Official *Consoles Are For Losers* thread

[cool breeze]

something I realized I want in the new controllers today: NFC to effortlessly sync controllers. even after all these years there's an awkward moment when you try to sync a controller on a friend's console and somehow mess up.  also, wireless charging, but that might get too expensive.

[Momo]

I have a TB drive in my PS3 and install whatever I can

[naff]

nvm

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

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What's this from?

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Found it.

MS will fuck up so badly next gen, everyone can feel it. The curse of the 3rd console.

Haha, going DD only will be a fucking disaster, I hope someone is incompetent enough to try to do that.

[Eel O'Brian]

i can't wait for all this shit to get laid out in the open once and for all

i figure neither sony or ms will come clean off the bat about their drm plans, there'll be a lot of question dodging and doublespeak until right before launch, they'll both try to downplay that stuff as much as possible

[headwalk]

sony's lack of explicit confirmation of used game locks on the 20th will serve as a cast iron promise that they are the true friend of gamers everywhere and as such, will be weaponised by console warriors everywhere.

it's going to be all very repugnant, and that's before we get to the made-for-gif non gameplay fetishisation.

[Diunx]

I expect all that shit to be confirmed/denied i some press conference in October just before the launch.

[maxy]

No worries,Hollywood will save us

Just saw this



 



youtube comments are pretty fun too

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

i can't wait for all this shit to get laid out in the open once and for all

i figure neither sony or ms will come clean off the bat about their drm plans, there'll be a lot of question dodging and doublespeak until right before launch, they'll both try to downplay that stuff as much as possible

Yep.  Much like Nintendo not releasing specs for the Wii U, Sony and Microsoft will continue to obfuscate the used game issue until they're caught red handed.

There is an air of desperation here as Sony and Microsoft find ways to bring in revenue.  It would be naive to assume that they won't try something and even if they're caught, doing it anyway.

[Cerveza mas fina]

I don't even buy second hand games, I just want to sell stuff. This is a basic consumer right.

If I can't sell stuff I buy like digital games or music the only, only justification would be for me that it's dirt cheap (steam, appstore) or is part of some unlimited use subscribtion (Netflix, spotify).

[Stoney Mason]

No worries,Hollywood will save us

Just saw this

The thing is I actually agree in theory with a decent portion of what Cage and Spector say on this subject. The problem is they are complete dicks and utterly insulting the way they go about it which doesn't help their points.

[BlueTsunami]

Cage is such a hack, he just wants to plug into that sweet Hollywood money. Please fund my shitty non-game.

[Joe Molotov]

David Cage wants to make movies, but he makes videogames instead because the standards are lower.

[Great Rumbler]

Lest we all forget, David Cage is responsible for this:

[Huff]

Didn't Gabe just come out and say basically the same thing that david cage did?

[Stoney Mason]

Didn't Gabe just come out and say basically the same thing that david cage did?

Not really from what I read.

Like I said I don't actually have a problem with the theory of what Cage is saying. It's when he feels he needs to trash everybody to prop himself up where it gets annoying. Just talking about what you're doing and people would like that alot more.

[Great Rumbler]

I like how he just lumps all Nintendo games together and then labels them "kids games."

[maxy]

Vg chartzzz lol.
Lumping Nintendo just like that with the rest of the industry shows that he doesn't really know what he is talking about.

Oh look this is Nintendo,they make kids and casual games,Wii and DS made them rich as fuck and the rest of the industry makes COD games.We should move to a wider audience!!

[Dickie Dee]

David Cage wants to make movies, but he makes videogames instead because the standards are lower.

lol, spot on

[Great Rumbler]

Also, don't Nintendo games and COD games already reach a really wide audience which is why they tend to a sell a mind-blowing amount that is leagues beyond just about any other game?

[Trent Dole]

Hideo Kojima wants to make movies, but he makes videogames instead because the standards are lower.

[Eel O'Brian]

press x to cry

[Rahxephon91]

Hideo Kojima wants to make movies, but he makes videogames instead because the standards are lower.

At least he made good games at one point. Can't say that about Cage ever.

[cool breeze]

Evolution (Motorstorm) people are teasing their game for the Playstation event.  Supposed to be a new game/series.  Might be related to that Scheme Bludhaven Motoring game rumor.

Media Molecule (LittleBigPlanet) are teasing something.  Nothing that hints at PS4 or the 20th event, but who knows.  And the other rumor posted earlier is Killzone 4.

Don't think next gen multiplatform games will show up at the sony thing.  For reference, this was the Vita reveal and it's all sony stuff.  But to be fair, it's not much different once you throw in the third party games.

[Diunx]

Hideo Kojima wants to make movies, but he makes videogames instead because the standards are lower.

He actually did say something like that in an interview.

[Stoney Mason]

Here is what I'll say without demonizing any particular person. Both Spector and Cage talk about this idea that games should appeal to people outside of the core demographic and to do this games have to be about wider things than being a supersoldier or saving the world in an RPG. The specific examples they cite as to what they want to make are very different but the overall core concept is similar in that goal of more diversity.

As a very broad general statement I agree with that. As I get older I get less and less interested in the traditional games I've played all my life and I look for something that maybe casts me in roles that I haven't played before. As a general statement I think that is a laudable goal. More diversity in games.

The problem is they seem to kind of ignore where that his happening all over the place. They ignore facebook, They ignore ios, they are ignoring a lot of indie games. Where they want this to happen is in the very mainstream console market. And I'm just never sure its going to happen there. For specific reasons. It's a younger core demographic. It's a broader core demographics. That market is a lot more similar to comic book or summer movies. So you can always occasionally inject some diversity into that but its never going to be the art house they want it to be. I believe they are fundamentally trying to change a market into something its not instead of being satisfied as the guys who can occasionally inject some diversity.

I'm not sure mainstream big mass market games will ever be as diverse as movies and if its going to happen its going to happen at such a slow pace that wishing it went faster is just kind of pointless. Just be happy doing your thing and doing what you can. And they should stop attacking everybody else for recognizing the actual current limitations of the market and catering to the people who actually are the consumers at the moment.

[Stoney Mason]

My problem is that he's not really arguing for more diversity.  He's just arguing for things to be the way he wants, which would probably be about the same amount of diversity but in different areas.  Cage doesn't just say "I would like there to be more games like Heavy Rain", he says "I would like it if games that were not like Heavy Rain did not exist because I think they are silly".

I don't think anyone is against there being more types of games and themes out there, but he's arguing it at the expense of things that are already established, and at the same time dismissing any new ideas that might happen to not fit his idea of how things should be.  And not that he has to lead by example, but it would help if he himself was a bit more diverse with what he did.  Yeah, he does a different style of game from the norm, but he keeps doing the same sort of different style.

I think the problem is more how he frames his argument. I really do think he wants more diversity and real diversity. I think he is so intent on shitting on everything in the current market though that it makes him look petty. I like a world where David Cage is making games and his games aren't for everyone. I'm just tired of him attacking everybody else to try to paint the comparison that he is doing something unique and revolutionary and everybody else is a pandering simpleton. He made a decent point when he originally started this argument and discussion years ago and he just seems to be getting more and more extreme or redundant with it every time I hear it.

[maxy]

https://twitter.com/Rushy33/status/300727870404325376

Joe Anderson ‏@_wotta
@Rushy33 soo excited if we are talking about the same thing

Joe Anderson ‏@_wotta
Evolution showing off new title in 10 days hopefully those 120 people are working on something (awesome).

Joe Anderson ‏@_wotta
February 20. Excited?

Joe Anderson ‏@_wotta
@napalmjam it's a new ip for the next PlayStation and it's gonna be incredible.


Rumors say three games at the event

1.Guerrilla games...Killzone 4?
2.Evolution...PGR style racer
3.?

[cool breeze]

Guerrilla supposedly has two games; one is Killzone 4 and the other is something new.  Rumors just mention Killzone 4 to be shown, which is sort of exciting for the graphics, and not at all for the game.

for evolutions game, I like the idea (others have proposed) of a racer set in the period between the automobile and hovercraft eras as seen in the intro to wipeout vita: #t=75s .  gif from leaked video of bizarre's cancelled racer (Blur 2?) shows the direction they were taking it:  http://www.abload.de/img/arrlw8.gif

and on the durango side, Lucid Games are the devs behind PGR5 and an ex-Wipeout guy is working on it?

[Phoenix Dark]

can't wait for Ntards to argue KZ4 could be done on the WiiU, or that it doesn't look as impressive as the Zelda demo

[maxy]

I wonder if third party will show anything.Maybe EA shows next next gen Madden

[Cerveza mas fina]

Hmm I think they could show a next gen Fifa, but it wouldn't be much of showcase game I'm afraid.

[maxy]

9 more days till the PS4pocalypse

Did you see this?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47553097&postcount=572
- PS4 will have external power brick
- 25 x 14 x 10
- Slot loading drive

Wii U: 27cm deep x 17cm long x 4.5 cm high

thuway insider 

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

9 more days till the PS4pocalypse

Can't wait for the bullshots to be shown at the PS4pocalypse

Can't wait for the tards to say that those bullshots are actually real time and in game

[Cerveza mas fina]

You guys are stupid if you think nintendo whimsy can be reduced physical dimensions of a power brick.

Iwata will unveil a usb dongle that will unlock the secret sauce at the next Nintendo Direct closing the gap betweem WiiU and PS4.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Sfags say that "Sony has learned" and they won't show CGI bullcrap now.

You know what would be the best? If sony showed that KZ2 CG, then split the screen like 50 times and then say this is all real time on the PS4.

Btw I really hope KZ4 is not a launch game that game plays like a tank.

[pilonv1]

They almost had one but they ruined it.

[Cerveza mas fina]

The problem with Killzone is the sluggish, heavy controls, it feels like youre controlling some goddamn mech (and not a cool mech thats agile). I heard this was done on purpose, but its really a bad bad bad choice then. If they sped it up it could maybe compete with games like COD. Even BF which is more rooted in "realism" feels more responsive then this.

Maybe the game has more problems then this, but after playing the demo I never felt like buying the game.

You're right though Oscar, if KZ4 was a launch game it would fare better yes, but I secrelty hope they will let Guerilla make some new FPS.

[Cerveza mas fina]

They aren't bad, I think they have been crushed by fanboy expectations. That PSP game was ok, but you just know they are being ruled with an iron fist by Sony in all their decisions.

The chances of Sony letting them make something that isn't an FPS are slim I think (for PS4 launch at least).

[ManaByte]

The problem with Killzone is the sluggish, heavy controls, it feels like youre controlling some goddamn mech (and not a cool mech thats agile). I heard this was done on purpose, but its really a bad bad bad choice then. If they sped it up it could maybe compete with games like COD. Even BF which is more rooted in "realism" feels more responsive then this.

Maybe the game has more problems then this, but after playing the demo I never felt like buying the game.

You're right though Oscar, if KZ4 was a launch game it would fare better yes, but I secrelty hope they will let Guerilla make some new FPS.

Maybe they'll make a sequel to their shitty Vietnam FPS?

[Eel O'Brian]

Yeah, the KZ games are pretty but control like Molasses: The Game™

[ManaByte]

Killzone 4 will be the Halo 5 killer!

[Momo]

The problem with Killzone is the sluggish, heavy controls, it feels like youre controlling some goddamn mech (and not a cool mech thats agile). I heard this was done on purpose, but its really a bad bad bad choice then. If they sped it up it could maybe compete with games like COD. Even BF which is more rooted in "realism" feels more responsive then this.

Maybe the game has more problems then this, but after playing the demo I never felt like buying the game.

You're right though Oscar, if KZ4 was a launch game it would fare better yes, but I secrelty hope they will let Guerilla make some new FPS.

Killzone 3 "fixes" the molasses laden bones problem, it is however inferior to Killzone 2 is just about ever other way. 

[Cerveza mas fina]

Maybe they should make a WW2 tank game.

This would also provide the lulz ala Uncharted when it TANKS 

[Brehvolution]

[Don Flamenco]

it wouldn't be a Sony reveal without some funny bullshit.   Shit, even Sony themselves don't have to do anything-- iirc, the FFVII PS3 demonstration had "Not A Game In Development" disclaimer or something, which didn't stop everyone from freaking out for years after (every announcement of an announcement/"secret game" for the PS3 was "OMG its FFVII.")

[cool breeze]

I'm sure Killzone will be as mediocre and uninteresting as ever.  Releasing it near launch is a good idea.  That's pretty much the best time to sell mediocre and uninteresting things. 

It's kind of amazing to me that for all the money and effort thrown into it, Sony still doesn't have a first party FPS worth a damn.

On PS2 the go to shooter was SOCOM.  On PS3 there were lots of attempts.  Lots of attempts.  A couple were interesting, a few were good, but nothing stuck.  The idea of launching the PS4 with Planetside 2 is nice.  Who knows if it'll be popular on consoles but right there is a great, free to play shooter with a built in audience from the PC.

And I liked Killzone 2.  Really great atmosphere.  Controls were bad but it didn't kill the game for me.  With the exception of the stupid last boss that takes places in an open arena, most of the game is pushing forward and fighting enemies ahead of you.  Killzone 3 looked like bog-standard military shooter.  Killzone 1 is nigh unplayable on PS2.  Killzone Liberation is good.  All in all it's hard to care about a franchise when it's got a track record like that.  But maybe they'll do something interesting, like make it a squad based shooter in a time when those games are rare.

it wouldn't be a Sony reveal without some funny bullshit.   Shit, even Sony themselves don't have to do anything-- iirc, the FFVII PS3 demonstration had "Not A Game In Development" disclaimer or something, which didn't stop everyone from freaking out for years after (every announcement of an announcement/"secret game" for the PS3 was "OMG its FFVII.")

even the Vita carted out metal gear, lost planet, and yakuza to say "we can run the ps3 games on this (at a considerably lower frame rate)" and people just assumed those would be games.

[ManaByte]

PS4 will launch with PlanetSide 2. DCUO on PS3 does really well for SOE and they'll want to replace that at PS4 launch with PlanetSide. Hell they'll probably show the PS4 version at SOE Live this summer since it'll be after the console is revealed.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Guys planetside is really amazingly mediocre and shouldnt be a launch showcase game unless sony wants to get laughed at.

[maxy]

http://kotaku.com/5982986/we-know-all-about-the-next-xbox-from-someone-who-says-theyve-got-one

The next-generation Xbox—the one that will follow the still-popular Xbox 360—will run multiple games at once, require game installations, and will only work when a much-improved version of the popular but divisive Kinect sensor array is plugged in, according to a source who says he has access to development hardware.

We've also heard more about how the system apparently works and what it will be like to control it and play games on it, though we've not seen the unit ourselves. Our source even claims to have played some Durango games, describing the graphical leap from current-gen console gaming like going from playing Halo 2 on an original Xbox to playing Crysis on a powerful PC.

Perhaps most importantly, this isn't an optional accessory. It's mandatory. Not only does a Kinect ship with every console, but it must be plugged in and calibrated for the console to even function.

This requirement is due to the way Kinect has been integrated with the Durango; because every console can be guaranteed of having the camera, developers can now program every game with the peripheral in mind.

It's also because the Kinect will always be watching you. The new version of the camera is able to track up to six individual "skeletons" in the same room at all times. This has clear gameplay implications, such as allowing a game to instantly identify a person, but could also be related to a recently-patented Microsoft system for monitoring and maybe even charging users based on who is watching what. SuperDae's Kinect documentation also makes mention of automatic player identification becoming part of a gameplay experience.

The camera has also been improved upon the models currently available, with the Durango's version capable of independently tracking your thumbs, determining whether your hand is open or closed, and even, it's claimed, reading your facial expression and seeing whether you're angry, sad or excited. The improved viewing angle is so wide that the new Kinect doesn't even need to nod to find the best viewing angle.

A point of confusion during the lifetime of the Xbox 360, and one of consternation for developers, was the way in which Microsoft split the install base of the machine, selling some consoles with a hard drive and others without. This meant games could not be programmed to specifically take advantage of a hard drive installation.

That divide is gone this time around, with all Durango retail consoles shipping with an HDD. That drive is 500GB in size, which should be enough for your media storage needs, but it'll mostly be used for games, which must now be installed immediately upon first insertion of the game disc.

What's more, this installation can take place automatically, while you're playing the game. Durango titles can be designed in "sections," so that you can pop your disc in, start playing and, in the background, the rest of the game will install. Installing games should bring performance improvements, we think, but doing so in the background should also get rid of pre-game install waits, one of the more annoying hold-ups of the current generation of consoles.

Durango game installations will also be mandatory, as games can't directly access data from the disc.

The Durango's control pad will be a "natural evolution" of the Xbox 360's pad, according to SuperDaE's info. While this suggests a near-identical layout—not necessarily a problem considering the cross-platform popularity of the layout with the PC—Xbox 360 controllers won't work with the Durango, as they use what Microsoft is calling a "new wireless technology."

[cool breeze]

"new wireless technology" as in new for Xbox? like bluetooth? I'd be willing to buy a new PC adapter for the controller but dongle-less is better.

[treythemovie]

Considering how Sony is these days, Guerrilla's choices are probably "make Killzone forever" or "shut'm down".

And if it was up to Sony of America, they'd do both!

[Brehvolution]

lik dis if u haf to mak a sandvich evrytim

[Eel O'Brian]

[Eel O'Brian]

Perhaps most importantly, this isn't an optional accessory. It's mandatory. Not only does a Kinect ship with every console, but it must be plugged in and calibrated for the console to even function.

This requirement is due to the way Kinect has been integrated with the Durango; because every console can be guaranteed of having the camera, developers can now program every game with the peripheral in mind.

[Purple Filth]

Perhaps most importantly, this isn't an optional accessory. It's mandatory. Not only does a Kinect ship with every console, but it must be plugged in and calibrated for the console to even function.

This requirement is due to the way Kinect has been integrated with the Durango; because every console can be guaranteed of having the camera, developers can now program every game with the peripheral in mind.

that cant be true...

plus this whole thing is from SuperDAE so take with a grain of salt.

[maxy]

Not sure why people are surprised about mandatory Kinect.MS is not going to put Kinect in every box and make it optional to use.

[hampster]

Durango Plan B- selling console at $199 w/o Kinect?

[Human Snorenado]

He seems legit but I dunno. 9 more days and all will be clear. I got the monies put aside so it's now up to Sony to blow me away with exclusives. They can always fuck up the launch like they did with PS3 or like Nintendo did recently with Wii U.

Like Sony won't show impressive shit.  That's what they're good at, is showing a bunch of BS shit that they pass of as "in game footage", and you KNOW this.

[TakingBackSunday]

Not sure why people are surprised about mandatory Kinect.MS is not going to put Kinect in every box and make it optional to use.

that's what nintendo did with the wiimote!