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Re: Apple Basic Bitch Thread
« Reply #420 on: November 16, 2020, 09:33:33 AM »
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25095438

Apple, you're fucking up.

Being addressed. Bottom paragraph on this article updated: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT202491

Which part? The overly-restrictive software installation policies of macOS aren't the issue (this time), it's the need to phone home (with the privacy-invasive logging that implies, along with sending the app developer's ID over plaintext so snoopers can see what app you open every time you open it) and hanging apps on opening if Apple is down or the connection is bad.

It's a bad idea implemented even worse.

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In addition, over the the next year we will introduce several changes to our security checks:

A new encrypted protocol for Developer ID certificate revocation checks
Strong protections against server failure
A new preference for users to opt out of these security protections

I mean, good, but this is table stakes. Launching without these should have gotten someone (or multiple people) fired.

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We have never combined data from these checks with information about Apple users or their devices. We do not use data from these checks to learn what individual users are launching or running on their devices.

Pinky promise!

The NSA, on the other hand...
« Last Edit: November 16, 2020, 09:38:41 AM by Tasty »

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Re: Apple Basic Bitch Thread
« Reply #421 on: November 16, 2020, 09:38:25 AM »
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25095438

Apple, you're fucking up.

Being addressed. Bottom paragraph on this article updated: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT202491

Which part? The overly-restrictive software installation policies of macOS aren't the issue (this time), it's the need to phone home (with the privacy-invasive logging that implies, along with sending the app developer's ID over plaintext so snoopers can see what app you open every time you open it) and hanging apps on opening if Apple is down or the connection is bad.

It's a bad idea implemented even worse.

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In addition, over the the next year we will introduce several changes to our security checks:

* A new encrypted protocol for Developer ID certificate revocation checks
* Strong protections against server failure
* A new preference for users to opt out of these security protections

Also, the dev ID doesn't show which app you open, just who developed the app.
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Tasty

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Re: Apple Basic Bitch Thread
« Reply #422 on: November 16, 2020, 09:39:01 AM »
Responded above.

Tasty

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Re: Apple Basic Bitch Thread
« Reply #423 on: November 16, 2020, 09:39:33 AM »
Also, love the timeline on these improvements.

November 2021. Yay.

Tasty

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Re: Apple Basic Bitch Thread
« Reply #424 on: November 16, 2020, 09:40:39 AM »
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Also, the dev ID doesn't show which app you open, just who developed the app.

That's still problematic for a vast swath of apps, which are the only app by their developer. It's not defensible because it's less bad.

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Re: Apple Basic Bitch Thread
« Reply #425 on: November 16, 2020, 10:06:23 AM »
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Also, the dev ID doesn't show which app you open, just who developed the app.

That's still problematic for a vast swath of apps, which are the only app by their developer. It's not defensible because it's less bad.

Sure. I just wanted to make sure the semantics were correct. Hehe
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Re: Apple Basic Bitch Thread
« Reply #426 on: November 16, 2020, 10:12:08 AM »
I don't understand the use of HTTP... the excuse that dev uses is "well it's a cert verification service, so how can it use HTTPS?" like it's some philosoraptor conundrum.. no it's not lol

You already have keychain or whatever storing your trusted root level certs... why in the world wouldn't you just hit OCSP with HTTPS and rely on the existing security architecture there?  The fuck?


Yeah that part has people scratching their head. It was probably just easier/faster to do over HTTP.

Like a lot of parts of the capitalist machine, Apple's claims of focusing on privacy are more marketing-driven than development-driven.

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Re: Apple Basic Bitch Thread
« Reply #427 on: March 30, 2022, 09:59:04 PM »
https://80.lv/articles/apple-would-be-forced-to-allow-alternative-app-stores-and-sideloading/

Not sure if this is better here, or in the Apple vs. EPIC thread.

Not only will separate stores be forced by the EU, but it looks like mandatory support for an Apple payment method must also be removed? That seems wild.

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Re: Apple Basic Bitch Thread
« Reply #428 on: March 31, 2022, 01:25:11 PM »
europeans use iphones?

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Re: Apple Basic Bitch Thread
« Reply #429 on: April 03, 2022, 04:52:48 PM »
I bought an Apple product.
:stahp

iPad Mini.  First Apple product purchase in six+ years.  Wanted a smaller tablet and this is the only good one.  Glad there are browsers like Brave, with full Adblock built-in, or this would be going right back.
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Re: Apple Basic Bitch Thread
« Reply #430 on: June 17, 2022, 09:25:26 PM »
I'm selling that Apple product.  :doge

Did not like iOS and found myself just using my Android phone more instead.  Got a Surface Go 3 to replace it.
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Re: Apple Basic Bitch Thread
« Reply #431 on: June 18, 2022, 09:09:29 AM »
I pad mini is the worst

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Re: Apple Basic Bitch Thread
« Reply #432 on: June 19, 2022, 12:19:11 PM »
I pad mini is the worst

Jelly scrolling  :yuck
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Re: Apple Basic Bitch Thread
« Reply #433 on: June 19, 2022, 12:21:04 PM »
Returning the Go 3 now, but only because Amazon and Best Buy are dumping Surface Pro 7+ i5/8gb ram models for $699 with the type cover included this weekend.  Somehow came out to be $30 cheaper than the Go 3 with type cover.
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Re: Apple Basic Bitch Thread
« Reply #434 on: June 19, 2022, 03:03:48 PM »
Weren't you trying to buy a smaller tablet though?
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Re: Apple Basic Bitch Thread
« Reply #435 on: June 19, 2022, 03:54:40 PM »
Weren't you trying to buy a smaller tablet though?

Yes- and also I didn't want to spend this much when I all wanted a tablet for was for streaming video and using the web-  Just wanted to have extensions and adblock for the latter.  On the drive to return the Go 3, I thought about how fucking stupid this all was and canceled the Best Buy order.  Then I went home and checked to see if my firm's Lenovo discounts applied to the new 10" Chromebook Duet 3- and it did, so ordered that instead and got it for $300 after shipping and tax.  Much better.

I'm glad I tried the Go 3 out though.  It was a hassle-free full return so no big deal. 
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Re: Apple Basic Bitch Thread
« Reply #436 on: June 19, 2022, 11:39:34 PM »
I'm interested to hear how that performs. Not really in the market for a tablet, but could be tempted by the right price/performance.
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Re: Apple Basic Bitch Thread
« Reply #437 on: June 21, 2022, 12:02:52 PM »
I'm interested to hear how that performs. Not really in the market for a tablet, but could be tempted by the right price/performance.

Just got it- coming from the 2020 model, there's noticeable improvements.  The screen is a bit bigger and higher resolution (2K now versus 1080P), the bezels are a bit thinner, and there's now two USB-C ports on the left and right sides for charging and peripherals instead of just one.  The back cover (has a kickstand) and keyboard cover are also improved and feel like they're made of better, sturdier material.  The keyboard is more solid and better for typing on, although it's also heavier.  With both covers on, it's laptop-heavy, but they pop right off so no big deal- the magnets are also much better and stay on pretty well.  The older model's keyboard cover flopped open all the time.  But as soon as a smart folio cover is available for sale, I'll definitely pick one up, since I tend to only use the keyboard cover if I travel.  The back cover also has an opening that's for a stylus holder.  I saw some early reviews complaining that they didn't get one, but it was in the box, so dunno.  Apparently this uses some new standard for styluses and older ones don't work?  Dunno because I don't use them, but if one is for sale cheap enough, I'll probably give it a try.

I don't generally use an external display with tablets, but the first gen model had problems with anything over 1080P and would often run at 30hz.  This new version supposedly fixes this and works just fine up to 1440P at least- will definitely test this out.  Curious how it works on a 4K TV.  If I can get even 1080P/60hz, I'd be be fine with it since that would mean it could be used to play back streaming video on trips.

The setups on these things are so incredibly fast that it was ready to go in a couple of minutes- tried going to Youtube and the playback speed/switching to full-screen was faster, plus sites that had performance issues on the old model like Discord now run normally, so I'm pretty happy.  Definitely runs better with the newer Snapdragon processor upgrade from the older MediaTek one.  Battery life is supposed to have taken a hit from the original, but it's like 10+ hours instead of 12, so not a big deal.

This model only has 4GB of RAM and 64GB of storage space- there is an 8GB RAM model coming out in Europe, possibly with 128GB of space, but they haven't said anything about the States.  The previous model was also 4GB and I never really had a problem with it up until things got slow with the Chrome OS v100 update.  If people say that 8GB makes a huge difference, I might just give this model to my wife and buy another one (if they come out here), but for my uses, it probably won't matter much.  The storage space also doesn't bother me since I don't save anything locally- this is pretty much just used as a portable (desktop) Chrome Browser, with a couple of apps for streaming, and for that purpose, it's awesome. 
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