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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #300 on: December 19, 2012, 10:57:11 AM »
It's weird how much the video game thing has gained traction. You would have thought we learned our lesson about media scapegoating during the Tipper Gore years. But, I guess this will be a neverending conversation that will get dredged up every decade or so as media keeps evolving.

 

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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #301 on: December 19, 2012, 11:34:59 AM »
The further we are from the guy and the shooting, the more likely we are to generalize about what happened.  Since it's so disturbing to even think about, people want answers.  Since most people are dumb, they want dumb answers that they can comprehend.  Since they're impatient, they want a quick answer.  Video games are a good scapegoat...there are already stereotypes out there about the reclusive gamer.  The acts you perform in some games are violent.  And there's no one who can really speak out on behalf of people who play video games to hold the media accountable, aside from unorganized individuals.  It works on all levels...fast, simple, and a possible explanation for how the guy was so easily able to do what he did...he's been training for that moment with Call of Duty, of course!

A detailed story about how the kid's individual experiences may have lead to the moment might be perceived as sympathetic by most people.  It would take effort and time and research to actually provide some kind of semi-accurate context for what he did...and the person coming up with the story might have to concede some sympathy to the shooter, or maybe they find that some of the context lifts a tiny ounce of blame off the shooter's shoulders.  This is 100% unacceptable, irreconcilable, and incomprehensible for most people and pisses them off.  And people don't actually want real answers, they just want some simple bullshit to placate their minds and fast.  So, video games.  And guns.  Tighten some gun regulations, spend time shaming video games, aaaaaaaand we're clear.  until the next shooting.
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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #302 on: December 19, 2012, 12:49:20 PM »
It's funny to read some people who claim this has never happened before or that this event changes everything. Forgetting that this very thing happened 6 years ago ... but at an Amish school.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_school_shooting

The only thing stopping the body count from being higher was the size of the class and the killer's strange obsession with only killing the females.

McArdle mentions 'rushing the perp' as a valid strategy and although it seems laughable in wake of this tragedy, it did actually stop a school shooting in the past:

http://www.cnn.com/US/9805/21/school.shooting.pm.2/

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A 15-year-old Oregon boy is facing murder charges after allegedly opening fire on his classmates with a semiautomatic rifle, killing one student and wounding 23 others. Two bodies believed to be those of his parents were later found at his home.

Kipland P. Kinkel, a freshman at Thurston High School, was subdued at the scene by some of his classmates

Pretty sick/sad that both of these events occurred within our lifetimes and many people have already forgotten about them.


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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #303 on: December 19, 2012, 01:07:07 PM »
The killer played Dynasty Warriors and StarCraft. From what I understand there is no blood in DW, and SC is a professional sport in a country with one of the lowest gun crime levels in the world.

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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #304 on: December 19, 2012, 01:34:30 PM »
Reading the two posts above back to back all I thought of was "Zerg Rush"
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« Reply #305 on: December 19, 2012, 01:35:46 PM »
The killer played Dynasty Warriors and StarCraft. From what I understand there is no blood in DW, and SC is a professional sport in a country with one of the lowest gun crime levels in the world.

Are you talking about Lanza or Kinkel?
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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #306 on: December 19, 2012, 01:39:01 PM »
The killer played Dynasty Warriors and StarCraft. From what I understand there is no blood in DW, and SC is a professional sport in a country with one of the lowest gun crime levels in the world.

Are you talking about Lanza or Kinkel?

Lanza, who allegedly was a fan of both games
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« Reply #307 on: December 19, 2012, 01:39:52 PM »
WELL FUCK LETS BAN DYNASTY WARRIORS AND DECLARE WAR ON SOUTH KOREA
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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #308 on: December 19, 2012, 02:00:58 PM »
I wish he had played Hotline Miami just to see the media's reaction to Hotline Miami.
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« Reply #309 on: December 19, 2012, 02:02:54 PM »
Or Shin Megami Tensei/Persona. I'm still shocked Fox News hasn't latched on to that series.
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« Reply #310 on: December 19, 2012, 02:15:42 PM »
What if he was a Brony, would the media go around blaming this all on My Little Ponies?
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« Reply #311 on: December 19, 2012, 02:17:14 PM »
What if he was a Brony, would the media go around blaming this all on My Little Ponies?

They'd find a way to tie it into sexual deviancy and probably "violent S&M sex" or something.
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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #312 on: December 19, 2012, 03:21:51 PM »
What if he was a Brony, would the media go around blaming this all on My Little Ponies?

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« Reply #313 on: December 19, 2012, 03:24:09 PM »
What if he was a Brony, would the media go around blaming this all on My Little Ponies?


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« Reply #314 on: December 19, 2012, 03:31:34 PM »
Usually events like this trigger the opposite of a virtual ceasefire for me - they lead to media frenzies, which lead to tons of people posting stupid bullshit on the internet, which leads to me murdering fools in the digital realm left and right  :gun
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« Reply #315 on: December 19, 2012, 11:11:37 PM »
This video game blaming shit reminds me of how they blamed Linkin Park for the Columbine shootings back in the day...
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« Reply #316 on: December 19, 2012, 11:34:56 PM »
AK's sold out EVERYWHERE. literally. everywhere. gun broker sites 404ing. this is my local shop: http://www.adcofirearms.com/

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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #317 on: December 19, 2012, 11:49:12 PM »


That guy seriously does look like my evil twin.

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« Reply #318 on: December 19, 2012, 11:58:17 PM »
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Lieberman is a backstabbing little shit; there is NO FUCKING PATTERN that violent games cause violent behavior. If this was the case, GTA and Battlefront would have us all batshit crazy in the streets, tens of millions of new killers out there.

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« Reply #319 on: December 20, 2012, 12:01:22 AM »


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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #320 on: December 20, 2012, 09:01:37 AM »
The big shame of this is that instead of killing innocent children, Adam Lanza could have directed that energy into improving society and killing Pitbull.


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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #321 on: December 20, 2012, 09:08:07 AM »
sounds like the kid just had a bad day on ladder. never am i happier to live in a nampy pampy no guns society than after suffering through PvZ late game.

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« Reply #322 on: December 20, 2012, 09:30:36 AM »
I never pegged Drew as a Muslim sympathizer, but I did anticipate the false equivalencies.
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« Reply #323 on: December 20, 2012, 09:35:26 AM »
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« Reply #325 on: December 20, 2012, 11:43:32 AM »
http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/111237/buyers-guide-the-bushmaster-company#


A Buyer's Guide to The Bushmaster Company

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Testing out a Bushmaster BA-50 bolt action rifle. Ethan Miller/Getty Images News/Getty Images

Looking for a last-minute Christmas present for that special person on your list? How about Freedom Group, the maker of the Bushmaster rifle used in the shootings in Newtown, Connecticut? Cerberus Capital Management, a major New York private equity firm, announced today that it is putting its controlling stake in Freedom Group up for sale. The Cerberus executives are no squeamish liberals. Its founder and CEO, Stephen A. Feinberg, is an avid hunter. Its executives have contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars in recent years to Republican candidates, including Ben Quayle, whose father, the former vice president, serves on Cerberus' board. But apparently, the firm decided that the elementary-school massacre was just too large a blot on Freedom Group. It surely doesn't help that Feinberg's father lives in Newtown.

A sale under these circumstances presents a perfect investment opportunity. Herewith, then, is a helpful buyer's guide to some important features about Freedom Group, based on official company filings. In addition to Bushmaster, the company makes the storied Remington rifle and several other major brands. It sells more than 1 million rifles and shotguns per year. It employs 3,000 people and its manufacturing facilities are in upstate New York, Kentucky and Missouri; only the New York plant is unionized. In 2011, the company registered $775 million in sales -- still down from its pre-recession peak, but a $30 million increase over the year prior. Some other features to consider:

1. Suburban sprawl is a bummer. In its third quarter filing this year, the company warns investors that sales could be hurt in the years ahead by the resurgence in residential construction. "The development of rural property in many locations has curtailed or eliminated access to private and public lands previously available for hunting, and the continuation of the development of rural property could materially adversely affect our industry as well as our business and results of operations."

2. Men are as insecure as ever. On the upside, though, firearms makers such as Freedom Group have in recent years managed to offset the decline in demand from bona fide hunters by marketing military-style guns to men more interested in impressing their dears than tracking deer. The euphemism for this category is the "modern sporting rifle," and Freedom Group is all over it. From its 2011 annual report: "The Bushmaster and DPMS brands, established in 1973 and 1986, respectively, represent the largest and second largest designers and suppliers of modern sporting rifles, components and parts for the commercial market. Bushmaster was one of the first companies to introduce modern sporting rifles to the consumer market, a market that is growing faster than the general firearms industry." This shift away from the hunting market to the self-image market is what led Freedom Group to produce an ad campaign which casts buying the Bushmaster .223 as restoring one's "man card." Most unfortunately, the campaign includes one ad that defines "unmanliness" as being a man who "avoids eye contact with 5th graders."

3. Wal-Mart, baby. If you have a problem with Bentonville behemoth, you might want to stay away, because Wal-Mart's pretty central to the Freedom Group business model. From the third-quarter report: "Sales made to Wal-Mart accounted for approximately 13% of our total sales for both of the nine months ended September 30, 2012 and 2011, and 13% and 14% of our accounts receivable balance as of September 30, 2012 and December 31, 2011, respectively. Wal-Mart, together with another customer, accounted for approximately 17% and 21% of our accounts receivable balance as of September 30, 2012 and December 31, 2011, respectively. Our sales to Wal-Mart are generally not governed by a written long-term contract between the parties. In the event that Wal-Mart were to significantly reduce or terminate its purchases of firearms, ammunition and/or other products from us, our financial condition or results of operations and cash flows could be adversely affected." And indeed, this week Wal-Mart announced that it was removing the Bushmaster .223 from its shelves. Who knows how long this will last -- presumably, a few bribes could at least ease things south of the border -- but for now, it's a definite downer.

4. One word: bullets. You know how Gillette gets you on the razor blades more than the razors themselves? Firearms sales aren't much different. Guns need bullets, and luckily, Freedom Group is the dominant player in that market, racking up nearly as much in ammunition sales as it does from guns themselves. From the 2011 annual report: "We sold approximately 2.0 billion rounds of ammunition during the twelve months ended December 31, 2011, making us the largest manufacturer of commercial ammunition in the United States. The NRA estimates that as of 70 to 80 million people in the United States owned approximately 300 million firearms in 2010, creating a large installed base for our ammunition products. As the only major supplier of both firearms and ammunition in the United States, we believe our ability to sell ammunition creates a unique competitive advantage within the industry allowing us to solidify and extend our existing long-term relationship with our loyal customer base." Got that? Two billion bullets.

5. Women and young men. Again, the gray-haired hunters may be dying off one by one, but there are growth markets to exploit--specifically, women and young men who like big guns like the Bushmaster. From the 2011 annual report: "We believe that a meaningful percentage of recent firearm sales are being made to first time gun purchasers, particularly women. The introduction of first time shooters, as well as renewed interest by many existing shooters, will translate to increased participation across the ever-widening array of shooting sports. In addition, the continued adoption of the modern sporting rifle has led to increased growth in the long gun market, especially with a younger demographic of users and those who like to customize or upgrade their firearms." If anyone doubts this claim, consider two names recently in the news who fit this marketing profile exactly: Nancy and Adam Lanza.

6. Barack Obama's good for business. For a guy who wants to shut down the gun industry, President Obama's sure good for sales. He's even helping business by winding down the wars overseas. From the 2011 annual report: "We believe the continued economic uncertainty and the 2012 presidential election is likely to continue to spur handgun and certain rifle sales. Additionally, returning military are likely to purchase firearms for recreational use and to maintain training. We believe the industry is experiencing trends more toward recreational and shooting sports and home defense, in addition to the traditional hunting market."

7. Bureaucratic hassles. No doubt about it, when you're making guns, you have to fret about at least the prospect of government regulation. From the 2012 third quarter report: "Changes in regulation could materially adversely affect our business by restricting the types of products we manufacture or sell or by imposing additional costs on us or our customers in connection with the manufacture or sale of our products. Regulatory proposals, even if never enacted, may affect firearms or ammunition sales as a result of consumer perceptions. While we do not believe that existing federal and state legislation relating to the regulation of firearms and ammunition had a material adverse effect on our sales, no assurance can be given that more restrictive regulations, if proposed or enacted, will not have a material adverse effect on us in the future." Yes, this one could be a problem, and the 2011 annual report identifies two areas of regulation that could be particularly costly: a re-imposition of the assault weapons ban and various proposals to require data systems and stamping to better track firearms. But you have to at least admire the company's candor: there are no shortage of rules and regs around gun sales today, but Freedom Group has the honesty to admit publicly that these do not have "a material adverse effect on our sales."

8. Legal liability. More candor: "As a manufacturer of firearms, we were previously named as a defendant in certain lawsuits brought by municipalities or organizations challenging manufacturers‘ distribution practices and alleging that the defendants have also failed to include a variety of safety devices in their firearms. Our insurance primarily excludes coverage regarding such claims. In the event that additional such lawsuits were filed, or if certain legal theories advanced by plaintiffs were to be generally accepted by the courts, our financial condition and results of operations could be adversely affected." No getting around this one. Back in 2004, Bushmaster, then an independent company, paid $568,000 as part of a settlement related to the Beltway snipers, who used a Bushmaster .223. Odds are that there'll be a lawsuit or two coming of Newtown.

9. The whims of fate. Let's face it, the firearms business is not the razor business. There's a fundamental uncertainty to it that other lines of sales don't have to deal with. In other words, caveat emptor. From the third-quarter report, which was released on September 30, not so long ago at all: "Any forward-looking statement speaks only as of the date on which it is made, and we undertake no obligation to update any forward-looking statement to reflect events or circumstances after the date on which the statement is made or to reflect the occurrence of unanticipated events. Except as required by law, we undertake no obligation to publicly revise our forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances that arise after the date of this quarterly report."

Yes, events or circumstances.
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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #326 on: December 20, 2012, 12:27:49 PM »
I wish he had played Hotline Miami just to see the media's reaction to Hotline Miami.



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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #327 on: December 20, 2012, 12:56:21 PM »
sounds like the kid just had a bad day on ladder. never am i happier to live in a nampy pampy no guns society than after suffering through PvZ late game.

His actions do seem to coincide with Blizzard's announcement that they are re-buffing Infestors in HOTS


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« Reply #328 on: December 20, 2012, 02:01:10 PM »
Fox Insider comments - you just know where this one went without needing the link :

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« Reply #329 on: December 20, 2012, 07:43:24 PM »
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/12/20/newtown-7th-grader-starts-movement-to-rid-america-of-violent-video-games/
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CBS 2’s Lou Young met one seventh grader in Newtown on Thursday who was gathering a selection of his personal video games. He was getting rid of them for one reason and said he wants you to get rid of yours as well.

“All of it is kill, just kill as many people as you can without dying,” Max Goldstein said.

Each one is what they call a “first-person shooter,” a game in which the player looks at a digital landscape through the sights of a weapon and uses it on enemies.

They are among the most popular games on the market; violent, engaging, and, some say, addictive. In the aftermath of the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School, Goldstein and his brother decided it was a digital world they could no longer embrace.

“I really think it’s rude and disrespectful to the families, who lost children, to play these games,” Goldstein said.

With his parents help he’s created a group called “Played Out” that uses the slogan “We choose not to play.” It urges fellow kids to ditch their violent games as well. Bins will be going up in Newtown on Friday.

“We hope people will drop off … and destroy them,” said Jackson Mittleman, Goldstein’s brother.

The adults are wondering why they didn’t think of it first.

“It’s just great. I think it’s just great the kids thought of something,” said Roberta Mittleman, the boys’ mother.

Goldstein said his goal is to reduce violent video games by a third in American homes. You can start by dropping them off Friday.



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Notice how these people are getting their panties in a wad when their "innocent" video games,movies,and music are getting blamed,we need no rational conversation,ban them all right now and shut down the "entertainment industrial complex".
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If the kids are saying it...it should be done. They should have a video game bonfire!
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Good we need to get rid of this garbage created by liberals....AND the violent movies created by liberal Hollywood....funny the libs want to blame the NRA but not their own "kind" the liberal Hollywood elite!
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Violence with out a moral component in entertainment is unacceptable.

It's like pornography for children. Enough.
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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #330 on: December 20, 2012, 07:48:40 PM »
I can understand not wanting to play violent videogames after going through something like that.

Just don't expect me to follow suit.
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« Reply #331 on: December 20, 2012, 07:49:46 PM »
fucking goddamit
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« Reply #332 on: December 20, 2012, 08:05:32 PM »
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« Reply #333 on: December 20, 2012, 08:18:31 PM »
Continual, unending deflection.

The kid killed them with video games?
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« Reply #334 on: December 20, 2012, 08:21:49 PM »
what was his favorite food so i avoid eating it and shooting up a pre-school
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« Reply #335 on: December 20, 2012, 08:23:25 PM »
If Medal of Honor: Warfighter is the product of the liberal entertainment industry....what in hell would the teapartiers make because i think i want to play it
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« Reply #336 on: December 20, 2012, 08:42:17 PM »
If Medal of Honor: Warfighter is the product of the liberal entertainment industry....what in hell would the teapartiers make because i think i want to play it

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« Reply #337 on: December 20, 2012, 08:49:36 PM »
you own it on Steam don't you
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« Reply #339 on: December 20, 2012, 08:54:39 PM »
If Medal of Honor: Warfighter is the product of the liberal entertainment industry....what in hell would the teapartiers make because i think i want to play it

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Re: another month another mass shooting: 27 Elementary students/teachers DEAD
« Reply #340 on: December 21, 2012, 05:16:36 AM »
This video game blaming shit reminds me of how they blamed Linkin Park for the Columbine shootings back in the day...

I thought it was Marilyn Manson?

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« Reply #341 on: December 21, 2012, 07:35:19 AM »
This video game blaming shit reminds me of how they blamed Linkin Park for the Columbine shootings back in the day...

I thought it was Marilyn Manson?

He was involved too.  Didn't you know they were the ones who actually pulled the triggers?
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« Reply #342 on: December 21, 2012, 11:34:33 AM »
all the game devs on twitter are blowing up over the nra speech. babbies.
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« Reply #343 on: December 21, 2012, 12:02:41 PM »
So the NRAs solution is to have armed guards at all schools?

Your country has officially gone of the deep end into banana republic territory, no normal person can suggest this as a solution.

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« Reply #345 on: December 21, 2012, 12:10:15 PM »
Republicans want armed government employees in all schools?  Hoo boy, the irony.
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« Reply #346 on: December 21, 2012, 12:14:26 PM »
Best part of that horrible pdf i skimmed through is where they talk about homeland security and protecting thw countries infrastructure and how kids are an asset that needs protecting.

Fucking disgusting people at the nra bringing that war rhetoric and spreading fear.

I hope this blows up and destroys them.

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« Reply #347 on: December 21, 2012, 12:16:01 PM »
Fortress: America.

Of course, isn't there quite a bit of overlap between Right wing NRA types and Right Wing types who want to cut public servant jobs (like police officers) and right wing nut jobs who fantasize about needing their guns to resist state control over their lives (like posting armed state agents in every school)?

There are just shy of 100,000 public schools in the US.  Figure at least two armed officers per school, and I guess the Right just okayed the hiring and equipping of another 200,000 police officers across the country in a time of fiscal restraint. (at around 50k a year, that would be 10 billion a year on officers guarding schools)

Also, there are today about 800,000 law enforcement officers in the whole of the United States.  So This idea would represent a 25% growth in the number of police officers in the entire country.
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« Reply #348 on: December 21, 2012, 12:20:34 PM »
Hahah I didnt even think about it that way. Im suprised they wanna arm the federal govnmt.

Best to send your kid to school with a luger in case the fed guard tries to usurp power.

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« Reply #349 on: December 21, 2012, 12:44:31 PM »
So the NRAs solution is to have armed guards at all schools?

Your country has officially gone of the deep end into banana republic territory, no normal person can suggest this as a solution.

The NRA leadership is not made up of normal people, FYI.
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« Reply #350 on: December 21, 2012, 12:49:54 PM »
Republicans want armed government employees in all schools?  Hoo boy, the irony.

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« Reply #351 on: December 21, 2012, 01:25:39 PM »
an armed guard in every school really would be the only thing that would protect kids from another shooting.  he made a good point about banks and the pres, did you know that a lot of the most outspoken anti gunners in politics personally hire armed security, Diane Feinstein being one of them.  the ultimate hypocrisy.

but damn did he lose me at the videogame part, it didn't surprise me though. the NRA is run and funded by a bunch of old, out of touch quail hunters.  one of the many reasons I'm not a member.  GoA however, gets it right:



Piers Morgan has been horrible the last three days (well longer than that) but I can't stop watching it, the ridiculous "what if" shit that rolls off his tongue is riveting and maddening to watch.

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« Reply #352 on: December 21, 2012, 01:28:04 PM »
if someone is willing to kill innocent kids, why would they be scared of shooting an armed guard?

not that I don't agree that an armed guard would have its uses, but I really don't think people are understanding the mindset of someone who is willing to kill children and then themselves. do they really think an armed guard would stop them from doing what they're planning to do? they plan on dying anyways.
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« Reply #353 on: December 21, 2012, 01:33:12 PM »
theres no way to stop school shootings / mass shootings. if someone is that determined it's going ot happen. look at norway.
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« Reply #354 on: December 21, 2012, 01:34:57 PM »
To be fair, Norway's incident could have been prevented if their gun laws were more strict. There is a way to prevent mass shootings, and for the most part, it lies in access to guns.

Not that I support banning guns, but it should definitely be harder for certain people to purchase them.
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« Reply #355 on: December 21, 2012, 01:41:17 PM »
Columbine had an armed guard, Fort Hood is a fucking army base.  Give me a fucking break.
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« Reply #356 on: December 21, 2012, 01:41:37 PM »
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« Reply #357 on: December 21, 2012, 01:46:24 PM »
I would assume that the point Drew is trying to make is not that it would prevent mass shootings altogether by having an armed guard, but it might certainly prevent them from killing so many people if they were present.

Yes, the gunman probably has no problem with dying.  The armed guard would have no problem assisting them with that.
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« Reply #358 on: December 21, 2012, 01:47:25 PM »
more strict? it is my understanding that guns are banned entirely in Norway. (just googled and wikipedia tells me that shotguns and bolt action hunting guns are allowed, themoreyouknow.jpg)

about the killing of guards, of course they would shoot the guard, but firearm training and especially security type training means that the shooter would have to be pretty sneaky and creep up behind the guard before he started his spree.  again this is a what if type arguement when the fact is armed security personel has been a proven method of protecting the lives of other people.  is it perfect? of course not. is it a vast improvement? absolutely.

another thing that's bothering me is the media referring to AR15's as "assault weapons".  they're not. an assault weapon is a rifle that holds a detachable box magazine of an intermediate round with select fore capability.  select fore meaning you can switch from semi auto of burst to fully automatic.  the Second Amendment is NOT about hunting, it is about the ability of the people to protect themselves from tyrannical government, and banning ar15's and AK's would be in direct violation of the purpose of the Amendment.
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« Reply #359 on: December 21, 2012, 01:48:59 PM »
Yes, the gunman probably has no problem with dying.  The armed guard would have no problem assisting them with that.

Assuming the armed guard isn't the first person to be shot.

more strict? it is my understanding that guns are banned entirely in Norway.

Uh...not even close:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Norway#Ownership
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