Mike Brown shooting thread - No indictment! Get out and protest!

[Himu]

This doesn't anger you Phoenix?

[benjipwns]

the medical examiner, Dr. Michael M. Baden

[Boogie]

I can't imagine someone charging after a couple bullets, especially one in the chest unless they're on PCP or the Hulk.

It's not uncommon at all.  Pistol rounds don't drop you automatically like in the movies, unless and until a bullet hits something vital, there's absolutely nothing stopping a motivated individual from fighting through some gunshot wounds.

I don't think it plants someone to the ground but I don't see someone being able to charge like was described. I realize adrenaline is a hell of a thing but I'm skeptical.

I am not making any claims about what happened in this case, but your skepticism is based on ignorance.

[Himu]

The national guard has been called for numerous American protests, and since the local police is incompetent, they need a federal take over.

So you want Ferguson under martial law? fair enough.

either way @ Jay Nixon and the PD for letting this continue on.


And that doesn't make Obama a coon or a pussy...

It does make his leadership ineffectual. He can go all out for anything from Iraq, to Syria, to undocumented people, but can't lay down the law in a clear abuse of power on American soil?

And he's not a wimp, how?

[Madrun Badrun]

This doesn't anger you Phoenix?

I think what PD is saying is your anger isn't constructive to anything.


Also you are going to be sorely disappointed when nothing changes after this at all.  I'm predicting that if the cop gets charged, he'll get off and there will be another protest/riot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Miami_riots

[seagrams hotsauce]

Man, CNN fucking blows. They're interviewing a staffer, and he mentioned that he saw muzzle flashes and heard shots. The talking head in the studio interjects to say "Just to be clear, this is very important, you're saying they're shooting at the police?" as the banner reads "CNN Staffer:Shots fired at police". He responds, "No, absolutely not." He goes on for a while and she jumps back in to ask "Are you SURE you didn't see anyone shooting at the police?" The thirst to demonize people on the streets is incredible

[Himu]

It does make his leadership ineffectual.

Well then call him a weak leader

I'm not gonna tell you when to judge someone a 'race traitor' or not because that's your call but i can't STAND the use of the word coon or any other equivalents in other languages/cultures. It's a way of stifling debate and an easy way out for people on polar extremes to shit on moderates. Obama is not a 'coon', he's the President of the United States and one that endures more scrutiny than any previous due to his race.

THIS is cooning:

I'm not thinking right. I don't normally call anyone a pussy or a coon. I'm sorry, I was wrong. I'm just pissed and feel weak.

[Phoenix Dark]

This doesn't anger you Phoenix?

Yes, but not to a point of babbling. Again, my views on these issues tend to come from a perspective of expectation, not shock. This is reality, it's happened before and will happen again; hell, like 2-3 black and white people were unjustly killed by police since Brown's death.

You can't name a single concrete thing Obama should do, yet have decided he must be a "coon" for not doing...something. To make matters worse, your one semi suggestion is for the president to declare martial fucking law. As if the feds are going to roll in there with teddy bears and watermelon.

Get a grip. We all understand you're upset, you don't need to put on a show because you can't physically be in Ferguson. We believe you. I'm not going to stand for Obama being called a "coon" as if he's sitting on his ass doing nothing. There's not a person I can think of who I would rather have as AG right now than Eric Holder, and that's all I'm going to say about that.

[AdmiralViscen]

Man, CNN fucking blows. They're interviewing a staffer, and he mentioned that he saw muzzle flashes and heard shots. The talking head in the studio interjects to say "Just to be clear, this is very important, you're saying they're shooting at the police?" as the banner reads "CNN Staffer:Shots fired at police". He responds, "No, absolutely not." He goes on for a while and she jumps back in to ask "Are you SURE you didn't see anyone shooting at the police?" The thirst to demonize people on the streets is incredible

[benjipwns]

why this only the dr. baden segment clip on youtube

[Himu]

This doesn't anger you Phoenix?

Yes, but not to a point of babbling. Again, my views on these issues tend to come from a perspective of expectation, not shock. This is reality, it's happened before and will happen again; hell, like 2-3 black and white people were unjustly killed by police since Brown's death.

You can't name a single concrete thing Obama should do, yet have decided he must be a "coon" for not doing...something. To make matters worse, your one semi suggestion is for the president to declare martial fucking law. As if the feds are going to roll in there with teddy bears and watermelon.

Get a grip. We all understand you're upset, you don't need to put on a show because you can't physically be in Ferguson. We believe you. I'm not going to stand for Obama being called a "coon" as if he's sitting on his ass doing nothing. There's not a person I can think of who I would rather have as AG right now than Eric Holder, and that's all I'm going to say about that.

I'm sorry.

[Madrun Badrun]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Petersburg,_Florida_riot_of_1996

I don't think I've ever heard about this one.

[Shadow Mod]

Feds should have been handling this after it was apparent the local pd and the governor are inept as fuck.

[Phoenix Dark]

They already poisoned any potential jury pool with the video, but even before that the cop was going to get a not guilty ruling. That's reality. And as I said earlier, it'll boil down to 9 people deciding they'd rather not punish someone for making a "bit" of a mistake on the job. Same thing with Zimmerman: the jury was nearly completely sympathetic to Zimmerman making a "mistake" and showed very little sympathy for Travyon, while also dismissing his witnesses for ghetto talk. Expect a redux. And a bigger riot once that not guilty verdict happens.

[StealthFan]

Such nig-noggery in this thread.

[Himu]

But doesn't the apotpsy report also show that he had hands up, but not only that, he wasn't shot at close range because he had no gun powder on him?

[Madrun Badrun]

Boogie what is your opinion of this (as I probably missed it in this thread).  I kind of feel like American politics always spill over into how Canadians view things and I kind of feel like a lot of the 'fuck pigs' attitude of people I knew in highschool and uni stemmed from things like this and not necessarily Canadian events.  I kind of feel like things like this ruin the images of cops everywhere.

[benjipwns]

They already poisoned any potential jury pool with the video, but even before that the cop was going to get a not guilty ruling. That's reality. And as I said earlier, it'll boil down to 9 people deciding they'd rather not punish someone for making a "bit" of a mistake on the job. Same thing with Zimmerman: the jury was nearly completely sympathetic to Zimmerman making a "mistake" and showed very little sympathy for Travyon, while also dismissing his witnesses for ghetto talk. Expect a redux. And a bigger riot once that not guilty verdict happens.

You think Wilson was/is going to get charged?

[StealthFan]

[Himu]

I kind of feel like things like this ruin the images of cops everywhere.

This statement assumes that there's not much to be outraged about because police brutality is a rare thing. It isn't. There's a reason to be skeptical towards police, and there's a reason the people in Ferguson are going hard. They've had enough.

[Phoenix Dark]

They already poisoned any potential jury pool with the video, but even before that the cop was going to get a not guilty ruling. That's reality. And as I said earlier, it'll boil down to 9 people deciding they'd rather not punish someone for making a "bit" of a mistake on the job. Same thing with Zimmerman: the jury was nearly completely sympathetic to Zimmerman making a "mistake" and showed very little sympathy for Travyon, while also dismissing his witnesses for ghetto talk. Expect a redux. And a bigger riot once that not guilty verdict happens.

You think Wilson was/is going to get charged?

Good point...maybe he won't be. I remember some time passing before Zimmerman was charged as well though. Once things settle down we'll see.

[Madrun Badrun]

I kind of feel like things like this ruin the images of cops everywhere.

This statement assumes that there's not much to be outraged about because police brutality is a rare thing. It isn't. There's a reason to be skeptical towards police, and there's a reason the people in Ferguson are going hard. They've had enough.

But I'm not sure there is in Canada.  Obviously there is brutality
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatoon_freezing_deaths
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlight_tours
but its not a daily thing here

[Himu]

@_KingMalcolm
Its like #Ferguson ripped open the inside of america and showed us how disgusting and ugly it looks on the inside.

[benjipwns]

Good point...maybe he won't be. I remember some time passing before Zimmerman was charged as well though. Once things settle down we'll see.

Whether he was right or wrong in his self-defense defense though (which is why they didn't charge him initially), and despite his desire of becoming a cop, Zimmerman was still a peasant.  There's little downside to charging those.

[Madrun Badrun]

@_KingMalcolm
Its like #Ferguson ripped open the inside of america and showed us how disgusting and ugly it looks on the inside.

the 2014 season of this show

[Madrun Badrun]

i dunno, i don't think it's super regular or anything, but i'm not sure how much of it actually ends up in the books, Mike.  i know in my hometown the police treat the natives like absolute shit, and apart from one time where it became a media thing, it mostly goes unnoticed or uncared about.

Ya that could be.  Thinking about it, I haven't really known any natives since elementary school, or living in an area with a significant native population other than a weekend lake, so it could be that I'm just really blind to the issue.

[StealthFan]

thats all the in the past breh. we got a black president now.

[Himu]

@_KingMalcolm
Its like #Ferguson ripped open the inside of america and showed us how disgusting and ugly it looks on the inside.

Real talk though this is only surprising to people who don't pay attention. We all know how this country is about police brutality and treatment of African American life is.  Actually maybe not. One time I had to explain to my friend the systemic and institutional racism since slavery since he was telling me black people should be fine now or whatever. COINTELPRO,  tuskeegee experiment, j Edgar hoover etc. He was pretty shocked. Guess if you're white and well off there's little reason to believe things might be and have always been out of wack.

I always knew it was fucked up, but seeing it like this. It's like history books you read come to life. Except it's not a story anymore, and it dawns on you that this is really the world you live in.

[Shadow Mod]

Speaking purely out of speculation, Brown is almost as tall as I am, and I have no idea how big Wilson is, but to shoot him in the top of the head like that... well... I mean, does any account have Brown like kneeling or something?  Just like he's on the ground and then cop walks up to him and fires into his head?

Or if he had his hands up, was standing up, was standing still and was looking at the cop holding a gun trained on him, he wouldn't have been shot in the top of the head, right?  Yeah, he'd probably looking down, but because the shorter guy is below his eye level.  Which would mean that the shorter guy wouldn't have that kind of angle...

Armchair CSI shit, yeah, I know.  It's just well, this isn't making a lot of sense.

“As I pull onto the side, the kid, he finally gets away, he starts running. As he runs the police get out of his vehicle and he follows behind him, shooting,” Mitchell said. “And the kid’s body jerked as if he was hit from behind, and he turns around and puts his hands up like this, and the cop continued to fire until he just dropped down to the ground and his face just smacks the concrete.”

One of the witness statements.

[Himu]

@BWildeCTV
Autopsy expert on CNN says shots that hit inside of arm and hand are consistent with a man with arms up in style of surrendering. #Ferguson

[Shadow Mod]

Speaking purely out of speculation, Brown is almost as tall as I am, and I have no idea how big Wilson is, but to shoot him in the top of the head like that... well... I mean, does any account have Brown like kneeling or something?  Just like he's on the ground and then cop walks up to him and fires into his head?

Or if he had his hands up, was standing up, was standing still and was looking at the cop holding a gun trained on him, he wouldn't have been shot in the top of the head, right?  Yeah, he'd probably looking down, but because the shorter guy is below his eye level.  Which would mean that the shorter guy wouldn't have that kind of angle...

Armchair CSI shit, yeah, I know.  It's just well, this isn't making a lot of sense.

“As I pull onto the side, the kid, he finally gets away, he starts running. As he runs the police get out of his vehicle and he follows behind him, shooting,” Mitchell said. “And the kid’s body jerked as if he was hit from behind, and he turns around and puts his hands up like this, and the cop continued to fire until he just dropped down to the ground and his face just smacks the concrete.”

One of the witness statements.

Right, but every bullet hit him from the front... so...?

Let's assume they thought he was hit by the shots but the rest is accurate if he collapsed from shots before the head shots or during them it would explain the height problem.

[Himu]

@charlesjaco1
St Louis County PD says none of the 7 arrested last night are from Ferguson. "Some may" be from out of state. Dellwood Market now on fire.

@zellieimani
50 years from now information will be declassified showing the Ferguson violence was started by agent provocateurs.

@ModernLeftist2
There a dead white guy in the middle of Chambers, at least I think he's dead. He has a swastika tattoo on his arm. #ferguson #mikebrown

[benjipwns]

Real talk though this is only surprising to people who don't pay attention. We all know how this country is about police brutality and treatment of African American life is.  Actually maybe not. One time I had to explain to my friend the systemic and institutional racism since slavery since he was telling me black people should be fine now or whatever. COINTELPRO,  tuskeegee experiment, j Edgar hoover etc. He was pretty shocked. Guess if you're white and well off there's little reason to believe things might be and have always been out of wack.

To be fair, most people don't know lots of the shit done to whites or blacks or Japanese-Americans or the loli gamer or polygamists or...

Last one I had was someone refusing to believe me and calling me a conspiracy nut for saying the government deliberately poisoned alcohol during prohibition.

Actually, I'm reminded of a GAF argument, involving Dax which is why I actually remembered it recently, regarding Rand Paul's Civil Rights Act statements where everyone was acting like being able to sit at the lunch counter was the big success and horrendous crime it took on and "solved." Not, you know the entrenched institutional racism throughout every level of government across the entire country. (like in Plessy where the railroad company didn't want to keep extra cars just for segregation but it was the law...)

/libertarian-anarchist cac talkin bout minority struggles in American history

[Himu]

@TheRyanParker
MT @samueloakford: Amnesty International just announced they've sent human rights team to #Ferguson; first time they've done that in the US

[Phoenix Dark]

@_KingMalcolm
Its like #Ferguson ripped open the inside of america and showed us how disgusting and ugly it looks on the inside.

Real talk though this is only surprising to people who don't pay attention. We all know how this country is about police brutality and treatment of African American life is.  Actually maybe not. One time I had to explain to my friend the systemic and institutional racism since slavery since he was telling me black people should be fine now or whatever. COINTELPRO,  tuskeegee experiment, j Edgar hoover etc. He was pretty shocked. Guess if you're white and well off there's little reason to believe things might be and have always been out of wack.

reminds me of white people I know who had to wiki slavery after watching Django Unchained because they "didn't know/think it was like THAT"

[Madrun Badrun]

@_KingMalcolm
Its like #Ferguson ripped open the inside of america and showed us how disgusting and ugly it looks on the inside.

Real talk though this is only surprising to people who don't pay attention. We all know how this country is about police brutality and treatment of African American life is.  Actually maybe not. One time I had to explain to my friend the systemic and institutional racism since slavery since he was telling me black people should be fine now or whatever. COINTELPRO,  tuskeegee experiment, j Edgar hoover etc. He was pretty shocked. Guess if you're white and well off there's little reason to believe things might be and have always been out of wack.

reminds me of white people I know who had to wiki slavery after watching Django Unchained because they "didn't know/think it was like THAT"

Did they think it was like gone with the wind?

[benjipwns]

reminds me of white people I know who had to wiki slavery after watching Django Unchained because they "didn't know/think it was like THAT"

Seriously, Amistad and Roots came out decades ago.

[Himu]

@_KingMalcolm
Its like #Ferguson ripped open the inside of america and showed us how disgusting and ugly it looks on the inside.

Real talk though this is only surprising to people who don't pay attention. We all know how this country is about police brutality and treatment of African American life is.  Actually maybe not. One time I had to explain to my friend the systemic and institutional racism since slavery since he was telling me black people should be fine now or whatever. COINTELPRO,  tuskeegee experiment, j Edgar hoover etc. He was pretty shocked. Guess if you're white and well off there's little reason to believe things might be and have always been out of wack.

reminds me of white people I know who had to wiki slavery after watching Django Unchained because they "didn't know/think it was like THAT"

I'm staring at the screen like this. 

[lennedsay]

@_KingMalcolm
Its like #Ferguson ripped open the inside of america and showed us how disgusting and ugly it looks on the inside.

Real talk though this is only surprising to people who don't pay attention. We all know how this country is about police brutality and treatment of African American life is.  Actually maybe not. One time I had to explain to my friend the systemic and institutional racism since slavery since he was telling me black people should be fine now or whatever. COINTELPRO,  tuskeegee experiment, j Edgar hoover etc. He was pretty shocked. Guess if you're white and well off there's little reason to believe things might be and have always been out of wack.

reminds me of white people I know who had to wiki slavery after watching Django Unchained because they "didn't know/think it was like THAT"

I'm staring at the screen like this. 

Same here, wtf??? Wtf did they think it was like? The milkman on the distinguished black fellow Family sketch on Chappelle?

[Phoenix Dark]

To be fair there are plenty of black people too who don't know shit about slavery, outside of the typical US history approach of "some Africans were made slaves. *next chapter: Abraham Lincoln*"

When I was homeschooled we used a Christian curriculum (A Beka...shout out to Atra) that glossed over slavery. So my mom made us watch Roots, read us 12 Years a Slave, and took us to the African American History museum in Detroit.

competent teaching 

[Himu]

So is this about race, or not about race?

@Newyorkist
Reports police in #Ferguson profiling press, only allowing white press in pen http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2014/08/police-in-ferguson-tear-gas-children-and-media … cc @ryanjreilly

[fistfulofmetal]

i dont know about you guys but i'm following the breaking news regarding Tim's broken iphone charger live on the Vice stream http://new.livestream.com/timcast/events/3295551

[Shadow Mod]

Honestly it wasn't till college that I was straight up told Masters raped slaves. 

[Himu]

I'm not sure when I learned about the harshness of slavery. Then again, my parents always kept me up on that stuff.

[Himu]

For all people complaining about looters.



@jesseberney
Call this "looting," I dare you. RT @ShaunKing: Protestors broke into McDonalds to get milk for tear gas victims. pic.twitter.com/qmzSah71Im



@AntonioFrench
THIS---> “@kodacohen: Protestors escape tear gas,break window at McDonald's. No looting. #Ferguson #MikeBrown pic.twitter.com/1RfuKkla8L”

[Shadow Mod]

I knew about the killing, starvation, and splitting up families in highschool but my women's history course was just not at all soft about the raping of slaves. They showed us a doc that basically had a quick re-enactment. x_x

[Himu]

I knew about the killing, starvation, and splitting up families in highschool but my women's history course was just not at all soft about the raping of slaves. They showed us a doc that basically had a quick re-enactment. x_x

What's this movie called

[Himu]

Jaydub:

@ShaunKing
New Details :: Autopsy shows headshot went in top of Mike Brown's head & came out his chin as if standing over victim. Done from 1-2 feet.

[Shadow Mod]

I knew about the killing, starvation, and splitting up families in highschool but my women's history course was just not at all soft about the raping of slaves. They showed us a doc that basically had a quick re-enactment. x_x

What's this movie called

I honestly don't remember, I wish I could.

[Yeti]

Maybe he was charging at the officer with an E. Honda flying headbutt

[Great Rumbler]

Maybe he was charging at the officer with an E. Honda flying headbutt

Or he was flying like Superman, which would explain why his arms were stretched out past his head.

[benjipwns]

My junior/high school covered slavery and civil rights movement (and the reasons for it) although slightly sanitized in multiple classes (English, etc.) to the point where when I took African American History 1670-1870 in college I was baffled at all the baffled and upset cac's. (Beyond my normal bafflement at people in history courses since I'm a history reading fiend out of self-interest (where I accidentally learned more black history before being "taught" it)...still top favorite moment being in some dumb "weekly group discussion", in like American History 102 or some shit, I was mostly ignoring when this trying-to-be-professor's pet went on a long discourse about how Spanish Colonialism wasn't as bad as the English. And my jimmies were so rustled I exasperatedly was all "they fucking trapped FRIENDLY people in their cities and raped and butchered them and did shit like pouring molten gold down their throats for fun and then did this shit all across an entire continent" and he shut up for the rest of the groups for a while.)

Even watched Amistad in like eighth grade. (Which I like more because it does less "white people saving the savages" and more "people cast helplessly into a system they don't know or understand" as its framing.)

So the schools* probably accidentally contributed to my dark path to anarchism.

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Then again my first middle school girlfriend was black. I probably internalized her people's struggles through transference during physical contact.

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*And Frederick Douglass, since his book was among the ones offered in a high school course for some silly book report essay project or something.

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I was the only one in class who picked it. 

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[benjipwns]

PD, look, PoliceOne comments:

Posted by SAPDMAS on Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:52 AM Pacific   Report Abuse
What a disgrace. Thanks this so called "Uniter of a President" and his administration, along with his crony media sensationalists. They are the real blame for this mess. God, please make the people of this country wake up.


Posted by SAPDMAS on Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:16 PM Pacific   Report Abuse
All you have to do is look at history and how the Nazis seized control. There were riots like these supported by the Nazi regime.

I base this on history and Holocaust survivor. I spoke with a Holocaust survivor who told me what she sees what's happening now is exactly how the bad things in Germany started when she was a child. I will believe the words of a lady who suffered horrible and in humane treatment for years and saw her family murdered before I would believe the media and this current administration. I hope she and I are wrong but everything is upside down. I just can't believe what has happened to our country in the last six years.

Posted by Smeared1 on Sunday, August 17, 2014 06:35 PM Pacific    Report Abuse
    That POS wasn't worth the price of the bullet that killed him. The black community as a whole has doomed itself by nurturing it's own ignorance. For the most part, the community has wasted the freedoms their ancestors fought for, what a shame. They'll be their own destruction and are simply too ignorant to realize it.

Posted by cpdcop4901 on Sunday, August 17, 2014 09:14 AM Pacific    Report Abuse
    I think that the "community" and the "media" are doing a great job of making the POLICE look like the bad guy !!!! It's sickening that the focus of all this is on what the officer did, but not on what the officer faced at the moment of the encounter with robbery suspect or the uncooperative subject !!! SICKENING !!! People need to do more ride alongs, so that they can see what we have to deal with on a daily basis and then have to come home to our family and pretend that not in anyway stressed out by the behavior of other human beings !!!
Stay Safe All !!!

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[Phoenix Dark]

It's fascinating. That first quote mirrors the sentiments of many on the right who complained about Obama's "divisive" comments. Then on the flip side, various young people complaining about Obama's "tepid" and "meaningless" comments.

[benjipwns]

I too trust the words of someone who suffered in humane treatment for years.

[Cerveza mas fina]

The thought that maybe he was shot with his arms up makes me so mad.

[benjipwns]

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/08/18/gov-nixon-directs-national-guard-to-ferguson/

Gov. Jay Nixon has signed an executive order directing additional resources through the Missouri National Guard “to help restore peace and order and to protect the citizens of Ferguson.”

[benjipwns]

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Macklemore, sure, but still...

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[benjipwns]

smh at the GAF thread and all the "putting more people with guns on the streets? this is dangerous" regarding the National Guard

If we're going to have a militarized police state, I'd much prefer the military and their rules over the police and their lack of them.

[WanderingWind]

smh at the GAF thread and all the "putting more people with guns on the streets? this is dangerous" regarding the National Guard

If we're going to have a militarized police state, I'd much prefer the military and their rules over the police and their lack of them.

The problem is - and you can't blame them here - is nobody knows for sure whose side of this they're going to actually operate on. Are they going to restore peace, or just be a better trained set of boots on the necks of the people out there? I'm military and I find this to be fairly disturbing. There are Federal peacekeepers who should've already handled this - the FBI has task forces that can force local police to back the fuck up. The military, even the National Guard, being deployed on U.S. soil for anything that isn't a humanitarian mission is a scary as shit precedent and it can easily be another sign of escalation. Especially to the people who have had people run around in their little USMC cosplay suits pissing all over their rights.