1,000+ Pages of NeoGAF: The Story of Wasted Lives and Hardcore Salt

[Himu]

Tintin ain't french

Right, I threw in some Belgian due to Franco-Belgian comics. It was still originally published in France, thus giving France a +1 towards GOATship.

[mormapope]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1042372

Take this entire thread and its users, make them work at amiboo factories until they're close to starvation. Then feed them mario and nintendo branded candies and cereals, make them go back to work.

[Kara]

Ouiaboo 

This is totally how I'm describing myself from now on.

[mormapope]

Strong people are born beautiful.

[WanderingWind]

The Marvel comics fuckery isn't even just confusing to casual readers. I have no fucking idea what is going on with all of that horseshit either.

[Nibel]

The Marvel comics fuckery isn't even just confusing to casual readers. I have no fucking idea what is going on with all of that horseshit either.

I scrolled through that OP and when I realized I was scrolling for 10 minutes already I closed the window

[fistfulofmetal]

The Marvel comics fuckery isn't even just confusing to casual readers. I have no fucking idea what is going on with all of that horseshit either.

Most of the editors for the company don't even know what the fuck is going on either.

[Supermanisdead]

Marvel has been shit ever since they let Avengers stans take over the editing jobs.

[Kara]

Is that before or after the Rob Liefeld Attitude Era? Because that was terrible too.

I'm actually at a loss for a good Marvel era in my life, tbh.

[Rahxephon91]

 I enjoy the inter connected universe. Reading Hickman's awesome run only made me want to read the other books so I could know what was happening. Even if I didn't it's not like I couldn't simply wiki it or interact with it other ways. Made everything more immersive anyway. Since the current Avengers has been fantastic as has plenty of other Marvel stuff, I'm pretty happy with it.

Also it's not like you can't read things like Daredevil, Ms Marvel, Captian Marvel, plenty of X-men(though why would you they all suck), and what not that stand on thier own.

Plus Marvel is'nt the only thing going on. I've been trying to get into Valiant Comics thanks to thier booth guys selling it hard at C2E2. Seems decent.

Yeah I guess image's comics still are built around nerd genres and don't offer the variety of Japanese manga. Still things like Phonogram and whatnot aren't like anything like what Marvel puts out. SAGA(I'm almost tired of mentioning this book), Jupiter's Legacy, Copperhead, East of West, Velvet, Lazarus, The Wicked and the Divine, Rocket Girl, Fatale, The Fade out, Nowhere Men, Black Science, and many more are all very good worthwhile comics.

And how about that Zott?

There's also american comic classics like Kings in Disguise and Mause that are so far removed from the Superhero stuff?

What about the Hernandez brothers' Love and Rockets?

There's clearly plenty of stuff out there.

I can't stand Japan so I don't read any manga. Just Gundam The Origin. The Incal and Peresepolis are the only French Comics I've read with Peresepolis being pretty fantastic.

[Jansen]

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1042543

reads like viral marketing

oh wait its bruceleeroy

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1041730

lol, ban't

[mormapope]

He was banned
 

Guess being a forum member is harder than a Souls game astro boy.

[nachobro]

...an sfeg was banned? i'm legitimately surprised.

bruceleeroy was king of the free pr bitches too 

[Phoenix Dark]

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=162913711&postcount=66


would love to see a correlation chart between "I don't drink alcohol because I value my sober mind" GAF and "I'd drink this videogame wine if it was real!" GAF.

[thisismyusername]

He was banned
 

Probably because he remade the thread after "Modbot" told him "no."

[Jansen]

I like how the chef was right there to congratulate bruceleeroy on that thread. it's funny cuz if you were on gaf years ago it was found out that they both work for the same company

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=163095895&postcount=5610

[mormapope]

Probably because he remade the thread after "Modbot" told him "no."

Definitely, why he chose to do it again makes no sense.

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=163091140&postcount=14

What does this mean?

[Jansen]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=340420

this shit takes me back

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[suppadoopa]

Are souls games even fun™?

[Jansen]

I think they're great but the superfans are obnoxious as fuck

[Kara]

From Software Rule 2 - Don't Force Lore on Players, but make it rewarding for those that do.

Metal Wolf Chaos lol

[mormapope]

Are souls games even fun™?

Yes. The difficulty is overblown, shit can be difficult without any prior knowledge or experience, the storylines and atmosphere shit on most Eastern and Western videogame attempts at fantasy. Co-op is really fun, PVP is flaming nuclear garbage.

The games are great, their significance and their merits are overrated and overstated.

[pilonv1]

Tin Tin is from Belgium Himu, get it right

[suppadoopa]

Also, where's my shilling for Armored Core   

[Kara]

Tin Tin is from Belgium Himu, get it right

Is he one of those Walloon things Flemish people want to keep after breaking up their 19th century nation-state like Eddy Merckx?

[Supermanisdead]

Is that before or after the Rob Liefeld Attitude Era? Because that was terrible too.

I'm actually at a loss for a good Marvel era in my life, tbh.

Post-Liefeld. Around 2000 When they let Chris Claremont and Warren Ellis sink the X-books and then gave it to ~cool~ dudes with hetero-normative agendas like Morrison, Millar and Casey. Suddenly Cyclops was cool and Storm was being pawned off to man after man. Feminism died with New X-Men issue 114. :'(

[Mr. Nobody]

Is that before or after the Rob Liefeld Attitude Era? Because that was terrible too.

I'm actually at a loss for a good Marvel era in my life, tbh.

Post-Liefeld. Around 2000 When they let Chris Claremont and Warren Ellis sink the X-books and then gave it to ~cool~ dudes with hetero-normative agendas like Morrison, Millar and Casey. Suddenly Cyclops was cool and Storm was being pawned off to man after man. Feminism died with New X-Men issue 114. :'(

For the greater good tbh

[thisismyusername]

Is that before or after the Rob Liefeld Attitude Era? Because that was terrible too.

I'm actually at a loss for a good Marvel era in my life, tbh.

Post-Liefeld. Around 2000 When they let Chris Claremont and Warren Ellis sink the X-books and then gave it to ~cool~ dudes with hetero-normative agendas like Morrison, Millar and Casey. Suddenly Cyclops was cool and Storm was being pawned off to man after man. Feminism died with New X-Men issue 114. :'(

?

Warren Ellis' Astonishing X-men wasn't that bad, and that was 2004 wasn't it? Or 2005, after Whedon's "reboot" for Astonishing.

[Rahxephon91]

Is that before or after the Rob Liefeld Attitude Era? Because that was terrible too.

I'm actually at a loss for a good Marvel era in my life, tbh.

Post-Liefeld. Around 2000 When they let Chris Claremont and Warren Ellis sink the X-books and then gave it to ~cool~ dudes with hetero-normative agendas like Morrison, Millar and Casey. Suddenly Cyclops was cool and Storm was being pawned off to man after man. Feminism died with New X-Men issue 114. :'(

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Warren Ellis' Astonishing X-men wasn't that bad, and that was 2004 wasn't it? Or 2005, after Whedon's "reboot" for Astonishing.

He's referring to Counter X.

Though I remember X-man and Generation X being alright. Some of the X-Force stuff was cool. Liked seeing Pete Wisdom again.

It was a lot better then Casey and his mutant prostitute and other terrible shit.

Though I don't know what he's talking about feminism dieing with New X-men 114?

Storm is'nt in New-X-men or Uncanny X-men. She leads X-Treme X-men written by Claremont which continues to write her as alpha female goddess. Also includes Sage and Rogue at some of thier best relative to now. Of course New X-men has some of the best Jean Grey and Emma Frost stuff.

[OnlyRegret]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=163040707#post163040707

Consoles

[thisismyusername]

Ah, right, Forgot Counter-X. Anything before Transmetro for Ellis is a bit of a blank on me. 

[thisismyusername]

Demi plz.

[Supermanisdead]

Storm, Rogue, Psylocke and Sage were shunted off to some sideshow nonsense - where Psylocke immediately died (run through with a sword, no less). Every arc was about another villain marrying Storm and nonsense like that lawyer who could turn into a dragon. Meanwhile Jean Grey was some shrill house marm, Husk was a slobbering bimbo and Emma Frost was generic soap opera ""empowered"" woman villain. The only decently written women in all 3.5-ish years of Morrison's tyranny were Tattoo and Angel Salvatore. It's a shame Chris Claremont spent 16 years turning the X-Men into the X-Womyn and it was all undone by one rabid Cyclops fanboy.

[Eel O'Brian]

Lots of great Marvel stuff in the mid-to-late 80s, probably their high point for me

Death of Jean Dewolff, Elektra: Assassin, Alien Legion, Wolverine mini, Punisher mini, the Epic line, Byrne FF, X-Men before Claremont decided he'd rather be writing straight prose. They weren't afraid to experiment, either. Then Secret Wars sold a lot of comics and toys, and that was the beginning of the Marvel Event Factory.

[Mr. Nobody]

Is that before or after the Rob Liefeld Attitude Era? Because that was terrible too.

I'm actually at a loss for a good Marvel era in my life, tbh.

Post-Liefeld. Around 2000 When they let Chris Claremont and Warren Ellis sink the X-books and then gave it to ~cool~ dudes with hetero-normative agendas like Morrison, Millar and Casey. Suddenly Cyclops was cool and Storm was being pawned off to man after man. Feminism died with New X-Men issue 114. :'(

?

Warren Ellis' Astonishing X-men wasn't that bad, and that was 2004 wasn't it? Or 2005, after Whedon's "reboot" for Astonishing.

I remember Ellis' Astonishing run being shockingly boring 

[Rahxephon91]

Storm, Rogue, Psylocke and Sage were shunted off to some sideshow nonsense - where Psylocke immediately died (run through with a sword, no less). Every arc was about another villain marrying Storm and nonsense like that lawyer who could turn into a dragon. Meanwhile Jean Grey was some shrill house marm, Husk was a slobbering bimbo and Emma Frost was generic soap opera ""empowered"" woman villain. The only decently written women in all 3.5-ish years of Morrison's tyranny were Tattoo and Angel Salvatore. It's a shame Chris Claremont spent 16 years turning the X-Men into the X-Womyn and it was all undone by one rabid Cyclops fanboy.

Huh?

Only the overly long "Invasion" arc is about a dude wanting to marry Storm and it's hardly the first time Claremont has written villains are obsessed with Storm/female character. It happen all the time during his run in the 80s. It dosen't change the fact that the entire thing is used by Storm as a way for her to win. Most of the arcs where Storm going off on her own adventures or leading her own X-men not carrying about what was happening with everyone else.

Also X-treme X-men was the first time Sage actually did anything since it was only revealed she was an actual character of interest a few issues ago.

It was a shame Rogue was taken off being leader, but she was an actual main character in X-Treme X-men.

Some sideshow nonsense X-treme X-men was, but it's not like anyone wanted to use them other then Claremont and it's sure better then what Austen would eventually do to them.


What happen to Husk is under Austen so that's something else.

I'm not sure how Emma Frost was a generic soap opera empowered women since the entire point of this era was how she herself built her own power. She played bitchy but she was written as actually being far more then that. She was never played as a villain either so I don't know what your talking about. Morrison wrote her as a very clever, smart, and ambitious character who was a little insecure.

Also that's completely wrong about Jean Grey. She was anything other then a shrill house girl. She was practically the leader and for once more then Cyclops wife as she had been written during the 90s. She was leading the X-men, taking care of the school while Cyclops was messed up and distant and Xavier was gone, she had actual reservations about her distant relationship with Scott, she was actually taking a large interest in X-Corporation, and she was becoming the Phoenix again and actually embracing it. There's an awesome issue where she basically protects the entire school by herself. She was the one written as the strong one in the relationship, not Cyclops. I mean Cyclops is written as a very weak and broken character during all of New X-men.

[Himu]

I enjoy the inter connected universe. Reading Hickman's awesome run only made me want to read the other books so I could know what was happening. Even if I didn't it's not like I couldn't simply wiki it or interact with it other ways. Made everything more immersive anyway. Since the current Avengers has been fantastic as has plenty of other Marvel stuff, I'm pretty happy with it.

I appreciate self-contained stories with dedicated staff where the actions and world have gravitas on the storytelling. This Secret Wars event feels pointless, because we all know it will back to the status quo. Falcon as Captain America is pointless because we all know Captain America will come back.

Also it's not like you can't read things like Daredevil, Ms Marvel, Captian Marvel, plenty of X-men(though why would you they all suck), and what not that stand on thier own.

Not ENTIRELY true!



That said, yeah. Those are Marvel books I stick to. X-Men confuses the fuck out me currently as well. You have the 60's X-Men in the future, X-Men '92, all this bullshit. So confusing. So pointless. That's why I like Marvel Now a lot. I don't buy DC Comics except Batgirl unless they're Vertigo. I'm interested in getting back into Wonder Woman because of this badass cover.




But I'm not sure how much Cataclysm horse crap I will have to suffer through.

Yeah I guess image's comics still are built around nerd genres and don't offer the variety of Japanese manga. Still things like Phonogram and whatnot aren't like anything like what Marvel puts out. SAGA(I'm almost tired of mentioning this book), Jupiter's Legacy, Copperhead, East of West, Velvet, Lazarus, The Wicked and the Divine, Rocket Girl, Fatale, The Fade out, Nowhere Men, Black Science, and many more are all very good worthwhile comics.

If you read what I wrote, you'd know I'm a fan of many of those comics and Image in general. For my money, Image is the best comics publisher currently. They are leaps and bounds above Marvel and DC.

There's also american comic classics like Kings in Disguise and Mause that are so far removed from the Superhero stuff?

When I was talking about American comics, I was mostly the kind that you find in comic book shops. The typical American comic. For what it's worth, I'm a huge newspaper comic fan, and I unironically think that comics like Crankshaft and Funky Winkerbean are better than the bulk of what DC and Marvel has to offer, and those were the comics I grew up on, along with For Better Or For Worse (Canadian), Calvin and Hobbes, Peanuts, and more.

I think that, overall, of the comic type we're talking about, DC got it best when it came to specific comics. Alan Moore's comics in particular are a great example. Comics like V for Vendetta and From Hell are fantastic in the area I'm talking about: self contained stories that have a beginning and end. I think they've done excellent work with the Vertigo line as well. Vertigo kicks ass for all the reasons above. Currently reading The Names, Janes in Love, and starting on Fables. So yeah, there's plenty of stuff. But they are almost exceptions for me. For me, all of this big event talk is exactly why I stopped reading comics in the early 2000's. It was then I started to branch out and get into French and Japanese comics. French and Japanese comics are basically what got me to LOVE comics, so I have a clear open bias here, and we all have preferences. That said, Marvel at least, is doing a fantastic job with Marvel Now and making it appeal to people like me who do not give a fuck about event stories and just want self contained stories. So I tend to stick to graphic novels like Maus, American Born Chinese, Palestine, that sort of thing.

I can't stand Japan so I don't read any manga. Just Gundam The Origin. The Incal and Peresepolis are the only French Comics I've read with Peresepolis being pretty fantastic.

Surprised you can't japan when you like jrpgs and have Lady as an avatar but I won't question it.

For French comics, I'd suggest the following:

- XIII (though it's Belgian)
- The Metabarons (new collection just came out, is Jodorowsky)
- Asterix
- Nicopolis trilogy (Bilal)

Jodorowsky, Bilal are beasts of French comics. Since you liked Incal, check out them and Moebius.

Further, check out Humanoids Publishing: http://www.humanoids.com/

[agrajag]

BruceLeeRoy and Chef both were avid posters in FitGAF and are both shredded brahs. It's a conspiracy I say!

[Kara]

Nu 52 wasn't that bad when I was big on it. Shit books like Red Lanterns or Suicide Squad that I liked were mostly left to their own devices and you had stuff like Captain Atom which almost ignored the universe completely. (The antagonist of Atom is Atom in the future.) Scrubs like Aquaman got series that folks raved about too.

Waaaay better than Marvel Now.

[Mr. Nobody]

Himu read Azzarello's Wonder Woman instead

the Finch run is no good

[Himu]

Nu 52 wasn't that bad when I was big on it. Shit books like Red Lanterns or Suicide Squad that I liked were mostly left to their own devices and you had stuff like Captain Atom which almost ignored the universe completely. (The antagonist of Atom is Atom in the future.) Scrubs like Aquaman got series that folks raved about too.

Waaaay better than Marvel Now.

Disagree. I think Marvel Now and New 52 were even steven. Ms Marvel, Daredevil, Hawkeye, She-Hulk were and are all

BATGIRL

[Mr. Nobody]

When Red Lanterns got that Soule stimulus package though 

[Himu]

Swamp Thing and Animal Man





The problem with New 52 is that everything went to the status quo pretty fast. We had a new, traditional costume less Superman, who went after corporations, engaging the SOCIALIST AGENDA, who was still weak and still wasn't faster than bullet trains, and within 10 isses, he's back in his old suit saving the world from Brainiac again. So it's more of a mixed bag than Marvel Now, but some of the titles in New 52 are so it's worth it.

[Kara]

As a rule I stay away from any big name hero books, the closest I came in Nu 52 was the Flash (and Batwoman ) so what I say probably has no bearing wrt those.

[Mr. Nobody]

Travel Foreman's art 

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[Himu]

Yeah, avoiding big name books in DC seems to be a pretty good idea, especially if it's Superman or Batman related. Their spin offs, like Batgirl or Batwoman tend to be worth it.

[Tasty]

Nu 52 wasn't that bad when I was big on it. Shit books like Red Lanterns or Suicide Squad that I liked were mostly left to their own devices and you had stuff like Captain Atom which almost ignored the universe completely. (The antagonist of Atom is Atom in the future.) Scrubs like Aquaman got series that folks raved about too.

Waaaay better than Marvel Now.

New 52 gets shit on way too much.

And I say this as someone whose favorite character got butchered by it.

[parallax]

for all the talk about capes being lame, mangas follow the same damn tropes that other mangas follow.

Not true at all. Shounen (One Piece) and shoujo (Sailor Moon) are very different from say, seinen (Lone Wolf and Cub), and josei (Nana). There's definitely similarities between certain genres, but compare, say, Slam Dunk (shounen) to Nausicaa (shounen), and Jojo (shounen together) and you've got some widely varied stories. Unless you mean the fighting manga (DB, OP, Naruto) formula? Even then, compare seinen; Berserk, Natusuko's Sake, and Sanctuary are nothing alike. Compare to cape books, and they follow a basic similar structure. There's differences in story and themes, but they follow the same idea. Further, I'd say comparing shounen to cape books doesn't do shounen justice, because cape books are just cape books, while shounen encapsulates many different stories - as highlighted above - than just your typical Dragon Ball fight formula.

Where do martial arts manga like Yawara, Teppu, Haiime no Ippo fall in to this? What about romance like Kare Kano, Maison Ikkoku, or Kimagure Orange Road?

All of these genres and titles I mentioned intersect. While Slam Dunk is a shounen manga, it is also a manga not about fighting and power levels but High School basketball.

Your premise that manga all follows the same tropes, in defense of cape books (the majority of comics you will find at an comic store) is completely off base.

shonen and shoujo series have the same basic tropes for their given categories. with shonen its often main characters with something special about them that fall into worlds larger than anything theyve imagined, and and they rise, fail, and eventually overcome obstacles to meet their goals. theres training arcs, tournament arcs, vacation chapters, misunderstandings over inane shit, getting completely blown away by an enemy/rival to learn character limitations. shoujo has weak/clumsy female protagonists, prince charming like male romance leads, male harems with men of all types that all desire the main female. and internal growth. seinen and josei are more diverse than those categories true, but im not gonna pretend like manga is some comic sect that favors originality.

Where did I say manga favor originality? I think some manga has a lot of tropes, certainly. But many types of stories are easily avoidable. If you don't like harem manga, you can avoid it. Fan of sports manga? Read that instead of power level shit. If you want to read Rose of Versailles instead of your standard ditzy Sailor Moon shoujo you can. Why read shounen or shoujo at all unless they're One Piece? Those are for teenagers. If you want, you can just stick to seinen or jousei. If you want alternative American comics, you are limited to graphic novels, Image, Oni, IDW, and Dark Horse, and most of those (especially ODW and Dark Horse) is still super hero shit.

With American comics you mostly cannot do that unless you're talking about web comics. The bulk of American Comics are DC and Marvel. Go to any comic shop and that's 95% worth getting. There's Image, Oni Press, and alternative comic pubs, but let's be honest. Those are just a few companies. Compared to entire genres? Manga wins out every time.

And complaining about those tropes sounds pretty redundant given the bulk of American comics are about young men who got into an accident, their parents were killed, or both, who has to rise up to the responsibility of their new abilities for the good mankind as they battle between the small - small time alley robbers - to the big - intergalactic aliens! Pretty much every cape book has that set up. Shounen by comparison, is far more varied. These books have no plot, stories are done story to story without much consequence, reboots and retcons are common. Character development is often static: what kind of person is Superman now? Oh the same Superman he always has been. How many times has Batman fought the Joker? How man times does that story really need to be told? This is why Spider-Man was as good as it was. Stories are connected, forcing you to shell out dough for multiple books instead of just having one goddamn story, within one goddamn comic, with one goddamn writer and artist. If you want to avoid the stupid big events like Secret Wars? You can't. Because it invades every book. Thankfully there's exceptions.

Most people would agree too. Marvel and DC's monopoly is thankfully declining.

http://www.digitalspy.com/comics/news/a542623/marvel-dc-comics-see-declining-market-share.html

im not complaining about tropes. i was calling out the manga you chose as if they were special beyond their popularity. i was pointing out despite the fact that despite their popularity, they fall in line with basic shonen/shoujo tropes. not saying its a bad thing, but theres obvious themes in play in all of them even if they arent battle series. shokugeki no soma and eyeshield 21 being a sports and cooking series fall into standard shonen tropes. i recognize the tropes that capes fall into, and ive never denied that. but dismissing the whole genre, while praising manga as a whole is asinine.

[benjipwns]

The more issues they print the more they sell, unfortunately. Casual readers be damned.

DC does the same shit too for the record. Countdown to Final Crisis was horrendous.

52 on the other hand...

Actually the best part about Countdown is how little it (AND Death of the New Gods) actually has to do with what happens in Final Crisis. So Johns and Morrison wrote that DC Universe #0 to explain the shit that actually mattered over the last year in DC Comics.

Plus how Dan DiDio originally said it was 52 "done right" 

Crossovers are one of the worst things in comics and why I'll never be a regular reader of any popular comic / comic with writing aimed at persons over age 12. I remember reading Manhunter a few years ago--the one with the divorcee big city lawyah as the titular heroine--and the book is doing it's own thing, chugging along, and then BAM the post-Infinite Crisis event happens and forces an unnecessary time dilation on the story and a fuck awful tie-in where Manhunter defends Wonder Woman. (I read She-Hulk too.) The fuck DC, this is literally a D+ tier book and you dragged it into an A lister event. Why.

Manhunter did have a good reboot going there. The book bombed though, the reason it got tied into Identity and Infinite Crisis was to keep the series going past 25 issues. Kate later showed up in Streets of Gotham to get it cancelled and then Birds of Prey as it got cancelled and then JSA as it headed towards cancellation for Flashpoint.

My solution for crossovers was just to read it all years later. Originally in the trades. But now, like a few years ago when I downloaded this thing called "COMPLETE CHRONOLOGICAL DC CRISES + TIE-INS" which was a lot better than the "COMPLETE CHRONOLOGICAL MARVEL CIVIL WAR + TIE-INS" I downloaded at the same time.

Greg Rucka

OMAC Project, Gotham Central, Checkmate, best run of Wonder Woman in ages until maybe the New 52 version, Stumptown, Queen and Country 

(The antagonist of Atom is Atom in the future.)

All because of a plot leak 25 years ago. 

[benjipwns]

So the UK right is winning off welfare cutting, xenophobic policies and less international cooperation.

Meanwhile we continue our general leftward drift nationally, with the national left leaning party, extremely pro immigrant, flirting with expanded benefits (Min wage, early education, paid leave, Community College, etc). We're gonna cross streams soon.

I think it might have to ultimately become Canada/Europe's version of conservatives who just want to move forward slowly v liberals who want to move forward quickly, instead of the regressive republicans that we see today.

It's interesting how the English-speaking world is decaying, with maybe the exception of blue-state America. When I visit any of the Great Lake or Midwestern States, there are a lot of dieing towns and collapsed barns - even the cities there are worse than they have ever been.

With Finland and UK possibly going full austerity, It's probably going to be easier to recite European countries that haven't went to shit.

GAF. AH-AHHHH! Analysis of politics!

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He's for everyone of us!
Stands for everyone of us!
He saves with a mighty hand!
Every man every woman!
Every child-he's a mighty!
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[Kara]

benji-kun, since you like Queen & Country (I do too, not shade throwing), I have to recommend that you NEVER watch The Sandbaggers. Rucka-sama pretty much aped whole chunks of it for Q&C. :'(

[benjipwns]

Greg Rucka, novelist and creator of the comic book espionage series Queen & Country, has said that the comic book is consciously inspired by The Sandbaggers and is in a sense a "quasi-sequel".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sandbaggers#Queen_.26_Country

This is a great explanation if he came up with it after the fact. 

Everyone and his brother hypes Gotham Central now, but OMAC + Checkmate was his godtier run in DC for me. I can't believe how fast that series went downhill and got cancelled when he left. How do you fuck up A GLOBAL SUPERHERO SPY AGENCY?!? starring half of the bad ass characters in the DC universe and even outplaying Batman multiple-times because it has no silly ethical code.

[Kara]

It's the price you pay for loving unloved DC books.

[benjipwns]

One of my favorite parts of Old 52 DC was how everyone knew Amanda Waller was the ultimate shit-bag but pretended like she wasn't and that whoever they're talking to hadn't learned it yet.

[benjipwns]

The New 52 one's practically a hero, also...

[doctavius bonbon]

bottom left panel is definitely making a case for og waller

[benjipwns]

Not enough meltdowns in UK election thread. But there was this:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=163143844&postcount=10241

Zero hours is legalized slavery. The power is entirely with the employers and zero power from the employees. Sounds very Marxist imo

This one was kinda funny in its meaninglessness stated as if some powerful fact:

Essentially UK will be doing what it has best done for hundreds of years, sticking to its own interests above other countries.

EDIT: Spoke too soon, maybe it's starting: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=163144987&postcount=10287

Are all you Tories voters rich? If so good for you, if not go fuck yourself.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=163145524&postcount=10318

the bitterness exists because the tory party has been allowed to get away with mismanaging the economy for five years and lying through their teeth about it the whole time; and their punishment for this massive deception of the british public is another five years in power, giving them a chance to dismantle almost all of the things that the british left wing hold dear and to cement the distortion of british political discourse and ensure continued tory rule into the foreseeable future

this election loss is probably the biggest setback to the british left wing in a generation, and it happened because the tories were allowed to lie for years, completely unchecked

that's why we're bitter.

EDIT2: Trying too hard: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=163147681&postcount=10428

It's going to be horrific. Really can't see how people voted Tory. Probably going to be a fire sale of whatever government assets are left so their cronies can make a quick buck or two. That's after they cut aid and help to the most vulnerable in society whilst blaming them for everything and papering over the cracks of failed capitalism.

Okay, minor chuckle at the idea that the UK government has any assets worth buying. Unless they're counting the royal assets. (lol ya rite)

This one is decent: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=163147795&postcount=10435

Putting aside the deficit, I'm more worried about what this all means for equality in this country.

Equality for women, for disabled people and for LGBT people. Are the poorest and people in poverty going to suffer even more from these extra welfare cuts? What about the gap between rich and poor?

I'm worried that this is going to slow down Britain's progression as a society and a culture.

EDIT3: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=163148980&postcount=10497

My wife is utterly gutted, she's convinced this is going to lead to something terrible. We were planning on starting a family very soon, so I can understand why she's worried about the NHS and Nursery support.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=163149046&postcount=10502

European referendum is going to be awful. Lots of utter fearing mongering tripe is going to be spouted by ukip and other uninformed idiots and they are likely to sway the now obviously stupid public to leave Europe

Sad sad day for English politics. People will look back in 5 years and realise what madness it was to vote a majority Tory government.

[nudemacusers]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=163147990&postcount=10766

 

[Joe Molotov]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=163147990&postcount=10766

 

Friends don't let friends watch Sword Art Online.

[bluemax]

My problem with New 52 is that it seemed to poop on the awesome premise of Batman Inc right as Batman Inc got really good. I got so confused as to how it all fit in with New 52 that I just checked out.

I think I read one of the Court of the Owl storylines.

PT was lightning in a bottle anyways. The AAA retail follow up would most likely have been a letdown anyways.

I'm too lazy to go through my own posts, but a few days ago when this whole PT brouhaha started some NeoGAF clown called PT an important moment in HISTORY. Not gaming history, not PS4 history, not Konami history but ALL OF FUCKING HISTORY.

Look I'm pretty sure most anyone I talk to will remember where they were on 9/11, but I think I'd be hard fucking pressed to find even 1 person who played PT.