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[thisismyusername]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=73060686&postcount=4337

Welp

As for the Apocalypse-GAF: continue ignoring Verrendus, famourmortimer, I, and Bruceleeroy. I'm out ya'll .

People should be doing that anyway. Worst posters.

[Joe Molotov]

[naff]

That's really weird considering that the original design only had 4 GB of memory in total. Why would they need 3.5 GB for the OS? The XMB is using less than 100 MB on the PS3.

Because XMB is a genius system and design. What they are preparing for PS4 is tiled dog shit.

XMB can diaf not as bad as xbox UI but both are pretty similar functionally and terrible in 2013

[MCD]

(Image removed from quote.)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=73088346&postcount=4898

[Joe Molotov]

[Smooth Groove]

Because XMB is a genius system and design. What they are preparing for PS4 is tiled dog shit.

XMB was nice back in 2007. Now it's a bloated mess. The new OS design will be fine as long as it's fast and responsive.

Isn't XMB bloated compared to 360 OS? 

360's firmware updates are like 20x times smaller

[Rufus]

That's because the PS3 needs to download the entire firmware again, not just the chunks that changed.

[headwalk]

- hear rumour that does anything to undermine your syphilitic blood ties to your console of choice
- crank histrionics to the stratosphere, creating a climate of fevered proprietary mania
- drag any measured comments down with the ship
- leave only a cataclysmic discourse crater behind, creating a firewall through which nobody of sane mind would want to pass, leaving just the easily cut down crazies from the other team

it's the classic "so you're saying nintendo is doooooomed, right?" defence.

[Huff]

so your saying i should get a wiiu?

[archnemesis]

Isn't XMB bloated compared to 360 OS? 

360's firmware updates are like 20x times smaller

The download size of the OS doesn't matter to me at all. What's annoying is when they add too many items on the menu so it becomes difficult to navigate. On the 360 you have ads and MS's second-rate services which also makes it bloated.

[maxy]

If rumors are true

X180--2 CPU cores+3GB RAM+10% GPU
PS4--2 CPU cores+3.5GB RAM+unknown GPU reserve

X180 has Kinect 2.0 running constantly.
PS4 has ............?

[pilonv1]

RIP GDDR-TAN :'(

[maxy]

Article updated

UPDATE: A new source familiar with the matter has provided additional information to Digital Foundry that confirms only 4.5GB of the PS4's 8GB GDDR5 memory pool is guaranteed to game developers right now, while also clarifying how the PS4's "flexible memory" works in practice.

In real terms, an additional 512MB of physical RAM may be available in addition to the 4.5GB mentioned in the SDK. Flexible memory consists of physical and virtual spaces, and the latter introduces paging issues which impact performance. In our original story we combined them together.

For practical game applications, the correct figures for this story, as we understand it now, are a guaranteed 4.5GB for development and a further 512MB from the flexible pool. We have updated the headline accordingly.

Flexible pool lol

[Cerveza mas fina]

Maxy it's not trolling if you're still losing.

[maxy]

Kinda funny that 4GB upgrade has mostly gone to OS reserve.

heh

[Diunx]

The upgrade was so they can keep all their "added value" plan without it impacting the resources available for games.

And the 4.5 is still so cry moar xboners :xbone

[recursivelyenumerable]

Isn't it a little misleading to refer to the OS partition as "reserved by the OS", as if the entire space is taken up by the kernel or something, when the space is really usable by the OS + all apps that are running in that partition?

[maxy]

Isn't it a little misleading to refer to the OS partition as "reserved by the OS", as if the entire space is taken up by the kernel or something, when the space is really usable by the OS + all apps that are running in that partition?

Yes,but explaining that to internet is impossible.

[mjemirzian]

This seems like a forward thinking move that won't impact games performance much if at all. It'd be pretty cool if you could tab between a game and web browser, chat program, or other open apps on PS4. Sony could even add HDMI Input on future models if needed.

And who was seriously expecting PS4 games to have access to 6 or even 7 GB of RAM? Even modern PC games don't need that much.

[archnemesis]

Modern PC games can use that much memory if you turn up the anti-aliasing effects or render the game at a very high resolution. The Vita allows for six applications (including one game) to be open at once and I'm expecting the PS4 to have similar functionality.

Edit: I'm currently using 4.2 GB of memory by just browsing the internet.

[D3RANG3D]

Modern PC games can use that much memory if you turn up the anti-aliasing effects or render the game at a very high resolution. The Vita allows for six applications (including one game) to be open at once and I'm expecting the PS4 to have similar functionality.

Edit: I'm currently using 4.2 GB of memory by just browsing the internet.

So you are using chrome?

[recursivelyenumerable]

Re "just browsing the internet", another thing I think most people haven't really gotten their heads around is that websites nowadays can be complex (or if you like, bloated) applications in their own right. A browser is basically an operating system through which the apps running in it (websites) can access almost all of the PC's resources. People tend to talk about resource usage from web browsing in terms of the browser application ("chrome" is bloated, etc.) but while the efficiency of the browser runtime certainly plays a part, ultimately it's THE WEBSITES that are using those resources.

[Rufus]

In other words, close a few of those 50 tabs, especially if they're packed with flash videos and ads.

[chronovore]

Reserving ram for OS is smart. They can trim it later.

Sure, but there is no reason to go overboard. It's primarily a game console and other features like Netflix streaming will manage with a small amount of reserved memory.

Chromecast™ supports 1080p  Netflix on 256 MB RAM.

And apparently it runs like crap unless your router is bulletproof.

[Eel O'Brian]

Chrome's been hard-locking my PC lately, had to quit using it. Dunno what's causing it, I disabled all add-ons and it would still lock my shit up so bad I had to use the power switch to shut down.

[Tasty]

Reserving ram for OS is smart. They can trim it later.

Sure, but there is no reason to go overboard. It's primarily a game console and other features like Netflix streaming will manage with a small amount of reserved memory.

Chromecast™ supports 1080p  Netflix on 256 MB RAM.

And apparently it runs like crap unless your router is bulletproof.

So will YouTube in your PC browser, no difference.

[chronovore]

My Macs have  trouble with YouTube no matter what. 

AppleTV, Windows netbook, and 360 are behind more interference but run YouTube with less stutter.

[archnemesis]

So will YouTube in your PC browser, no difference.

Are you on a wired high-speed connection? I can run YouTube without any stuttering in Windows, OSX, and Ubuntu. Maybe it's a general infrastructure issue in the US.

[The Sceneman]

is gokiburi the Japanese word for cockroach?

[Raban]

ding ding ding

[The Sceneman]

The Japanese classes I took when I was 14 paid off! Being able to read kana is also a huge boon

[huckleberry]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/?tag=cheapassgam08-20&ie=UTF8&docId=1001420741

stolen from CAG but who cares.

Trade in $30 worth of shit and get $30 off a DS4 controller......DS4 for $30 in trade-ins is pretty sweet.

Offer ends November 30 so plenty of time.

[cool breeze]

That entire glossy top third of the PS3 is removable to access the hard drive.  Only a matter of time until custom replacements pop up.  Face plates are BACK!

[patrickula]

I checked out a PS4 kiosk this evening at a nearby Sony Store. Here are my Bore exclusive impressions:

I think they've made a mistake rolling these things out with the (lack of) games they have to demo with. Knack is the only real next-gen game on there... and it's Knack.

It looked like the same demo that's been failing to impress me in videos for months. Yes, the right stick dodging makes it slightly amusing but wow what a snooze of a game at first impression. A few graphical effects looked neat and some round things looked pretty round.

Octodad was kind of fun but it's the kind of thing I'd get ina humble bundle or for a couple bucks in a Steam sale.. it doesn't look pretty and it didn't run well either, getting noticeably framey at times. I was also amazed to see an Nvidia Physx logo when it was loading 

I didn't bother playing anything else because there were a few people around waiting to be disappointed.

The controller was definitely pretty nice. It is absolutely way better than the crummy DS3. I do wish the d-pad was more vita-esque but it's definitely an improvement over the PS3 one. The triggers are finally sensibly shaped but they're still mushy and don't feel too great. The analog sticks being farther apart is much better of course. Overall I liked it but it didn't blow me away as the hype had led me to expect.

I can't imagine someone going into a Sony Store and trying any of these games and thinking they need to get a PS4. There was no OS available to impress me either. I'm not Killzone fan but this kiosk could have really used some playable Killzone. Or Driveclub 

Sony would probably be better off running a sizzle reel.

[Bebpo]

Starting to get pretty excited for the PS4 launch.  The latest footage of "gone-gold" polished level of quality Killzone, Knack, NBA2k14, NFS Rivals are all looking great and a lot of fun with supposedly meaty gameplay to boot.  Haven't played an FPS since uhh....Bioshock 2?  Resistance 2?  Halo 3?  I dunno, it's been a really long time so actually looking forward to running through Killzone campaign and it's been a long ass time since I've played a new IP mascot platformer so really excited about Knack too.  The other stuff and digital titles at launch should be good fun too along with tinkering with the system and messing with Vita stream playing.  Should be a great 2-4 weeks of fun.  Then back to PC/PS3 for a couple of months until Infamous SS and then back to PC/PS3 until fall '14 when the first ok next-gen lineup should hit. 

But yeah, thinking about taking Monday the 18th off of work and just spending a 3 day weekend playing new system videogames.  I think part of the excitement is that it's been like SIX or SEVEN YEARS since a new console launch (WiiU doesn't count since it was about as exciting as visiting a retirement home).


Now if only MGS5 would get a damn release date.  Even for the demo-turned-retail-product Ground Zeroes prologue.  Would really help the post-launch drought if it came out early 2014 and was awesome and highly replayable like the MGS Tanker chapter.

[cool breeze]

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/10/30/ps4-the-ultimate-faq-north-america/

-can't play MP3s (subscribe to our music streaming service)
-PS3 remote doesn't work
-can't change PSN ID
-no DLNA ( people are upset about this)
-video streaming can be blocked at times (like Vita screenshot capture)


that's the bad stuff.  no MP3 playback 

[Mupepe]

No DLNA is pretty shitty but the rest seems like small potatoes.  The MP3 shit is more mind boggling than anything.  Stupid decision.

[cool breeze]

it's totally a sleazy move.  hopefully no one buys into the dumb sony music service and they add mp3 support in.  even the Vita has custom mp3 soundtracks for all games.  and admittedly I don't know what DLNA is and if it's a software or hardware thing, but these problems, and some of xbox one's, can be fixed through firmware updates.  it's easy to forget how busted the PS3 and 360 were at launch.
 
not supporting remotes is also pretty dumb when there isn't a PS4 replacement. although, supposedly the smartphone app works as a remote and  I'm fine with that option.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

it's totally a sleazy move.  hopefully no one buys into the dumb sony music service and they add mp3 support in.  even the Vita has custom mp3 soundtracks for all games.  and admittedly I don't know what DLNA is and if it's a software or hardware thing, but these problems, and some of xbox one's, can be fixed through firmware updates.  it's easy to forget how busted the PS3 and 360 were at launch.
 
not supporting remotes is also pretty dumb when there isn't a PS4 replacement. although, supposedly the smartphone app works as a remote and  I'm fine with that option.

I fully expect MP3 support to be patched back in when no-one subscribes to Sony's streaming music service.

[Tasty]

No DLNA is pretty shitty but the rest seems like small potatoes.  The MP3 shit is more mind boggling than anything.  Stupid decision.

Sony becomes more like Nintendo every day.

[MCD]

Actually, that's wrong. MS won't support Media Extender.

MP3 is still unknown but there is this:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=78204917&postcount=3

[MCD]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=88091171&postcount=1266

 

[Eel O'Brian]

Just buy another $200 device to listen to your own music. It's so simple. Don't be such whiners. Jeezus.

[Himu]

But ps4 doesn't support music cds either does it?

[huckleberry]

well fuck...guess the expedites me buying an apple tv. i use dlna on the ps3 all the goddam time. 

[Rahxephon91]

Don't think I've ever played music on my PS3 or PS2. So really the lack of the ability means nothing. Still seems like a strange omission to not even be able to stream mp3s.

[huckleberry]

are they referring to custom soundtracks? if so it was kinda cool for a minute or two on the 360 when it launched and a source of never ending stat thumping for xfegs.....thats about it.

[Mupepe]

are they referring to custom soundtracks? if so it was kinda cool for a minute or two on the 360 when it launched and a source of never ending stat thumping for xfegs.....thats about it.

I use it all the time when I'm playing certain games.  Especially when you're doing something like grinding in an rpg.  Sucks that it's gone from both consoles.

[huckleberry]

are they referring to custom soundtracks? if so it was kinda cool for a minute or two on the 360 when it launched and a source of never ending stat thumping for xfegs.....thats about it.

I use it all the time when I'm playing certain games.  Especially when you're doing something like grinding in an rpg.  Sucks that it's gone from both consoles.

no doubt...for the people who used it. i did think it was a really neat idea but just never remembered it was there.

[chronovore]

No DLNA is pretty shitty but the rest seems like small potatoes.  The MP3 shit is more mind boggling than anything.  Stupid decision.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Living_Network_Alliance
First goddamned sentence:

The Digital Living Network Alliance (DLNA) is a non-profit collaborative trade organization established by Sony in June 2003, that is responsible for defining interoperability guidelines to enable sharing of digital media between multimedia devices.

[huckleberry]

dlna didn't come on the ps3 at launch either iirc. im still not holding my breath. apple tv here i come.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

the Digital Living Network Alliance has been replaced by Please Rent Our Proprietary Movies

[huckleberry]

https://twitter.com/KazHiraiCEO/status/395621517805252608

[Himu]

While it's stupid to do, I'm not that upset about it because I haven't once played a music cd in my ps3 and I never did with my ps2. I did it with my psx often but that was when cd players were far less common and it was a regular thing to play cds through your tv or something when a friend came over. With mp3 players in the 2000's and stuff that made all of that pointless. Still, the fact you can't do it is a real eye opener. After this point this is probably how our parents felt about 8 tracks when cassettes and cds started to get popular.

[Smooth Groove]

It seems petty more than anything, since like you said, lots of devices can do it nowadays

[bork]

Got a PS4 controller from Amazon-- they're still not releasing these things with USB cables?  It's sixty fuckin' bucks; come on Sony.


The back of the box says "use the USB cable supplied with the Playstation 4 system."  What if you have more than one controller, Sony?   

[MCD]

Is it different from the PS3 cable?

I bought two cheap whatever brand cables after giving my bro's kids the included one. They are much better thanks to them being 2m in length.

[bork]

It looks like micro USB cables should work.  I just think it's stupid they don't give you one.

[chronovore]

It looks like micro USB cables should work.  I just think it's stupid they don't give you one.

It is stupid that a charging cable is not supplied with a device which must be charged for use, yes.

[bork]

Popped into Best Buy to pick up a micro USB cable.  They had 3" cables for $17.99.   

Ordered a 6" cable from Amazon for $5.49. 

Some things never change.