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[maxy]

If you want cutting edge, you get a PC. That's always been the case and will always be the case. Seems a bit disingenuous to me to rail against Nintards being OK with 2007 performance when PS4/720 will likely only be a few years newer performance wise, and which the PC will rightly trounce out of the gate same as Wii U.

Wii was only few years behind PS360 too.

I will just quote DC

jesus fucking christ.

[Tasty]

I think it'll be fine for the first couple of years, with the software overlap of new/old consoles, but there's a real possibility that things will dry up faster than Wii did after that.

Maybe at that point Nintendo will focus on iPad ports since they'd be roughly equivalent in power. At that point they should be roughly equivalent.

[Tasty]

If you want cutting edge, you get a PC. That's always been the case and will always be the case. Seems a bit disingenuous to me to rail against Nintards being OK with 2007 performance when PS4/720 will likely only be a few years newer performance wise, and which the PC will rightly trounce out of the gate same as Wii U.

Wii was only few years behind PS360 too.

I will just quote DC

jesus fucking christ.

Wii was an order of magnitude behind. The resolution gap, and the power not there to support it, were the true killers of the Wii's performance. Resolution wise, all three should be roughly on equal footing, which shifts the bottleneck to other, less noticeable areas.

[Eel O'Brian]

I can't believe Warner is seriously going to try getting $60 for that Arkham city port.


http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=488702

[Brehvolution]

Ports will be fine if devs do an OK job with the port, which has always been the case for every platform ever. Those that actually put effort in will be rewarded, but that won't be the case usually unfortunately.

/lazy devs

I've heard this exact thing during the early PS3 days.

[DCharlieJP]

Wii was an order of magnitude behind. The resolution gap, and the power not there to support it, were the true killers of the Wii's performance. Resolution wise, all three should be roughly on equal footing, which shifts the bottleneck to other, less noticeable areas.

.... you're a coder by trade right? You can NOT be fucking serious here. Tell me this is a joke post ... please?

[Tasty]

Wii was an order of magnitude behind. The resolution gap, and the power not there to support it, were the true killers of the Wii's performance. Resolution wise, all three should be roughly on equal footing, which shifts the bottleneck to other, less noticeable areas.

.... you're a coder by trade right? You can NOT be fucking serious here. Tell me this is a joke post ... please?

So the resolution difference wasn't the most noticeable drawback of the Wii's graphics? Take that away and some Wii games look really damn good, as Dolphin has shown.

[DCharlieJP]

So the resolution difference wasn't the most noticeable drawback of the Wii's graphical performance? Take that away and some Wii games look really damn good, as Dolphin has shown.

errrr....

ERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR........................

[Cerveza mas fina]

If you want cutting edge, you get a PC. That's always been the case and will always be the case. Seems a bit disingenuous to me to rail against Nintards being OK with 2007 performance when PS4/720 will likely only be a few years newer performance wise, and which the PC will rightly trounce out of the gate same as Wii U.

Wii was only few years behind PS360 too.

I will just quote DC

jesus fucking christ.

Wii was an order of magnitude behind. The resolution gap, and the power not there to support it, were the true killers of the Wii's performance. Resolution wise, all three should be roughly on equal footing, which shifts the bottleneck to other, less noticeable areas.

WiiU will also be a whole generation behind, maybe even more this time. It won't get any ports from PS4/720/PC.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Also: SHADERS + Post processing = super noticeable.

[Tasty]

I knew Dcharlie couldn't handle logic! Ha ha! Score one for the Ninhivemind.

WiiU will also be a whole generation behind, maybe even more this time. It won't get any ports from PS4/720/PC.

I think that's pretty obvious, although "any" might be going a little far.

Also: SHADERS + Post processing = super noticeable.

Not as noticeable as resolution.

[Cerveza mas fina]

It's going to be just as noticeable as resolution, if hypothetically there would be games to compare.

[Human Snorenado]

Let's be real and stop pretending.  Any ports to the Wii U are going to flop.  This is gonna be Gamecube 2: Electric Bugaloo all over again.  A nintendo console with nintendo games for ninthings.  Period.

[Human Snorenado]

I see nothing on that list that makes me want to back off from my overly bold prediction.

[Tasty]

Getting Rayman and Batman.

Yeah Andrex is prettty fucking smart outside of the Nintendo bubble he is living inside.

Come on dude, shake it off. Nintendo is not worth that kind of dedication.

When I get an explanation for what I've said being incorrect, then I'll revise my opinion. Until then I call it like I see it.

[Joe Molotov]

I see nothing on that list that makes me want to back off from my overly bold prediction.

Obviously you haven't played Jett Tailfin yet, proud product of Maximum Family Games.

[Takao]

I can't believe Warner is seriously going to try getting $60 for that Arkham city port.


http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=488702

Well, they are charging $40 for this on 3DS and Vita:



So they clearly have a few issues with product vs. value comprehension.

[Owl-faced Wizard]

are you talking to me

not particularly  it's more aimed at actual industry vets who -should- know better but who , whilst happy to call others out, predictably rally to the Nintendo cause - debasing themselves in the process.

I give you a mild pass because you are still a bit wet behind the ears and it's borderline cute that you don't know what you are talking about half the time

Who should industry vets be rallying behind?  Nintendo is your bad guy, so who is your good guy?  As an industry veteran.

[T-Short]

So the resolution difference wasn't the most noticeable drawback of the Wii's graphics? Take that away and some Wii games look really damn good, as Dolphin has shown.

 

[Van Cruncheon]

are you talking to me

not particularly  it's more aimed at actual industry vets who -should- know better but who , whilst happy to call others out, predictably rally to the Nintendo cause - debasing themselves in the process.

I give you a mild pass because you are still a bit wet behind the ears and it's borderline cute that you don't know what you are talking about half the time

Who should industry vets be rallying behind?  Nintendo is your bad guy, so who is your good guy?  As an industry veteran.

STEAM and OUR GOD, BASED GABEN

[Tasty]

I didn't say nothing else about the Wii's limitations mattered, fwiw. Just resolution was the biggest issue that I could see.

Maybe I'm wrong and those Dolphin shots were faked. *shrug*

are you talking to me

not particularly  it's more aimed at actual industry vets who -should- know better but who , whilst happy to call others out, predictably rally to the Nintendo cause - debasing themselves in the process.

I give you a mild pass because you are still a bit wet behind the ears and it's borderline cute that you don't know what you are talking about half the time

Who should industry vets be rallying behind?  Nintendo is your bad guy, so who is your good guy?  As an industry veteran.

STEAM and OUR GOD, BASED GABEN

It always comes back to PC.

[maxy]

I knew Dcharlie couldn't handle logic! Ha ha! Score one for the Ninhivemind.

WiiU will also be a whole generation behind, maybe even more this time. It won't get any ports from PS4/720/PC.

I think that's pretty obvious, although "any" might be going a little far.

Also: SHADERS + Post processing = super noticeable.

Not as noticeable as resolution.

I think you should talk with Prole about shaders.

[Van Cruncheon]

someone remind me to post a response to this thread when i get a chance

[Van Cruncheon]

suffice to say this will be hilarious to revisit this thread in a year

[Mr. Gundam]

I didn't say nothing else about the Wii's limitations mattered, fwiw. Just resolution was the biggest issue that I could see.

Maybe I'm wrong and those Dolphin shots were faked. *shrug*

Dolphin is a terrible defense and you know it.

[Tasty]

I didn't say nothing else about the Wii's limitations mattered, fwiw. Just resolution was the biggest issue that I could see.

Maybe I'm wrong and those Dolphin shots were faked. *shrug*

Dolphin is a terrible defense and you know it.

How is it terrible? It's not doing anything to the graphics except increasing the resolutions. And the games look great. That's my point.

If you have a counterpoint to make, then make it. Otherwise this "LOL at Andrex" stuff got old two pages ago.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Giving you a machine that has 2007 tech in 2012 means you can maintain amazing profitability, and IT PRINTS MONEY-ness because as we all know the average Nintendo fan owns large quantities of stock in the company.

oh, is that what Club Nintendo points are for

[Steve Youngblood]

If you want cutting edge, you get a PC. That's always been the case and will always be the case. Seems a bit disingenuous to me to rail against Nintards being OK with 2007 performance when PS4/720 will likely only be a few years newer performance wise, and which the PC will rightly trounce out of the gate same as Wii U.

That's always true once we're a few years into the next generation of consoles, but that's a rather disingenuous take on what -- Nintendo aside -- new consoles traditionally represent for a bit into the launch window. Yes, there's probably always going to be people on the cutting edge with PC hardware that's so good that few games really take advantage of it, but PCs back in '05 and '06 were not blowing the 360 and PS3 away.

I'm sure people who were a bit more into PC gaming back then than I was can probably offer a couple of more examples, but wasn't it really Crysis in Aught Eight that really demonstrated the gulf between a good gaming PC and consoles?

[Van Cruncheon]

the games do NOT look "great" in dolphin. they look IMPROVED when compared side-by-side with the native wii output, but when placed against a similar 360/ps3 title, they look like last-gen shit with a res bump. (we're not going to go into "art style" garbage here, because we might as well open the discussion to the original NES at that point.)

here's what you're missing, andrex: you have NO idea what the next gen is going to look like. you can GUESS based on the samaritan demo and star wars 1313, and you might have an inkling of an idea -- and no doubt, a few durango/orbis games may be comparable to wii u offering when the next gen ACTUALLY starts because lol launch title up-porting and/or double-lol we're-a-c-tier-team-and-the-docs-suck-and-we-need-a-launch-title-in-8-months-oh-god-get-something-out-there.

but when the real shit hits -- and it will hit early -- it will be VERY apparent that the wii u is not adequate for the next generation of game IDEAS and CONCEPTS, any more than the ps2/gc/xbox-era was ready for a skyrim or an assassin's creed or even a modern call of duty. these are games enabled by GEOMETRIC INCREASES IN SYSTEM RESOURCES, ADVANCED APIS, and EVOLVED COMPUTING ECOSYSTEMS -- none of which are available on the wii u. these resources enable advanced platform operating systems that in turn enable far more features and open up possibilities for new models, mechanics, and scenarios that the wii u can't do. middleware and tools  developers -- the folks who make quality porting possible and create streamlined pipelines for asset management -- will not support the wii u unless it is miraculously a runaway success, because the wii u's hardware simply will not be able to effectively meet their minimum bar for the features they are planning.

nintendo lives in a fucking bubble. sometimes, it pays out. i'm pretty skeptical this time around, though. well, maybe there will be a ouya/vita/wii u tier for tools...

[Van Cruncheon]

next gen consoles will have better looking and performing games versus even high-end gaming pcs for a couple years (on average) simply because they are closed platforms with tuned apis and a platform-specific operating system that minimizes the abstraction layer.

[Van Cruncheon]

tl;dr: LOL WII U.

[Mr. Gundam]

I didn't say nothing else about the Wii's limitations mattered, fwiw. Just resolution was the biggest issue that I could see.

Maybe I'm wrong and those Dolphin shots were faked. *shrug*

Dolphin is a terrible defense and you know it.

How is it terrible? It's not doing anything to the graphics except increasing the resolutions. And the games look great. That's my point.

If you have a counterpoint to make, then make it. Otherwise this "LOL at Andrex" stuff got old two pages ago.

Playing Wii games on a PC via an emulator is not something the average person who owns a Wii will ever do. Games should be judged on how they look on the hardware they were designed for.

[Van Cruncheon]

there are two reasons to buy nintendo product right now:

1) you love nintendo's games. (gaftards, when they aren't trying to draw some weird moral imperative around videogame purchases)

2) you are stupid and have money to burn and new hardware gives you a weird endorphin rush. (me and dcharlie)

[Himu]

d-d-d-don't even hint that crunchy-san loves nintendo games borys

[Van Cruncheon]

fixed for poor poles, you mean

[MCD]

3) I am rich and love to troll

[Himu]

Crunchy-san, I am sorry but i have to abandon the gaming laptop fold. I will be making my gaming rig before next year. Forgive me~

[Van Cruncheon]

you are forgiven, you are still part of the ONE PLATFORM FUTURE UNDER BASED GABEN

[Himu]

what about origin?

[MCD]

Just buy the MS Surface Pro. You don't need a high end PC rig for hentai games.

[Eel O'Brian]

still sticking to my preemptive confession of buying one when a fallout game comes out for it

spoiler (click to show/hide)

there is no danger of a fallout game coming out for it

[close]

[Tasty]

Playing Wii games on a PC via an emulator is not something the average person who owns a Wii will ever do. Games should be judged on how they look on the hardware they were designed for.

That wasn't the argument I was making. I was saying resolution was the most noticeable downside of the Wii's graphics. That's all. Not that the Wii wasn't weak except for the resolution, not that the Wii U won't be weaker than PS4/720, not that current gen ports will automatically look better on Wii U, not that it's possible for Wii U to get ports from other next gen systems.

[MCD]

All that emu does is make it less jaggy so my eyes won't get burned.

It can never fix the horrible, horrible Xenoblade character models.

[Joe Molotov]

nintendo lives in a fucking bubble. sometimes, it pays out. i'm pretty skeptical this time around, though. well, maybe there will be a ouya/vita/wii u tier for tools...

Nintendo needs to port all their WiiU games to the Vita.

[Tasty]

All that emu does is make it less jaggy so my eyes won't get burned.

It can never fix the horrible, horrible Xenoblade character models.

Xenoblade is a poor example for its character models, but the fields are pretty.





Honestly, looks as good as, say, Lost Odyssey does to me. *shrugs*

Most example Dolphin games look better than early 360 titles IMO.

[Himu]

sega cone compass patent lawsuit incoming

also, that reminds me of final fantasy xii

[Joe Molotov]

also, that reminds me of final fantasy xii

FFXII has better character models.

[Himu]

iirc better grass too

[archnemesis]

I don't know, plants in FF12 are pretty basic. High-res characters models are nice though.

[TakingBackSunday]

plus, xenoblade is a much better game than XII

[Cerveza mas fina]

I cant believe people on gaf are getting excited about Rayman and Trine 2 being launchgames   

[Tasty]

I cant believe people on gaf are getting excited about Rayman and Trine 2 being launchgames   

What's wrong with Rayman? Game looks awesome.

[bork]

I cant believe people on gaf are getting excited about Rayman and Trine 2 being launchgames   

Shovelware and 2D platformers + forum posters in denial = Wii U launch!

I can see Rayman being a point of interest, but Trine?  The game already available on PC, PS3, and 360?   

[Joe Molotov]

I cant believe people on gaf are getting excited about Rayman and Trine 2 being launchgames   

Also, can't wait for this. The graphics are truly something else.

[bork]

there are two reasons to buy nintendo product right now:

1) you love nintendo's games. (gaftards, when they aren't trying to draw some weird moral imperative around videogame purchases)

2) you are stupid and have money to burn and new hardware gives you a weird endorphin rush. (me and dcharlie)

I used to be 2, but not even I give enough of a shit to buy a Wiiuuuuuuuuuuuu- and I blew money importing a Vita last year!

[Tasty]

P-100 looks bottom of the barrel graphics wise but it looks fun, but weird. Dunno if I'm gonna get it, I can barely wrap my head around it but that might be because I haven't played it. Hopefully it's another Kamiya great.

[Joe Molotov]

Ahh P100. Not the best screenshot of that game, I'd wager.

I'm just quoting GAF. This is the screenshot offered up as proof that the graphics were "truly something else."

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Ahh P100. Not the best screenshot of that game, I'd wager.

I'm just quoting GAF. This is the screenshot offered up as proof that the graphics were "truly something else."

I agree, when compared to actual next-generation hardware, those graphics are...truly something else.

[Human Snorenado]

Whimy shaders chugging out 120 WPS

[TakingBackSunday]

I heard that game is the most fun out of any Wii U first-showers, if that's worth anything :p