International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster

[shosta]

Why do I even engage.
80 years ago, you folks probably would have been Hitler-appeasers arguing against intervention.
Because deposing fascists to prevent genocide (or ecocide) apparently is fascism, too, or something.

what do you mean "you people"?

[BisMarckie]

Who will lead this invasion? The US? The UN? NATO?
Let's just assume Russia and China agree to a US led military intervention, how many people are you willing to sacrifice?


If people really cared about the Amazon Rain Forest, they would just buy massive amounts of land for more money than destroying it brings in.
The capitalist system works

[OnlyRegret]

I had lite eco-fascist feelings, encouraged by the circumstances (living somewhere where pinning environmental issues on China by people with big consumption is norm), but realized maybe harassing foreign nations for effectively outsourced pollution is unfair. That and even the plastics stat I bought into I now have second thoughts given the trade of wastes is a big thing and maybe the supposed plastics responsible nations need to settle the fuck down.

[OnlyRegret]

Who will lead this invasion? The US? The UN? NATO?
Let's just assume Russia and China agree to a US led military intervention, how many people are you willing to sacrifice?


If people really cared about the Amazon Rain Forest, they would just buy massive amounts of land for more money than destroying it brings in.
The capitalist system works

I know this is facetious but I just wanted to plug this.

[curly]

Why do I even engage.
80 years ago, you folks probably would have been Hitler-appeasers arguing against intervention.
Because deposing fascists to prevent genocide (or ecocide) apparently is fascism, too, or something.

Bless this terrible post

[OnlyRegret]

* a bunch of IMF and NATO guys in a room somewhere *

Guy 1: We must depose Jair Bolsonaro. He is doing too good of a job at crushing social democratic opposition.
Guy 2: Yes, yes... He is making it too easy for us to get access to territory in the Amazon for mining and agricultural purposes... Yes...
Guy 3: So we're in agreement then. We will arm and fund leftist rebels helmed by largely indigenous populations to storm Brasília and institute environmental reform even though it directly contradicts our economic interests. Guy 4 already has the media push ready. All in favor?

Guys: Accord *snaps fingers*

This is unironically beautiful.

[Occam]

its a bummer that twitter really killed off godwin's law, no one respects the tenets of internet etiquette anymore

You kind of invoked Godwin's law yourself when you trollingly equated population growth control and eugenics (I know, Galton, but close enough).

[Nintex]

* Meanwhile at The White House *

"Donald! There's an environmental disaster brewing in Brazil. Jair must stop illegal Amazon logging before we can no longer save the Trump Doral from a flood.... I would send Rudy but..."

"Don't worry Jared. I'll call that Bolsodrunko and get him to stop. He loves me. We're like the Blues Brothers but better"

"Jayhere? Jayhere? Can you hear me?  How's the wife, you still cheating? .... I'm sorry honey, don't cry. he still loves you probably.... put your husband on the phone now please"

"Look you have to stop logging amazons I understand they might be a 7 or an 8 but really it's bad for the environment. I enjoyed Wonder Woman a lot too but Jared says you really need to stop before something bad happens. We can't let Bezos of the Fake News Amazon Post get away with it, Ok?"

"Mr. Trump? this is Mr Bolsonaro housekeeper, I am very sorry, Mr Bolsonaro just fell down flight of stairs with glass of whiskey and really badly hurt"

"Don't worry about it Corona! BYE!"

[OnlyRegret]

So, clear the air Occam, what exactly is your stance on eugenics and population control?

[Occam]

Wasn't I clear before? Eugenics is nonsense, both scientifically and ethically. Population growth control is imperative for the survival of the species and planet.

[OnlyRegret]

The farthest I can get on board with eugenics tend to be for stamping out severe genetically inherited conditions.
Not sterilization just gene therapy, gene editing ideally.

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I just want people to be able to raise healthy kids without being cursed by factors beyond their control.

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[Occam]

It's a slippery slope. Eugenics is the idea that you can (and should) increase the "quality" (who decides what constitutes "quality"?) of the gene pool.
Of course you don't want anyone to suffer or die prematurely. On the other hand, you absolutely don't want tailor made humans.
And from an evolutionary perspective, you never know which mutation could lead to which other mutation in the future that could prove to be extremely beneficial (or even essential) for human survival. Eugenics effectively ends evolution and freezes us in time.

[Nintex]

Eugenics means you're only left with the best people. 

[OnlyRegret]

Eugenics means you're only left with the best people. 

Then why are the proponents always for sure filtered out types
Checkmate d*tchman

[nachobro]

can we breed out dutch directness from the bloodline?

[Occam]

By the way, that's why Nazi racial theory is so dumb (aside from the fact that there are no separate human races): You want a diverse gene pool. You don't want a fucking monoculture where one single disease could wipe out the entire species.

[OnlyRegret]

can we breed out dutch directness from the bloodline?

Hang on, maybe this eugenics need a second consideration 

[Nintex]

By the way, that's why Nazi racial theory is so dumb (aside from the fact that there are no separate human races): You want a diverse gene pool. You don't want a fucking monoculture where one single disease could wipe out the entire species.

I wanted to post a picture of sad Xi Jinping in response but then Google throws a 500 error.

GOOGLE COWARDS 

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[jorma]

Why do I even engage.
80 years ago, you folks probably would have been Hitler-appeasers arguing against intervention.
Because deposing fascists to prevent genocide (or ecocide) apparently is fascism, too, or something.

"The German countryside Brazilian rainforest must be preserved under all circumstances, for it is and has forever been the source of strength and greatness of our people." -- Adolf Hitler

 

[OnlyRegret]

why you frogs gotta be such creeps 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/07/world/europe/france-pedophilia-gabriel-matzneff.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petition_against_age_of_consent_laws

[benjipwns]

Why do I even engage.
80 years ago, you folks probably would have been Hitler-appeasers arguing against intervention.
Because deposing fascists to prevent genocide (or ecocide) apparently is fascism, too, or something.

Who preemptively went to war with Nazi Germany with the declared goal of deposing the Nazis for any reason, let alone to stop genocide?

Czechoslovakia: invaded
Poland: invaded
France: declared war over Poland, invaded
Britain: declared war over Poland, "invaded"
Soviet Union: invaded
United States: Germany declared war after ally attacked

Even Italy was more "in the way" than anything else.

[Great Rumbler]

By the way, that's why Nazi racial theory is so dumb (aside from the fact that there are no separate human races): You want a diverse gene pool. You don't want a fucking monoculture where one single disease could wipe out the entire species.

I wanted to post a picture of sad Xi Jinping in response but then Google throws a 500 error.

GOOGLE COWARDS 

[BisMarckie]

Who preemptively went to war with Nazi Germany with the declared goal of deposing the Nazis for any reason, let alone to stop genocide?

Czechoslovakia: invaded
Poland: invaded
France: declared war over Poland, invaded
Britain: declared war over Poland, "invaded"
Soviet Union: invaded
United States: Germany declared war after ally attacked

Even Italy was more "in the way" than anything else.

FACT CHECK: San Marino declared war on the German Reich in 1915 and never signed a peace treaty, they knew the Germans were up to no good.

[benjipwns]

It seems Andorra and Costa Rica never ended their wars with the German Empire either.

[BisMarckie]

Given the state of the German army these days thanks in part to von der Leyen, Andorra might invade any day now.

[benjipwns]

Montenegro declared war in support of Russia but Montenegro lacked a navy or any other means to engage Japan. After Montenegro (independent in 1904, but united with Serbia by 1918) had voted in 2006 to resume its independence, it concluded a separate peace treaty in order to establish diplomatic relations with Japan. See Japan–Montenegro relations.

suck ups

[Occam]

Why do I even engage.
80 years ago, you folks probably would have been Hitler-appeasers arguing against intervention.
Because deposing fascists to prevent genocide (or ecocide) apparently is fascism, too, or something.

Who preemptively went to war

The crime against humanity that is the destruction of the Amazon is currently in progress. Stopping it from progressing further is not "preemptive".

[benjipwns]

What, exactly, is your proposal here? Are you proposing the elimination of Brazil's national sovereignty for the foreseeable future? What states are you calling on to engage in this extensive military invasion and occupation of one of the largest nations on Earth?

[OnlyRegret]

looks wild, I'm in

[benjipwns]

He's talking about amazon.com breh

I don't think they have a military. Yet.

[OnlyRegret]

He's talking about amazon.com breh

I don't think they have a military. Yet.

They've teched up to hurtle straight to the drone tree. They'll ramp up unit production afterwards.

[shosta]

The IMF is in Argentina now. It's clear that Fernandez literally has no plan and is trying to bullshit his way into a debt extension. Bold strategy 

[benjipwns]

Going to offer the Amazon and the Falklands as collateral.

[shosta]

offering the Amazon, a rainforest no portion of which lies in Argentina, would be an equally bold strategy

[Madrun Badrun]

offering the Falklands, an island group which has never belonged to Argentia except for a few years no one cares about, would be an equally equally bold strategy

[shosta]

They could offer to stop trying to take it over

[OnlyRegret]

LAS MALVINAS SON ARGENTINAS

[BisMarckie]

Italian campanilismo is truly crazy, but Greek nationalism is missing in that list. The Macedonia issue, still claiming Illyria after over 2000 years, the Greeks still try to revive ancient Greece.

[nachobro]

[EchoRin]

https://twitter.com/Dennes/status/1227861495381446656

 

[OnlyRegret]

belgium is also not a real country

[shosta]

https://twitter.com/Dennes/status/1227861495381446656

 

Only the criminals and the bums would be against what Franco Bolsonaro is doing!

[VomKriege]

Don't forget college intellectual truck drivers.

Edit : That's some word filter.

[Occam]

By the way, shouldn't the topic be updated? Brexit wasn't just ratified, it happened two weeks ago. Britain has left the European Union.

[Occam]

That's better.

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/OVargas52/status/1228309941175320577

 

[Great Rumbler]

Fade into Bolivian

[OnlyRegret]

https://twitter.com/VictoriaLIVE/status/1227899028391763968

[Raist]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-eu-airport-queue-immigration-brexiteer-amsterdam-airport-schiphol-a9335281.html

“Absolutely disgusting service at Schiphol airport. 55 minutes we have been stood in the immigration queue. This isn’t the Brexit I voted for,” he wrote on Twitter.

 

[shosta]

The Cayman Islands, a British overseas territory, is to be put on an EU blacklist of tax havens, less than two weeks after the UK’s withdrawal from the bloc.

[Occam]

[Pissy F Benny]

https://twitter.com/VictoriaLIVE/status/1227899028391763968

and people say the people who believe in the development and protection of a Jewish nation have no control over anything 

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[VomKriege]

Benjamin Griveaux, who served in Macron's cabinets and ran as the presidential party candidate in Paris for the mayor office (currently held by Socialists), rescinded his candidature after a masturbation video surfaced some days ago. The details are a bit murky, we don't know it's his dick (the media has decided on using "video of a sexual nature" without more details) but just leaving the race without a fight would suggest it is, that's something he sent to a woman he was consensually exchanging with reportedly (he's married), apparently it was leaked by a Russian "artist and activist" (he was arrested today for an alleged fight in a bar, he also tried to torch the facade of a bank to make a point some time ago) because he loathed the hypocrisy of the candidate. AFAIK it's not clear how he got ahold of the video.

Macron's party already had to contend with a dissident candidate (eccentric mathematician Villani) and polling indicates Griveaux was trailing behind incumbent Anne Hidalgo and the right-wing candidate Rachida Dati before the whole hubbub.

Punditry and media seem to fall squarely on the "unbecoming in a democracy, breach of privacy, mobs 2.0 are frightening" side of the argument.

[shosta]

That's an extremely weird take from the commentariat because if issues of decorum and ethics are still disqualifying, that means your nation is far, far away from the complete unraveling of civil society. Over here our sexual miscreants just keep running, esp. for president!

[Occam]

Is the word "Jews" changed to "fillers" now?

Edit: nope.

[OnlyRegret]

think of something more ziony

[team filler]

the cabal 

[VomKriege]

That's an extremely weird take from the commentariat because if issues of decorum and ethics are still disqualifying, that means your nation is far, far away from the complete unraveling of civil society. Over here our sexual miscreants just keep running, esp. for president!

French press have always (well not always, certainly since post war I guess) been very cautious (some might say slavishly deferential) with regards to the privacy of political figures. And honestly I would say most people here kinda shrug at most of that stuff. The potentially explosive bit of that dick video, IMHO, would be if it turned out the recipient wasn't as comfortable and consensual with it than currently assumed.