Vita Thread

[bork]

real talk: never heard the words "i don't care about sales" uttered by anyone whose pet toy wasn't losin' hardcore

Real talk: I don't give a shit about sales.  I buy all the consoles and play whatever.  It's a hobby...I might care if I worked at a company dependent on its sales or had stock or something. 

I do think it's funny seeing all the proclamations that the system is dead already.  Thought the same thing about the 3DS months ago.

[MrAngryFace]

I soooo don't care bout sales

[bork]

I soooo don't care bout sales

I have to admit, I cared about what was on top back when I was in the third grade.  Nintendo vs. Sega made for some pretty hardcore discussion at the lunch table!

[Bebpo]

real talk: never heard the words "i don't care about sales" uttered by anyone whose pet toy wasn't losin' hardcore

I like videogames so they are all my pet toys.  I enjoy competition from all the parties involved and a thriving market.  Something Japan tends to always lack unfortunately.

[Joe Molotov]

Oh yeah, well I don't care about sales even harder than you guys don't care about them!

[MrAngryFace]

I buy everything awww yeah

[Bebpo]

I buy everything awww yeah

BUT WHERE DO YOU FIT IT ALL??

[MrAngryFace]

rabbits

[Shaka Khan]

I don't care about sales, I just like seeing attached manchildren cry bitter tears. It nicely balances the sourness of my soul.

[bork]

actually jjs prefers nintendo

which is kinda the point, everyone has favourites, and it's a bit silly when people can't just fess up to that, because if you can admit it, you can at least still have discussion

it's when people put on some b.s. show of being indifferent that conversations get really stupid

I have favorites.

Favorite game series and developers, that is.  I don't really care which platform it is unless it affects the way the game turns out-- I hate waggle so I'm not a fan of playing games on the Wii, for example. Not a fan of motion control-stuff either.

Speaking of that, someone on GAF literally begged me to try Uncharted Golden Abyss with the gyro controls on after I complained how much the analog stick aiming sucks.  Have to admit, it really does make the game a hell of a lot more playable with motion aiming enabled.

[Shaka Khan]

Everyone has a preference, but only manbabies have agendas. And sales-age is a nursery these days.

[Eel O'Brian]

actually jjs prefers nintendo

which is kinda the point, everyone has favourites, and it's a bit silly when people can't just fess up to that, because if you can admit it, you can at least still have discussion

it's when people put on some b.s. show of being indifferent that conversations get really stupid

i can honestly say i don't have a specific favorite, every system/pc has its + and -, other than i just really don't care for nintendo stuff all that much

i keep trying, fuck, i bought and sold THREE wiis, but none of their stuff has ever appealed to me enough to hang on  (note that this is not a comment on the quality of their games, just personal preference)

i do play more on pc than anywhere else, but that's mainly because i have a fuckton of cheap/gifted games on steam

[cool breeze]

I prefer the Vita to the 3DS.  Not beating around the bush or anything.  I preferred the PSP hardware too, but liked/played the DS more because it had better software (and the touch screen).

I dunno.  I remember seeing "software makes the system" as a defense for bad hardware, and while that's true, the software would be better on the better hardware.  I played all third party games last gen on the PC or Xbox (with few exceptions like Tony Hawk and SSX), and most third party games I bought for my PC or 360.  Sometimes reading gaf makes me feel like I'm crazy for thinking this way. 

[MrAngryFace]

PSP had better games. Real talk LOLllllllll

[Bebpo]

The Wii is definitely the least favorite system of mine thanks to motion control city since I am no good with these motion control things.  When it has normal PS2 games like Xenoblade though or Mario Galaxy, even Wii is cool with me.

[Great Rumbler]

The Wii really disappointed me.  I genuinely enjoyed the first year and a bit of it, because Nintendo dropped a whole ton of good games on it in a very short span of time (mostly carry-overs from Gamecube), but man it dried up badly.

That said I tend to have a bias *for* Nintendo handhelds and a bias *against* Nintendo home consoles, so maybe I'ma just fullofit.

No, you're definitely not. I leaned far to the Nintendo side and the Wii was still a massive disappointment for me [for exactly the reason you mentioned].

[bork]

PSP had better games. Real talk LOLllllllll

Agreed.  I spent more time with my PSP than my DS.  I enjoyed a few puzzle games, the Castlevanias, Contra IV, Bleach DS2, and the Ace Attorney series on the DS, and that was about it.

The Wii is definitely the least favorite system of mine thanks to motion control city since I am no good with these motion control things.  When it has normal PS2 games like Xenoblade though or Mario Galaxy, even Wii is cool with me.

Also agreed.  Some of the games I liked that used regular controls would also end up getting (better) ports to other platforms, like Samurai Warriors 3, or would be brought down by the Wii's limitations (Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom's shitty matchmaking system).

I did enjoy Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition, however.  The controls worked really well for that game.

[chronovore]

JBores, who's getting a Vita?  I know DCharlie is...that's a given.

I bought a PSP so I could play GTA on the go. Now I can play GTA III or Chinatown Wars on my iPod.

I'm living sans-Vita.

So, in other words, you'll be buying a Vita when a GTA or a Saint's Row is released?    Did either 3D PSP GTA have camera controls set to the face buttons?  I can't remember.

No, there were not any such controls on PSP. I think you could "chord" controls with the analog nubbie! But that wasn't compatible with my preferred control scheme. I don't call there being any specific controls for camera on DS.

Wasn't there an announced Saints Row for one of the handheld platforms?

[maxy]

Wasn't there an announced Saints Row for one of the handheld platforms?

That was canceled,i think.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I cancelled my Vita pre-order.

The biggest reason is that it will tank hard in the US and want to see what Sony will do to react to that.  Will they have TV out?  Generous price drop (even though the thing is cheap when you consider value)?  Eliminate region locking (probably unlikely)?  Or will you get a nice voucher for free PSN shit to download Vita games?  I don't expect the Vita to last long either and am buying it with the intentions of getting 1-2 years of content for the thing.  This assumes that there won't be a PSP type thing where xseed, NIS, and Fatlus pick up the slack because there's no guarantee that they will be willing to do that with the Vita.

As much as I hate it, I think iOS is the future of portable gaming.  Even though the shitware ratio is enough to make the Atari 2600 seem good, it is the future of handheld gaming.  I can't stand playing most games on my iPhone (there are a few good games for it, I'm not saying there's nothing good on the thing) and it shocks me that people who hate on waggle are creaming their pants over playing games on their phone.  Nevertheless, smartphones are becoming so ubiquitous to the point where 7 and 8 year olds have an iPhone or a Droid phone with plenty of content to serve them, teenagers, hipster douchebags, and people who like Cave shooters.  The economy is also as such that people are probably just going to get one handheld device and the answer is clearly the smartphone.  I somewhat expect Vita to be the last Sony handheld before they pack up their shit and go home.

[maxy]

devs should start porting old PC games to iphone

oh look half-life 2 with shitty controls is on my (i)phone

 

[bork]

I cancelled my Vita pre-order.

The biggest reason is that it will tank hard in the US and want to see what Sony will do to react to that.  Will they have TV out?

I think dev units already have this, but TV-out is gonna be weird when you have games with motion controls and front/back touchscreen controls getting in the way.

Generous price drop (even though the thing is cheap when you consider value)?

 

Not any time soon.  Can certainly see the Wi-Fi model dropping to $199 in a year or two though.

Eliminate region locking (probably unlikely)? 

Vita is already region-free.

I don't expect the Vita to last long either and am buying it with the intentions of getting 1-2 years of content for the thing.  This assumes that there won't be a PSP type thing where xseed, NIS, and Fatlus pick up the slack because there's no guarantee that they will be willing to do that with the Vita.

What makes you think this? 

As much as I hate it, I think iOS is the future of portable gaming.  Even though the shitware ratio is enough to make the Atari 2600 seem good, it is the future of handheld gaming.  I can't stand playing most games on my iPhone (there are a few good games for it, I'm not saying there's nothing good on the thing) and it shocks me that people who hate on waggle are creaming their pants over playing games on their phone.  Nevertheless, smartphones are becoming so ubiquitous to the point where 7 and 8 year olds have an iPhone or a Droid phone with plenty of content to serve them, teenagers, hipster douchebags, and people who like Cave shooters.  The economy is also as such that people are probably just going to get one handheld device and the answer is clearly the smartphone.  I somewhat expect Vita to be the last Sony handheld before they pack up their shit and go home.

3DS has already sold millions of systems worldwide.  I expect that the Vita will follow (but not sell as many systems, of course) in 8-10 months too.  People still clearly want gaming handhelds.  It's true that iOS/Android/whatever is what's taken over, but who cares?  You already said that you hate gaming on your iPhone...who gives a shit what others are playing?

[MCD]

My home network setup isn't friendly with regular old WPA so I need Vita for my WPA2 fix.

Fuck you, PSPGO.

[MrAngryFace]

I've also learned that Sony is totally cool with supporting their last place hardware, so sign me up

[maxy]

I've also learned that Sony doesn't care about profits and that they are the last refuge for hardcore gamers(the other two are gimmick riding douchebags),so sign me up too.

[naff]

What i've learned - there are no games that can save the Vita, only nintendo games sell handhelds

Isn't there a CoD game coming to Vita rumoured for release late this year?

[Damian79]

PSP had better games. Real talk LOLllllllll

Agreed.  I spent more time with my PSP than my DS.  I enjoyed a few puzzle games, the Castlevanias, Contra IV, Bleach DS2, and the Ace Attorney series on the DS, and that was about it.

Reverse for me.   i spent 1/5th of my time playing psp as i played the ds.  The ds has much better RPG's SRPG's.

[Damian79]

I think they're pretty even keel for RPGs, actually.  The DS had a better selection of them in the first few years, but then it tapered off a bit and the PSP had a surge in RPGs.

Not really.

DS has:
Etrian Odyessy 1-3
SMT Strange Journey
SMT: Devil Survivor 1-2
Radian Historia
Orcs and Elves
Chrono Trigger
DQ Joker 1-2
DQ 4-6
FF-4
Fighting Fantasy: Warlock of Firetop Mountain
Lunar Knights
Mazes of Fate
Suikoden Teirkreis
World Ends with You
Infinte Space

And those are only the godd games of the rpgs on the DS, Gamefaqs has 3.5 pages of RPGS for it, 2.5 for the psp


PSP has:

Tactics Ogre
Mana Khemia 1-2
Persona 1-3(though i woudl never touch these i admit they were good games)
Star Ocean 1-2
YS Ark Of napishtim and oath of Felghana
Suikoden 1&2
Class of Heroes
Legend of Heroes:Traisl in the Sky

Rest were crap.

EDIT:  Forgot Suikoden for the PSP.
EDIT 2: Added some more games.  CoH, Trails in the sky and Infinite Space for the DS.

[cool breeze]

you admitted to visiting gamefaqs to incite list warzzz

[Damian79]

you admitted to visiting gamefaqs to incite list warzzz

Nah i played all these games and more(except for the psp personas and mana khemias).

[Damian79]

I never heard of Trails in the Sky.  Is that the Solatorobo game?  Then my point still stands.

[Damian79]

How do you figure i have some kind of bias?

[Damian79]

I listed persona games on there.  i am just not interested inn the school semester/day setup of those games and the psone versiosn of persona soured me to it all since it takes so much time with the story and it was unskippable on the psone.  I only like one of Mana Khemia games for that reason i coudlnt stand any more of it.

And I thoguth the legend of heroes games were mediocre?  Thats why i never played them.

As for Fighting fantasy beign bad look at the user reviews.  Not a single bad review on there for it.  If you take the reviews of review sites rather than actual players then i dont knwo what to say to you.  And star ocean games are awesome.  Much better than the sequels.

Ys 7 was far too easy for my liking.

If that makes me prefer Nintendo then so be it.

[maxy]

meh,list wars

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-01-07-little-deviants-review

7/10

[Damian79]

Hmm...  Legend of Heroes looks really good.

[Van Cruncheon]

class of heroes shits from a great height on fighting fantasy and orcs/elves

plus psp has the  best version of ff4

[MrAngryFace]

Trails in the Sky rulez

[MrAngryFace]

and wait what DQ Joker games are on your list? R U KIDDING MEZ.

[Joe Molotov]

Might as well put Lunar: Dragon Song and Children of Mana on the list. More great Nintendo exclusives.

[MrAngryFace]

Lunar Dragon Song? Really?

Children of Mana and Summon Night Twin Age were good though- far as touch based actions rpgs go.

[Joe Molotov]

That was a joke, MAF.

[MrAngryFace]

PSP also had the superior phantasy star games, PS0 was janky ugly garbage.

The good Children of Mana shouldnt be confused with the abysmal Heroes of Mana

[Joe Molotov]

I didn't care for either one, but yeah Heroes of Mana was far worse.

[Himu]

ds and psp are both amazing systems with awesome libraries. i prefer psp, though, as I feel it has better emphasis on non-story games and more on pick up and play games. the quality of puzzle games on the system is amazing.

[Bebpo]

plus psp has the  best version of ff4

 

[tiesto]

PSP also has Hexyz Force, Mimana Ayar Chronicles and Gungnir

[magus]

PSP has a lot of D-- RPG

jeanne d'arc had at least a neat premise and the usual awesome level 5 art treatment behind it
oh and for the record of psp vs ds,i'd say DS simply because....

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

How do you figure i have some kind of bias?

 

oh lawd

You have Nintendo's cock so far up your ass that it's tickling your tonsils.

[Damian79]

and wait what DQ Joker games are on your list? R U KIDDING MEZ.

They were much better than the pokemon games or the fossil fighters games.  The pokemon games were rubbish on the ds.



As for class of heroes i should have gotten that too.  Looks really good.

I like this quote:

whats wrong. youve never played any mid 80's dungeon crawl rpgs befor? its pretty much swords n serpents with a new front end. at least Atlus had the balls to make something that was originaly a forgotten archtype

I dont get the hate for fighting fantasy, orcs and elves just barely made the list since i enjoyed it a lot.

[Damian79]

How do you figure i have some kind of bias?

 

oh lawd

You have Nintendo's cock so far up your ass that it's tickling your tonsils.

W/E i am not going to be convinced unless you can quantify your argument.

[Damian79]

user reviews for Fighting Fantasy:

http://au.gamespot.com/fighting-fantasy-the-warlock-of-firetop-mountain/user-reviews/platform/ds

http://www.metacritic.com/game/ds/fighting-fantasy-the-warlock-of-firetop-mountain/user-reviews

[Damian79]

well those user reviews certainly override my own experiences with the game

very convincing, sir

What was your problem with Fighting Fantasy?  The controls?

[Damian79]

well those user reviews certainly override my own experiences with the game

very convincing, sir

edit: oh man, this user review thing is awesome

http://www.metacritic.com/game/wii/nights-journey-of-dreams/user-reviews

my shitty pet distinguished mentally-challenged fellow game is better than your shitty pet distinguished mentally-challenged fellow game

Looks at the people who bothered to write a review for the game not the the user scores.  I have no idea on Nights since i only play rpgs.  FF is a love or hate game, it is one of those games that is very hard for an rpg and very old school.  I am an old school gamer, hence why i generally prefer pc games.

[Damian79]

the controls were my biggest problem with the game.  the game has a brutal difficulty curve and a lot of that is down to the controls being fundamentally busted.  i also ran into an unacceptable number of bugs (lol western rpgs) and found the game to have too little content - a single stratum in EO provides more gameplay time and variety.

believe me, i really wanted to like it, the book was in my bag all the time when i was in junior high, but it's just not very good.  i'm glad you like it, but you're not going to convince anyone of the validity of your list if you keep it on there.

prole is right - class of heroes shits on it (yeah yeah i know, real-time combat vs turn-based, but w/e), etrian odyssey definitely shits on it, hell, dark spire even shits on it.

Yeah i didnt have a problem with the controls and i dont mind the short length.  I guess agree to disagree there.  I cant stand games with too much black in them hence why i woudl never touch dark spire or that Wizardry game on the DS if it ever gets releasesd stateside.

[Damian79]

i don't remember having to manipulate eight buttons at once while licking a touch screen when playing wizardry, but i guess things may have been different where you are from

i hate it when people use 'old school' as an excuse for a poor or lazy effort.  fighting fantasy isn't 'old school', it's just poorly designed and badly implemented.

Thats true.  I meant old school not in terms of controls but in terms of gameplay otherwise.

[Joe Molotov]

Orcs & Elves was like a three hour game. Pretty good for an iOS game, but not very meaty.

[Damian79]

I had fun with Orcs and Elves but it's not even very good by iOS standards.  It's a port of a cell phone game.  Not a smartphone game, but a cell phone game.  As a cell phone game in that era, it was exceptional.  As a DS game in that era, it was fun but absurdly overpriced.

Yeah i would have skipped it if i had a cellphone.  I still dont have one(i hate talking to people on a phone).  I only put it on there because i had fun with it.

[Damian79]

Is it possibel to split the thread.  I feel like i am shitting up the psvita thread.

[demi]

There's only 2 available anyway - Wolf and Doom RPG

[cool breeze]

yes

(only through the PSP emulationthing it seems, but PSP homebrew stuff on Vita is still great)