Author Topic: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2 (Read 52179 times)

Himu · « **Reply #420 on:** January 28, 2012, 05:49:39 AM »

Quote from: Count Drugula The Satanic on January 27, 2012, 08:36:58 PM

I'm buying this and prepared to hate myself afterwards.

At least it won't be as bad as FFVI

i am going to fucking KILL you

Bebpo · « **Reply #421 on:** January 28, 2012, 10:28:24 PM »

So I just read the FF Wiki on FFXIII (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIII) and I think I'm refreshed on the plot/world/characters of the game. Reading about the story and worldview stuff makes me kind of want to replay FFXIII because it doesn't sound so bad in hindsight. Those of you who were replaying XIII before XIII-2...did you find the game better this time around?

Positive Touch · « **Reply #422 on:** January 28, 2012, 10:42:30 PM »

i'm replaying it now, and while it's less bad, it's only because i already know the game stays awful the whole way through so there's no continual disappointment to factor in. it's still every bit as boring and tedious as you remember though. it seriously feels like they just took the basic outline for an ff and figured they'd flesh out the details later, but they NEVER DID. why the FUCK is does the sewer level have more cut-and-paste rooms than halo 1? why do i not even need to bother changing paradigms regularly until about five hours in? why does so much of the plot revolve around people wanting to say something to each other but putting it off over and over again? why why whyyyyy

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #423 on:** January 29, 2012, 02:26:57 AM »

Quote from: Positive Touch on January 28, 2012, 10:42:30 PM

why does so much of the plot revolve around people wanting to say something to each other but putting it off over and over again?

So true lol.

Vizzys · « **Reply #424 on:** January 29, 2012, 04:05:09 AM »

because anime

naff · « **Reply #425 on:** January 29, 2012, 06:25:56 AM »

Demo was ok. I'll pick it up once it's bargain bin fodder

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #426 on:** January 30, 2012, 11:15:35 AM »

Quote from: quietID on January 29, 2012, 06:25:56 AM

Demo was ok. I'll pick it up once it's bargain bin fodder

T MINUS TWO WEEKS

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #427 on:** January 30, 2012, 02:38:55 PM »

Amazon shipped my copy today, probably start playing it tomorrow night.

MCD · « **Reply #428 on:** January 31, 2012, 09:46:46 AM »

http://andriasang.com/comzte/ffxiii2_lightning_amoda/

Look at this beastly motherfucker

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #429 on:** January 31, 2012, 12:16:22 PM »

I want to have sex with him.

demi · « **Reply #430 on:** January 31, 2012, 12:46:22 PM »

Longest day everrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

demi · « **Reply #431 on:** January 31, 2012, 02:18:59 PM »

Amazon is giving $30 credit with X360 version.

Just picked up a copy, gonna take it back to Toys R Us when it arrives, cause I'm using a gift card to buy it there anyway.

demi · « **Reply #432 on:** January 31, 2012, 02:28:30 PM »

Yes, I bought 2 copies of FF13-2. Bring on 13-3

demi · « **Reply #433 on:** January 31, 2012, 06:26:16 PM »

she used Army of One on Caius... yeeeeeee

G The Resurrected · « **Reply #434 on:** January 31, 2012, 06:34:30 PM »

I bought 2 copies of the CE today just to get some DLC for the misses. Thankfully I can take back the other, but sadly I must now be annoyed for god know's how long with this game running next to me for the next few months.

What a horrendous soundtrack thus far.

Bebpo · « **Reply #435 on:** January 31, 2012, 06:34:43 PM »

Is that big dude supposed to be a modern take on Barret?

demi · « **Reply #436 on:** January 31, 2012, 06:58:20 PM »

Quote from: G The Resurrected on January 31, 2012, 06:34:30 PM

I bought 2 copies of the CE today just to get some DLC for the misses. Thankfully I can take back the other, but sadly I must now be annoyed for god know's how long with this game running next to me for the next few months.

What a horrendous soundtrack thus far.

Yer crazy, the songs I heard were great. And it isn't as grindy as 13 was, should be done with it by end of the month myself.

demi · « **Reply #437 on:** January 31, 2012, 06:58:47 PM »

Quote from: Bebpo on January 31, 2012, 06:34:43 PM

Is that big dude supposed to be a modern take on Barret?

He was Lightning's superior in 13... starred in maybe one or two flashbacks I think.

demi · « **Reply #438 on:** January 31, 2012, 07:33:38 PM »

I dont understand the new Crystarium... do they all share the same path?

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #439 on:** January 31, 2012, 07:45:18 PM »

UPS sucks. Where's mah copy of the game?

demi · « **Reply #440 on:** January 31, 2012, 07:47:07 PM »

New Crystarium is ballsack. You have to choose what role is upgraded. And if it has an ability and you use it, the ability it was for is moved. So you can be like Level 20 Ravager and still level 3 Sentinel, and you are punished because suddenly that level 3 Sentinel requires 50000 CP to use.

Bebpo · « **Reply #441 on:** January 31, 2012, 07:58:18 PM »

I thought it scales.

Like Role A can be 1000CP for next item, but Role B is 100CP for next item because it's lower level.

demi · « **Reply #442 on:** January 31, 2012, 07:59:06 PM »

Naw man, I beefed up Ravager to about 6, but from what I could see Level 2 Sentinel required the same price as Level 7 Ravager - the price rises every time you hit one of the special orbs (bigger orbs)

Bebpo · « **Reply #443 on:** January 31, 2012, 08:05:27 PM »

oh, I don't think I hit a special orb.

demi · « **Reply #444 on:** January 31, 2012, 08:06:37 PM »

Really? It's one of the first orbs you hit. It says "Commando/Sentinel/Ravager Bonus"

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #445 on:** January 31, 2012, 09:23:38 PM »

What the fuck, UPS. Release day delivery with Amazon. Why u no give me my game?

Bebpo · « **Reply #446 on:** January 31, 2012, 09:28:46 PM »

Quote from: demi on January 31, 2012, 08:06:37 PM

Really? It's one of the first orbs you hit. It says "Commando/Sentinel/Ravager Bonus"

Hmm, didn't pay attention enough. Only in ep2. Didn't play since Sunday.

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #447 on:** January 31, 2012, 09:56:14 PM »

Quote from: G The Resurrected on January 31, 2012, 06:34:30 PM

I bought 2 copies of the CE today just to get some DLC for the misses. Thankfully I can take back the other, but sadly I must now be annoyed for god know's how long with this game running next to me for the next few months.

What a horrendous soundtrack thus far.

You're insane, this soundtrack is godly.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #448 on:** February 01, 2012, 01:06:54 AM »

I had no idea Origa does vocals in FFXIII-2. Very cool.

edit: Where the hell are save points? I need to get to bed.

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #449 on:** February 01, 2012, 01:17:58 AM »

Quote from: Mr. Gundam on February 01, 2012, 01:06:54 AM

I had no idea Origa does vocals in FFXIII-2. Very cool.

edit: Where the hell are save points? I need to get to bed.

You can save

anywhere

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #450 on:** February 01, 2012, 01:22:31 AM »

Oh thank fuck. I'm tired.

Bebpo · « **Reply #451 on:** February 01, 2012, 05:28:24 PM »

Strange game. Feels so unorthodox and more like a tri-ace game with a million systems than an FF.

Himu · « **Reply #452 on:** February 01, 2012, 09:05:59 PM »

Tri-ace apparently worked on the game.

Bebpo · « **Reply #453 on:** February 01, 2012, 09:41:22 PM »

Ok, finished Ep2 and moved to the next areas.

I'm really liking this! It feels a lot like FFX-2 where it's a meaty gameplay game with TONS of stuff to do in a sometimes non-linear order, like an oddball rpg with the budget of an FF in visual presentation. Lots of sidestuff, lots of hidden goodies, plot is light hearted like X-2 and broken down into 2 hour episodic adventures which makes it like a fun sci-fi show. Combat is pretty good, like the new encounter system, music is definitely different.

Also it helps that the cast is not annoying so far! Noel is like the most level headed cool, but not-annoying-snow-cool, positive and semi-intelligent teenage male lead that we've had since Tidus. Serah is just the cute dumb chick to go "??" with her head titled sideways all the time, but she's less of an airhead than say Vanille's act in XIII, and fairly tolerable. I don't necessarily find her character interesting, but she doesn't bother me and I just pretend the story is about cool guy time traveler Noel going on episodic adventures in the past to rewrite the history into a GOOD END in the far future.

Only really stickler so far is the framerate, which is a shame (2 year dev cycle being the new SE standard :| ) and combat could be a little tougher.

Looks like I might not bail on SE after all.

Bebpo · « **Reply #454 on:** February 02, 2012, 03:36:57 AM »

What I like about this game, is that it already has 1000x the strategy and depth of FF Type 0. So coming from that it's like AWESOME STRATEGY BATTLES WITH DEPTH AND DECENT CHALLENGE OMGGGG. I'm almost not really seeing where people are saying this game is easy until the final dungeon. I'm only about 5-6 hours in, so maybe once I get some good monsters it'll turn cake, but the difficulty level has been quite good so far. Normal fights are easy, but the goal isn't to win, it's to win quickly and efficiently to get 5 stars and up your drop rate. And that takes some real strategy in picking your monsters and paradigms. Bosses have been a good challenge too. They hit really hard and are decently fast (this might get easier when you have higher HPs later on), so you gotta be pretty smart and sometimes use a lot of items. Feels just right for an rpg and tougher than a lot of other rpgs this gen where you steam roll everything.

Right now because the Crystarium is a PoS like demi said, I'm just doing ATTACKER MAXING with Noel and Serah is getting a BLASTER/HEALER split and for everything else (additional healing/buffing/debuffing) I just figure I'll use monsters. It's working pretty well though I wish I would get some decent BLASTER monsters. I'm still using the first guy I got in the game if I need 3 x BLASTER. But normally I'm starting with a buffer monster to buff Noel/Serah then switching in an attacker to do ATTACK x 2 + BLASTER to destroy everything and switch in healers when necessary for a few moments.

Like this game a lot. People bashing it because it's light and wacky like FFX-2 are stupid. Nothing wrong with some non-serious, fun and meaty gameplay rpgs with heavy duty production values. FFX-2 was one of the best FFs and this is starting off pretty great as well.

magus · « **Reply #455 on:** February 02, 2012, 09:51:52 AM »

know that as soon as i get my hand on this,you guys will all suffer my wrath

BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

demi · « **Reply #456 on:** February 02, 2012, 10:05:05 AM »

Nobody's going to be surprised you have issues with it, magus.

demi · « **Reply #457 on:** February 02, 2012, 10:19:48 AM »

I got my ass beat too, I'm not sure if I'm underleveled (yes, underleveled) or I'm upgrading wrong, but I couldn't get past the boss at Yaschas (the paradox thing) or Sunleth (the giant flan).

tiesto · « **Reply #458 on:** February 02, 2012, 10:32:06 AM »

Gonna finally start this game today, and gonna play all weekend long, only stopping to see the G-Men hopefully win. Can't wait!

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #459 on:** February 02, 2012, 04:22:17 PM »

Quote from: demi on February 02, 2012, 10:05:05 AM

Nobody's going to be surprised you have issues with it, magus.

and/or nobody would care

Bebpo · « **Reply #460 on:** February 02, 2012, 04:57:15 PM »

I care about magus's opinions.

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Bebpo · « **Reply #461 on:** February 02, 2012, 04:58:54 PM »

Quote from: demi on February 02, 2012, 10:19:48 AM

I got my ass beat too, I'm not sure if I'm underleveled (yes, underleveled) or I'm upgrading wrong, but I couldn't get past the boss at Yaschas (the paradox thing) or Sunleth (the giant flan).

I have this idea that they upped the difficulty for the US/Euro release and patched the JP version to match it with the worldwide patch released at the same time. No idea if this happened, but it seems really weird that everyone who played the import said the game was jokingly easy, yet it doesn't seem that way at all so far.

I'm probably underleveled too. Not grinding, not fighting every random encounter, and using chocobos whenever available to dodge all encounters.

Bebpo · « **Reply #462 on:** February 04, 2012, 01:11:21 PM »

I like it, except for Oerba which is still the most boring location to run around even after 200 years.

Bebpo · « **Reply #463 on:** February 04, 2012, 08:37:08 PM »

It's probably because I don't read tutorials anymore in games, but even 8 hours in I still have no idea what I think about this game because I don't even really get how to play it. It reminds me of most Tri-ace games where I have no idea what I'm doing until 30 hours in when I learn how to play. I'm ok with Tri-ace games being obtuse but don't really want that creeping into my FF.

Like I just never can tell if I'm kicking ass and doing good at battles or I'm doing it all wrong. I don't know which enemies I should be breaking and which I should just be attacking real fast. I don't know if my monsters I'm using are good or if they're worthless. I just can't tell much. The game isn't giving me good feedback on if I'm playing it right because of the kind of "auto-playing" that is in the battle system.

But I do like some of the fights where I die and have to think up a new strategy and then 5 star win it. It seems the system is good, I just need to sit down and learn how to play correctly. Same with the Crystarium. Apparently I've been doing it all wrong and that might be a little bad in hindsight. Wish the game was more clear in explaining stuff.

And like the side quests, after the 2nd area I haven't done any of them because I have no idea how to do them if they want an item or something. I'm exploring all the maps out that I can so dunno. It's just hard to figure out whether you're missing something or you just haven't gotten there yet.

I also don't get some of the time traveling stuff from a story-perspective, like the parallel branchings etc...

Seems neat, just kind of a confusing game.

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Snow is still a Bro though

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ZephyrFate · « **Reply #464 on:** February 04, 2012, 08:55:22 PM »

you should probably sift through the Datalog, honestly. Nothing about the battle system or the monsters should be confusing.

demi · « **Reply #465 on:** February 04, 2012, 09:02:22 PM »

The Crystarium is just bad, I hate it. It was 100% fine before.

The monsters are "ok" but like Bebpo said, they're all very samey, and I don't understand the various snippets under their profile (Frostproof, etc.) and the star rating for them. As far as I care, they could practically be th same monster, aside from their stats.

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #466 on:** February 04, 2012, 09:48:22 PM »

Except they're not. Each monster has different resists, stats, and abilities. Frostproof should be a no-brainer if you've ever played FFX or just know what something + proof means. In this case, it means that monster is strong against Ice spells.

Early Peaker is any monster that maxes out early, like at level 20 or something. Well-Groomed monsters max out at mid level, and Late Bloomers max out at 99.

The star rating is the level of material it takes to give them levels on their Crystarium. Also, different monsters have different Feral Links that help both doing damage AND for acquiring other monsters.

Don't see what's wrong with the Crystarium. They didn't really change anything at all.

Bebpo · « **Reply #467 on:** February 04, 2012, 10:25:58 PM »

Wait, how do you acquire monsters anyhow? I just assumed it was like a random drop. I only seem to get the shitty ones. Don't have ANY SEN so far, my only MED is the first monster you get in the story, and my whateverthefuckyoucallthem buffers/debuffers are awful and have like 1 spell. I'm using a COM blob, the starting cat in a floating horn MED, and the started RAV you first got as my monsters still 8 hours in.

Btw, I need to rant on how fucking stupid the localization for XIII and XIII-2 is. As someone playing the JP version, whenever I try to talk to someone playing the US version it's always confusing because of the job role renames and monster renames and SYNCHRO BAR being FERAL POINT or something. Almost nothing is a direct translation. I mean WTF, what ever happened to translating Japanese words and not MAKING UP ENTIRELY NEW ONES INSTEAD. The Japanese job roles make sense because you can identify what they do from the name: ATTACKER, HEALER, DEFENDER, ENHANCER, JAMMER, the only weird one is BLASTER. But the US ones are totally stupid. Blah.

Bebpo · « **Reply #468 on:** February 04, 2012, 10:29:35 PM »

The Crystarium sucks because if you keep boosting 1 job role and CP requirements get high, now it's going to cost you 1000CP per level to get from lvl.1-10 in another job. That's what demi first complained about and he's 100% right on that. The CP cost shouldn't be the same across the board for jobs, it should be like DO YOU WANT TO SPEND 5000CP ON NEXT COM SKILL or 100CP on next SEN skill. Thus making it so you don't feel bad about picking up little side stuff along the way. As it is, I'm like "do I really want to waste 5000CP on some shitty job I don't even want to main as, instead of putting that toward my main job?".

And monster level sucks, at least for me. I can't get any of my monsters over lvl.15 so far because I'm just not getting enough of the rank 2 items at this point in the game. So the monsters seem to suck compared to Noel/Serah for me.

Bebpo · « **Reply #469 on:** February 04, 2012, 10:32:19 PM »

Quote from: ZephyrFate on February 04, 2012, 08:55:22 PM

you should probably sift through the Datalog, honestly. Nothing about the battle system or the monsters should be confusing.

The battle system isn't confusing, the feedback is job non-existent during battle. I can't tell if what I'm doing is working or not working since the enemies die regardless. I can only tell afterwards when the star rating comes up. Since Libra is now rare, I don't know what strategies I'm supposed to be using for each type of enemy. Should I have Noel use magic on them? Or should I go with 3 attackers? Who knows, I don't know their strengths or weaknesses and I'm still winning the battles so oh well. But that also makes it less fun because for normal battles I'm just doing the same thing every battle regardless of the enemy type I'm facing. I dunno why they took out the Libra skill.

Bebpo · « **Reply #470 on:** February 04, 2012, 10:33:04 PM »

Anyhow I'm not complaining. I think the game is good, it's just a little odd so far.

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #471 on:** February 04, 2012, 10:36:44 PM »

Quote from: Bebpo on February 04, 2012, 10:25:58 PM

Wait, how do you acquire monsters anyhow? I just assumed it was like a random drop. I only seem to get the shitty ones. Don't have ANY SEN so far, my only MED is the first monster you get in the story, and my whateverthefuckyoucallthem buffers/debuffers are awful and have like 1 spell. I'm using a COM blob, the starting cat in a floating horn MED, and the started RAV you first got as my monsters still 8 hours in.

Btw, I need to rant on how fucking stupid the localization for XIII and XIII-2 is. As someone playing the JP version, whenever I try to talk to someone playing the US version it's always confusing because of the job role renames and monster renames and SYNCHRO BAR being FERAL POINT or something. Almost nothing is a direct translation. I mean WTF, what ever happened to translating Japanese words and not MAKING UP ENTIRELY NEW ONES INSTEAD. The Japanese job roles make sense because you can identify what they do from the name: ATTACKER, HEALER, DEFENDER, ENHANCER, JAMMER, the only weird one is BLASTER. But the US ones are totally stupid. Blah.

Killing enemies with a Feral Link (i.e., if you get a 250% link and kill that enemy) adds the Link % to your chance of getting the crystal (so like 250% of a 10% drop rate would be a 25% chance, now).

The Crystarium level up is following the same rule as the first game, it's not really the game's fault that you sat there and boosted one job all the way to the max. You just got a bunch of skills way earlier than you need them, why should the game cater to that? It also keeps you from just getting everything superbly early.

The Libra skill is gone, but you can still find and buy Librascopes, and you can find an accessory in the Archylte Steppe that gives you free Libra for every battle.

You need to fight in better places for higher-level material. Generally, your monsters are going to outclass your characters almost all of the time, which is why they limit how much you can level them at a certain time in the story.

I MUCH prefer Medic, Commando, Ravager, Synergist, Saboteur and Sentinel to the Japanese names. By fucking far.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #472 on:** February 04, 2012, 10:45:39 PM »

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The Crystarium level up is following the same rule as the first game, it's not really the game's fault that you sat there and boosted one job all the way to the max. You just got a bunch of skills way earlier than you need them, why should the game cater to that? It also keeps you from just getting everything superbly early.

no, in ff13 every ability had a pre-set number of points to unlock it, so you could level characters up any way you saw fit.

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #473 on:** February 04, 2012, 10:46:17 PM »

And yet every character turns out the same way, which is exactly why XIII-2 is freeform with it.

Bebpo · « **Reply #474 on:** February 04, 2012, 11:59:29 PM »

Ok, spent 30 mins figure out how everything works, grinding and monster hunting a bit and now everything is perfect. Awesome game.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #475 on:** February 05, 2012, 12:05:26 AM »

I just started this game. I really hope I'll find enough pros to wash out the bad taste the new crystarium left when I tried the demo.

Himu · « **Reply #476 on:** February 05, 2012, 12:10:49 AM »

What's wrong with the crystarium? it's the same thing except you now have more free reign.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #477 on:** February 05, 2012, 12:16:44 AM »

I've had the same issue Demi and Bebpo are having when I was playing the demo. I'll see how that first impression develops in the full game.

demi · « **Reply #478 on:** February 05, 2012, 12:47:39 AM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on February 05, 2012, 12:10:49 AM

What's wrong with the crystarium? it's the same thing except you now have more free reign.

Doesnt feel more "free reign" - what is the difference between what 13 did and this? I can still pump points into Commander just as much as I can Ravager in 13, and it drains my points.

As it is, I have a hard time pulling the trigger on a Medic node because points cost up to 300 now (which is a lot considering I'm still only getting like 60 points a battle)

The way the monsters upgrades are set up is much better. I gotta fight stronger to get stronger items. Sure, whatever, fair enough.

Bebpo · « **Reply #479 on:** February 05, 2012, 12:56:43 AM »

Fought a bunch of Behemoths for practice and recruited one. Unfortunately for him my MR. BLOB is still my best COM/ATK guy. BLOB BLOB BLOB

I like the monster system, but instead of the "pass on 1 ability" thing I would rather have had SMT style fusions.

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Author Topic: 1/31: Seriously the best time ever to buy FFXIII-2 (Read 52179 times)