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Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
« Reply #1980 on: December 04, 2015, 12:48:57 PM »
There were the uprisings in '91, from Shiites in the south and Kurds in the north, which IIRC the first Bush administration encouraged through radio broadcasts, etc.  Saddam's forces stomped it out, and I think the no fly zone was a pretty direct result of this (to keep his forces from pursuing the Kurds).

But that's not really a case of blowback, since the groups involved were Kurdish forces and groups like SCIRI.  Those groups weren't sources of the insurgency after the second Iraqi War.

Yeah, those Shiites felt betrayed by the US for not supporting the rebellion it encouraged. The blowback here is not so much that US-trained fighters used those arms against the US, it's that they looked to Iran for support instead—especially during OIF.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
« Reply #1981 on: December 04, 2015, 12:50:07 PM »
There were the uprisings in '91, from Shiites in the south and Kurds in the north, which IIRC the first Bush administration encouraged through radio broadcasts, etc.  Saddam's forces stomped it out, and I think the no fly zone was a pretty direct result of this (to keep his forces from pursuing the Kurds).

But that's not really a case of blowback, since the groups involved were Kurdish forces and groups like SCIRI.  Those groups weren't sources of the insurgency after the second Iraqi War.

Yeah, those Shiites felt betrayed by the US for not supporting the rebellion it encouraged. The blowback here is not so much that US-trained fighters used those arms against the US, it's that they looked to Iranian for support instead—especially during OIF.

We're good at that whole encourage rebellions and run away shit. :snoop
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Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
« Reply #1982 on: December 04, 2015, 12:54:10 PM »
I mean i'm not going to do it for you. Perhaps you should go read about Saudi Arabia and the Gulf war a little bit. Just saying you sound pretty bad here. I am aware you get a boner trying to fuck with me but jesus man, at least ground it in some type of reality


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« Reply #1983 on: December 04, 2015, 12:55:11 PM »
I mean i'm not going to do it for you. Perhaps you should go read about Saudi Arabia and the Gulf war a little bit. Just saying you sound pretty bad here. I am aware you get a boner trying to fuck with me but jesus man, at least ground it in some type of reality


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Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
« Reply #1984 on: December 04, 2015, 12:55:45 PM »
"I bet you never knew Saudi Arabia had ties to ISIS!" is like an international politics version of "Did you know SMB2 isn't a real Super Mario game? They added Mario characters for the western version."  :doge

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« Reply #1985 on: December 04, 2015, 12:56:38 PM »
"I bet you never knew Saudi Arabia had ties to ISIS!" is like an international politics version of "Did you know SMB2 isn't a real Super Mario game? They added Mario characters for the western version."  :doge

Or sarcasm, but please put me in whatever narrative helps you sleep better at night. :heh
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« Reply #1986 on: December 04, 2015, 01:03:48 PM »
"I bet you never knew Saudi Arabia had ties to ISIS!" is like an international politics version of "Did you know SMB2 isn't a real Super Mario game? They added Mario characters for the western version."  :doge

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« Reply #1987 on: December 04, 2015, 01:07:13 PM »
This conversation has probably reached the internet point of no return, but...

AIA, you said that the US was training militia groups during the first Gulf War, who later turned against the US (presumably in the 00's Iraqi insurgency).  None of the three links you posted say anything at all like that.  If you do have a source for this, I'd actually be really interested to read it.  But you're mistaken if you think that nobody else here is familiar with the idea of blowback (especially Boogie, who was schooling people about Ghost Wars a decade ago).

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« Reply #1988 on: December 04, 2015, 01:17:06 PM »
RT and WashingtonsBlog :heh
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Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
« Reply #1991 on: December 07, 2015, 01:44:33 AM »
french elections are going great for the far right
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Well, expected sadly. FN polling on top nationally by a point is not that important by itself, although it is still a victory for them. It should be noted that they did so despite a slightly increased voter turnout, so it's gonna be harder to just handwave the thing as some sort of temper tantrum with no real deep ingrainment. "There's not <X>% of xenophobic, racists, fascists voters in France", there's totally is, the FN has been around long enough now, don't tell me people casting their votes are unaware of their platform.

They gathered the most voters in 6 regions out of 13 (regions were redesigned for this election from a previous 22) and do over 40% in North-Pas de Calais-Picardy & Provence-Alpes-Cote D'Azur, so they will probably win there regardless of any political deals going on (Socialist lists are to be pulled back already). Lead elsewhere is less substantial but when all is said and done they could very well take 4 to 6 regions total.

I haven't watched debate night because it's already depressing as it is and I already know that the issue will continue to be viewed through blinders. The far right is riding on the systemic economic problem (unemployment), what is perceived -not without some justification- as an imposed European integration process that mostly serve major economic interests with too few benefits and rights for the common citizen, the fossilization of the traditional parties and political system and a hefty amount of xenophobia and belief that they will be the Providential Men able to carry some amount of necessary shake up.

The last 2 are largely "unadressable" (I expect the providential aura to dispel quite a bit upon contact with real responsibilities) but all the others are real problems that the traditional parties are not adressing properly. And they will probably continue to do so until at least the next presidential election likely nasty results, which is the key and central event of politics here.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
« Reply #1993 on: December 08, 2015, 07:29:59 PM »
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/23/frankie-boyle-fallout-paris-psychopathic-autopilot
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You can’t get rid of an ideology by destroying its leaders; you’d think if there’s anything “Christian” countries should know, it’s that. Europe has rejected the death penalty on moral grounds, and yet we relax this view when it comes to a group who want to be martyred. You can’t bomb ideas.

Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
« Reply #1994 on: December 08, 2015, 07:51:34 PM »
Kandahar Airfield in Afghanistan (one of three major airfields left) attacked by the Taliban and the perimeter breached today for the first time since it was captured in 2001.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/09/world/asia/taliban-suicide-bombers-attack-base-in-kandahar-afghanistan.html

First the fall (and subsequent recapture) of Kunduz a couple months ago and now this. This Spring's fighting season should be interesting. Further troop reductions (from 10,000 to 5,500) have been delayed another year but not sure what that actually means for the security situation.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
« Reply #1995 on: December 09, 2015, 03:28:54 AM »
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/23/frankie-boyle-fallout-paris-psychopathic-autopilot

Could not he have strung a couple more clichés ?
I don't mind tearing apart eulogies and the like, but the whole "well Europe was picking its nose like a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow while the enlightened Islam 10 centuries ago was doing this or that...":smug when speaking of movements more than happy to blow up major archeological so called pagan sites would be pretty hilarious.

The same stock editorials on both sides over and over again.

* Well maybe they should have spent some of that knowledge on inventing heavy cavalry then.  :derp
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Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
« Reply #1996 on: December 09, 2015, 05:55:52 AM »
Frankie Boyle is an equal opportunity offender.

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« Reply #1997 on: December 09, 2015, 09:29:20 AM »
Great breakdown of the Venezuela disaster:


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Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
« Reply #1998 on: December 09, 2015, 09:41:08 AM »
Okay, sorry, but this one is too awesome to not include:


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 gays lgbt etc. have always been against socialism. They have always been on the side of imperialism. Look no further than the nazis. Look at present day far-right neonazis in Europe.
Lgbt activism etc. is a front for fascism. Any socialist party should dissociate themselves from any link to those that are pernicious to workers power.
You can include in this group femen (allied with ukrainian nazis), ecofascists, anarchists and trotskyists.
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 Wonder if the new government in Kiev has a LGBT representative?  Or whether NATO hawk Erdogan of Turkey is a great champion of gay marriage.

It wouldn't be so bad if the US was consistent in its Liberal critiques. Of course it applies them very selectively - mostly against countries that reject Liberal economics.

If a country Liberalizes its economy - then the other Liberal stuff can be put on ice (indefinitely) .
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Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
« Reply #2000 on: December 11, 2015, 03:34:55 PM »
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"Let’s give Saudi Arabia the world’s tiniest gold star for finally allowing women to vote"

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/25/9206197/saudi-women-vote

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Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
« Reply #2001 on: December 11, 2015, 04:14:44 PM »
Can't drive themselves to the polling place though...

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Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
« Reply #2002 on: December 11, 2015, 05:25:11 PM »
Can't drive themselves to the polling place though...
No need to be sexist and resort to stereotypes

Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
« Reply #2003 on: December 12, 2015, 12:31:52 AM »
Op-ed on Poland sounds a lot like Trump's US:

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The rise of these parties is symptomatic of the explosion of threatened majorities as a force in European politics. They blame the loss of control over their lives, real or imagined, on a conspiracy between cosmopolitan-minded elites and tribal-minded immigrants. They blame liberal ideas and institutions for weakening the national will and eroding national unity. They tend to see compromise as corruption and zealousness as conviction.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/12/opinion/why-poland-is-turning-away-from-the-west.html

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« Reply #2005 on: December 12, 2015, 01:00:19 AM »
I'm not clear on what exactly Russia's goals are in Syria. They expected to defeat IS in a few months by bombing mostly non-IS targets?



And to further confuse matters, Putin is now claiming that they are supporting the FSA. Is this just more "we have no plans to annex Crimea/there are no Russian soldiers in Ukraine" Jedi mind tricks or are they really arming the regime and the opposition?

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Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
« Reply #2006 on: December 12, 2015, 01:45:42 AM »
Didn't they say something about supporting an eventual handover from Assad to a new government? Maybe their plan is to get rid of opposition groups they disapprove of (ie: ISIS) and then with Assad's permission there's going to be some sort of elections. Basically get a new puppet.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
« Reply #2007 on: December 12, 2015, 03:16:34 AM »
Russia has its own plans and you will read about them in 50 years

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Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
« Reply #2008 on: December 12, 2015, 10:58:41 AM »
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« Reply #2009 on: December 12, 2015, 02:02:44 PM »
There has to be some lucrative natural resource they are looking to exploit. What else does Syria have to gain from displacing million of it's citizens and having multiple countries bombing cities into rubble?
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Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
« Reply #2010 on: December 12, 2015, 02:28:05 PM »
https://twitter.com/green_lemonnn/status/675657270454259713

Iran bringing planes in

Its going to be super interesting to read about this in 30 years and figure out what everyone was trying to do here.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
« Reply #2011 on: December 13, 2015, 05:57:10 PM »
Far right took no regions in the French elections when all was said and done. The short story is that the FN doesn't have any reserves to call upon in second round. We still have a major problem to deal with regardless, and their scores keep making progress in the long run. Also the whole Republican front (Socialist party pulled their lists in a couple regions and ask their voters to go vote for the right) thing is a loser's game as it continues to rob voters of a real choice and to play into the hands of the "They're all the same, we are the only real alternative" rhetoric.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
« Reply #2012 on: December 15, 2015, 02:25:11 AM »
I thought that Russia's spin was that they were bombing the rebels almost exclusively to bring "stability" so that then "allied forces" (whoever the fuck that will be) could shift to combat ISIS jointly.

I think that's what I heard on RT.

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« Reply #2013 on: December 15, 2015, 10:17:47 AM »
I thought that Russia's spin was that they were bombing the rebels almost exclusively to bring "stability" so that then "allied forces" (whoever the fuck that will be) could shift to combat ISIS jointly.

I think that's what I heard on RT.

Rotten Tomatoes is a good source, but was this tactic Confirmed Fresh?
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Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
« Reply #2014 on: December 15, 2015, 10:29:01 AM »
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/has-the-tenor-of-canada-ever-turned-this-fast/article27751222/

feel good Canadian circle jerk article that made me happy despite having no substance. 

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« Reply #2015 on: December 15, 2015, 10:55:49 AM »
Rotten Tomatoes is a good source, but was this tactic Confirmed Fresh?
It did much better with the Top Critics than the plebes.

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« Reply #2016 on: December 16, 2015, 04:35:06 AM »
Nice little write up on Germany's Defense Minister, Ursula von der Leyen, who could be the next Chancellor:

http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21679860-smiling-defence-minister-most-likely-candidate-succeed-angela-merkel-ursula-major

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Back in Hanover studying medicine, she met her husband, also a doctor, in the university choir. Together they moved to California for four years; Mrs von der Leyen still raves about America’s open-mindedness towards working women.

In a country with a woman head of state and a woman defense minister, she praises the US attitude towards working women. ???

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« Reply #2017 on: December 16, 2015, 04:38:10 AM »
Oh. OK.

"Saudi millionaire cleared of rape after claiming he fell and accidentally penetrated teenager"

http://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/saudi-millionaire-cleared-of-rape-after-claiming-he-fell-and-accidentally-penetrated


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« Reply #2018 on: December 16, 2015, 05:05:25 AM »
Maybe the case was too weak to prosecute for some reason like the victim refusing to testify or some error on the part of police/prosecutors?

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« Reply #2019 on: December 16, 2015, 05:39:35 AM »
Nice little write up on Germany's Defense Minister, Ursula von der Leyen, who could be the next Chancellor:

http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21679860-smiling-defence-minister-most-likely-candidate-succeed-angela-merkel-ursula-major

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Back in Hanover studying medicine, she met her husband, also a doctor, in the university choir. Together they moved to California for four years; Mrs von der Leyen still raves about America’s open-mindedness towards working women.

In a country with a woman head of state and a woman defense minister, she praises the US attitude towards working women. ???

for added effect: http://www.euronews.com/2015/12/14/un-experts-find-level-of-discrimination-against-women-in-us-shocking#.Vm1lZ4TTRts.facebook

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Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
« Reply #2020 on: December 16, 2015, 11:32:02 AM »

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« Reply #2021 on: December 16, 2015, 12:44:21 PM »
Oh, okay. Thanks.

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« Reply #2022 on: December 16, 2015, 01:25:32 PM »
She just has no chance. It's going to be Merkel again, despite the refugee controversy.

After Merkel retires von der Leyen will get her shot, because the CDU doesn't really have anyone else.

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« Reply #2023 on: December 16, 2015, 01:45:47 PM »
so, what you're saying is... she could be the next Chancellor   :smug

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« Reply #2024 on: December 16, 2015, 02:29:59 PM »
Fiiine, god. :noah

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Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
« Reply #2025 on: December 17, 2015, 11:26:42 AM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/12/17/denmark-wants-to-seize-jewelry-from-refugees/

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"It is pretty telling about the current Danish policies that [some] are not quite sure whether this is a hoax or not," said Zachary Whyte, an asylum and integration researcher at the University of Copenhagen. In this case, it's real.

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« Reply #2026 on: December 17, 2015, 12:16:04 PM »
Pile them up outside the shower. :doge

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« Reply #2027 on: December 17, 2015, 07:58:27 PM »
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_RUSSIA_US?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-12-15-16-01-54
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U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry on Tuesday accepted Russia's long-standing demand that President Bashar Assad's future be determined by his own people, as Washington and Moscow edged toward putting aside years of disagreement over how to end Syria's civil war.

"The United States and our partners are not seeking so-called regime change," Kerry told reporters in the Russian capital after meeting President Vladimir Putin.
After two years, the Munich moment has finally passed! :rejoice

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« Reply #2028 on: December 18, 2015, 12:37:32 AM »
so-called

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« Reply #2029 on: December 18, 2015, 01:12:46 AM »
US operators arrive in Libya on Monday, Libyan Air Force posts pictures of them on their Facebook page, nobody seems to know who invited them, Pentagon confirms they are American military and that they left:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/17/secret-us-mission-in-libya-revealed-after-air-force-posted-pictures





Mustache seems concerned his photo is being taken. I would be a little worried if I was the guy who was taking photos.

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« Reply #2030 on: December 18, 2015, 12:15:23 PM »
Hagel: The White House Tried to ‘Destroy’ Me
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In an exclusive interview, Chuck Hagel said the Obama administration micromanaged the Pentagon, stabbed him in the back on the way out -- and still has no strategy for fixing Syria.
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President Barack Obama wanted to speak with him.

It was Aug. 30, 2013, and the U.S. military was poised for war. Obama had publicly warned Syrian strongman Bashar al-Assad that his regime would face consequences if it crossed a “red line” by employing chemical weapons against its own people. Assad did it anyway, and Hagel had spent the day approving final plans for a barrage of Tomahawk cruise missile strikes against Damascus. U.S. naval destroyers were in the Mediterranean, awaiting orders to fire.

Instead, Obama told a stunned Hagel to stand down. Assad’s Aug. 21 chemical attack in a Damascus suburb had killed hundreds of civilians, but the president said the United States wasn’t going to take any military action against the Syrian government. The president had decided to ignore his own red line — a decision, Hagel believes, that dealt a severe blow to the credibility of both Obama and the United States.
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While Hagel preferred smaller meetings and one-on-one phone calls, the White House often summoned him to large Situation Room sessions with last-minute agendas sent out overnight or on the morning of the meeting.

The White House’s policy deliberations on Syria and other issues run by Rice and her deputies seemed to lead nowhere, according to Hagel.

“For one thing, there were way too many meetings. The meetings were not productive,” Hagel said. “I don’t think many times we ever actually got to where we needed to be. We kept kind of deferring the tough decisions. And there were always too many people in the room.”

At larger White House meetings, with some staffers in the room he did not even know, Hagel was reluctant to speak at length, fearing his stance would find its way into media reports. “The more people you have in a room, the more possibilities there are for self-serving leaks to shape and influence decisions in the press,” he said.

Instead, Hagel preferred to convey his views in weekly meetings he and then-Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey had with the president or in phone calls and meetings with Rice, Biden, or Secretary of State John Kerry.

In contrast, national security meetings led by the president were efficient and focused, with no time wasted on tangents, he said.

“We’d get in and get out,” Hagel said. “I eventually got to the point where I told Susan Rice that I wasn’t going to spend more than two hours in these meetings. Some of them would go four hours.”

But the same senior administration official defended the long National Security Council meetings, saying their length was only natural given the complexity of the security challenges facing the country: “It speaks to the rigorous policy process that we run.”

Hagel, however, said there was too much time spent on “nit-picky, small things in the weeds,” while larger questions were ignored. “We seemed to veer away from the big issues. What was our political strategy on Syria?”

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« Reply #2031 on: December 18, 2015, 02:28:30 PM »
To Hagel's defense, crowded and long meetings are terribly unproductive.  Too many Chiefs, not enough Indians syndrome.  That experience comes from planning systems and process deployments though, not foreign wars.  Same concept though, right??

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« Reply #2032 on: December 18, 2015, 02:30:50 PM »
To Hagel's defense, crowded and long meetings are terribly unproductive.  Too many Chiefs, not enough Indians syndrome.  That experience comes from planning systems and process deployments though, not foreign wars.  Same concept though, right??

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« Reply #2033 on: December 18, 2015, 02:33:16 PM »
To Hagel's defense, crowded and long meetings are terribly unproductive.  Too many Chiefs, not enough Indians syndrome.  That experience comes from planning systems and process deployments though, not foreign wars.  Same concept though, right??

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« Reply #2034 on: December 18, 2015, 02:38:11 PM »
Wow so I just googled it and apparently this is actually the common saying and I thought the common version was 'Too many chefs not enough cooks'.  That saying would not fly in Canada. 

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« Reply #2035 on: December 18, 2015, 02:49:40 PM »
  That experience comes from planning systems and process deployments though, not foreign wars.  Same concept though, right??
I'd imagine there's only minor differences, mainly in the required paperwork.

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« Reply #2036 on: December 18, 2015, 03:36:22 PM »
First and last enlisted man to SecDef  :'(

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« Reply #2037 on: December 20, 2015, 01:55:16 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/20/world/europe/norway-offers-migrants-a-lesson-in-how-to-treat-women.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

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Henry Ove Berg, who was Stavanger’s police chief during the spike in rape cases, said he supported providing migrants sex education because “people from some parts of the world have never seen a girl in a miniskirt, only in a burqa.” When they get to Norway, he added, “something happens in their heads.”

He said, “there was a link but not a very clear link” between the rape cases and the city’s immigrant community. According to the state broadcaster, NRK, which reviewed court documents, only three of 20 men found guilty in those cases were native Norwegians, the rest immigrants.

The claim that refugees and immigrants in general are prone to commit rape has become a main rallying cry of anti-migrant activists across Europe, with each case of sexual violence by a newcomer presented as evidence of an imported scourge.

The Rape Epidemic, which the police responded to by telling women not go out alone after dark, was at the time blamed on polish migrant laborers and this was justified by the police saying the rapes stopped without them doing anything in particular so it was probably ended by the rapists leaving the country. I guess focusing our racism on eastern european migrant workers seems a bit thin when we have all this news of brown muslims flooding the continent though, so a bit of revisionism is in order.

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« Reply #2038 on: December 20, 2015, 04:07:43 PM »
Iraqi government gave citizens of Ramadi 72 hours to vacate the city

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Re: International Politics Thread - Turkey ruins Thanksgiving
« Reply #2039 on: December 20, 2015, 04:41:24 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/20/world/europe/norway-offers-migrants-a-lesson-in-how-to-treat-women.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

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Henry Ove Berg, who was Stavanger’s police chief during the spike in rape cases, said he supported providing migrants sex education because “people from some parts of the world have never seen a girl in a miniskirt, only in a burqa.” When they get to Norway, he added, “something happens in their heads.”

He said, “there was a link but not a very clear link” between the rape cases and the city’s immigrant community. According to the state broadcaster, NRK, which reviewed court documents, only three of 20 men found guilty in those cases were native Norwegians, the rest immigrants.

The claim that refugees and immigrants in general are prone to commit rape has become a main rallying cry of anti-migrant activists across Europe, with each case of sexual violence by a newcomer presented as evidence of an imported scourge.

The Rape Epidemic, which the police responded to by telling women not go out alone after dark, was at the time blamed on polish migrant laborers and this was justified by the police saying the rapes stopped without them doing anything in particular so it was probably ended by the rapists leaving the country. I guess focusing our racism on eastern european migrant workers seems a bit thin when we have all this news of brown muslims flooding the continent though, so a bit of revisionism is in order.

People gonna keep acting like rapists don't capitalize on class/racial warfare by picking certain targets or doing crimes when it's likely someone else will be blamed.