MASS EFFECT 3 |OT|

[Mr. Gundam]

Getting close to the endgame.

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I actually like Miranda, so I found her death on Sanctuary touching.

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She can die?

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Kai Leng attacks her on Sanctuary, and she dies from the wounds, but not before killing her father.

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[Mr. Gundam]

Getting close to the endgame.

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I actually like Miranda, so I found her death on Sanctuary touching.

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She can die?

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Kai Leng attacks her, and she dies from the wounds, but not before killing her father.

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That's cool. In mine, her father held her sister hostage, I talked him down (Put the fear of God in him) and Miranda sent him right through a window to his demise. Kai Lang was nowhere in sigh. I guess I beat him there?

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Yeah, I talked her dad down, but then Miranda blasted him through the window. On the last video log that Miranda records, the camera shows Kai Leng drop in on her. She dies right after killing Henry Lawson, but not before putting a tracking device on Kai Leng.

I did an N7 mission to save the communications outpost before going to Sanctuary, that could be why.

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[Great Rumbler]

In that scene

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I believe whether Miranda dies or survives the attack is tied to whether you got her loyalty in ME2.

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[Mr. Gundam]

In that scene

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I believe whether Miranda dies or survives the attack is tied to whether you got her loyalty in ME2.

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She was loyal to me in ME2. The only character I didn't get loyalty from in ME2 was Samara.

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[MCD]

You have to be nice with her at the citadel as in give her what she want.

[Mr. Gundam]

You have to be nice with her at the citadel as in give her what she want.

I gave her access to Spectre shit. I did tell her we weren't together anymore. Probably did it.

[Great Rumbler]

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[MyNameIsMethodis]

that was the worst last 5 hours of a video game i ever played and a big bloody jizz in the face to fans of the serious at the end

[Mr. Gundam]

We are aware that there are concerns about a recent post from this account regarding the ending of the game. In this post it was stated that at this time we do not have plans to change the ending.

We would like to clarify that we are actively and seriously taking all player feedback into consideration and have ruled nothing out. At this time we are still collecting and considering your feedback and have not made a decision regarding requests to change the ending.

Your feedback and opinions are of the utmost importance to us. We apologize for any confusion this has caused. Our top priority regarding this discussion is to keep communication with you, our loyal fans, open and productive.

Holy shit.

[Great Rumbler]

lmao

[Mr. Gundam]

I'm sorry, but it's Bioware's game. This crazy ass internet fanboy entitlement complex is just too fucking much.

[Great Rumbler]

Nah, Bioware deserves a swift kick to the posterior.

And the only way to get even the smallest thing done in this world is to yell as loud as you can for as long as you can.

[Great Rumbler]

It's because I care, Wrath.

[MrAngryFace]

finished it today- ending was fine

[MCD]

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[Great Rumbler]

I will say this, however, in spite of how miffed I am at the ending [and I quite miffed about], watching all the angry reactions and FTC complaints have been highly enjoyable. If I wasn't a Mass Effect fan, this would be like Christmas morning every day.

[MrAngryFace]

Poor Marauder Shields

[Great Rumbler]

Poor Marauder Shields

Good night, sweet prince. You were too beautiful for this world. :'(

[MCD]

So what's everyone thought on EDI? I thought she sucked. Did we really need her as a playable character? Fucking Bioware and their shitty fanservice.

[tiesto]

Off to go meet with the Quarians... I just said "fuck it" with waiting for the patch to the Hanar Diplomat quest. Ahh well.

[demi]

I'm sorry, but it's Bioware's game. This crazy ass internet fanboy entitlement complex is just too fucking much.

Yes it is Bioware's game, people are also allowed to call it a piece of shit garbage ending, though. I'm surprised you are taking this stance. Isn't it common for libruls to complain and whine until you get your way?

And knowing this is how it ends, can impact whether people will bother with the next turd they shit out (both MMO and Single Player), considering their used to be high pedigree for storytelling.

[tiesto]

I've been reading that people prefer ME2 to 3... honestly I think 3 is the best game in the series so far... seems like the ending makes everyone retroactively hate the rest of the game or something. Can't wait to see how awful it is myself.

[demi]

It's like chasing a sexy girl you met on OKCupid then finding out she's fatter than a blimp.



Ok bad example for tiesto

[Stoney Mason]

I've been reading that people prefer ME2 to 3... honestly I think 3 is the best game in the series so far... seems like the ending makes everyone retroactively hate the rest of the game or something. Can't wait to see how awful it is myself.

I prefer 2 to 3 mainly because I liked the concept and theme of 2 more but its definitely close. ME 3 starts slow. Picks up. slows down again in the middle. And picks up again strongly down the tail stretch. (Excluding how somebody feels about the ending) And certainly on a pure gameplay level 3 (Especially combat wise) is the better game.

[Great Rumbler]

seems like the ending makes everyone retroactively hate the rest of the game or something.

I would have given the edge to ME2 even before I got to the ending. Overall, ME3 does some things better and ME2 does some things better.

[MrAngryFace]

Yup

[fistfulofmetal]

There's other stuff that is wrong with ME3. The entire galactic readiness system is terrible, the "side missions" are  boring. a lot of the emotional hooks with the kid are preeeeetty bad as well.

there are good things. gameplay and combat is pretty fun and the moments with characters is really good.

but as an overall package this just isnt as good as ME2 IMO.

[Great Rumbler]

I think ME2 also struck a good balance, tone-wise, between the galaxy being in peril and going on cool space adventures. ME3 is pretty much just totally grim all around, unless you're mucking around finding artifacts for some merchant.

[Stoney Mason]

2 is a more fun game conceptually. Yeah its a suicide mission but its a suicide mission in the way a good action movie like the Dirty Dozen is.


3 is more a straight war movie thing. I think they handle that well but just on a personal level I like The Dirty Dozen concept more. I really bought in on 2.


The first game is sort of you are a space detective.
The second game is the dirty dozen.

The first two are definitely lighter in tone by comparison which I certainly could see appealing more to some people.

All that being said I definitely like 3. A lot. This isn't a case of Dragon Age 2 for me. Although certainly ME 3 has its flaws. The sidequests suck. The readiness system sucks. The planet scanning for me personally is actually worse than in 2 because the concept behind it is so boring.

Because 3 is so concerned with the war tone thing it doesn't have the space for really fun stuff like this, that gives the Mass Effect universe character

[Mr. Gundam]

I'm sorry, but it's Bioware's game. This crazy ass internet fanboy entitlement complex is just too fucking much.

Yes it is Bioware's game, people are also allowed to call it a piece of shit garbage ending, though. I'm surprised you are taking this stance. Isn't it common for libruls to complain and whine until you get your way?

And knowing this is how it ends, can impact whether people will bother with the next turd they shit out (both MMO and Single Player), considering their used to be high pedigree for storytelling.

Not liking an ending and letting people know it by not buying future titles makes sense, but FTC complaints? Really? It's a game, I could see it with politics where you mobilize and demand change, but a videogame? Have we had fan campaigns in the past demanding directors change the endings to films? It's kind of surreal for this much energy and vitrol devoted to a media property. Makes me scratch my head and laugh.

[fistfulofmetal]

in regard to FTC complaint:

there are a lot of very specific statements as to the content we would expect in ME3. A lot of comments as recent as a few months back. it's been shown that these comments were flat out lies.

When consumers are lied to about the content of the products they purchase isn't some form of official complaint warranted?

[Beezy]

I just beat this last night. Two did feel better overall, but ME3 isn't far behind it. The readiness system didn't affect me at all like the rest of you though. I just did all the side missions/quests and I was fine. Didn't pay any attention to it. And planet scanning/probing in this was so much quicker and easier than in 2. You guys must not remember how much of a time waster that shit was.

I do think the dream sequences with the kid were garbage and wish that they weren't in the game.

[Mr. Gundam]

I guess I'm not as invested in the whole experience as others. If people feel this strongly about being to lied to in regard to what you can and can't do in a game, I'm surprised no one did it with Fable and Molyneaux.

[Great Rumbler]

I think Molyneux got a [relative] pass on Fable because it was just one game, rather than the finale of a trilogy. There wasn't really any attachment to the game or its characters or its story.

[MrAngryFace]

its a fuckin videogame- getting upset sure whatever- petitions n shit? wtfgetagrip







*woulddoallthatandmoreforanewtechromancer

[Mr. Gundam]

Ah, so there is some selective butthurt fanboy entitlement going on.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall at Bioware.

[MCD]

It's not just a videogame anymore. It's ART.

[Stoney Mason]

Posting about your disappointment in a videogame on a forum. A-OK with me.

Filing complaints about it to the FTC. You've become an utter tool and jackass. On the same level as crazy people who write into the FCC about seeing boobies on your TV.


Or as I like to say. That's some crazy white people shit right there.

[maxy]

EA should force Bioware to change the ending,$10 Online Proper Ending Pass

expiration time = one year

[cool breeze]

I don't even know what the ftc complaint is about.  is it the dlc character? or is it the ending?

and re: ME2 vs ME3

I thought Mass Effect 2 is a much better game.  Where Mass Effect 3 edges out is in the combat (mechanics, combat levels, weapon/power customization).  But ME3 is all shooter now and it's not the reason I was into ME1 or ME2; it actually makes me go back and appreciate ME1 more.  I like shooters and still enjoyed it as one, but not as much as other third person shooters that I'm comparing it to now.

[tiesto]

I thought ME2 just felt so fragmented, and the rounding up troops/solving their personal issues didn't work for me. Reminded me somehow of FF6 WoR for whatever reason. ME3 feels a lot more grandiose, like you are actually doing stuff with consequence in it. I also prefer the areas in ME3, they seem a lot nicer to look at and less linear corridors with conveniently-placed stuff to cover behind like in 2.

[Great Rumbler]

I don't even know what the ftc complaint is about.  is it the dlc character? or is it the ending?

Basically that Bioware people talked endlessly about the ending being all about player choice and each person would get a different kind of ending based on their decisions in all three games and blahblahblah.

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ME3 felt like I was just cleaning up everyone's shit.  "oh we'll help you fight off the reapers...if you do this"

it's not so different from ME2, but that's helping a person and not an entire race who'd be killed anyway. like

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Turians:  We'll help you save Earth if you get the Krogan to save our world

wait, then I'd just have fragmented turian and krogan forces.  fuck you assholes.  except garrus you all are weak and needed the Korgan to kill bugs.  I'll take teh entire Krogan fleet to earth.

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[Stoney Mason]

I thought ME2 just felt so fragmented, and the rounding up troops/solving their personal issues didn't work for me. Reminded me somehow of FF6 WoR for whatever reason. ME3 feels a lot more grandiose, like you are actually doing stuff with consequence in it. I also prefer the areas in ME3, they seem a lot nicer to look at and less linear corridors with conveniently-placed stuff to cover behind like in 2.

For some people its a divide between motivation/story/immersion and the actual gameplay experience. I'm somewhere in the middle there. Like I said, the moment to moment gameplay is far better in 3. The motivation is weaker in some cases for doing what you are doing. It's valid to consider both in a game as story heavy as Mass Effect. That being said I was talking to somebody on my friends list yesterday and they could have cared less about the story stuff. They just liked that the actual gameplay mechanics were better in the combat situations. So you have people all down that line.

I always say story only matters in a very few specific genres for me. RPG's, Long  open world games. There are probably more but those two immediately spring to mind.

[Stoney Mason]

ME3 felt like I was just cleaning up everyone's shit.  "oh we'll help you fight off the reapers...if you do this"

it's not so different from ME2, but that's helping a person and not an entire race who'd be killed anyway. like

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Turians:  We'll help you save Earth if you get the Krogan to save our world

wait, then I'd just have fragmented turian and krogan forces.  fuck you assholes.  except garrus you all are weak and needed the Korgan to kill bugs.  I'll take teh entire Krogan fleet to earth.

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The difference for me was I felt like I was finishing off important story arcs and situations that have been there all along. It made sense for me to be doing some of this stuff at least for me in regards to a galactic war and more importantly I wanted to do it.

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(Genophage, Geth versus Quarians for example)

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Now the side missions where I overhear some random dude and then go scan a planet to find something. That's weak. But the actual real missions and sidequests I found compelling for the most part.

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I liked all that.  My problem had more to do with how it was all established.  You have the reapers tearing shit up for what feels like weeks and somehow puny forces fend them off.  I would've rather had what is the beginning of Mass Effect 3 be the second half.  It's like they couldn't commit to selling the war without sacrificing planet scanning and dumb stuff.  Like the N7 missions and how Hackett is couldn't send another deal with those situations.

[tiesto]

Do the Rachni Queen, Tuchanka BOMBA, Grissom Academy and Prothean things count as side quests? If so, those are awesome and some of the best in the series. Much better than ME2's N7 missions or ME1's mindless sidequests. Planet scanning fetch quests in ME3 are pretty lame though. At least there's no "collect 10 wolf pelts" in the game like most other western RPGs though.

[Stoney Mason]

Do the Rachni Queen, Tuchanka BOMBA, Grissom Academy and Prothean things count as side quests? If so, those are awesome and some of the best in the series. Much better than ME2's N7 missions or ME1's mindless sidequests. Planet scanning fetch quests in ME3 are pretty lame though. At least there's no "collect 10 wolf pelts" in the game like most other western RPGs though.

That's kinda my issue. Its fine to criticize the flaws of ME 3. They should be. But people have a tendency to remember past games in sort of a nostalgia way.  (not aimed at linkzg) They forgot some of the bullshit that was in the prior games not out of malice but just because its not fresh in their memory like ME 3 is.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

finished the game

Bioware writers should drink arsenic. Worst ending to a once-promising trilogy since the Matrix Revolutions.

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I'm fine with Shepard dying, I'm fine with the ME relays being destroyed. What I can't stand is the total non-sequitur conclusion to everything that's happened in 3 full games. What did the War Readiness accomplish? Why did I do ANY of this? It's just deus ex machina bullshit. And fuck starchild. This has nothing to do with wanting a "happy" ending or entitlement, and everything to do with wanting an ending that makes sense within the Mass Effect universe.

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tl;dr: Skip 1, play 2, skip 3

[Mr. Gundam]

finished the game

Bioware writers should drink arsenic. Worst ending to a once-promising trilogy since the Matrix Revolutions.

There is a Matrix trilogy?

[Trent Dole]

finished the game

Bioware writers should drink arsenic. Worst ending to a once-promising trilogy since the Matrix Revolutions.

There is a Matrix trilogy?

No, no there is not. There's only one Matrix movie.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

finished the game

Bioware writers should drink arsenic. Worst ending to a once-promising trilogy since the Matrix Revolutions.

There is a Matrix trilogy?

No, no there is not. There's only one Matrix movie.

And there is only one ME game

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ME2

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[Trent Dole]

Hey, ME1 was cool at the time, though if I tried to play it now I'd be annoyed by the elevator loading sequences and such. Would totally let the council die again, fuck them for not listening to me!

[fistfulofmetal]

I only played ME1 because I played ME2.

[Mr. Gundam]

Just beat the game.

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Why hello thar, Battlestar Galactica ending! They talked about the Reapers being the balance in the galaxy in ME2 so the whole God-like creature keeping everything in check wasn't totally out of left field. Are people pissed because something like God is in the game, just like they were pissed with it in BSG? Stargazer Buzz Aldrin talking to a kid was stupid, though.

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[Great Rumbler]

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I would have definitely preferred a celebration on earth where you can talk to all your squad mates and the major characters, that would have been a perfect ending.

Otherwise, I understand the endings and sure it might not have been what you expected, but it didn't have to be. I thought everything was perfect up until that point. Emotional goodbyes to my favorite characters before what is most definitely the final mission. It was sad, touching and ultimately satisfying. If it ended with Shepard and Anderson watching over the crucible as it destroys all reapers it would have been the best ending possible. But hey people wanted more star wars than 2001 I guess. But demanding a change is on the other level of wah wah wah.

I did hate the after credits ending, with the dude telling stories about Shepard. That was the most generic cliche bullshit I can think of. It doesn't really change anything about the entirety of the ending though.

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I did like ME2 more, mostly cause of the dark tone and squad members.

2001's ending is fine, but it doesn't belong in place of the last five minutes of Star Wars.

[Great Rumbler]

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And it's not even about the ending trying to be more "high-minded" or "bitter-sweet," though let's be honest here, the ME3 ending barely even qualifies as bittersweet. No, I can deal with all that just fine. It's that nothing about the ending even remotely holds up to scrutiny. Too many plot holes, too many contradictions, too many changed premises, too little variety, virtually nothing of substance to hold onto, and a complete disconnect from all the choices I made throughout the previous 100+ hours.

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[Howard Alan Treesong]

I don't want a happy ending, I want a COMPREHENSIBLE ending that is related, somehow, to the preceding 90-120 hours of gameplay.

[Mr. Gundam]

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Yep, they totally pulled a BSG ending. God was behind it all, infinite cycle of sentient life creating artificial life that will wipe it out, destroy technology, etc. One gripe I've got is the crashlanded Normandy at the end. How the fuck were Garrus and Liara there? They were my team for the final assault in London... huh? That makes no sense, but not enough for me to rage or get in touch with the FTC.

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[fistfulofmetal]

my official stance on the whole "bioware changing the ending" thing is that i think they shouldn't because nothing they do will change the fact that the ending was what it was and anything they try to do will be just as rushed and shitty

but part of me wants to see the craziness that would come out from them patching the game with a completely new ending sequence. it would probably just be the final 10 minutes where control is pretty much remove from you.