Mike Brown shooting thread - No indictment! Get out and protest!

[Himu]

Holder

http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/article_ea8b7358-67a3-5187-af8c-169567f27a0d.html


Also:

[Positive Touch]

Ferguson govt has the worst trolls

[chronovore]

Yay, fuckmark left the thread. Seriously, fuck off and die, don't presume to talk about shit you have NO clue about.

Also, I hope some of these journalists sue the fuck out of the police.

Enh. I may not have been paying enough attention (frequently the case!) but it seems like when non-USA residents comment on sensitive or charged topics specific to the USA, their ignorance is usually attributed to willfulness or trolling. It seems to me they just don't know what it's like to have the messed up culture the USA has regarding race.

I agree about the journalists suing the fuck out of the police though. Get 'em! 

[Mr. Gundam]

Yay, fuckmark left the thread. Seriously, fuck off and die, don't presume to talk about shit you have NO clue about.

Also, I hope some of these journalists sue the fuck out of the police.

Enh. I may not have been paying enough attention (frequently the case!) but it seems like when non-USA residents comment on sensitive or charged topics specific to the USA, their ignorance is usually attributed to willfulness or trolling. It seems to me they just don't know what it's like to have the messed up culture the USA has regarding race.

I agree about the journalists suing the fuck out of the police though. Get 'em! 

Europeans bagging on racism in America is hilarious.

Cause you know, there is absolutely none in Europe. At all. Nope. Not a bit. Post-racial utopia they've got. Totally accepting. Except for the immigrants. And not speaking our language. Gosh why do they have to come here?

Had some awkward conversations with friends in Netherlands and Germany last time I was there.

[Human Snorenado]

Something like this is waaaaaaaay overdue

http://qz.com/250652/three-georgia-teens-made-an-app-to-crowdsource-police-accountability/

[Kara]

the only *true* post-racial utopia is canada

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pay no attention to the native people behind that garbage pile

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I think a continued commitment to the mistreatment of tribal peoples is part of NAFTA.

[Mr. Gundam]

the only *true* post-racial utopia is canada

spoiler (click to show/hide)

pay no attention to the native people behind that garbage pile

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Don't forget the animosity towards Chinese nationals buying property like crazy, driving up real state prices in British Columbia.

[Himu]

From what I heard of Canada, it's mostly the white people who think of Canada as a post-racial place, and minorities think it's about the same as anywhere else. But I wouldn't know since I haven't been there, so I'm definitely not judging.

I have a problem with people playing "blank country is racist" like people do with Europe, probably because I haven't been there and I feel like that's not fair to judge a countries values without visiting. Especially since the country I'm from is already hella racist to begin with so throwing stones seems silly.

[Mr. Gundam]

I have a problem with people playing "blank country is racist" like people do with Europe, probably because I haven't been there and I feel like that's not fair to judge a countries values without visiting. Especially since the country I'm from is already hella racist to begin with so throwing stones seems silly.

I've been to a good number EU nations in the last five years, so I've seen it first hand from talking to people and watching their local news. Hell, we get news stories over here that confirm it's real. It might be different than what we have in the states, but that doesn't make it any less real which makes the Europeans slamming the US for it even better. Better isn't the right word, but you get the point.

And it's not throwing stones. It's getting them to realize that their country has issues as well.

[Cerveza mas fina]

There is so much racism in Europe, it's becoming more of an issue since Europe has become a place people immigrate to since WW2, and now that the EU has opened borders its really sad to see what people say about other people.

There being less racism here is mainly because there has been less foreigners/coloured people around.

People here are just as racist as anywhere else.

[ZephyrFate]

#MyGirl #MikeBrown

[benjipwns]

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[benjipwns]

The one thing that pretty much sealed the guilt for the cops was the way they handled everything up after the fact. Poisoning the well of the jury, failing to file reports. Leaving the corpse in the street for hours. Taking it away in a cop car


The innocent should be confident of their innocence

It's this kind of baseless attack on the motives of peace warriors that makes real citizens want to stand up for our protectors and fight to keep all of our peace warriors on the frontlines between us and evil.

[WanderingWind]

I had to log off the internet for a bit. There is a Reddit thread tied to this in which a whole group of people are defending the Rodney King cops and off course, Zimmerman.

How.

[Rufus]

Reddit is really bad right now. Like really fucking bad.

[Himu]

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#MyGirl #MikeBrown

I did this in real life

My queen.

[Eric P]

Reddit is really bad right now. Like really fucking bad.

[Rufus]

I knew this would happen.

[Your Stalker]

i mean, they have a great apes sub so it's really no surprise

[Himu]

i mean, they have a great apes sub so it's really no surprise

Jesus Christ, I went there after reading your post and now I need to do something productive to get my mind off it.

[Himu]

Someone tell me of a site where I can get memes without going to reddit

i mean, they have a great apes sub so it's really no surprise

Wow wtf? Not reading that site anymore.

BB, you should see the comments on stuff like the mike brown convenience store video on r/videos. They legit think this kid should have died because of this.

Canada may not be perfect, but it definitely seems like a better place for my future children than America.

[AdmiralViscen]

www.neogaf.com

[Himu]

www.neogaf.com

[Rufus]

They have all manner of subreddits. Reddit overlords take an off-hand approach to that stuff because every click counts. Last big sub to get shitcanned was the jailbait one, I believe. The greatapes one only has about 3000 subscribers though, so that's something.

[Himu]

Every place needs a trash can. We don't have trash cans because we like trash, we have them because we need a filter to place trash. That's why we have the gaf thread. This wouldn't be a problem if conservative rhetoric and racist/sexist remarks weren't exploding all over reddit, though. Because that part, is very, very real. At least reddit has Makeup Addiction.

[Himu]

[Human Snorenado]

CACS GONNA CAC

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ferguson-missouri-ron-johnson-gang-kappa-alpha-psi

[Rufus]

Reminds me of that doll experiment. Black kids picked a white over a black doll, because that was the "good doll"... 

[Himu]

Ron Johnson is a kappa?!?!?!

lmaooooooo

I never imagined. I thought he would be the Omega Psi Phi type.

[Himu]

[Van Cruncheon]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/olivia-cole/the-10-kinds-of-trolls-yo_b_5691405.html

hate it when the huffpo actually drops a truth bomb

[Rufus]

And predictably there's the same shit in the comments.

[Joe Molotov]

But he stole the cigars and he pushed a clerk! Liebral Media conveniently leaves that out.

[benjipwns]

Yeah, no.  Idiot's demonstrably false.

I don't think this is one of those things you're allowed to decide for yourself.

But that's just my humble opinion.

Way more humble of an opinion than anyone else. And I'm arguably the most humble person ever.

[Human Snorenado]

Be a state-hating libertarian* brehs

*except in the case of abortion or cops beating down the darkies

[Madrun Badrun]

[Madrun Badrun]

Woman next to me at work is calling Holder anti - white

Must not interject

Honestly people like that ought to be shamed a bit when they say silly things

[Human Snorenado]

Be a state-hating libertarian, but give the benefit of the doubt to a police force that charged a man with destruction of property for bleeding on police uniforms while he was being beaten and somehow lost the video footage of said beating, brehs.

Not to mention the whole clusterfuck of a manner in which the shooting and it's immediate aftermath was mishandled, or the way the PD handled the protesters. Nope, you certainly don't have any preconceived notions here...

[Himu]

Jaydub, thoughts on the Boston Tea Party and dumping of legal goods into clean water?

[Beezy]

Now the police are raiding the church where protesters kept supplies that have been donated to them. They're taking water, milk, ear plugs, gas masks, gloves, first aid kits... Do they really think this will make things easier for them tonight?

https://twitter.com/Nettaaaaaaaa/status/502138741800968192

[benjipwns]

If the darkies are upset over the social contract maybe they should have read the terms of it a little more more closely on the boat trip over.

[Steve Contra]

JayDubya joins Squiddy on the ignore list 

[I'm a Puppy!]

I'll debate JayDubya. I love him.

[Great Rumbler]

City: Memphis, Tennessee
Date: October 1974
Officers: Elton Hymon and Leslie Wright
Victim: Edward Garner
What happened: Officers Hymon and Wright were responding to a burglary call when Hymon spotted Garner, an unarmed 15-year-old, by a fence in the backyard of the home in question. After Hymon ordered Garner to halt, the teenager tried to climb the fence. In response, the officer shot him fatally in the head. A federal district court ruled that the shooting was justified under a Tennessee statute—the law said that once a police officer voices intent to arrest a suspect, "the officer may use all the necessary means to effect the arrest." Garner's father appealed, and the case ended up in the Supreme Court, which ruled the Tennessee statute unconstitutional and the killing unjustified. Justice Byron White wrote for the majority: "It is not better that all felony suspects die than that they escape. Where the suspect poses no immediate threat to the officer and no threat to others, the harm resulting from failing to apprehend him does not justify the use of deadly force to do so. It is no doubt unfortunate when a suspect who is in sight escapes, but the fact that the police arrive a little late or are a little slower afoot does not always justify killing the suspect. A police officer may not seize an unarmed, non-dangerous suspect by shooting him dead." Despite the reversal, the officer who shot Hymon was never charged.

City: Bronx, New York
Date: December 1994
Officer: Francis X. Livoti
Victim: Anthony Baez
What happened: Officer Livoti choked to death 29-year-old Anthony Baez in a case that would later be featured in a PBS documentary titled Every Mother's Son. After their football struck his patrol car, Livoti had ordered Baez and his brother to leave the area. When the brothers refused, Livoti attempted an arrest. After Baez allegedly resisted, the officer administered the choke hold that ended his life. Livoti, who had been accused of brutality 11 times over 11 years, was charged with criminally negligent homicide, but found not guilty during a state trial in October 1996. He was fired the following year, however, after a judge ruled his choke hold illegal. In June 1998, a federal jury sentenced him to 7.5 years in prison for violating Baez's civil rights, and the Baez family received a $3 million settlement from the city later that year. In 2003, two more cops were fired for giving false testimony in Livoti's defense.

City: Bronx, New York
Date: February 1999
Officers: Sean Carroll, Edward McMellon, Kenneth Boss, Richard Murphy
Victim: Amadou Diallo
What happened: Amadou Diallo, an unarmed, 23-year-old immigrant from Guinea, was killed in the vestibule of his own building when four white police officers fired 41 shots, striking him 19 times. Diallo had just returned home from his job as a street vendor at 12:44 a.m. when he was confronted by the plainclothes officers. The officers later said he matched the description of a rape suspect, and that they mistakenly believed he was reaching for a gun. (He was pulling out his wallet.) Three of the officers had been involved in previous shootings, including one that led to the death of another black civilian in 1997. The four cops were acquitted of all charges, prompting citywide protests. They were not fired, either, but lost permission to carry a weapon—although one of the officers eventually had his carrying privilege restored. In 2004, Diallo's family received a $3 million settlement from the city. His mother said her son had been saving to attend college and become a computer programmer. A foundation in Diallo's name seeks to promote racial healing.

City: Los Angeles, California
Date: October 2000
Officer: Tarriel Hopper
Victim: Anthony Dwain Lee
What happened: Lee, a 39-year-old black actor who had roles in the 1997 movie Liar Liar and the TV series ER, was attending a Halloween party when the LAPD showed up, responding to a noise complaint. According to police accounts, a group of officers were searching for the party's host when they found Lee and two other men in a small room, engaged in what the police claimed looked like a drug deal. Lee, who was dressed as a devil, allegedly held up a toy pistol, whereupon Officer Hopper fired several times, wounding him fatally. The LAPD's internal review board determined that the shooting was justified because Hopper had believed Lee's pistol was real and feared for his life.

City: Oakland, California
Date: January 2009
Officer: Johannes Mehserle
Victim: Oscar Grant
What happened: Early on New Year's Day, BART transit officers responding to reports of fighting on a train detained Oscar Grant, 22, and several other men on the platform at Fruitvale Station. In an incident captured on cell phone cameras, Officer Mehserle pulled out his gun and fatally shot Grant, who was face down on the platform at the time. Mehserle later testified that he thought he was reaching for his Taser while trying to put handcuffs on Grant, who resisted. A jury found Mehserle guilty of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced him to two years in jail. He was released after serving 11 months at the Los Angeles County Jail. The episode was turned into the acclaimed 2013 feature film, Fruitvale Station.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/08/darren-wilson-ferguson-police-officers-shoot-unarmed-black-men

Gee, I wonder why people might be skeptical about any real punishment being handed down in this case.

[Yeti]

Now the police are raiding the church where protesters kept supplies that have been donated to them. They're taking water, milk, ear plugs, gas masks, gloves, first aid kits... Do they really think this will make things easier for them tonight?

https://twitter.com/Nettaaaaaaaa/status/502138741800968192

How is this legal? Did the Fourth Amendment get repealed without me noticing?

[Yeti]

Also where is Karakand to tell me if confiscated milk is taxed differently than regular milk?

[Joe Molotov]

JayDubya isn't a troll, he's just an idiot.

The two aren't mutually exclusive, though. #NotSayingJustSaying

[ZephyrFate]

JayDubya probably agrees with that Indian cop who believes that we should never, ever resist cops in any fashion including even speaking or breathing because _____ (they're probably a psychopath and you'll get killed for any number of bullshit reasons).

[Himu]

Now the police are raiding the church where protesters kept supplies that have been donated to them. They're taking water, milk, ear plugs, gas masks, gloves, first aid kits... Do they really think this will make things easier for them tonight?

https://twitter.com/Nettaaaaaaaa/status/502138741800968192

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[seagrams hotsauce]

Mike is can be hyperbolic, but he's typically pretty even keeled. His 'Pledge' era stuff is really the closest we've had to a modern Cube. He's far from the most out-there conspiracist in hip hop these days though. And you've gotta love a guy who can get a roomful of white kids to scream 'I'm glad Reagan's dead!' on a nightly basis.

[ZephyrFate]

I don't even see how it was legal for them to raid that church.

[Himu]

Jaydub, thoughts on the Boston Tea Party and dumping of legal goods into clean water?

Clean water?  What, you expect me to make an environmental argument?

From memory, the East India Company was essentially inseparable from the British state and directed in its actions by Parliament; it was a monopoly and it was being used to impose an unjust tax on the people of the colonies.  I'm still not overly keen on the particulars, but at least here the motives and the message is comprehensible.  I appreciate that the British clampdown would not have happened without it, and that the motivation for revolution was so strong because of that clampdown.

Now, tell me what that has to do with randomly burning a QuikTrip for false rumors of "snitching?"  Or a molotov cocktail to a Domino's Pizza for no reason at all?

Had nothing to do with clean water and everything about American cognitive dissonance to celebrate an event that had Americans dumping tea because of taxes (ie. Rioting ) but disagree with a small sector of a community doing something similar (stealing and destroying property of white business owners) after their voices are censored by police and an officer kills an unarmed teen.

If the tea party example doesn't click replace it with any other celebrated uprising (texas revolution )

[Phoenix Dark]

Mike is can be hyperbolic, but he's typically pretty even keeled. His 'Pledge' era stuff is really the closest we've had to a modern Cube. He's far from the most out-there conspiracist in hip hop these days though. And you've gotta love a guy who can get a roomful of white kids to scream 'I'm glad Reagan's dead!' on a nightly basis.

You're right. He's not as bad as a K - Rino or even an Immortal Technique. Pledge II was so good btw. I simply expected him to go past objective violations of civil rights a little more into overarching state conspiracy against black people territory.

Mike has some insane views, but this was a nice write up. I'm surprised he didn't bring up the second amendment, which is one of his big things. Personally I'd love to see a return to black armed (peaceful) demonstrations, just to expose the hypocrisy of gun nuts on the right.

[seagrams hotsauce]

Mike is can be hyperbolic, but he's typically pretty even keeled. His 'Pledge' era stuff is really the closest we've had to a modern Cube. He's far from the most out-there conspiracist in hip hop these days though. And you've gotta love a guy who can get a roomful of white kids to scream 'I'm glad Reagan's dead!' on a nightly basis.

You're right. He's not as bad as a K - Rino or even an Immortal Technique. Pledge II was so good btw. I simply expected him to go past objective violations of civil rights a little more into overarching state conspiracy against black people territory.

Mike has some insane views, but this was a nice write up. I'm surprised he didn't bring up the second amendment, which is one of his big things. Personally I'd love to see a return to black armed (peaceful) demonstrations, just to expose the hypocrisy of gun nuts on the right.

His views on gun control are pretty weird, but he seems more informed on the stuff he speaks about than a lot of rappers. He's not as concise or verbose as someone like Boots Riley, but he's closer to that than the 'stay woke'/illuminati shit that's kind of prevalent these days.

[Kara]

Also where is Karakand to tell me if confiscated milk is taxed differently than regular milk?

A church is a non-profit for tax purposes so there's probably no tax effect.

Milk isn't a capital asset since its useful life is like a week but casualty theft loss (which is what I'd claim government confiscation of property that's legal to own at the federal level--read: not marijuana--without due process) is considered an involuntary conversion for tax purposes. The consequences of this conversion are treated differently if it's business or personal property, but basically spend every dollar of insurance reimbursement you get on replacement property or it's treated as a capital gain.

[Positive Touch]

didn't even notice the thread title change; thanks queen!


p.s. fuck jaydub

[I'm a Puppy!]

Maybe I'm late to the party here (of course I am)
But I sorta get what JayDub is saying.  Personally I don't buy into it. Robbery stuff doesn't matter, conflicting accounts don't matter. The only thing that matters is if the cop was beaten, and even then it'd have to be pretty severe. Given the fact that all the police would have to do is show a pic of the cop's swollen face or broken jaw or whatever to ease up on some of the tension and they haven't means that such a scuffle never happened, or if it did the cop walked away unscathed (which if that's the point then why shoot?)

But I do agree, we're in this for the long haul. It's going to get way messier. It's going to take a long freakin' time.
I've said since the beginning of this whole thing is that this is about far more than Mike Brown.
It's about a populace that feels that the system is against them and that the people that are supposed to protect them are only their to punish them.
It's about the militarization of the police and I don't just mean in equipment but their attitude. It used to be "to protect and to serve" instead they're acting like an force occupying an enemy area.
It's about white people being able to sling assault rifles around in public places with impunity while minorities are shot just for the suspicion of having a weapon (let along an assault rifle).

 All this needs to change. Sadly, I don't see anyone going to change it.

[Great Rumbler]

Because it wouldn't be a proper tragedy without Joe the Plumber saying something stupid and terrible:





 

[Positive Touch]

problem with this wait-and-see bullshit is that WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. he was killed in a busy appointment complex; multiple people live blogged it as it occurred, and many people also took pics and video. all of this is circulating around the internet; you just have to look somewhere beyond some right-wing bs site our a garbage msm outlet. there are pics of the officer standing over Mike's, body and he very clearly has zero injuries.

not to mention that the idea that an unarmed kid would charge a police officer with intent to kill - let alone a black teenager who grew up in north county charging a white police officer - is so laughably stupid that it doesn't deserve serious consideration in the first place.

[ZephyrFate]

JayDubya probably agrees with that Indian cop who believes that we should never, ever resist cops in any fashion including even speaking or breathing because _____ (they're probably a psychopath and you'll get killed for any number of bullshit reasons).

Nope.  Fuck that guy.  He is an apologist for needless violence.

You can be respectful to police without just doing anything they say.  You can tell them no.  They might get irritated or accusatory, and that is when you just continue being assertive without being blatantly disrespectful. 

Absolutely insist on warrants for any search, etc.

Well, I am surprised.