Official *Consoles Are For Losers* thread

[Trent Dole]

Man, it sure is an awesome time to be a pc gamer.

won't a lot of the same problems that console games have also affect pc games as well considering most pc games these days are ports of console games? I'm asking because in preparation for next gen, I need to hear/read any/all arguments in favor of pc gaming.

It'd be great if pc had access to all the types of games I love, but it doesn't. Out of all the games I have interest in this year so far (FF13-2, ME3, SSX, WO3) only one has a pc release.

PSO2 is PC only. At least initally. Biggest thing I'm interested in for this year by far. Borderlands 2 should be cool shit as well but that's not until September at the earliest.

[Himu]

PSO2 is coming to vita but yes it'll be pc exclusive initially.

[Human Snorenado]

If you're not "interested" in Diablo 3 then there's no hope for you and I don't take anything you say seriously.  I mean, that was already the case because of the Shenmue bullshit, but this is like the cherry of dumbness on top of the cake of bad taste or something.

[Himu]

If you're not "interested" in Diablo 3 then there's no hope for you and I don't take anything you say seriously.  I mean, that was already the case because of the Shenmue bullshit, but this is like the cherry of dumbness on top of the cake of bad taste or something.

Man, it sure is an awesome time to be a pc gamer.

won't a lot of the same problems that console games have also affect pc games as well considering most pc games these days are ports of console games? I'm asking because in preparation for next gen, I need to hear/read any/all arguments in favor of pc gaming.

It'd be great if pc had access to all the types of games I love, but it doesn't. Out of all the games I have interest in this year so far (FF13-2, ME3, SSX, WO3) only one has a pc release. Later this year? Virtua Fighter 5: FS is only on psn/xbla. Jet Set Radio hd is on steam, thankfully, and of course DIABLO 3 which is pc exclusive. If devs ported more games to pc, I'd be all aboard the pc hype train.

Wow, Triumph, I didn't realize you couldn't read.

[EmCeeGrammar]

The idea that utilizing the wii u tablet would be cost prohibitive seems like a bullshit argument.  No one says they have to use it in some awesome cool creative way that has never been seen before.  Assuming its just a port in question, just move some hud elements down there and call it a day.  Like, it be nice if in CoD I could have the heartbeart sensor down there instead of taking up real estate on my main screen.  Same with uav and maybe touch icons for killstreaks.

[Trent Dole]

PSO2 is coming to vita but yes it'll be pc exclusive initially.

Yep yep, but I wanna play that shit ASAP and need a new computer anyway soo...

If you're not "interested" in Diablo 3 then there's no hope for you and I don't take anything you say seriously.

Ah yes, that's what next month? Forgot about that one.

[Human Snorenado]

The eyes are the first thing to go with old age.   

[Joe Molotov]

Fun part will come when some game turns out to be sub-hd.

but but it renders two screens

If you add both screens together, then it's HD.

[Himu]

The eyes are the first thing to go with old age.   

it's okay. could you answer my original question though? I'd deffo jump on pc bandwagon next gen but as it is it's down to pc + whatever is the best console next gen. though i'd prefer just sticking with computer and handheld.

[Eel O'Brian]

and now i have seen some people arguing for higher game prices next gen

[Cormacaroni]

i dunno, dcharlie has taken a shining to sp.ed consoles of late, he might end up riding the weeoo's jock

As a long-time DCharlie observer, it appears to be a cyclical thing. Oooh i love this one retro game on iOS or 3DS -> buys all the 8 bit games and arcade boards -> oh fuck i never play this shit and where did all my fucking moneys go -> sells all old games and arcade boards -> Ooh I love etc

[maxy]

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/342718/wii-u-games-look-just-as-good-as-ps3-but-its-still-not-as-capable/

Sources said graphical quality "won't be a problem" on Nintendo's new console, but a drop in CPU horsepower compared to 360 and PS3 could see Wii U lag behind in areas such as complicated physics and AI.
"Assumptions that Wii U games will look like 'up rezzed' current-gen titles with better textures aren't quite right. They'll look just as good, but not better," one developer told CVG. "You shouldn't expect anything special from a graphics point of view," they added.

A second source working on a big name franchise said GPU and RAM power "won't be a problem" on the new console but, again, claimed Wii U struggles to match PS3 and 360 in processing power.

"We're still working on dev machines but there have definitely been some issues [in porting PS3/360 games]," our source said. "It's not actually a problem getting things up and running because the architecture is pretty conventional, but there are constraints with stuff like physics and AI processing because the hardware isn't quite as capable."

The same source concluded, bluntly: "I suppose you don't need sophisticated physics to make a Mario game."

paging DC

[Cerveza mas fina]

the gpu in the WEEEEEOOOOO is more powerful than the xenos or the rsx. on paper, it appears significantly moreso. reality, though, given the complexity of next generation graphics features -- IT MIGHT AS WELL BE THE EXACT SAME 2006/2007 GENERATION. it could be 5X the on-paper performance and still eke out no more than a couple extra fps given the same assets and rendering pipeline in real world results -- and can even look worse in early dev situations. until gaftards understand the complexity of current rendering and effects models and why the require GEOMETRICALLY more horsepower (i.e. vastly greater shader resources) to see significant visual improvements at higher pixel counts and frame rates, they're yakking about shit that is wholly, entirely academic and therefore 100% useless in the real world of game and graphics development.

Smackdown.

[Human Snorenado]

Nintendo fans are like Nigel Tufnel now.  "But this one goes to 11."

[Joe Molotov]

The same source concluded, bluntly: "I suppose you don't need sophisticated physics to make a Mario game."

Only Sonic games.

[maxy]

http://ie.ign.com/articles/2012/04/04/sources-detail-the-playstation-4s-processing-specs

The PlayStation 4, reportedly codenamed Orbis, may utilize AMD's A8-3850 APU and Radeon HD 7670 GPU, sources have told IGN, offering the combined performance of both integrated and discrete graphics processors.

According to the official product specs, the A8-3850 packs a quad-core 2.9GHz processor with an integrated graphics chip. The APU will work in tandem with the system's dedicated GPU, the HD 7670, a DirectX 11-enabled card clocked to 1GHz with up to 1GB of dedicated VRAM.

paging prole

A8-3850 APU = four x86 CPU cores with an AMD Radeon HD 6550D

If this is true then Sony has chosen budget route this time and they will very likely launch before next xbox.

Budget GPUs everywhere

[Joe Molotov]

Radeon 7670 is like a "my grandma going to Best Buy to get one of them there computers, geek squad said this one was real fast" GPU.

[Mupepe]

Radeon 7670 is like a "my grandma going to Best Buy to get one of them there computers, geek squad said this one was real fast" GPU.

I did this with my first graphics card upgrade.  I got an NVIDIA GeForce FX2.  But that badboy lasted a long time.  I played Half life 2 on that bitch.

[D3RANG3D]

http://ie.ign.com/articles/2012/04/04/sources-detail-the-playstation-4s-processing-specs

The PlayStation 4, reportedly codenamed Orbis, may utilize AMD's A8-3850 APU and Radeon HD 7670 GPU, sources have told IGN, offering the combined performance of both integrated and discrete graphics processors.

According to the official product specs, the A8-3850 packs a quad-core 2.9GHz processor with an integrated graphics chip. The APU will work in tandem with the system's dedicated GPU, the HD 7670, a DirectX 11-enabled card clocked to 1GHz with up to 1GB of dedicated VRAM.

paging prole

A8-3850 APU = four x86 CPU cores with an AMD Radeon HD 6550D

If this is true then Sony has chosen budget route this time and they will very likely launch before next xbox.

Budget GPUs everywhere

Sony eMachine indeed

[Eel O'Brian]

the 7670 is a rebranded 6670 for those searching for benchmarks

fuck, that isn't even close to my gtx 460, and i built my pc in 2010

(although working in tandem with the onboard gfx it might top it)

[Flannel Boy]

Drinky failed to mention the WaWaWeeWa-U's(TM) whimsy-enigne.

[Brehvolution]

I recently bought a 6850 and coupled with my 6 year old AMD 3800+ X2 @ 2GHZ and 2GB DDR runs everything @ 1080p just fine. I'll admit there are some slowdowns in JC2 and hectic parts of Skyrim, but I think it's the ancient CPU and RAM being the bottleneck.

The Orbis specs are pretty high end if they can keep it at $299. Sony doesn't want to lose money on hardware this time around.

[pilonv1]

6850 is pretty far ahead of a 6670 though.

Who not just put in an X1900 or something.

[Damian79]

I have a feeling it was an April fools joke on the author of that article.

Valve, the guys who brought you Half-Life, Left 4 Dead and Portal said that “Wii U seems to be a lot more powerful than the previous generations”.
 Crytek, the studio who made Crysis – often touted as the most graphically and technically powerful first person shooter game ever made – said “Wii U development kits are very powerful, the specs are very good.”
 THQ, the publisher bringing Darksiders II to Wii U said that it’s “just a lot more powerful than current HD consoles. It does 1080p very easy.”. Darksiders II developers Vigil Games seem to agree – they were one of the first developers using Wii U development kits – they even said that the Wii U version of the game will likely be the best version of the game “just because the hardware is more powerful and it will have some extra features that I think will actually be useful to people playing the game. With it’s controller, it might be the best version of the game.”
 EA Games, Ubisoft… the list goes on. But even further, there are various anonymous sources saying the Wii U is twice as powerful, or in some cases 4x more powerful than PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.

http://aussie-gamer.com/rumor-2/debunking-the-under-powered-nintendo-wii-u-rumour-is-surprisingly-easy/

[EmCeeGrammar]

Man this has been a distinguished mentally-challenged week for ninthings giving and receiving. 

[Cormacaroni]

it could be 50x as powerful and i still wouldn't buy one

[Cerveza mas fina]

Man this has been a distinguished mentally-challenged week for ninthings giving and receiving.

Think its mostly receiving on the ninthings end.

[maxy]

NOA response

“We do not focus on technology specs. We understand that people like to dissect graphics and processing power, but the experience of playing will always be more important than raw numbers.”

Not sure what's all this fuss about.Nintendo is clearly doing their own thing again,this time with HD capable console.Third party perception of Nintendo won't change overnight,besides I don't think that power is the most important thing that keeps third party devs away from Nintendo consoles.

it could be 50x as powerful and i still wouldn't buy one

[Cerveza mas fina]

3rd parties havent been big on Nintendo since the SNES. I thought this was accepted knowledge, but these fucking young ninthings don't know shit.

[BlueTsunami]

"The same source concluded, bluntly: "I suppose you don't need sophisticated physics to make a Mario game."

[Oblivion]

A friend of mine said that Nintendo's planning on removing gamecube compatibility from future Wiis. What the fuck? Is this true?

http://ie.ign.com/articles/2012/04/04/sources-detail-the-playstation-4s-processing-specs

The PlayStation 4, reportedly codenamed Orbis, may utilize AMD's A8-3850 APU and Radeon HD 7670 GPU, sources have told IGN, offering the combined performance of both integrated and discrete graphics processors.

According to the official product specs, the A8-3850 packs a quad-core 2.9GHz processor with an integrated graphics chip. The APU will work in tandem with the system's dedicated GPU, the HD 7670, a DirectX 11-enabled card clocked to 1GHz with up to 1GB of dedicated VRAM.

paging prole

A8-3850 APU = four x86 CPU cores with an AMD Radeon HD 6550D

If this is true then Sony has chosen budget route this time and they will very likely launch before next xbox.

Budget GPUs everywhere

First time I'm hearing of this APU contraption. Is it a new thing?

[Damian79]

An analyst in Japan with Macquarie Capital Securities does not see a bright future.

 Wii U will launch later this year (one rumored date points to November 18) and Nintendo is hoping to make a big splash with the system this year at E3 in June. Many questions about the console's capabilities still linger, however, and one analyst in Japan is not too optimistic about Wii U's long-term prospects.
 
David Gibson at Macquarie Capital Securities (Japan) Limited has downgraded Nintendo stock to "underperform" and remarked that there are "increasingly problematic structural problems for the company."
 
Gibson assigned a target price of ¥10,000 and noted that "if Nintendo went iOS/Android with games we think the stock could be worth ¥20,000+, but in our view that's not going to happen."
 
Ultimately, Gibson said the "competitive position of the WiiU has deteriorated" and he advises avoiding Nintendo stock until E3.
 
Gibson outlined three potentially big problems for Nintendo:
1.Wii U GPU is less powerful than Xbox360/PS3 according to developers, which means it has no edge besides the tablet interface to attract core users. Initial third-party titles are likely to be only ports from Xbox360/PS3 titles. A bundled WiiSports/Mario title may help initial sales beat Wii launch, but Wii was severely production-constrained and the surprise factor from Wii U is less.
2.iPad with its retina display shows where Apple is taking its 4 screen infrastructure, leaving Wii U less connected and less relevant. The GPU processing power for handsets is reaching consoles such that we think core gamers have no interest in buying into the Wii U. Apple might add in a controller to its line-up to be more attractive to core users. MocoSpace survey shows that 96% of gamers like to play their games at home, and with a better infrastructure we think iOS will be able to deliver a single game experience across four screens that Nintendo cannot.
3.Wii U will have 1-year window to gain installed base before PS4 (Orbis) and then Xbox Durango launch in late 2013. At that point, the core gamer that Nintendo is after for the first time will have no interest in Wii U. We understand that Activision has no plans to support Wii U, which means the biggest selling title of Call of Duty will be missing; Konami is also planning minimal support.

 On that last point, we reached out to Activision, and the official answer is that the publisher hasn't made any announcements about Wii U support. Activision Publishing CEO Eric Hirshberg has said multiple times that Wii U would more closely align with the types of games Activision makes, but we'll see how that translates into support from the company.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-04-05-wii-u-competitive-position-has-deteriorated


I guess they are sticking to it.  Maybe there is truth to it.

[Human Snorenado]

trolololololololol budget gpu

2011 Ninthings:  Weeeeeeeoooooo will have awesomely powerful graphics!  Huzzah!
2012 Ninthings:  Believe!
2013 Ninthings:  We hate graphics anyway, it's all about WHIMSY!

[Cormacaroni]

2014 Ninthings: to clarify we meant WHIMSY from NINTENDO
2022 Ninthings: WHOO can't wait to play Wii-U2 will have awesome graphics

[Oblivion]

there are already Wiis being sold in parts of the world without gamecube support, mostly because they wanted to strip off the controller ports and memory card slots

But how the heck does that exactly work, just from a technical perspective? I thought the whole reason the Wii was backwards compatible with GC games was...cause it was an overclocked Gamecube? I mean, the chipsets are for all intents and purposes, are identical, aren't they?

[Oblivion]

Btw, you guys think that the 360/PS3 could do the Zelda demo and that bird demo with the same graphical fidelity?

[bachikarn]

there are already Wiis being sold in parts of the world without gamecube support, mostly because they wanted to strip off the controller ports and memory card slots

But how the heck does that exactly work, just from a technical perspective? I thought the whole reason the Wii was backwards compatible with GC games was...cause it was an overclocked Gamecube? I mean, the chipsets are for all intents and purposes, are identical, aren't they?

I think it just means the DVD drive can't read gamecube mini-discs and there are no gamecube controller ports. It could probably still play GC games through software emulation.

edit: I guess I mean it could play GC games through digital downloads. It wouldn't need an emulator to play it.

[maxy]

A friend of mine said that Nintendo's planning on removing gamecube compatibility from future Wiis. What the fuck? Is this true?

http://ie.ign.com/articles/2012/04/04/sources-detail-the-playstation-4s-processing-specs

The PlayStation 4, reportedly codenamed Orbis, may utilize AMD's A8-3850 APU and Radeon HD 7670 GPU, sources have told IGN, offering the combined performance of both integrated and discrete graphics processors.

According to the official product specs, the A8-3850 packs a quad-core 2.9GHz processor with an integrated graphics chip. The APU will work in tandem with the system's dedicated GPU, the HD 7670, a DirectX 11-enabled card clocked to 1GHz with up to 1GB of dedicated VRAM.

paging prole

A8-3850 APU = four x86 CPU cores with an AMD Radeon HD 6550D

If this is true then Sony has chosen budget route this time and they will very likely launch before next xbox.

Budget GPUs everywhere

First time I'm hearing of this APU contraption. Is it a new thing?

No. Basically a cpu + gpu on the same die.Positives are shorter communication paths,one chip to deal with.Negative thing is that you have to compromise cpu,gpu budgets.

But future might bring much tighter cpu,gpu integration(sharing transistors,caches,etc)...things will be much more interesting then
Rumors say that PS4 chip has been in the works for quite a while,to be finished by late 2012.

360 is kinda like that now.MS even had to develop some extra chip to maintain compatibility between new and older units.

[maxy]

pastebin rumor correcting previous pastebin rumor

http://pastebin.com/0cGdu4gP

To start as I'm sure you're aware the codename is "Durango". MS really want to have a beast of a machine for next gen.
 
The CPU:
 
As a previous Pastebin rumor mentioned:
"The X-Box 3 is going to have an 8-core 64-bit processor (assumedly an i7 or similar design)".
 
Well let me tell you that that is a load of crap. Intel would NEVER be involved in this process. Although think around 6 cores and you're in the right area. The 64 bit thing was kind of pointless to mention, since its guaranteed the chip would be 64 bit. I have no idea about the clock speed, yet as most people could tell you, these days its not that big of a factor. Like I said Intel aren't producing this, which really only leaves two candidates. I'll give you a hint... its not AMD.
 
 
The GPU:
 
You may have heard of the two GPU rumor already. Think its a load of crap? Think again. That's the road that MS is going down. But I should say, its not your conventional dual GPU set up that you may find in some PC's. MS and AMD have been working on something for quite a while, and if everything works out, expect this thing to blow you away when you first see it. Similar to Xenos from the beginning of this gen, its a pretty innovative chip.
 
The info on the CPU And GPU should tell you whether or not the Durango will have BC or not.
 
 
RAM:
 
Short and sweet:
MS were going for 2GB.
Devs complained.
MS listened.
MS bumped up RAM to 4GB.
Most devs were very happy, however 1 or 2 tried complaining again.
MS told them to piss off.
 
 
Controller options:
 
I think most people will be very happy to learn that the Xbox 360 controller will still be the standard controller for the Durango. I don't know if they will make any changes to it, like fixing the D-Pad, but hopefully they will.
And yes Kinect will be packaged in. NOT BUILT IN. That's an important distinction to make. It will not be a full on Kinect 2.0 upgrade. Instead it will essentially be the Kinect for Windows version (so it will have near mode), and since Durango will be significantly more powerful than the Xbox 360, you can expect this Kinect to be an improvement.
 
Media capabilities:
 
Yes, Durango will use Blu-ray. And that's really all I know, but since MS want this machine to be the "center-piece" of the living room, you can safely bet it will have all the bells and whistles that you have come to expect from a modern day piece of consumer technology.
I don't actually know this but expect this thing to be running Windows 8 in some shape or form. Since "the father of Windows NT" Dave Cutler. i.e. the guy who created the backbone that all modern Windows OS' are based on recently joined the Xbox team.
If that is true then I would hazard another guess that Durango will share the Microsoft app store with Windows 8 and Windows phone 8. So you can share your apps across three different devices. So start looking forward to playing Angry Birds on your Xbox!
 
Other bits of information:
 
A rumor that has been popping up everywhere recently has been the whole "Next Xbox won't play used games". As far as I'm concerned this isn't true, but like I said this info is from January, a lot can change. I really doubt it though, depending on what Sony or Nintendo do, it could do a lot of harm to Durango.
 
Another rumor is the "Next Xbox requires a constant internet connection to play" Well as far as I'm aware this simply isn't true. Of course things could change, like I said this info is from January. But it doesn't make sense to alienate so many potential customers.
 
This could simply be a complete misunderstanding of another feature MS would like to have in Durango. That feature is the "always on, always connected, Xbox".
 
As the name suggests MS want this thing to be on all the time, they really do want to make it the number one used piece of technology in the house.  So you never really turn it off (unless you want to). Instead, when you turn it "off" it simply slips into a low powered mode. In this mode, it can still download demos etc... but MS also want to do silent updates. So for example MS have announced there will be a major update delivered to all Xbox's overnight. You simply leave the Xbox in low power mode and by the time you wake up in the morning, everything is all done. That's my take from what I've been told anyway.
 
So how does this compare to the PS4 (Orbis)? I have no idea, since I have no info about the Orbis, and never will do.
 
But judging from what I've read and been told, MS are really going for it this gen. They know that if they really push it Sony can't compete (financially)
 
What about release date and cost? Well release date, all I've been told is 2013.
 
And cost, I have no idea. But why would ? I doubt if even MS know yet, since it's a year + away from release. But I think MS have learnt from Sony's mistake, and I doubt they will have their own $599 moment. They have the financial muscle to price Durango very competitively.
 
So that's all folks, I have a job to do.
 
By the way, although I don't post there (just lurk) this is a message to a certain gaming forum. I'm sure there will be a lot of "discussion" over there.
 
Believe!

Nothing new,sounds like a wishlist but who knows.

[tiesto]

Next gen, I'm just gonna buy whatever system has the most Japanese games made for it (so probably just the shitty 3DS ). No more buying every system ever anymore...

[Damian79]

2014 Ninthings: to clarify we meant WHIMSY from NINTENDO
2022 Ninthings: WHOO can't wait to play Wii-U2 will have awesome graphics

Why do you care, you dont want anything from Nintendo and neither does Nintendo want anything from you.  Its win win?

[maxy]

another rumor
next xbox will have 16 core ibm cpu,much more powerful than these days PCs,but still devs expect that PS4 will be even more powerful

Site next xbox track record

MS is playing safe with cpu and gpu
HD kinect
tablet controller

This week has certainly been fun,there should be at least one more "leak"

oh and the site also claims this

various studios are aiming to unveil their next generation software at E3 2012 in June, regardless of whether “Microsoft and Sony are ready or not.”

[BlueTsunami]

Painfully obvious some studios are ready to splooge nextgen all over our faces

[cool breeze]

wasn't the original dark sector footage shown before the consoles? vaguely remember the big deal surrounding it being "it's the first glimpse at next gen graphics"

[Stoney Mason]

wasn't the original dark sector footage shown before the consoles? vaguely remember the big deal surrounding it being "it's the first glimpse at next gen graphics"

Yeah although the line between games and pre-rendered target footage for this next generation will probably be as funny as the last generation. But I hope the third parties do show the software they are working on.

[magus]

ah all the distinguished mentally-challenged memories...

[maxy]

Fudzilla commenting on IGN rumors

The unit will use the AMD A8-3850 APU and  Radeon 7670 GPU. The AP-3850 APU is said to clock in at 2.9GHz and it will be a quad core chip, while the HD 7670 which will offer 1GB of RAM and while we have heard rumors of a projected clock speed, we would wait till we are closer to release before we predict what this will actually be.

As we told you previously, this selection does take back from the PC side, but there still a lot more questions than answers. Our contacts in the development community seem divided on what the box can actually deliver in terms of performance. According to one developer, “…we really don’t know how well the unit can perform, but so far it has been on par with the current generation.”

[EmCeeGrammar]

I think it just means the DVD drive can't read gamecube mini-discs and there are no gamecube controller ports. It could probably still play GC games through software emulation.

This, exactly.  Makes the drive cheaper, too.

Gamecube VC for WiiU! All 6ish games worth owning!

[Corporal]

Sorry, the 486 cluster that runs their entire network and shop infrastructure cannot possibly handle files as big as GC isos. Something about FAT12 and filesystem constraints.

Fudzilla commenting on IGN rumors
SNIP

Wait. That's the PS4, right? "On par with current gen systems"? Quick, someone tell GAF, this needs at least three threads to discuss. 

[BlueTsunami]

In regards to next gen "target" renders, never forget...

[bachikarn]

pastebin rumor correcting previous pastebin rumor

How expensive would something like that be? Guessing MS would have to take another $100 loss or whatever?

[magus]

In regards to next gen "target" renders, never forget...

[etiolate]

I don't understand the point of the Wii U if they release it just to be a generation behind again. All this talk in the early going was about being viable for ports and having the same multiplatform titles, and now they back out of that? Why? What is the point of the console existing then? And as I said before, the tablet is just the same double screen method of the DS that never went anywhere interesting.

The Wii, for all the hate thrown at it, was a focused concept that succeeded. The Wii U is a confused mess that's not forging any new ground.

[Damian79]

I don't understand the point of the Wii U if they release it just to be a generation behind again. All this talk in the early going was about being viable for ports and having the same multiplatform titles, and now they back out of that? Why? What is the point of the console existing then? And as I said before, the tablet is just the same double screen method of the DS that never went anywhere interesting.

The Wii, for all the hate thrown at it, was a focused concept that succeeded. The Wii U is a confused mess that's not forging any new ground.

Fishie from OA says that the wiiU is more powerful than what these rumors say, surprised he even revealed that much.  Besides who the fuck believes that Activision wont be making games for the Wii U, they defnitely will make a Kung Fu Panda game for the console.

[Stoney Mason]

I don't understand the point of the Wii U if they release it just to be a generation behind again. All this talk in the early going was about being viable for ports and having the same multiplatform titles, and now they back out of that? Why? What is the point of the console existing then? And as I said before, the tablet is just the same double screen method of the DS that never went anywhere interesting.

The Wii, for all the hate thrown at it, was a focused concept that succeeded. The Wii U is a confused mess that's not forging any new ground.

It's Nintendo. They don't give a crap about tech. And they say the same thing every gen. About how they want 3rd party support and will do everything it takes to get it. But they don't really care. As long as they have a stealth box on the market to sell Mario software they are "happy".

[etiolate]

Oh, I fully expect Activision on the system. The idea that they would ignore a platform with a userbase that will always show up is silly.

But the idea that Nintendo doesn't care about tech is not true. The N64 and Gamecube were both better than what existed at the time in a tech sense. I think that Nintendo is just not as good at pushing their tech as a sell point, considering that some thought the PSX was actually ahead of the N64 or that people still don't realize how powerful the GC was for the time. I think they kinda gave up on certain parts of console design because the public and press were not responding to their efforts.

But the whole talk with the start of Wii U was about being viable for equal ports. Then they just dump that idea. So it was in their head, but it seems they bailed because they were afraid of costs. That's just being cheap. It's like they have this condition where they shit money but remain constipated by their own choice.

[Oblivion]

Btw, you guys think that the 360/PS3 could do the Zelda demo and that bird demo with the same graphical fidelity?

[Oblivion]

Also, what the hell is this?

[Flannel Boy]

2014 Ninthings: to clarify we meant WHIMSY from NINTENDO
2022 Ninthings: WHOO can't wait to play Wii-U2 will have awesome graphics

2023: Activision has announces that Guitar Hero U2 will not be on the U2.
2024: Nintendo trademarks the word whimsy (TM).

[Great Rumbler]

Also, what the hell is this?

It's funny, because I look at this and thing "Wow, these graphics are beautiful. Better than what I've seen on my PS3." And then I realise this is only been done with an early dev kit. And that it's not even pre rendered, but rendered live.
ON A NINTENDO CONSOLE.
They've finally filled their one gap. Wii U is going to pwn some serious ass. Guaranteed.