Cyberpunk 2077 - We're finally Next-Gen!

[toku]

nobody reading a MMaRsu post that long my g

[MMaRsu]

nobody reading a MMaRsu post that long my g

Eyy good to see you bless up toku 

It's a pretty long post but cmon man this is straight up horseshit

[kingv]

There is a fair amount of dumb icon “activities” in Witcher 3, but you can skip all of them. I doubt I did even 10% of the side quests that are just “free prisoners here” or “treasure stash” and still spent 80 hours in the game.

[MMaRsu]

Now if we are talking about world building and immersion, i fully agree that I feel more immersed in RDR2's world than Witcher 3's world.

[Nintex]

Both the 2 recent AC's and TW3 have a ton of padding that you can skip but also some really awesome quests that you could miss out on.
What I prefer in those games over the previous AC games is that all these activities are relatively short and can be done along the way.
You don't have to deviate far from the main path to hit up a few beasts, collect some loot and move to the next main objective.

There's room for improvement sure, I hope Cyberpunk 2077 is able to mix things up in this regard.
I have some ideas of how to remedy the marker games. We're not there yet but games like AC, BoTW and TW3 show great improvement over the previous batch of 'busywork' games.
Having choices like in the new AC's/TW3 certainly helps. But also making travel and discovery itself more interesting like Nintendo did with BOTW.

I must say though that I like most of the side activities in Odyssey. Planning mass murder in the forts can be great fun.

[MMaRsu]

Im not saying I dont find the forts fun, but it's exactly the same since FarCry 3

[Raist]

TW3 isn't exactly much more of an RPG than Horizon is dude - it's basically a lite A-RPG.

Character progression is entirely limited to a bunch of skills with hard restrictions on hw many you can actually use, and while TW3's trees count more skills, they're also full of useless shite, or stuff that shouldn't even be a skill eating up a slot to begin with. Like a goddamn basic strong attack or the "ability" to use a crossbow

And then the whole "increase basic thing #4 by 5%". Again, nothing particularly deep or interesting, just a bunch of repetitive minmaxing crap.
Then again the combat gameplay is utter trash so who cares really.

We'll see if they've corrected the course with 2077. Presumably they have, but CDPR is just as bad as Ubi and co when it comes to overhyping the depth of their game - remember the "deep tactical combat" claims in their initial TW3 gameplay demos? Lolz.

[MMaRsu]

TW3 isn't exactly much more of an RPG than Horizon is

 

Horizon with it's 22 sidequests?  cmon man

Horizon is an action game, with some slight rpg influences.

Listen, I really loved Horizon, but it ain't an rpg.

[bork]

TW3 isn't exactly much more of an RPG than Horizon is

 

Horizon with it's 22 sidequests?  cmon man

Horizon is an action game, with some slight rpg influences.

Listen, I really loved Horizon, but it ain't an rpg.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon_Zero_Dawn
Horizon Zero Dawn is an action role-playing game developed by Guerrilla Games and published by Sony Interactive Entertainment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Witcher_3:_Wild_Hunt
The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt[a] is a 2015 action role-playing game developed and published by CD Projekt and based on The Witcher series of fantasy novels by Andrzej Sapkowski.

[OnlyRegret]

There is a fair amount of dumb icon “activities” in Witcher 3, but you can skip all of them. I doubt I did even 10% of the side quests that are just “free prisoners here” or “treasure stash” and still spent 80 hours in the game.

A bunch you literally just happen upon, comparing it to other shit is 

[Raist]

TW3 isn't exactly much more of an RPG than Horizon is

 

Horizon with it's 22 sidequests?  cmon man

Horizon is an action game, with some slight rpg influences.

Listen, I really loved Horizon, but it ain't an rpg.

Yes, cause unlike CDPR, GG decided to make a focused game and not revel in drenching their game in a lot of useless padding shite.
Still has a lot more diversity than TW3 on many levels.

But since you found the whole "omg Geralt plz halp an evil monster is attacking our village btw did you know that I lost my cat when I was 4yo?  :'(" repeated ad nauseum to be great game design and powerful writing, I guess we're gonna disagree anyway.

[Nintex]

Yup, the ratio Bloody Baron Quest / "HELP WITCHER I LOST MY BROOM" Quest is about 1:20.

I think that developers are worried that these games are too short or there's not enough to do in the game.
BOTW with its negative space design philosophy was more courageous in that regard.

[HardcoreRetro]

This was the best part of Horizon.

[MMaRsu]

How does Horizon have more diversity? Are you actually gonna back this up with some examples or do I have to wait till I grow.mushrooms out of my ass?

[Human Snorenado]

This discussion has become exceedingly stupid, even for bire gaming side standards. And I get it, sometimes when you just don't like something you say crazy shit, Raist. I mean fuck, look at my posts about Kojima "games."

[Don Rumata]

Yes, cause unlike CDPR, GG decided to make a focused game and not revel in drenching their game in a lot of useless padding shite.

Oh wait, you were serious...

[MMaRsu]

Yup, the ratio Bloody Baron Quest / "HELP WITCHER I LOST MY BROOM" Quest is about 1:20.

I think that developers are worried that these games are too short or there's not enough to do in the game.
BOTW with its negative space design philosophy was more courageous in that regard.

I hated the Bloody Baron quest. Fuck that drunk piece of shit. Wish I could have just killed him and have it be done. Goddamn baby revival shit fuck off

[Rufus]

Obsessively clearing every icon off the map because you don't want it to end. 

[Don Rumata]

It just adds to the feel of the world for me;  I don't think Witcher 3 is a prime example of this necessarily but it's pretty good with it.

Skyrim is my prime example;   you can boil down almost all of the side-quests into categories (most are just "fetch me something" quests) but there's JUST enough variety to make it feel like a living world more than most games to me.    I still randomly find NPCs I never bothered to talk to who have some little thing for me to do.

Didn't skyrim had that random generator, for its side quests? I remember them talking about infinite quests, at the time.

[Pissy F Benny]

I like games with tons of pointless side quests mixed in with the more meaningful ones.

Actually playing a game with any sense of urgency

Faffing about for 130 hours

I do like it when a game is screaming ‘THE END IS NIGH WE MUST ACT QUICKLY  ’ in the main quest


But is also throwing a dozen plus hours worth of side quests at you like 

[Rufus]

Didn't skyrim had that random generator, for its side quests? I remember them talking about infinite quests, at the time.

Yeah, radiant quests. There's a separate category for them in the quest log, so that you can collapse it and forget about them entirely. Truly infinite, but boring as anything.

[Svejk]

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We’re thrilled to work with CD PROJEKT RED to bring its eagerly-anticipated game to GeForce NOW. And while you wait, be sure to check out CDPR’s critically acclaimed Witcher series, also available to play through GeForce NOW.

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https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/gfn-announcements/22/343462/cyberpunk-2077-coming-to-geforce-now/

[bork]

https://twitter.com/CyberpunkGame/status/1231961469669068800

[Svejk]

 . Shouldn't that apply for anyone who gets it on any platform??  PS4 to PS5, etc.?

[nachobro]

sony allowing free upgrades

[Svejk]

sony allowing free upgrades

Yeah not holding my breath.. they did it for Journey and Hotline Miami though, so who knows.
...
I think what's not computing for me, is the more blurry line of jumping to "next gen"... Like, how much more will the upgrade have over current gen, other than textures, lighting effects and so forth?  Will it be a significant difference where it will change the gameplay kinda like Shadow of Mordor was (between PS3 and PS4; PS3 not having the nemesis system)? ...  And for the most likely inevitable BC of PS4.. will it just be an enhanced PS4 version, or the "upgraded" version?... Just seems weird and doesn't make sense to my feeble mind..

[nachobro]

raytracing and the speed of ssd are both really impressive improvements, more the ssd stuff imo. ssd has been awesome on pc and i imagine on a console it should be just as great if not better. other graphics stuff i dunno, just because games already look really good but i feel like i say that every generation and i'm proven wrong so wtf do i know?

[Svejk]

On sale for $50 if you pre-order on Amazon right now. (PS4, XB, PC)

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07T8BP118?creativeASIN=B07T8BP118&linkCode=w61&imprToken=l58oB44ovkm8tfHgksd32w&slotNum=12&ascsubtag=ba825e5aef6b3815c37c4a58b8c68348f9922348&tag=kinjadeals-20

[recursivelyenumerable]

https://twitter.com/neet_telemachus/status/1258427302226116612
https://twitter.com/neet_telemachus/status/1258484582699204609
https://twitter.com/cabbagebrains/status/1258450845651267586

welcome to the 2020s

[toku]

it's not a deep fake if it's real shallow

[Don Rumata]

https://twitter.com/neet_telemachus/status/1258427302226116612
https://twitter.com/neet_telemachus/status/1258484582699204609
https://twitter.com/cabbagebrains/status/1258450845651267586

welcome to the 2020s

Lesson: Do what you want and ignore the lunatics.

[recursivelyenumerable]

how is that the lesson

[Don Rumata]

how is that the lesson

People who are looking to complain will complain anyway.
Which in the gaming/nerd space is a common occurrence.

So in CDP's case, they should add options based on what they want to do from a creative standpoint, rather than reacting to people complaining on Twitter, 4chan or whatever else.
The mass market doesn't care anyway.

I think it's cool they added all the customization, personally, but just asking yourself who's going to be upset (when it comes to these internet groups) is a lost battle.

EDIT: to explain better; the idea that "this pleases everyone" is flawed because for so many in places like 4chan, the goal is about being a contrarian, more than this or that (bigoted) ideal itself.
But of course in the privacy of their home, everyone's still going to buy the next big AAA rpg from CDP, so it doesn't matter.

[Great Rumbler]

https://twitter.com/neet_telemachus/status/1258427302226116612

[recursivelyenumerable]

how is that the lesson

People who are looking to complain will complain anyway.
Which in the gaming/nerd space is a common occurrence.

So in CDP's case, they should add options based on what they want to do from a creative standpoint, rather than reacting to people complaining on Twitter, 4chan or whatever else.
The mass market doesn't care anyway.

I think it's cool they added all the customization, personally, but just asking yourself who's going to be upset (when it comes to these internet groups) is a lost battle.

sorry but wrong. the real lesson is that only through passionate struggle between opposing social forces can we reach a higher synthesis, thats dialectic baby

[Nintex]

This was the plan all along if you read any of the dev interviews.

It was also their defense for the 'trans-phobic accusations'.
In their game you could be whoever you want to be and look however you want to look, because humanity is at a point where body augmentation is common place.
They didn't over correct, this was part of their game design.

[Don Rumata]

how is that the lesson

People who are looking to complain will complain anyway.
Which in the gaming/nerd space is a common occurrence.

So in CDP's case, they should add options based on what they want to do from a creative standpoint, rather than reacting to people complaining on Twitter, 4chan or whatever else.
The mass market doesn't care anyway.

I think it's cool they added all the customization, personally, but just asking yourself who's going to be upset (when it comes to these internet groups) is a lost battle.

sorry but wrong. the real lesson is that only through passionate struggle between opposing social forces can we reach a higher synthesis, thats dialectic baby

Why do you see extreme behaviour (often marred by mental illness), as a distillation of more reasonable, moderate postions? I guess that's where i really disagree.
It's not a linear spectrum from one end, all the way to the other.
I don't see 4chan and whatever's on the other end, as two opposing ideologies, is what i'm saying.

[nachobro]

so it was delayed to add an ass slider? worth it 100%

[recursivelyenumerable]

Why do you see extreme behaviour (often marred by mental illness), as a distillation of more reasonable, moderate postions? I guess that's where i really disagree.
It's not a linear spectrum from one end, all the way to the other.

agreed it's not a line it's a Togliatti surface.

[remy]

so it was delayed to add an ass slider? worth it 100%

cock/clit slider *

[Don Rumata]

Why do you see extreme behaviour (often marred by mental illness), as a distillation of more reasonable, moderate postions? I guess that's where i really disagree.
It's not a linear spectrum from one end, all the way to the other.

agreed it's not a line it's a Togliatti surface.
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That's a 2030 Pokemon design.

[Trent Dole]

The mix and match approach to gender here is Saints Row letting you pick any voice for anyone and their sex appeal slider taken to the next level.

[kingv]

Newhalf Life 3!

[Human Snorenado]

Can't wait until my character has huge anime tiddies and a magnum dong

[Svejk]

whatever this means exactly....

[Pissy F Benny]

just release it

[Human Snorenado]

just release it

Don't worry, the pandemic will still be going on when it finally comes out.

[Nintex]

awwwww yiss. I need this game 

[Yeti]

just release it

Don't worry, the pandemic will still be going on when it finally comes out.

Yeah but we’ll all be forced back to work anyway

[Human Snorenado]

Some of us haven't stopped working!

[chronovore]

Some of us haven't stopped working!

[Ghoul]

Rumours I have heard that the old demo that was played behind the scenes etc is going to be out for download. We shall see, I hope so, couple days and we'll find out!

[MMaRsu]

like, a demo? 😱

[thisismyusername]

Rumours I have heard that the old demo that was played behind the scenes etc is going to be out for download. We shall see, I hope so, couple days and we'll find out!

That'd be really ballsy, demos generally are vertical slices that get outdated quickly. Are they really that confident that their performance on PC and the gameplay hasn't changed in the meanwhile?

[Svejk]

I'd be down for a 70GB demo   

I'm highly skeptical, but that would be dope... I wish they'd at least do what Volition did for the Row, and have the character creator available to download ahead of time to have your character prepped and ready to jump into the full game when it drops....
  This should be mandatory for all games that have a robust character creator.

[thisismyusername]

Don't get me wrong, I'm for the demo. I just think it'll give the wrong impression/false impressions since they changed the character creator from that closed-door to now (and have noted it in public). What all does that demo represent in the final besides Night City and the look/art direction? That's what I'm more getting at.

[Don Rumata]

I kind of don't see the point.
Everyone and their mother will buy this game regardless (unless it gets destroyed in reviews, but i doubt it).
What can a demo accomplish? Making you play the (likely) weakest part of the game (combat), without the added context created by the role playing experience of playing your own save?

[Ghoul]

Yeah I'm not sure about a demo either, it's just something that has been said a few times so thought I'd say it's possible. We'll see what they come out with in a few days I guess.

I would really like to get one just so I could play it but eh we shall see....

[Svejk]

Even though I'll be playing this on my OG PS4 in all it's glorious shittiness, I'm gonna have that shit levitating with the fans brrrrr'ing so loud...  launch glitches galore...  And I'm gonna love every goddam second of it.  So ready for this game!!!
 

[Ghoul]

I'm looking at my PC atm and thinking hmmm probably should switch out my ryzen 2600x to the 3900x