1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2

[Bebpo]

Game got a 40/40 in Famitsu.

But considering Skyward Sword, which is the worst 3d Zelda got a 40/40 and FFXIII which is the worst FF got a 39/40....lol famitsu lol


Meanwhile legitimately good games like Skyrim and Gundam Extreme get 39/40s.  Famitsu reviews would be nice if you could parse out which ones get the higher scores "just because" and which ones do because they are great games.

[iconoclast]

I thought Skyrim got a 40.

So FFXIII2 is as good as Skyrim which is as good as Nintendogs.

[Bebpo]

And MGS4

and Zelda 7.5

[Don Flamenco]

40/40, told you guys this game was perfect

haters owned   

[Himu]

FFXIII-2 OR SSX?!?!?!?!?

[Bebpo]

SSX should get a 41/40

It's just that awesome (assuming it is as good as SSX1-3)

[Himu]

BORYS ARE YOU HYPED FOR FF13-2 CUZ I AM

[Momo]

NAILED IT

Not even close

[Cerveza mas fina]

Except FF12 was great (except Vaan), but apperently too rough for people who fantasize about jap girls crying when big white man puts his penis in.

[Don Flamenco]

ashe seemed too unavailable and confident in herself.  She spent all that time worrying about avenging her dead boyfriend when I'm right here for her!  And fran isn't all "watashi wa fran bunny ears-u desu ne hehehe ^__^;"    

[Momo]

FFXII annoyed people mostly due to the battle systems (in my experience)

[Don Flamenco]

FFXII annoyed people mostly due to the battle systems (in my experience)

yeah, but we are smarter than that.  we know it was the earth tone color palette and lack of silly skits where Basch walks in on Penelo showering and blushes while she naively and happily jumps around with a towel that keeps almost falling off. 

[magus]

the characters in FF12 had names?

there was a plot?

[magus]

you know i like that scene,most people post it and go "hur dur it's awkward he sounds like a crow" but as i see it that's the whole point of it

[Cerveza mas fina]

Magus I think you are confused.

The thing is FF12 actually had characters and a plot and not stereotypes and fanfiction like 13.

But being raised on jrpg and animu you are forgiven.

[tiesto]

FFXII annoyed people mostly due to the battle systems (in my experience)

I didn't like FFXII due to the battle system, atrocious loot system, and the emptiness of the world, game really had ridiculous amounts of filler in it.

[magus]

Do not address me anymore in the future, magus.

ehy i wouldn't address anyone who like a game with this in it anyway

[Don Flamenco]

Do not address me anymore in the future, magus.

ehy i wouldn't address anyone who like a game with this in it anyway

actually a pretty cute scene and a great counterexample to moms are tough and ffx laughing...less is more when they show things instead of slamming you over the head with terrible, blunt dialogue. 


If Sephiroth said some lame super villain dialogue when he kills Aeris, that would cheapen that scene too.  Though i'd still be sad on the first play through cause that was my healer dammit

[Cerveza mas fina]

That fmv is better then anything I saw in FF13.

[magus]

actually a pretty cute scene and a great counterexample to moms are tough and ffx laughing...less is more when they show things instead of slamming you over the head with terrible, blunt dialogue.

[demi]

Magus I think you are confused.

The thing is FF12 actually had characters and a plot and not stereotypes and fanfiction like 13.

But being raised on jrpg and animu you are forgiven.

You're welcome to tell me what both of these are

[Momo]

Final Fantasy VIII was a fun game, adored Edea and Laguna

[Momo]

magus
Master of turn based lepering

[Himu]

i thought ff12 annoyed people because it was less than half finished upon release

can see why westaboos like it though, they're pretty much used to that shit

You mean FFXIII, right?

[Cerveza mas fina]

i thought ff12 annoyed people because it was less than half finished upon release

can see why westaboos like it though, they're pretty much used to that shit

better half finished then ill-conceived

[magus]

scumbag final fantasy fan

*complains about have to hit autobattle everytime in FF13*

*is okay with just sitting back and watching FF12 play itself*

[Momo]

Most FF fans are scumbags of some form though

[Himu]

scumbag final fantasy fan

*complains about have to hit autobattle everytime in FF13*

*is okay with just sitting back and watching FF12 play itself*

my ff12 never played itself

[magus]

not my fault you suck at the game himuro

[Himu]

huh? limit gambit usage and the game won't be on autopilot. how is that hard to understand?

[magus]

huh? limit gambit usage and the game won't be on autopilot. how is that hard to understand?

oh sure sure "limit the auto-attack usage and the game won't be on autopilot. how is that hard to understand?"

have you really tried playing FF12 without gambits? i did! it wasn't pretty

[Great Rumbler]

huh? limit gambit usage and the game won't be on autopilot. how is that hard to understand?

have you really tried playing FF12 without gambits? i did! it wasn't pretty

So you're saying you suck at the game?

[Himu]

I played FF12 without gambits for 50 hours on wait mode. I didn't say DON'T use gambits. I said LIMIT your gambits, as in, don't make a gambit for every action. Just for stuff you're going to do anyways.

[Mr. Gundam]

I purposely played with all gambits turned off. It actually played like a turn-based JRPG that way.

[Himu]

It plays like a turn based rpg with them on.

[Himu]

huh? limit gambit usage and the game won't be on autopilot. how is that hard to understand?

oh sure sure "limit the auto-attack usage and the game won't be on autopilot. how is that hard to understand?"

have you really tried playing FF12 without gambits? i did! it wasn't pretty

the thing about gambits is that...the game isn't playing by itself because you created that gambit set up and you adjust your strategy depending on what happens. In this fight, the guy is getting targeted by about 2-3 guys at once, so he deliberately seperates one of them from the rest of the pack so he can take him on by himself, then he tries to blind him, and uses support magic and items on his party when necessary. As he whittles down the enemy, he adjusts his strategy. That is not "playing by itself", there are many things going on at once in this battle. It may not be your thing, but it hardly plays itself, especially since you have complete control over your entire party.

[magus]

huh? limit gambit usage and the game won't be on autopilot. how is that hard to understand?

oh sure sure "limit the auto-attack usage and the game won't be on autopilot. how is that hard to understand?"

have you really tried playing FF12 without gambits? i did! it wasn't pretty

the thing about gambits is that...the game isn't playing by itself because you created that gambit set up and you adjust your strategy depending on what happens. In this fight, the guy is getting targeted by about 2-3 guys at once, so he deliberately seperates one of them from the rest of the pack so he can take him on by himself, then he tries to blind him, and uses support magic and items on his party when necessary. As he whittles down the enemy, he adjusts his strategy. That is not "playing by itself", there are many things going on at once in this battle. It may not be your thing, but it hardly plays itself, especially since you have complete control over your entire party.

don't kid yourself himuro,a guy tanks,one heals,the other cast spells,throw one of those complicated for the sake of complicated mist chain and that's how 90% of the fight in FF12 goes,and you will never need to fix that because everybody will fall for it,the whole game falls down the same instant you get access to bubble

and besides that video does use gambit,i tought we were talking about not using gambit for any single character? because if we are talking about using gambit for 2 characters and not the one you control that's how i played it and it's still way too automated

[Himu]

I don't use mist. Mist sucks.

I didn't say don't use gambits. Can you read?!?!?!?!?

In any case, when people say FFXIII "plays itself" we mean absence of control. You have zero say in what the other team mates are doing and can't customize their actions. In FFXII, you can. This makes the game feel like it's completely automated since most of the battles up until the last third of the game can be beaten by simply pressing auto battle.

[magus]

I didn't say don't use gambits. Can you read?!?!?!?!?

what? you are the one that said

I played FF12 without gambits for 50 hours on wait mode.

You have zero say in what the other team mates are doing

but you do have control what your other team mates are doing,it's called switching paradigm and there won't be any magic robot that will switch it for you when your HP dips below 50%,in FF12 you might as well not pay any attention to what's happening

This makes the game feel like it's completely automated since most of the battles up until the last third of the game can be beaten by simply pressing auto battle.

and what's wrong with that? steal -> attack until HP = 0 tells you anything?

[Himu]

I played FFXII on wait mode with no gambits and it sucked. I hated it.

Then I started using gambits and fell in love with the game.

Paradigm shifting sucks because it's just swithcing modes. Typically, in FFXIII, you're on the offensive and using rav -> rav -> com or something in combination with autobattle. So when your hp is depleted you switch to med, heal up, and then switch again. It feels like you're not in control because sometimes my guys don't heal me in time, or sometimes they'll do something I don't want them to do. The result is a very vapid battle system that doesn't take advantage of the full use of its systems until the very end of the game.

In FFXII, you customize every single layer of your character's input and actions. They won't do ANYTHING you don't tell them to do. You have complete control over your party, and if something goes bad, you can adjust depending on the situation and play style. You will very often get damaged heavily and be on a complete defensive. This is especially true since a lot of enemies appear that are far higher level than you and you can venture into places where enemies are 10, 20, or 30 times higher than you in level, but with the right strategy, you can totally take them on.

Notice how in the video I posted, the character's are running out of mp, resources are light, and they're using any and every thing to stay alive while slowing chipping away enemy after enemy, separating enemies from their pack, and using full use of the game's systems.

[magus]

Paradigm shifting sucks because it's just swithcing modes.

and switching gambits it's not just switching modes?

It feels like you're not in control because sometimes my guys don't heal me in time

and i love that! when that happens it's your fault for not switching rapidly enough,no gambit will save your ass and that's how it should work

you're on the offensive and using rav -> rav -> com or something in combination with autobattle. So when your hp is depleted you switch to med, heal up, and then switch again.

and you think FF12 is more complicated? the game where you can kill enemies in a single attack by just hitting them with the -aga spell they are weak against and the spell that makes you basicaly invincinble?

or sometimes they'll do something I don't want them to do.

at worst they will cast the defensive buff before the offensive one,if you have problem with that,take the role of the buffer and do it yourself,you have to be a pretty big control freak to have a problem with that

but with the right strategy, you can totally take them on.

well then let's talk about this supposed strategy that involves something you can do in FF12 but not in FF13,beside "i can divide enemies because i'm in a MMO like enviroment"

[demi]

why do you always get in this argument? i think we established that 12 is poo butter.

[Positive Touch]

himu you're arguing with a guy that shits on almost every quality game he touches, yet whines about how pedo rpgs and japanese gimmick crap don't get translated.  he constantly bitches about the lack of weeaboo whimsy.  he tried to argue that level design is not a factor in games.  WALK AWAY HIMU, WALK AWAY

[magus]

himu you're arguing with a guy that shits on almost every quality game he touches, yet whines about how pedo rpgs and japanese gimmick crap don't get translated.  he constantly bitches about the lack of weeaboo whimsy.  he tried to argue that level design is not a factor in games.  WALK AWAY HIMU, WALK AWAY

if i had any idea what is your favourite game ever i'd tell you it sucks

[Bebpo]

I like every FF

...except 13 and DS version of III.

 

[Himu]

I like every FF

...except 13 and DS version of III.

 

I like 13...it's just...well, the only thing the game has to offer are battles, battles, battles. I mean, I like the battle system, but it's not good enough to be the only thing to carry the game. It's not like it's SMT or some shit. Hell, it's not even an FFXII. Even the dungeon design is non-existent.

I think I'm going to go LOVE 13-2 for this reason.

[Positive Touch]

I like every FF

...except 13 and DS version of III.

 

add ff2 to that list to complete the trinity

[Don Flamenco]

we could make a ff garbage thread where someone just posts a FF title and people praise/bash/argue about it

[Positive Touch]

careful guys, we're getting dangerously close to list wars

[Don Flamenco]

how to destroy every ff thread ever

ff4>ff5>ff7>ff6>ff1>ff10>ff12>ff9>ff8>ff2>ff3>ff13>ff10-2

NUH UH

ffx-2 > ffxiii > ff3 > ff2 > ff8 > ff9 > ff12 > ff10 > ff1 > ff6 > ff7 > ff5 > ff4 

I hated the story in your favorite ff game so much, it was so stupid.  ugh and the character design, just proof that japanese guy's name here is the biggest distinguished mentally-challenged fellow in the video game industry your favorite ff game is the worst game ever and you have no taste in jrpgs the main character was so terrible and insert talking about everything but gameplay here

[TakingBackSunday]

how to destroy every ff thread ever

ff4>ff5>ff7>ff6>ff1>ff10>ff12>ff9>ff8>ff2>ff3>ff13>ff10-2

oh oh oh me next

VI > IV > IX > X > VII > V > XIII > VIII > III > XII > I > II

[Don Flamenco]

but really, there's no reason they shouldn't just throw in X-2 along with the X HD, since it's the same assets and all. 

[Van Cruncheon]

getting a sulfuric acid enema >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ff*

[SantaC]

FFVIII > FFXII > FFX-2 > FFVI > FFIX > FFX > FFVII > FFV > FFIII > FFIV > FFXIII

And also, Xenoblade is FFXII done right.

[Momo]

games > sex > anime > ice cream > smoking > beer > movies  < dirty poors

[magus]

I like every FF

...except 13 and DS version of III.

 

I like 13...it's just...well, the only thing the game has to offer are battles, battles, battles. I mean, I like the battle system, but it's not good enough to be the only thing to carry the game. It's not like it's SMT or some shit. Hell, it's not even an FFXII. Even the dungeon design is non-existent.

I think I'm going to go LOVE 13-2 for this reason.

there is a lot of other things to like in FF13,the music,the characters,how it looks

of course now the characters are going to be replaced by that annoying bimbo,the music has been turned into rap and the assets are going to be all recycled

square ruining another good thing yet again

[magus]

i didn't think borys would have snapped when talking about his dear serah

bet the serah wallpaper is the only reason he bothered to get 1000/1000

[Don Flamenco]

methodagus

[Himu]

there is a lot of other things to like in FF13,the music,the characters,how it looks

 

[Don Flamenco]

i have been replaying FFXIII and can confirm that those are not things to like. 


the music is good, but yeah, it's 2011 and there are still 2 battle themes for an entire 30 hour+ game, depending on how much you want to endure.   I'm surprised the jrpg fan curators of taste don't complain about this more.   Usually when I bring this up, I get "WHAT U DINT LIKE THE BATTLE THEME?  I LOVE IT  "