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FFS, we couldn't even get one post of non-pedo discussion.

Pretty sure the way to deal with those urges isn't to find people like themselves and be like

"I like these upskirt panty shots in this moe animoos."
"Yeah I like them too."
"Whoa hey guys can we not?"
"GOD you're such a prude."

That is so true.
Surrounding yourself with like-minded individuals, and immersing oneself in the material that titillates you, is just a bad idea. Those sort of situations will gradually make the pedos think that their attractions are actually acceptable, which as you might imagine can lead to thoughts giving rise to actions.
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God serious pedo talk when they should SEEK HELP for their obvious problems instead of circle jerk on a fucking forum about them.

Is there any actual help they can get? Does professional therapy for pedophiles really help? I'm genuinely curious because my bets are placed on "no." At least not to a great extent.

This seems irrelevant. I would assume seeking professional help on some level would be better than encouraging the paraphilia/whatever you want to call it via fetishistic material and a community of people in denial. If there is solid evidence some porn helps, then fine, but I doubt it helps with a complete and utter lack of self-awareness and or denial about it.

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lmao is this dude trying to fill a bingo card all on his own with all these shit-brained arguments?

"I don't know anything about therapy but I guess playing video games centered on exploiting sexualized children is as good a help as any for those poor, persecuted pedophiles" :spin



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God serious pedo talk when they should SEEK HELP for their obvious problems instead of circle jerk on a fucking forum about them.

Is there any actual help they can get? Does professional therapy for pedophiles really help? I'm genuinely curious because my bets are placed on "no." At least not to a great extent.

This seems irrelevant. I would assume seeking professional help on some level would be better than encouraging the paraphilia/whatever you want to call it via fetishistic material and a community of people in denial. If there is solid evidence some porn helps, then fine, but I doubt it helps with a complete and utter lack of self-awareness and or denial about it.

Fair enough. Though some of those posters may very well be seeking professional help.

And as far as I know, there's no direct evidence porn helps to reduce their urge to abuse actual children. But we do have data showing that rape and access to porn are negatively correlated (more access to porn, less rape) so I'd lean towards the hypothesis that it does help.

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We all do what we must to keep the lights on but don't get mad at people calling you out for your lack of integrity when you clearly have none, Tommy boy.
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I'm not even sure what you guys expect people legitimately attracted to children to do. Just kill themselves for the greater good? Lolitas and "1000 year old demon girls" and whatever are disgusting, but that's infinitely better than the alternative of them taking out their unavoidable urges on actual real-life children.

Legit kill themselves or maybe volunteer for some kind of isolated work away from people like on an oil rig. Suicide seems like the best answer though. There may be some 1000 year old demons in hell as a bonus.

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No need to kill them.

The most humane solution would be to castrate them.
It is the only sureway method of stopping a pedophile from potentially becoming a sexual offender, and will ultimately hurt them less in the long run (especially if castrated pedophiles don't face the pedo stigma.)
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re: hair thread

Dudes make a big deal out of body hair.

Call us when you run into actual hygiene issues.

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I'm not even sure what you guys expect people legitimately attracted to children to do. Just kill themselves for the greater good? Lolitas and "1000 year old demon girls" and whatever are disgusting, but that's infinitely better than the alternative of them taking out their unavoidable urges on actual real-life children.

Legit kill themselves or maybe volunteer for some kind of isolated work away from people like on an oil rig. Suicide seems like the best answer though. There may be some 1000 year old demons in hell as a bonus.

This is unnecessary. They are still human.
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Chemical castration isn't permanent though. It relies on them actually taking their pills. This is a depressing topic no matter which way you look at it.

Challenge accepted.

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=854089
Bunch of babies deterred by a little hair. Pah.

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http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=854098

Adding more fuel to the pedo discussion fire.  :patel

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Chemical castration isn't permanent though. It relies on them actually taking their pills. This is a depressing topic no matter which way you look at it.

Challenge accepted.

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=854089
Bunch of babies deterred by a little hair. Pah.

Yeah, was talking about physical castration.
Chemical castration works just as well, but like you said it relies on them taking pills which means you the pedos are still stuck having to report to a parole officer for the rest of their natural life.

With physical castration though, the risk is gone and most experts would be more than happy for them to be released into society without oversight.
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I'm not even sure what you guys expect people legitimately attracted to children to do. Just kill themselves for the greater good? Lolitas and "1000 year old demon girls" and whatever are disgusting, but that's infinitely better than the alternative of them taking out their unavoidable urges on actual real-life children.

ah ok, well that completely justifies selling entertainment products that contain softcore child porn

Nobody is forcing me to buy it. Nobody is forcing you to buy it. How do you feel about the selling of entertainment products that less you gruesomely murder other human beings?

Video games have tons of morally objectionable content.

lol fuck off
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Chemical castration isn't permanent though. It relies on them actually taking their pills. This is a depressing topic no matter which way you look at it.

Challenge accepted.

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=854089
Bunch of babies deterred by a little hair. Pah.

Deterred nah.

Let's not pretend they're rejecting anybody.

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re: hair thread

Dudes make a big deal out of body hair.

Call us when you run into actual hygiene issues.

I'm just waiting for someone to break out an evolutionary psychology argument, but I guess GAF is (thankfully) better than that.

I'm not even sure what you guys expect people legitimately attracted to children to do. Just kill themselves for the greater good? Lolitas and "1000 year old demon girls" and whatever are disgusting, but that's infinitely better than the alternative of them taking out their unavoidable urges on actual real-life children.

ah ok, well that completely justifies selling entertainment products that contain softcore child porn

Nobody is forcing me to buy it. Nobody is forcing you to buy it. How do you feel about the selling of entertainment products that less you gruesomely murder other human beings?

Video games have tons of morally objectionable content.

lol fuck off

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I'll take those bad feels over kid feels.


re: hair thread

Dudes make a big deal out of body hair.

Call us when you run into actual hygiene issues.

I'm just waiting for someone to break out an evolutionary psychology argument, but I guess GAF is (thankfully) better than that.

We're getting there just wait. We've come close a couple times.

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If we're so evolved from monkeys, why would you chose to be hairy?
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That group needs to hear repeatedly that their urges are unhealthy and that they seek help.

I feel too often that people miss the second step though. We also aren't good at telling them that their urges are unhealthy without outright demonizing them for even having them in the first place which likely contributes to them not seeking professional help.

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That group needs to hear repeatedly that their urges are unhealthy and that they seek help.

I feel too often that people miss the second step though. We also aren't good at telling them that their urges are unhealthy without outright demonizing them for even having them in the first place which likely contributes to them not seeking professional help.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

That's why I think castration is probably the best solution. People demonize pedos because they're afraid for themselves, their children, or the children of others - rather a pedo experience something negative than an innocent child. But if you remove the danger of pedos through castration, people would be less likely to exhibit those feelings, and more likely to express pity alone.
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The entire series is fantastical and over the top.  It's like watching Lord of the Rings and losing your shit that Gandalf reviving is unrealistic.
What. The. Fuck.

There's a difference between world building and mind-numbing plot convenience, right guys? Right? Not to mention the amount of dissonance of having fantastical elements in a modern crime drama versus having them in a fucking high fantasy epic.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=120694954&postcount=120 -spoilers and blah blah blah
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That group needs to hear repeatedly that their urges are unhealthy and that they seek help.

I feel too often that people miss the second step though. We also aren't good at telling them that their urges are unhealthy without outright demonizing them for even having them in the first place which likely contributes to them not seeking professional help.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

That's why I think castration is probably the best solution. People demonize pedos because they're afraid for themselves, their children, or the children of others - rather a pedo experience something negative than an innocent child. But if you remove the danger of pedos through castration, people would be less likely to exhibit those feelings, and more likely to express pity alone.

I'm not opposed to the castration solution. But I agree you can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't demonize pedophiles (demonizing their urges doesn't mean demonizing the person) while expecting them to seek out help. They'll probably assume there isn't help to be found.

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Naw. BB is full of stupid unbelieavable crap that takes you out of the narrative.
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Physical castration would be pretty inhumane for those that haven't committed any crimes, especially for the ones that are capable of attraction to an adult.  It's another story for ones that have acted on those urges.

As for communities, there are some that have the support of doctors and human sexuality experts.  This is what the psychologist, Jamse Cantor had to say about the mutual support group/forum, Virtuous Pedophiles:

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"It is hard to imagine someone who would feel more isolated than someone who recognizes he is sexually interested in children. In my experience, it is in those phases of greatest desperation that a pedophile is most likely to do something desperate, risking harm to a child.  Mutual support among people who share the same daily battle with their own desires can go a long way in addressing the extreme isolation, serving as a potential pressure valve, adding layer of protection, helping pedophiles to keep their behaviors under control."

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The evidence keeps stacking up for you cosmic. But I won't judge you.
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I'm just waiting for someone to break out an evolutionary psychology argument, but I guess GAF is (thankfully) better than that.

 :sabu @ you saying this after comparing pedophilia to homosexuality and suggesting society just leave pedophiles to self-medicate with porn as a means to not molest children.

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Chemical castration isn't permanent though. It relies on them actually taking their pills. This is a depressing topic no matter which way you look at it.

Challenge accepted.

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=854089
Bunch of babies deterred by a little hair. Pah.

Pretty sure I'd have trouble dating a girl with underarm hair  :yeshrug

Pretty sure most women have trouble dating you.

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The evidence keeps stacking up for you cosmic. But I won't judge you.

Lol is this high school? "You defended X group so you must be a member of X group."

I'm just waiting for someone to break out an evolutionary psychology argument, but I guess GAF is (thankfully) better than that.

 :sabu @ you saying this after comparing pedophilia to homosexuality and suggesting society just leave pedophiles to self-medicate with porn as a means to not molest children.

Homosexuality and pedophilia are similar in that neither group chooses to have those urges. The difference being pedophilia is extremely harmful if acted on.

I don't know how that's evolutionary psychology but whatever.
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Chemical castration isn't permanent though. It relies on them actually taking their pills. This is a depressing topic no matter which way you look at it.

Challenge accepted.

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=854089
Bunch of babies deterred by a little hair. Pah.

Yeah, was talking about physical castration.
Chemical castration works just as well, but like you said it relies on them taking pills which means you the pedos are still stuck having to report to a parole officer for the rest of their natural life.

With physical castration though, the risk is gone and most experts would be more than happy for them to be released into society without oversight.
Ages ago I've heard somewhere (probably a TV program) that physically castrated pedophiles will just use something else in place of their penis. :-\

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Physical castration would be pretty inhumane for those that haven't committed any crimes, especially for the ones that are capable of attraction to an adult.  It's another story for ones that have acted on those urges.

As for communities, there are some that have the support of doctors and human sexuality experts.  This is what the psychologist, Jamse Cantor had to say about the mutual support group/forum, Virtuous Pedophiles:

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"It is hard to imagine someone who would feel more isolated than someone who recognizes he is sexually interested in children. In my experience, it is in those phases of greatest desperation that a pedophile is most likely to do something desperate, risking harm to a child.  Mutual support among people who share the same daily battle with their own desires can go a long way in addressing the extreme isolation, serving as a potential pressure valve, adding layer of protection, helping pedophiles to keep their behaviors under control."

Is it really inhumane though?

They possess predispositions that are at odds (should they be acted upon) with the laws of most societies, and are of such a nature that repressing them will cause them continuous mental anguish even with therapeutic & peer support.

It strikes me as more humane to remove that one aspect of their life they can never fulfill in order to live a more fulfilling life overall - for without their sexuality, they're not missing out on the qualitative experiences that the rest of us experience.
Yes, their overall sum of potential human expression is reduced, but in such a way that they improve in other areas - in terms of freedom, in terms of social acceptance, and so much more.

Is that not a world you'd rather live in?
Where pedophiles upon expressing their sexuality are guided to the nearest medical center, with empathy rather than repulsion, so that they can continue their lives - one small part of it removed - without worrying those around them.
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Also I have a question how have they shown conclusively that accessible porn exclusively has dropped rape numbers? It always seems like a full of shit statement considering over the same time period we also had this thing called feminism and the broadening of women's rights.

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Also I have a question how have they shown conclusively that accessible porn exclusively has dropped rape numbers? It always seems like a full of shit statement considering over the same time period we also had this thing called feminism and the broadening of women's rights.

You're right. It may be a case of correlation not equaling causation. I'm more than willing to accept that porn isn't the solution for reducing the chances of them harming actual children. There just isn't evidence either way as far as I can tell because it isn't a problem that can be studied easily. Castration may very well be the only viable solution we have at present.

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Off with their balls!  :lol
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The evidence keeps stacking up for you cosmic. But I won't judge you.

Lol is this high school? "You defended X group so you must be a member of X group."

I'm just waiting for someone to break out an evolutionary psychology argument, but I guess GAF is (thankfully) better than that.

 :sabu @ you saying this after comparing pedophilia to homosexuality and suggesting society just leave pedophiles to self-medicate with porn as a means to not molest children.

Homosexuality and pedophilia are similar in that neither group chooses to have those urges. The difference between pedophilia is extremely harmful if acted on.

No, I have defended pedophiles on this forum multiple times. I was cracking at the fact the he knew what that community was and has a very...knowing relationship with it, is all.

RE: castration. I agree with cosmic that it is not humane. Apparently, not all pedophiles are only attracted to children and there exists a spectrum, like with all human sexuality.

RE: communities. Depends on the community, but I can agree on the premise that like-minded individuals in a position where they are not accepted by society is indeed helpful, given my experience with the trans community.

RE: Isolating them. This will lead to break out. When you push feelings that are core to your being down, in most individuals there comes a point where they can no longer to back. For this reason, I am in favor of Loli games and having a community, but I'll still laugh at you if you devise the idea that there's a conspiracy to censor your words to defend a Loli game with the pretense that it's "art". However, by no means are these are not meant to be a replacement for treatment.
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RE: RE: Community: Right, but isn't the reason trans-community is so helpful is because it is making you accept who you are and what you need to do in order to express yourself in actions?
I mean, the goal is ultimately for you to be accepted as the gender you identify with, and subsequently sexy time action.

You can't really have anything like that with pedos, and whilst therapeutically you want people to accept who they are, they're still stuck with an identity that is not acceptable.

It is a plaster on a gushing wound that will never close up.
Castration does, guaranteed.
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luv u 2 himu.

Like Momo, I'm just an empathetic guy showing it for people that society deems just short of being unempathetic.  I feel the same way about people with ASPD and other sexual disorders.  Hope you and Wrath believe that much at least and the fact I'm not a pedophile.  You guys are cool (And I guess Docbon too).  Everyone else can think what they want about me.

And with that, this subject has gotten boring.  Until there's another breakthrough in the psychological field, I don't think I'll be talking about this stuff anymore.  Too much of a headache.
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RE: RE: Community: Right, but isn't the reason trans-community is so helpful is because it is making you accept who you are and what you need to do in order to express yourself in actions?
I mean, the goal is ultimately for you to be accepted as the gender you identify with, and subsequently sexy time action.

You can't really have anything like that with pedos, and whilst therapeutically you want people to accept who they are, they're still stuck with an identity that is not acceptable.

It is a plaster on a gushing wound that will never close up.
Castration does, guaranteed.

Why the need to be extreme. Trans community is just one example. What about groups like Alcoholics Anonymous? There's a sense of community with an actual goal to not embrace something, but to avoid it, and live without it.
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The evidence keeps stacking up for you cosmic. But I won't judge you.

Lol is this high school? "You defended X group so you must be a member of X group."

I'm just waiting for someone to break out an evolutionary psychology argument, but I guess GAF is (thankfully) better than that.

 :sabu @ you saying this after comparing pedophilia to homosexuality and suggesting society just leave pedophiles to self-medicate with porn as a means to not molest children.

Homosexuality and pedophilia are similar in that neither group chooses to have those urges. The difference between pedophilia is extremely harmful if acted on.

No, I have defended pedophiles on this forum multiple times. I was cracking at the fact the he knew what that community was and has a very...knowing relationship with it, is all.

RE: castration. I agree with cosmic that it is not humane. Apparently, not all pedophiles are only attracted to children and there exists a spectrum, like with all human sexuality.

RE: communities. Depends on the community, but I can agree on the premise that like-minded individuals in a position where they are not accepted by society is indeed helpful, given my experience with the trans community.

RE: Isolating them. This will lead to break out. When you push feelings that are core to your being down, in most individuals there comes a point where they can no longer to back. For this reason, I am in favor of Loli games and having a community, but I'll still laugh at you if you devise the idea that there's a conspiracy to censor your words to defend a Loli game with the pretense that it's "art". However, by no means are these are not meant to be a replacement for treatment.

I don't feel the comparison between trans and pedo communities is apt for one specific reason, acting (poor choice of words but oh well) out your preferred gender is harmless, not so with pedos because simply acting out their sexuality is bad times.


RE: RE: Community: Right, but isn't the reason trans-community is so helpful is because it is making you accept who you are and what you need to do in order to express yourself in actions?
I mean, the goal is ultimately for you to be accepted as the gender you identify with, and subsequently sexy time action.

You can't really have anything like that with pedos, and whilst therapeutically you want people to accept who they are, they're still stuck with an identity that is not acceptable.

It is a plaster on a gushing wound that will never close up.
Castration does, guaranteed.

Why the need to be extreme. Trans community is just one example. What about groups like Alcoholics Anonymous? There's a sense of community with an actual goal to not embrace something, but to avoid it, and live without it.

AA is a directed support group. We're clearly not talking about support groups, we're talking about enabling.

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I feel you guys are taking the comparison too literal. Pedophilia is not comparable to trans sexuality in any shape or form. However, my point is, it always feels good when I need to talk to someone about trans stuff and my day, not with CIS people, and have a place to go home to. And you don't have that, I imagine the consequences would be dire for a pedophile.
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RE: RE: Community: Right, but isn't the reason trans-community is so helpful is because it is making you accept who you are and what you need to do in order to express yourself in actions?
I mean, the goal is ultimately for you to be accepted as the gender you identify with, and subsequently sexy time action.

You can't really have anything like that with pedos, and whilst therapeutically you want people to accept who they are, they're still stuck with an identity that is not acceptable.

It is a plaster on a gushing wound that will never close up.
Castration does, guaranteed.

Why the need to be extreme. Trans community is just one example. What about groups like Alcoholics Anonymous? There's a sense of community with an actual goal to not embrace something, but to avoid it, and live without it.

Stop comparing the trans community to the pedo community then, it is really doing the former a disservice  :-\

And as pointed out by Devo, AA is completely different - it is (generally, afaik) guided support sessions under the supervision of someone with therapeutic/counselling experience and training. Not nearly the same thing as releasing a bunch of pedos into a forum and letting them share their experiences and "tricks" to blending into society.

Sharing your experience as a transindividual with another transindividual is a constructive process, working towards your ultimate end-goal and helping you deal with unfair situations in life.

There is no end-goal to achieve for pedos, nor are they really dealing with unfair situations in life - since any behaviour towards pedophiles is more or less justified on the basis of pedophilia being potentially dangerous.
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=854134

I want this to turn into the hip hop conspiracy ot

EDIT: MOTHERFUCKER WITH THE DPs!

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It isn't doing the trans community a disservice at all. As I'm not comparing trans people to pedophiles. We are tight knit, and people have a means to communicate their frustration when needs be. Is all. But this is true for any minority. You could replace trans community with black people. Again, you are thinking too literal.
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delete this thread
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All we need now is PD to sympathize with Stormfront
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Propose a diabolical and sociopathic plan to castrate pedophiles to help people stop being needlessly afraid of them, while being needlessly being afraid of them, brehs.
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I'm with Oscar on this one.

I just think castration is a really neat solution that people tend to overlook. There are other benefits to castration as well, such as - in the eventuality that pedophilia has a genetic component - it reducing the prevalence rates of pedophilia in the general population.

It helps them curb negative thoughts, and it eugenics that's for once targeting the right people.
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All we need now is PD to sympathize with Stormfront (Image removed from quote.)

I mean I don't, but you could kind of make a case. A lot of them were probably raised to have such horrid wordviews, and breaking those is hard. Especially after they joined a community that only legitimizes their views in their own head.

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TIL castration is "neat".
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I strongly disagree with castration in any but the most extreme cases.

And AA is definitely not the same thing as a group of like-minded people sharing in and enjoying an unethical lifestyle. 

There's a lot of research around this stuff if people feel like not pulling stuff out of thin air.

Can you link me this research? I'm honestly a bit afraid to google anything related to pedophilia.

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=854134

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Not a fan of how much squiddy is diminishing the complicated impact of castration, morally and all that.

Also not a fan of how himu is conflating guided support groups in which they discuss their desires with circle jerk nonsense that revels in desires.

Fuck this conversation.

Squiddy

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TIL castration is "neat".

It works great for pets, so are you insinuating that pedophiles are more important than Mr Whiskers?

Srsly, I detest pedophiles, but at least I am channeling my displeasure with them into an avenue that would help them. That's better than the pitchfork raising crowd who just want pedos to kill themselves or isolate them from society.

I'm only human.
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Mr Whiskers is one of estimate 2 billion cats in the world and 85 million cats in America alone. Assuming Mr whiskers is an outdoor cat, entire ecosystems are destroyed by him and his friends, most notably, with birds. Cats can jump into your neighbors garden and shit in it. More cats - especially outdoor cats - isn't necessary.

By contrast, there are not 2 billion pedophiles on Earth.
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Cats are superfecund and in the wild have an abysmal kitten mortality rate.

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Castration is a good option for actual molesters, IMO.

The main problem is that isn't preventative (since you have to wait until after they've harmed a child), which I think is important. This is one of the cases where "think of the children" might actually lend some weight to doing something that might otherwise be unsavory.

EDIT: MOTHERFUCKER WITH THE DPs!

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I just said you were a cool guy like 2 minutes ago.  :-\