on to hitch this game behind. They would have more of my attention if they had used the biofeedback sensor, and focused the game around Links intense fear of heights while at the same time living in the sky. He than learns all about his own physiological rhythms in order to defeat his inhibiting phobia. I don't think Nintendo realizes that this is what people mean when they clamor for a more adult Zelda.

Himu · « **Reply #273 on:** August 09, 2011, 08:19:48 PM »

Quote from: Wrath2X on August 09, 2011, 08:07:06 PM

No Ganon in this game, a bit late on this but whatever:

http://wii.ign.com/articles/118/1184014p1.html

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

magus · « **Reply #274 on:** August 09, 2011, 08:26:32 PM »

Quote

When asked if Ghirahim reminded him of David Bowie Aonuma agreed that there were similarities

http://www.videogamelookalikes.com/david-bowie.html

Himu · « **Reply #275 on:** August 09, 2011, 08:30:43 PM »

Wrong. Games like Majora's Mask and Link's Awakening are refreshing and a huge reason is because there IS no Ganon.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #276 on:** August 09, 2011, 08:33:40 PM »

Ganon was annoying in Twilight Princess because he got shoe-horned in for the last hour or so.

Himu · « **Reply #277 on:** August 09, 2011, 08:34:12 PM »

Exactly. Fuck that shit.

Himu · « **Reply #278 on:** August 09, 2011, 08:53:20 PM »

You cite story, and yet Ganon is a part of the story...so..

Query: outside of wind waker when was ganon EVER a good villain? I mean, truly? He's dispensable. Ganon sucks.

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #279 on:** August 09, 2011, 09:03:22 PM »

Guys ganon is the blue pig monster. GanonDORF is the big nosed red haired duder.
ahem
This is really non news though. I don't give a shit about story and it doesn't really matter if the Dorf shows up or not.

cool breeze · « **Reply #280 on:** August 10, 2011, 12:32:58 AM »

uh Ganon wasn't in Spirit Tracks and Phantom Hourglass and those games ain't good. It's a good thing his inclusion/exclusion has nothing to do with game quality!

Tasty · « **Reply #281 on:** August 10, 2011, 12:47:18 AM »

I think the No Ganon thing is a good indicator for the risks they're taking with Skyward Sword. Game's shaping up to be great.

cool breeze · « **Reply #282 on:** August 29, 2011, 01:40:43 PM »

game is getting a special release with a gold wii remote plus and soundtrack for $70

nintendo got lazy with the buttons

Trent Dole · « **Reply #283 on:** August 29, 2011, 04:59:04 PM »

Soundtrack is with just the first pressing and will come with the first round of the standard $50 game only version as well. Box art is cooler looking than expected.

Himu · « **Reply #284 on:** August 29, 2011, 05:00:22 PM »

I may get that if only for the wiimote plus because my wiimote plus that came with my wii has some stupid add on thing you have to put the wiimote inside.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #285 on:** August 29, 2011, 05:26:59 PM »

damn sexy boxart

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #286 on:** August 29, 2011, 05:35:33 PM »

Quote from: Linkzg on August 29, 2011, 01:40:43 PM

game is getting a special release with a gold wii remote plus and soundtrack for $70

(Image removed from quote.)

nintendo got lazy with the buttons

iiiiiiiiit's the Legend of Zelda and the gameplay's old
the good news is ninfags are fond of gold
waggle wand and soundtrack; the box art, too
but 3DS makes debt accrue
yeah, go Reg, yeah, get Shiggy
wicky wicky wick

Raban · « **Reply #287 on:** August 29, 2011, 05:41:44 PM »

Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on August 29, 2011, 05:35:33 PM

iiiiiiiiit's the Legend of Zelda and the gameplay's old
the good news is ninfags are fond of gold
waggle wand and soundtrack; the box art, too
but 3DS makes debt accrue
yeah, go Reg, yeah, get Shiggy
wicky wicky wick

8.8

demi · « **Reply #288 on:** August 29, 2011, 05:46:51 PM »

i'm buying it. will be super rare like Zelda TP Cube.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #289 on:** August 29, 2011, 05:49:08 PM »

Quote from: Andrex on August 10, 2011, 12:47:18 AM

I think the No Ganon thing is a good indicator for the risks they're taking with Skyward Sword.

so very lol

Himu · « **Reply #290 on:** August 29, 2011, 07:00:25 PM »

Quote from: Positive Touch on August 29, 2011, 05:49:08 PM

Quote from: Andrex on August 10, 2011, 12:47:18 AM
I think the No Ganon thing is a good indicator for the risks they're taking with Skyward Sword.

so very lol

totally lol

magus · « **Reply #291 on:** August 29, 2011, 07:34:42 PM »

Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on August 29, 2011, 05:35:33 PM

iiiiiiiiit's the Legend of Zelda and the gameplay's old
the good news is ninfags are fond of gold
waggle wand and soundtrack; the box art, too
but 3DS makes debt accrue
yeah, go Reg, yeah, get Shiggy
wicky wicky wick

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

Tasty · « **Reply #292 on:** August 29, 2011, 10:43:36 PM »

Quote from: demi on August 29, 2011, 05:46:51 PM

i'm buying it. will be super rare like Zelda TP Cube.

TP Cube is rare? It was like one of the last GameCube games I still saw on shelves, right alongside Melee. It was also like $40 and I could still see it in like 2008-2009... Hrm.

Anyways yeah, love the boxart, and will definitely get the bundle since I don't have WM+ already.

demi · « **Reply #293 on:** August 29, 2011, 11:09:03 PM »

It fetches more than the Wii version, and will hold steady value, since Gamecube is the hotness (and the best Nintendo console)

Look at Pikmin 2...

http://www.ebay.com/ccg/Pikmin-2-Nintendo-GameCube-2004-/10938?rt=nc&LH_Complete=1&_dmpt=Video_Games_Games&_fln=1&_pcategid=139973&_pcatid=2&_pdpal=1&_trksid=p5360.c0.m283

wtf? Gamecube is awesome.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #294 on:** August 29, 2011, 11:22:31 PM »

I came in here to see why jd want this game and i see convos that should be nuked.

I wish I had Zelda on cube because waggle sucks.

Oblivion · « **Reply #295 on:** August 30, 2011, 04:24:01 AM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on August 09, 2011, 08:30:43 PM

Wrong. Games like Majora's Mask and Link's Awakening are refreshing and a huge reason is because there IS no Ganon.

Sorry Himu, but LA does not deserve much credit for being unique. MM at least had the 3-day time system to affect the gameplay, but LA is nearly friggin identical in gameplay with LttP (in fact, dumbed down in many aspects even). The ONLY distinguishing feature is the story.

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #296 on:** August 30, 2011, 04:24:50 AM »

Is the soundtrack cd midi?

magus · « **Reply #297 on:** August 30, 2011, 06:37:51 AM »

Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on August 29, 2011, 05:35:33 PM

iiiiiiiiit's the Legend of Zelda and the gameplay's old
the good news is ninfags are fond of gold
waggle wand and soundtrack; the box art, too
but 3DS makes debt accrue
yeah, go Reg, yeah, get Shiggy
wicky wicky wick

no no no wait i had a much better joke!

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]
[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

Himu · « **Reply #298 on:** August 30, 2011, 10:13:30 AM »

Quote from: Oblivion on August 30, 2011, 04:24:01 AM

Quote from: Stringer Bell on August 09, 2011, 08:30:43 PM
Wrong. Games like Majora's Mask and Link's Awakening are refreshing and a huge reason is because there IS no Ganon.

Sorry Himu, but LA does not deserve much credit for being unique. MM at least had the 3-day time system to affect the gameplay, but LA is nearly friggin identical in gameplay with LttP (in fact, dumbed down in many aspects even). The ONLY distinguishing feature is the story.

uhhh, they're similar but not entirely identical. LttP doesn't use items like LA does. LA is weird sometimes. Being able to jump, for instance? Also, the world is more connected than LttP's in a way in the sense that it's just one big puzzle and you have to find ways to navigate and traverse it. LttP isn't in the same way.

That said I prefer LttP.

Raban · « **Reply #299 on:** August 30, 2011, 12:41:00 PM »

I went back and played some Majora's Mask only to find it's yet another game that Nintendo fans mindlessly cherish out of nostalgia.

If you actually handed that game to a human being, I have a hard time believing they'd be able to complete even half the content in the game without a FAQ. There is no information given about the sidequests, or even where to go! Is there something I'm missing?

Also, that people complained about the 3-day system is stupid. The game gives you at least three different songs to change time to your liking. Slow it down, restart the cycle, or speed it up. But time management is not a problem that MM has. It's how needlessly cryptic the game is at communicating goals to you.

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Author Topic: The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword thread of cumbersome control 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5 (Read 142228 times)