Official *Consoles Are For Losers* thread

[Eel O'Brian]

well, everyone's got their "no thanks" line, and assuming this goes down and isn't just rumor then this is mine

i am able to play console games through trading and selling, last year i bottomed out and only made $21k (and had to pay for my painting materials out of that) - you guys who pull down the fat bucks might be able to brush this stuff off, but i'm in that vast group which can't, so it's pretty much a case of "i don't have the money any more, so it doesn't really matter if all my little online buddies cave or not"

they have two choices - they can have a little of my money, or they can have none of it

letting me trade or sell the games i am finished with or don't play anymore gets them a little, not allowing that gets them none

[headwalk]

sometimes I feel left out cuz my steam account only has three games.  a doom collection, vvvvvv, and ys origin.

that's three more than the rest of japan.

[Eel O'Brian]

man, i miss having money

[Cormacaroni]

Can I also point out that this always-online bullshit is not unique to MSFT? (assuming rumors are true). I have a boxed copy of DmC for PC right here that I can't play because it requires Steam to activate, and the game hasn't been released in Japan yet.

Eel, I feel your pain. But it makes no sense for them to subsidize (numbers pulled from ass, obviously...) a $800 collection of parts (and design and R&D and market costs) to sell it to you for $400 if you won't be contributing $400-plus back into the ecosystem. The whole thing is unsustainable without people who are prepared to buy at least some new games. This is not your problem, but yeah, I can see why you might not be in the market next-gen.

[Human Snorenado]

Can I also point out that this always-online bullshit is not unique to MSFT? (assuming rumors are true). I have a boxed copy of DmC for PC right here that I can't play because it requires Steam to activate, and the game hasn't been released in Japan yet.

Eel, I feel your pain. But it makes no sense for them to subsidize (numbers pulled from ass, obviously...) a $800 collection of parts (and design and R&D and market costs) to sell it to you for $400 if you won't be contributing $400-plus back into the ecosystem. The whole thing is unsustainable without people who are prepared to buy at least some new games. This is not your problem, but yeah, I can see why you might not be in the market next-gen.

EXACTLY MY LARGER POINT

Please, please, please stop trying to be hardware providers and just focus on content and delivery.  For the love of fuck.

[Cormacaroni]

sometimes I feel left out cuz my steam account only has three games.  a doom collection, vvvvvv, and ys origin.

that's three more than the rest of japan.

i'm at uhh, 321 as of this morning

[Cormacaroni]

Can I also point out that this always-online bullshit is not unique to MSFT? (assuming rumors are true). I have a boxed copy of DmC for PC right here that I can't play because it requires Steam to activate, and the game hasn't been released in Japan yet.

Eel, I feel your pain. But it makes no sense for them to subsidize (numbers pulled from ass, obviously...) a $800 collection of parts (and design and R&D and market costs) to sell it to you for $400 if you won't be contributing $400-plus back into the ecosystem. The whole thing is unsustainable without people who are prepared to buy at least some new games. This is not your problem, but yeah, I can see why you might not be in the market next-gen.

EXACTLY MY LARGER POINT

Please, please, please stop trying to be hardware providers and just focus on content and delivery.  For the love of fuck.

I think the advantages of standardized hardware don't really need explaining at this point? Am I wrong?

[Positive Touch]

yeah, not to get TOO holier-than-thou but i am dedicated to work and family and shit not fucking video games

probably the most fucked-up thing i have ever read

[Cormacaroni]

you're right i'll probably lie on my death-bed wishing i'd played some more video games

[Positive Touch]

you'll regret passing on that one spin-off of the series you really liked

[Cormacaroni]

it is more likely that i never actually die

[Eel O'Brian]

i am not singling out MS at all, i know sony's got their own thing brewing, and they can suck it too

most of the time i sold the games i was done with on ebay (before ebay became the draconian moneygrubbing anti-seller shitpit it is now), and would put that money towards new games

i bought a fuckton of new games that way, before business shit the bed

i never traded used for used at gamestop or anything (i still only trade when there's a bonus %), pretty much only towards new games, so console publishers always saw money from me in some straight or roundabout form

now they're all evidently working hard to eliminate that particular outlet, and in turn are eliminating that source of income (meager as it may have been), so they're going from getting a little to getting none, because i seriously doubt everyone's just gonna cave in and buy into a system where it's $60 straight cash per game with no chance of recouping any of that, and i think the people who won't buy into it (families, kids, poors like me) vastly outnumber the message board guys who buy everything

no one gives a shit that they can't trade in or sell their iOS/Android/Steam games, because those games are so cheap individually and no one pays any real attention to the cumulative amount

but you tell mom and dad they can't trade in the kids' old games to buy them new ones, you tell them once that $60 leaves their hands it's gone forever and the kids can't even take it over to their friends' homes to play on their PS4s or XboxNexts or whatever, what do you think mom and dad are gonna do? they're sure as shit not gonna cave in, they work on a budget and they can't afford to laugh it off and say "haha, guess they got us by the short hairs, madge!" no, they're gonna say "fuck video games, these kids are just gonna have to find a cheaper hobby." all the kid tears in the world don't make endless dollars magically appear in bank accounts.

[Cormacaroni]

Yeah, or they just give their kids their cheap-ass Kindle Fire and tell 'em to play Angry Birds or read a book. Not necessarily a bad outcome!

No doubt, traditional console gaming is under siege and harsh realities will have to be faced. But I am addressing EB in particular when I say that most of you will cave, no matter how much you stamp your feet. Obviously if you just flat-out don't have the cash you won't go sell your blood plasma to buy one. But assuming sufficient discretionary income, I'm betting very few people will actively boycott the entire gen, because of the used games thing or any other reason

[Positive Touch]

fact of the matter is, the traditional console business is failing and any measures like this that alienate consumers will kill it no doubt. there's a lot more people out there with tight budgets than people that dont have to worry as much, and there is no way in hell these people will support a model that's more restrictive and more expensive. the future of gaming is in the hands of whoever can get the best-quality gaming experience into people's hands that's ACTUALLY AFFORDABLE.

[Cormacaroni]

Look at how this has played out historically though - consoles are seen as a cheap entertainment alternative to say, eating out or drinking or going skiing or whatever. Also, parents tend to spend MORE on kids during recessions (this is a weird quirk that my wife's business exploits right now - sales of children's clothing invariably rises during harder times). Doesn't matter whether you find whatever psychological explanation I might offer for this convincing or not - it happens.

[Positive Touch]

god dammit cormac i will make sure videogames fail and you cannot stop me

[etiolate]

Well I don't see a reason to cave. I didn't buy a PS3 or 360 this gen despite there being some exclusives that I'd really like to play. The extra investment just wasn't worth it when my PC could play the majority of games on consoles, and have many more PC-only titles that interested me. As of now, I don't see that changing. If the new consoles retain the high software price point then I don't gain any advantage from this move by MS or Sony. I'm still stuck in the same situation, but now I like the console companies even less.

Now I may be a customer they have no interest in anymore. I was very console-heavy for a long time, but feel PC indie releases give me the quirkiness and variety that consoles once gave me. If the big console companies are only interested in a AAA-title based business then I don't really apply to them, but I'm not sure how sustainable that is for them.

[Cormacaroni]

ok, we're up to two

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Of course they're going to cave.

[Cormacaroni]

Yeah.

And that's not to say that Eel or etiolate are being unreasonable. I love PC as a platform, and I realize that console gaming can get expensive. They're just in the small minority I believe

[Raban]

sometimes I feel left out cuz my steam account only has three games.  a doom collection, vvvvvv, and ys origin.

At least you have nothing to be ashamed of in that library.

[Great Rumbler]

Someone needs to send Oscar the gift of Garshasp and Iron Roses.

[Stoney Mason]

People on forums should stop acting like their opinions carry over to the general public as the definitive word on these things. This isn't aimed at anyone per se but just a general observation. It's fine for people to have whatever opinion they want and to buy whatever they want. I don't even really care about whether people "cave" or not.  Why should anybody care about how somebody else spends their money?

I get some people saying they won't buy a console. I'm not sure why that needs to be some form of pat on the back thing. We all don't buy or do buy lots of things and no one gives a shit about it. I'm not going to buy a Wii U. I don't spend my time in the Wii U thread talking about how I continue to not buy a Wii U.

I don't doubt that the people who say they won't buy a console won't buy a console. The PC will certainly get a large percentage of the good stuff ported over anyway. After the facts of that situation, I'm not sure where the conversation goes other than how somebody chooses to spend their particular money.

[Cormacaroni]

I guess I am reacting to a lot of the 'PC is my next-gen console' stuff i'm hearing from people who have bought into every gen of consoles. There are plenty of reasons why I think they will end up buying a next-gen console

- Ports are FAR from a given. PC got fuck all of interest early in the 360 gen. We got like Gears of War which got pirated so bad Epic pulled out of the PC market. It has gotten better recently, sure, but that's probably just because most PCs can run ports without a ton of extra work on optimization

- People haven't spent a bunch of money on console hardware for a while, so they may have some cash burning to upgrade their PC. Great, but what happens 2-4 years in when their PCs are not enough to handle console ports? Faced with a choice of upgrading the PC again, or buying a console, I think a lot of people will find the console the most attractive option (I went like 5 years without a PC upgrade over the last gen and I think of myself as a PC gamer from way back)

- Consoles are relatively cheap to buy into after a year or two, with Xmas bundles. You'll get a couple of nice games, an extra controller or whatever and stable h/w for $300 most likely. Vs up to $2,000 on a new PC (yes i know you can do it for far less. I spent MORE here in Japan though. I'm saying UP to assuming you are some kind of gaming enthusiast)

- If you have bought into a Live Friends list and Achievements or trophies you are naturally going to be tempted to continue with that. Familiarity and inertia are very powerful

- COMFY COUCH (yes i use Big Picture, 360 controller etc. Many don't)

[Human Snorenado]

I think you're incorrectly pigeonholing me... I owned a 360 for probably less than a year, and the only game I played on it that I couldn't get on a pc was Bayonetta.  I'm not the type of gamer who can't get by without a console.  In fact, the only one I've ever bought at launch was a dreamcast.

[Stoney Mason]

I guess I am reacting to a lot of the 'PC is my next-gen console' stuff i'm hearing from people who have bought into every gen of consoles. There are plenty of reasons why I think they will end up buying a next-gen console

- Ports are FAR from a given. PC got fuck all of interest early in the 360 gen. We got like Gears of War which got pirated so bad Epic pulled out of the PC market. It has gotten better recently, sure, but that's probably just because most PCs can run ports without a ton of extra work on optimization

- People haven't spent a bunch of money on console hardware for a while, so they may have some cash burning to upgrade their PC. Great, but what happens 2-4 years in when their PCs are not enough to handle console ports? Faced with a choice of upgrading the PC again, or buying a console, I think a lot of people will find the console the most attractive option (I went like 5 years without a PC upgrade over the last gen and I think of myself as a PC gamer from way back)

- Consoles are relatively cheap to buy into after a year or two, with Xmas bundles. You'll get a couple of nice games, an extra controller or whatever and stable h/w for $300 most likely. Vs up to $2,000 on a new PC (yes i know you can do it for less. I spent MORE here in Japan though)

- If you have bought into a Live Friends list and Achievements or trophies you are naturally going to be tempted to continue with that. Familiarity and inertia are very powerful

- COMFY COUCH (yes i use Big Picture, 360 controller etc. Many don't)

I don't disagree. For joe normal average types consoles will still be the bread and butter. For lots of reasons. I just don't think forum people represent that joe normal guy at this point. It's a much more tech saavy group.

Personally I like certain kind of games on my PC and I prefer other kinds on my console. I also like the fact that it just works on my console. People can say whatever they want but for me not everything just works on PC without fiddling sometimes. Sometimes I'm not in the mood to fiddle. I just want the shit to work when I want to play. Of course PC offers other tangible benefits that I could list.

I think its feasible for somebody to be only a PC gamer especially at this stage of development which was something that wasn't really feasible to me in prior generations.

So I'm going to own a console and a PC for gaming. If money was tighter I would probably have to choose between one or the other but since its about the games I want to play, I'm going to own both. As annoying as the used game stuff is to me that's not the thing that's going to stop me from buying and playing something I want to play although I understand how somebody could come to the opposite conclusion. I don't tend to draw those hard lines in the sand generally for entertainment stuff. It's not something political to me. It's just games.

[Cormacaroni]

Not everyone I'm talking about has responded, or even posted in this thread. It's a common sentiment. People who've been through a number of gens know the score of course but I think people who are just jumping into PC gaming now are going to be pretty disappointed. There is a point in every console gen where PC gaming looks more attractive. Inevitably, that point passes. Maybe i'll be wrong and those people will still be happily gaming away on the PCs they bought in 2012 by the end of the next gen in 2020. I reallllllly doubt it though. In a couple of years, the pendulum will be back towards consoles. Sure, you can ignore that whole scene, more power to you. But I bet a lot of people won't, and will end up spending more than they planned because they 1) splurged on a gaming PC AND 2) bought into next-gen consoles.

Van Cruncheon, Treesong, Sho Nuff - I'm looking at you here. Next-gen will break you like mahfuckin BANE

[Stoney Mason]

Not everyone I'm talking about has responded, or even posted in this thread. It's a common sentiment. People who've been through a number of gens know the score of course but I think people who are just jumping into PC gaming now are going to be pretty disappointed. There is a point in every console gen where PC gaming looks more attractive. Inevitably, that point passes. Maybe i'll be wrong and those people will still be happily gaming away on the PCs they bought in 2012 by the end of the next gen in 2020. I reallllllly doubt it though. In a couple of years, the pendulum will be back towards consoles. Sure, you can ignore that whole scene, more power to you. But I bet a lot of people won't, and will end up spending more than they planned because they 1) splurged on a gaming PC AND 2) bought into next-gen consoles.

Van Cruncheon, Treesong, Sho Nuff - I'm looking at you here. Next-gen will break you like mahfuckin BANE

I think this transition is a little different. It really pays for third parties to spread it around platform wise in a way that it didn't before. And steam didn't exist at the level it did for the last transition. Not that early on there won't be more exclusives. I think both Sony and MS will try to create more of those (or moneyhat them) especially at the beginning to entice people to their platform of choice. I honestly think there are legit too many games for people to play nowadays between indies, AAA, free to play, and other platforms rather than too few. So I could see people owning less. Hell I use to want every single console. I certainly don't feel that way anymore.

[Cormacaroni]

Yeah, the overall appetite for games has to be a lot less. No-one can be STARVING for that new Playstation. Even little kids who can't buy their own shit are drowning in games (and every other form of entertainment) now.

Still, the exclusives things cuts both ways I think - what are the odds that Half-Life 3 will be PC exclusive? Minimal, right? FPSes being playable on console hit PC gaming pretty hard this gen, and those people may not be back.

[Trent Dole]

I'm not willing or able to cough up 5-600 on launch either way, maybe by the time these things are at a more reasonable price point for me they'll have abandoned this always on BS like the music industry had to bail on content protected CDs due to consumer RAGE. Or I could just get a fucking Weeeooooooo.  :usavich

[Human Snorenado]

Another personal thing for me is that between school, work, and trying to have a social life (there's a pretty redheaded GIRL, pd, that I'm trying to hook up with) I'm not going to have a shit load of time for games.  I already have an arpg addiction, and on that front Diablo 3, Path of Exile and Grim Dawn look to have me covered for the foreseeable future. 

So, on a personal level I have fuck all reason to buy in right now.  I might change my tune but I highly doubt it.

Those who have the disposable income (those you mentioned) will definitely be disposing of it, though.  No doubt about that.

[Raban]

Not everyone I'm talking about has responded, or even posted in this thread. It's a common sentiment. People who've been through a number of gens know the score of course but I think people who are just jumping into PC gaming now are going to be pretty disappointed. There is a point in every console gen where PC gaming looks more attractive. Inevitably, that point passes. Maybe i'll be wrong and those people will still be happily gaming away on the PCs they bought in 2012 by the end of the next gen in 2020. I reallllllly doubt it though. In a couple of years, the pendulum will be back towards consoles. Sure, you can ignore that whole scene, more power to you. But I bet a lot of people won't, and will end up spending more than they planned because they 1) splurged on a gaming PC AND 2) bought into next-gen consoles.

Van Cruncheon, Treesong, Sho Nuff - I'm looking at you here. Next-gen will break you like mahfuckin BANE

PC gaming has come a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo (imagine this goes on for 10 pages) oooooooooooooong way from where it used to be. We're at the point where PC gaming more often than not provides a more user-friendly service than consoles do. Granted, console manufacturers will undoubtedly try and compete with this as they've already applied a lot of those improvements to the hobbled infrastructure of current consoles, but the whole not-married-to-hardware nature of PCs allow them to keep up the pace to an extent.

Another thing to think about is that PC gaming isn't necessarily all about pushing big-budget, AAA, cinematic experiences like console gaming seems to be in love with. You'd think with the hardware potential of PCs this would be a different story, but I'm not convinced the largest demographic of PC gamers is the enthusiast crowd. I think there are more people who enjoy the smaller, less demanding, independent and free-to-play games that are slowly stepping into the role of offering more experimental, B and C-tier experiences that this generation has seemingly banished from the console space.

Then again, as I reread your post, I think you're talking more specifically about how PC enthusiasts are going to dive into the new hardware as soon as it becomes apparent that most of the AAA experiences end up locked away on consoles, in which case you're probably right on the money.

[Momo]

sometimes I feel left out cuz my steam account only has three games.  a doom collection, vvvvvv, and ys origin.

Is your steam id the same as your PSN? I usually give out gifts to my friendlist during sales.

On the flip side, yesterday me and another dude wanted to play a game on steam, he sat next to me and leered over at me furiously scrolling down to the game we wanted to play, he then pulled up one eyebrow and said "sure you have enough games there mate"

[DCharlieJP]

Guys, learn from previous figgit "will not cave" manstance. How long did that last? 1 day was it - and even that was only because i had norovirus and leaving the house would have meant i shit my pants by the time i got to the corner of the street.

And that was a 24 stance against the fucking WiiU. Against the PS4 and X720? NOOooooooo fucking chance.

Also - yes, i know, High end PCs will likely outclass the machines at launch and then humble them with in 8 months. But so what? Doesn't change the fact that the consoles are going to be (relatively) cheap as chips and you -know- there's going to be shit on the MS/Sony machines that you won't see either AT ALL or IN A LONG TIME on the PC.

Stop being figgit liars to yourselves. You'll be there. Maybe not EToilet who managed to like gaming and not buy the one hot joint machine of 2006-2013. smfh

[archie4208]

I'll buy a new console when there are some games I want to play on it and its at an affordable price.  I'm in no rush.

[Madrun Badrun]

figgit

[headwalk]

Guys, learn from previous figgit "will not cave" manstance. How long did that last? 1 day was it - and even that was only because i had norovirus and leaving the house would have meant i shit my pants by the time i got to the corner of the street.

And that was a 24 stance against the fucking WiiU. Against the PS4 and X720? NOOooooooo fucking chance.

Also - yes, i know, High end PCs will likely outclass the machines at launch and then humble them with in 8 months. But so what? Doesn't change the fact that the consoles are going to be (relatively) cheap as chips and you -know- there's going to be shit on the MS/Sony machines that you won't see either AT ALL or IN A LONG TIME on the PC.

Stop being figgit liars to yourselves. You'll be there. Maybe not EToilet who managed to like gaming and not buy the one hot joint machine of 2006-2013. smfh

they outclass them since last year and will laugh in their face in 8 months.

[Cormacaroni]

Raban - I'm the dude who just wrote this - http://cormacaroni.tumblr.com/post/42431431876/on-antichamber-pc-game-available-on-steam-15-by

So yeah, I get the attractions of experimental PC gaming. But I also think the best of this stuff will get to XBLA or PSN eventually, and there will be similar stuff exclusive to those platforms so it's a bit of a wash

[tiesto]

Ill take no BC over no used games.

Whenever they decide to push 100% digital, they'll slowly dry up physical releases by making them less frequent and more expensive. 

Would be cool if this spurred the opening of tons of retro game stores...but it'll probably just bump up online prices for retro games.

Yeah that won't happen. I wouldn't want to open a store who's target demographic are shutin spergs that will complain that they found this game online cheaper and never buy in your store but only come and browse.

So you wouldn't open a store then.  It's cute you think price-bitchers are limited to spergy gamers.

I"d rather deal with spergy gamers price-bitching than the type of people I had price-bitching that one summer I worked at Kmart. 

[Cormacaroni]

Guys, learn from previous figgit "will not cave" manstance. How long did that last? 1 day was it - and even that was only because i had norovirus and leaving the house would have meant i shit my pants by the time i got to the corner of the street.

And that was a 24 stance against the fucking WiiU. Against the PS4 and X720? NOOooooooo fucking chance.

Also - yes, i know, High end PCs will likely outclass the machines at launch and then humble them with in 8 months. But so what? Doesn't change the fact that the consoles are going to be (relatively) cheap as chips and you -know- there's going to be shit on the MS/Sony machines that you won't see either AT ALL or IN A LONG TIME on the PC.

Stop being figgit liars to yourselves. You'll be there. Maybe not EToilet who managed to like gaming and not buy the one hot joint machine of 2006-2013. smfh

they outclass them since last year and will laugh in their face in 8 months.

Yes, they do right now but just you wait until every developer has switched over to next-gen dev kits. I run a 680 and I fully expect the actual next-gen games to look way better than my PC games in a couple of years. Happy to be proven wrong of course

[Raban]

Raban - I'm the dude who just wrote this - http://cormacaroni.tumblr.com/post/42431431876/on-antichamber-pc-game-available-on-steam-15-by

So yeah, I get the attractions of experimental PC gaming. But I also think the best of this stuff will get to XBLA or PSN eventually, and there will be similar stuff exclusive to those platforms so it's a bit of a wash

I think it's the other way around. Think about how many XBLA and PSN exclusives are jumping/have jumped on the Steam train. This will be especially common if Sony and Microsoft still stick to their rigid pricing structure instead of letting creators pick the price this time around.

[Cormacaroni]

they're porting shit over but who is making any money on it at those price points?

[Raban]

Good point. Unfortunately, the all-digital future doesn't provide the numbers needed to properly answer that question

[Don Flamenco]

dedication to games

Just like the last rhetorical question I asked (Who waited for longer than a couple of years to buy a current gen console?), I'll get one or two people standing up and saying YES LOOK AT ME YOU'RE WRONG and a whole lot of silence from everybody else who knows the troof:

Steam - awesome shopping fun, awesome for gaming...not necessarily better value than anything else because it induces crazy overspending

I haven't overspent anything and I got 25 games vs. the 2 games you would get buying a console game a month for two months.   That's a better value any way you slice it.   

it's excessive, but owning that much at dirt cheap prices doesn't affect anything but HDD space and decision time about what I want to play. 

[Cormacaroni]

You have overspent if you have paid for any games that you haven't actually played. Want me to find out your user name and go through your library?

[D3RANG3D]

You have overspent if you have paid for any games that you haven't actually played. Want me to find out your user name and go through your library?

>Year of our lord 2013, playing the games you buy

[Cormacaroni]

i no rite

but hark to these parsimonious fools, with their talk of fiscal prudence and dedication to 'Gaming'

[DCharlieJP]

they outclass them since last year and will laugh in their face in 8 months.

Naaa - i think if we talk about the super rigs - yes. But the results out of the consoles will do fine. There's other bumps that the non-PC machines will get that'll result in it being at least up there for a time.

[Cormacaroni]

This is just like the masturbation thread, where there is much pontification about the joys of not jerking and then 3 posts later 'I'm out'

[chronovore]

sometimes I feel left out cuz my steam account only has three games.  a doom collection, vvvvvv, and ys origin.

that's three more than the rest of japan.

i'm at uhh, 321 as of this morning

Cormacaroni, you're positing that most of Japan is work-at-home males who are also immigrants?

I mean, anecdotal evidence supports this, between you and me. And now XFE.

...Hey, waitaminnit...!

it is more likely that i never actually die

AND WE'RE IMMORTAL? HOLY SHIT, THIS IS AWESOME.

[Momo]

Fuck 'em....if and when this news is confirmed; I am going to do 2 things:

1) Refuse to ever buy it (my PC rig will get the cash instead of consoles)

2) I will pirate the shit out of every single XB360 I own - I have 5 consoles in my home now, and they will ALL get chipped and flashed and made ready to run copies and non-official code - and I will also pirate every game from my back log - I'll snap the discs that haven't yet been played but that I own in half and download illegal copies of them just because I can, and any game that I MIGHT have been tempted to buy in the console transition years will strictly come from the black market as well.

These money grubbing control freaks can suck my balls if they think for one minute that I have any intention of supporting ANY product that tells ME how I can CHOOSE to use it or place draconian restrictions on me as part of the deal for using said product. Its time these fuckers wake up and realize that the only thing that gives any of their product value is the desire of people to experience it. Start dictating how that can happen in such ham-fisted ways and its game over, pun intended.

I dare them to be this stupid.

[Cormacaroni]

^will break inside a year

[headwalk]

they outclass them since last year and will laugh in their face in 8 months.

Naaa - i think if we talk about the super rigs - yes. But the results out of the consoles will do fine. There's other bumps that the non-PC machines will get that'll result in it being at least up there for a time.

say secret sauce and i'll personally burn down an A&W factory.

consoles always open pretty weak out the gate, even when the 360 was packing a bleeding edge video card equivalent games like CoD2 were pretty comparable to the PC version, combine this with the idea that PC ports will barely even need to be ports given the x86 architecture of next gen consoles and you're looking at a lifecycle where they'll already be irrelevant to dandruff harvesting tech fiends by the time they find their footing.

to everyone else they'll just be the easiest way of plugging netflix in to your TV and livestreaming your nutsack to your estranged father in 1080p.

[Smooth Groove]

Sony should just make a two inch screen for next gen

sfags obviously love watching games and videos in that size

[DCharlieJP]

say secret sauce and i'll personally burn down an A&W factory.

consoles always open pretty weak out the gate, even when the 360 was packing a bleeding edge video card equivalent games like CoD2 were pretty comparable to the PC version, combine this with the idea that PC ports will barely even need to be ports given the x86 architecture of next gen consoles and you're looking at a lifecycle where they'll already be irrelevant to dandruff harvesting tech fiends by the time they find their footing.

to everyone else they'll just be the easiest way of plugging netflix in to your TV and livestreaming your nutsack to your estranged father in 1080p.

SECRET SAUCE! Though hilariously one of the guys i was talking to sent me the spec of the PC he just build with a "fuck next gen!" message. Lol.

[pilonv1]

What GPU did he buy?

I'll happily admit that no matter what I say now about next gen stupidity I'll probably buy a new Xdude at launch. After being a "buy all platforms" console gamer the last few gens (although that didn't last long this time, LOLWII ) the best thing about this long generation is that it's made me realise I only need one console, and probably could do without any. Tablet and smartphone gaming seem to be enough for the little free time I do have.

[Cerveza mas fina]

I just bought Witcher 2 for 9.99 on Steam

[maxy]

Was too lazy to say something about this before,

Ultimately, the next (last) gen is going to be all about people coming to the realization that there's no fucking reason to own consoles if the future is going to be dd (which I can assure you, it is).  You idiots have fun owning the final nails in the console coffin, I'll be chilling over here enjoying real gaming for a shit ton cheaper and easier on mah pc.

Dunno,Gabe seems to be nervous these days.Consoles losing ties with retailers/going digital means that Steam will get some serious competition in the future.Publishers are the key,it's easy to sell cheap on Steam,iOS,whatever when bulk of your money comes from somewhere else(console retail) but if that starts changing,lots of things will change simply because big hardware manufacturers will try to lock content to their ecosystem.

What I'm trying to say is that in some distant point in future you will have price parity among services,just like you have that today between PS3 and 360.For the ones that survive of course.

War of the ecosystems.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Sure, but then again if you look at top sellers on steam half of them is PC only anwyay so can do fine without console.

Edit: Omerta and Antichamber are prob PSN/XBL which means they arent high budget either.

Didnt even count Witcher 2 which did great without consoles at first.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

my plan for the next gen of gaming looks like this:

- play 3ds in rare moments of actual free time
- play iphone games the rest of the time
- buy whatever console my kid points at at christmas time
- play some fucking mario with him because he's gonna point at the nintendo one
- in the last year of the gen when my kid will be readying for university or already there, sneak myself a ps4 on the sly to play some ryu ga gotoku.  should be about six new ones by then.

MY plan for the next gen of gaming looks like this:

- No actual free time to speak of
- Buy all next gen consoles and handhelds
- Buy all of the good games that come out for it
- I'll say to myself "I'm going to play through these games one day"
- Never do but keep buying games anyway