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« Reply #120 on: December 09, 2011, 12:40:45 PM »
Huh? People with taste complain about one battle theme because we've been exposed to SMT, which has 3 or so depending on the game. but that's the distinction: jrpg fans complain about it. final fantasy fans don't. final fantasy fans tend to not be jrpg fans.
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« Reply #121 on: December 09, 2011, 12:44:36 PM »
I can tolerate 13's theme moreso than the past games. It's not so much liking it, it's the fact you have to hear it over the course of 60 hours. And 13 is good.

I can't stomach especially 8's. horrible theme.
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« Reply #122 on: December 09, 2011, 12:45:22 PM »
the problem with 13's is that they use it as the main action theme when outside of battle at least 5 times

shit is overdone.
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« Reply #123 on: December 09, 2011, 12:47:30 PM »
Huh? People with taste complain about one battle theme because we've been exposed to SMT, which has 3 or so depending on the game. but that's the distinction: jrpg fans complain about it. final fantasy fans don't. final fantasy fans tend to not be jrpg fans.

persona 3 has one battle theme too but i don't see anybody ever complain
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« Reply #124 on: December 09, 2011, 12:49:08 PM »
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« Reply #125 on: December 09, 2011, 01:26:21 PM »
Huh? People with taste complain about one battle theme because we've been exposed to SMT, which has 3 or so depending on the game. but that's the distinction: jrpg fans complain about it. final fantasy fans don't. final fantasy fans tend to not be jrpg fans.

persona 3 has one battle theme too but i don't see anybody ever complain

Thing is though, Persona 3 has one of the best OST's of pretty much all time

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« Reply #126 on: December 09, 2011, 01:34:12 PM »
Huh? People with taste complain about one battle theme because we've been exposed to SMT, which has 3 or so depending on the game. but that's the distinction: jrpg fans complain about it. final fantasy fans don't. final fantasy fans tend to not be jrpg fans.

persona 3 has one battle theme too but i don't see anybody ever complain

DUH NUH NUH NUH

DA DUH NUH NUH NUH 

yeah, i definitely hate that.  The persona games do music pretty terribly...the same damn songs the whole time

nocturne is still the best jrpg
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« Reply #127 on: December 09, 2011, 01:43:14 PM »
Quote
DUH NUH NUH NUH

DA DUH NUH NUH NUH 

yeah, i definitely hate that.  The persona games do music pretty terribly...the same damn songs the whole time

nocturne is still the best jrpg

Opera/Modern


Jazz/Modern




Modern/Electric


Modern/Hip Hop


Modern/Pop




Really? Really? Each song has very different influences
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« Reply #128 on: December 09, 2011, 01:50:59 PM »
I never felt like...a Sistine opera, I never felt like the ice cream would bounce away
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« Reply #129 on: December 09, 2011, 01:53:43 PM »
I never felt like...a Sistine opera, I never felt like the ice cream would bounce away
Here you go


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« Reply #130 on: December 09, 2011, 02:08:14 PM »


This vid is sick
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Himu

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« Reply #131 on: December 09, 2011, 02:08:14 PM »
Momo, he's talking about how you're in one location the entire game and the songs rarely change, which isn't true because songs are seasonal, but he still has a point. In any case, DDS1 is Meguro's best ost.
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« Reply #132 on: December 09, 2011, 02:08:59 PM »
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« Reply #133 on: December 09, 2011, 02:11:47 PM »
Noel is beast
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« Reply #134 on: December 09, 2011, 02:13:28 PM »
The music :o

shit hot
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« Reply #135 on: December 09, 2011, 02:19:11 PM »


:o :bow
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« Reply #136 on: December 09, 2011, 02:22:18 PM »
Meguro :bow


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« Reply #137 on: December 09, 2011, 03:03:32 PM »
Momo, he's talking about how you're in one location the entire game and the songs rarely change, which isn't true because songs are seasonal, but he still has a point. In any case, DDS1 is Meguro's best ost.


I don't remember the seasonal changes bringing very different music, just different mixes.   and considering how long you are in a season, it's still pretty unacceptable to me. 


anyway, that XIII-2 vid is shit hot.  I can't wait for this. 

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« Reply #138 on: December 10, 2011, 11:53:35 PM »
fwiw, having one normal battle theme was a policy of Nobuo Uematsu's and he explained the purpose of it as wanting to make boss battles and other unusual situations stand out more, so when you get into a boss battle or whatever and something different starts playing you think "ooh, something unusual is happening" more than if the music were always changing anyway. I don't personally agree with this and would rather have multiple battle themes but it's not like FF games skimp on the quantity and variety of music overall - they usually have 4-disc, 80+ track soundtracks.
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« Reply #139 on: December 11, 2011, 02:21:22 AM »
It's just that they used that battle theme everywhere, trailers, cutscenes....etc.

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« Reply #140 on: December 11, 2011, 02:21:57 AM »
Yeah, I was tired of 13's battle theme by the time the game came out.

Where is more 13-2 media?!?!!?
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« Reply #141 on: December 11, 2011, 10:48:56 AM »
that makes no sense.   have rotating, less dramatic battle themes and some that are much different in tone for boss battles, uematsu :derp    of course, he might just be saying this because the way it was done was his only option, on the orders of a clueless director/producer.

i think it's important to be mindful of music use in games, but he didn't think past his nose to realize that people play final fantasy games for 40+ hours and that people are well aware when they've hit a dramatic moment...yes it would be bad if a boss battle used the same battle theme as regular enemies, so uh...just don't use the same theme. 

More importantly, as a musician, he should know that that is too fucking long to be listening to the same 2 minute clip over and over, with the occasional break for a boss battle every 10 hours.  Eventually, I'm just ignoring his work because I don't care how nice a battle theme is, it's not nice after hearing it loop for 10+ hours.   It's literally absurd how much you have to hear the same music in these games and for absolutely no reason, nowadays. 

I'm guessing a lot of these composers have been hamstrung in the past with cart size and disc size limits, forcing them to use one battle theme.  Then, in typical rigid japanese fashion, they just plain never thought to ever change it, once it became possible to be more creative with use of music, thanks to larger disc sizes.  Of course, Nocturne proves that there has been no reason to use music as if it were an 8 or 16 bit game since last gen.  But we saw XIII basically use the same theme to death and i'd bet my nuts that XIII-2 will do the same thing.  It feels a bit condescending, like they just don't care to fix this one obvious flaw because fans don't care/notice.



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« Reply #142 on: December 11, 2011, 04:46:01 PM »


(watch in 720p)
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« Reply #144 on: December 11, 2011, 04:52:50 PM »
Wait, that video is old :(
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« Reply #145 on: December 11, 2011, 05:07:32 PM »
Yeah, I was tired of 13's battle theme by the time the game came out.

Where is more 13-2 media?!?!!?

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« Reply #146 on: December 11, 2011, 05:32:34 PM »
Vanille version 2.0 :o
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« Reply #147 on: December 11, 2011, 06:53:12 PM »
the return of magus  :o


historia crux vid is hot.  might be the first JRPG I unqualifiedly like this gen.  (no PC to run Last Remnant PC.  Vesperia = too long, Lost Odyssey = too boring, FFXIII = like/hate, all the rest = lol.) 

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« Reply #148 on: December 11, 2011, 07:13:07 PM »
You were praising Dark Souls, a jrpg, just the other week.
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« Reply #149 on: December 11, 2011, 07:16:48 PM »
if you wanna get technical, Dark Souls and Demon's' Souls's really are more of a 50/50 hardcore action game/rpg hybrid, where everything else I mentioned is pretty firmly identifiable as "jrpg" as we know it. 

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« Reply #150 on: December 11, 2011, 07:19:43 PM »
True. But the rpg elements are strong enough I think they qualify as rpgs. apples and oranges, I know.

haven't played blue dragon?
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« Reply #151 on: December 11, 2011, 07:24:21 PM »
the demo really turned me off.  had the same problem as Lost Odyssey where everything felt slow and simplistic

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« Reply #152 on: December 12, 2011, 03:15:28 AM »


:lol
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« Reply #153 on: December 12, 2011, 08:31:14 AM »
the return of magus  :o


historia crux vid is hot.  might be the first JRPG I unqualifiedly like this gen.  (no PC to run Last Remnant PC.  Vesperia = too long, Lost Odyssey = too boring, FFXIII = like/hate, all the rest = lol.)

I don't see Resonance of Fate on that list... or Xenoblade :P
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« Reply #154 on: December 12, 2011, 08:45:20 AM »
I started Resonance a bunch of times.  It's certainly unique, but for some reason, I couldn't stick to it. 

i'm busted on xenoblade

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« Reply #155 on: December 12, 2011, 10:48:09 AM »
i have yes to finish Resonance of Fate, fucking backlogs.


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« Reply #156 on: December 12, 2011, 11:34:07 AM »
I wonder what will be next-gen's DLC meaning something distasteful that will ruin its generation.

DLC patches.
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« Reply #157 on: December 13, 2011, 05:57:21 PM »
This game's soundtrack fucking owns.

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« Reply #158 on: December 13, 2011, 06:02:17 PM »
This game's soundtrack fucking owns.



Sounds like a lost track from Sonic 3.
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« Reply #159 on: December 13, 2011, 06:30:22 PM »
it totally does
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« Reply #160 on: December 13, 2011, 06:30:45 PM »
aka awesome
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« Reply #161 on: December 13, 2011, 07:43:55 PM »
i clicked on it expecting some ok fantasy shit, but that is actually shit-hot
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« Reply #162 on: December 13, 2011, 07:58:21 PM »
Xanadu is the Gold Saucer of the game, btw

That's why it sounds like some old 90s Commercial
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« Reply #163 on: December 13, 2011, 08:14:15 PM »
This soundtrack is fucking incredible. I just started listening to it but the tracks I've heard so far are some of the most electic music I've heard in an RPG (or perhaps a game). You have everything from classical FF to several genres of electronic music to jazz to blues to rock to some actually good vocal tracks.

The main theme of this soundtrack I'd say is definitely ambience.

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« Reply #165 on: December 13, 2011, 08:15:21 PM »
I'm gonna laugh my ass off hearing that during chocobo races. Or, even, just riding around  :lol :lol

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« Reply #166 on: December 13, 2011, 08:16:45 PM »
This game's soundtrack fucking owns.





::)

That is the only bad song in this soundtrack so far. Go back to Nintendo games.
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« Reply #167 on: December 13, 2011, 08:20:16 PM »
himuro get on facebook i want to chat with you about this

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« Reply #168 on: December 13, 2011, 08:25:52 PM »
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« Reply #170 on: December 13, 2011, 08:36:23 PM »
That Chocobo song is AMAZING
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« Reply #172 on: December 13, 2011, 08:47:42 PM »
It's by the same guy who rapped during DMC3 battle themes.

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« Reply #173 on: December 13, 2011, 08:52:46 PM »
i'm on fb chat bitch
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« Reply #174 on: December 13, 2011, 08:59:01 PM »
God i was gonna buy this game and now i decided not to.

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« Reply #175 on: December 13, 2011, 10:26:46 PM »
Holy shit, Japan is totally 10 years behind America in terms of music... first it was buttrock, now it's nu-metal... in 3-4 years we will have dirty south rap in j-games... then in 10 years we can look forward to dubstep :P
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« Reply #176 on: December 13, 2011, 10:43:12 PM »
there's practically every other electronic genre besides dubstep in the game

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« Reply #177 on: December 13, 2011, 11:00:52 PM »
Holy shit, Japan is totally 10 years behind America in terms of music... first it was buttrock, now it's nu-metal... in 3-4 years we will have dirty south rap in j-games... then in 10 years we can look forward to dubstep :P

Uhhhh



This was 10 years ago. Japan isn't behind at all.
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« Reply #178 on: December 13, 2011, 11:06:17 PM »
Game's not out in Japan but watch this:



(watch in 720p)

and this:



And we can see improvements to the game over the original FF13 already.

Game looks fantastic. Looks like FF13 done right.
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« Reply #179 on: December 13, 2011, 11:11:19 PM »
Hello disgruntled JRPG fanboy here.

Haven't been following this game much, actually not at all. Wondering what's supposed to be different this time around and if early impressions have been good, what say you Bore?
There's a ton of improvements to the first game in pretty much every aspect.

http://ja.twitch.tv/teakdoc

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