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yup - just act right and you'll be sure to have no problems with the cops. and if they do try to harass you, just tell em jaydubya said they can't do that!
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problem with this wait-and-see bullshit is that WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. he was killed in a busy appointment complex; multiple people live blogged it as it occurred, and many people also took pics and video. all of this is circulating around the internet; you just have to look somewhere beyond some right-wing bs site our a garbage msm outlet. there are pics of the officer standing over Mike's, body and he very clearly has zero injuries.

not to mention that the idea that an unarmed kid would charge a police officer with intent to kill - let alone a black teenager who grew up in north county charging a white police officer - is so laughably stupid that it doesn't deserve serious consideration in the first place.
Yes, but that doesn't change the process nor does it change that said processes will be messy and take a long time.
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I think wait and see is the correct response.  The issue is there is absolutely no confidence in the see part.  There just seems to be no accountability for cops.  What's the point of a long and messy processes when the outcome is determined?
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didn't even notice the thread title change; thanks queen! :rock


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Re: Mike Brown shooting thread - throw tear gas at children, brehs
« Reply #1327 on: August 20, 2014, 08:36:18 PM »
I’m a cop. If you don’t want to get hurt, don’t challenge me.

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Always ask the officer whether you are under detention or are free to leave.

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Every person stopped by a cop should feel safe instead of feeling that their wellbeing is in jeopardy.

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http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/ctv-s-tom-walters-among-journalists-arrested-in-ferguson-1.1968102

You know shits bad when you get to arresting Canadians.
If we had started sooner we wouldn't be in this mess.

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LOL, CNN doing a fluff piece about how the cops are actually doing a good job and "Here's a video of Ron Jonson talking to people. See? #notallcops"
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Darren Wilson, the Ferguson, Mo., police officer whose fatal shooting of Michael Brown touched off more than a week of demonstrations, suffered severe facial injuries, including an orbital (eye socket) fracture, and was nearly beaten unconscious by Brown moments before firing his gun, a source close to the department's top brass told FoxNews.com.

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If this were true why not post a pic? Being beaten nearly unconscious must've left him looking like Rocky after fighting that Russian. Oh wait, yeah, because it didn't happen.
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Darren Wilson, the Ferguson, Mo., police officer whose fatal shooting of Michael Brown touched off more than a week of demonstrations, suffered severe facial injuries, including an orbital (eye socket) fracture, and was nearly beaten unconscious by Brown moments before firing his gun, a source close to the department's top brass told FoxNews.com.

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Godbless this cop, so dedicated to cleaning up the streets that he's willing to throw himself down the stairs to get the work done.

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Darren Wilson, the Ferguson, Mo., police officer whose fatal shooting of Michael Brown touched off more than a week of demonstrations, suffered severe facial injuries, including an orbital (eye socket) fracture, and was nearly beaten unconscious by Brown moments before firing his gun, a source close to the department's top brass told FoxNews.com.

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Godbless this cop, so dedicated to cleaning up the streets that he's willing to throw himself down the stairs to get the work done.


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nah i think most white people are perfectly aware of the racial issues in canada, whether they be between natives and whites in central/northern canada, chinese and whites in western canada, and even anglophones/francophones in eastern canada.  plus there's the whole stupidity between christians and sikhs, the increasing animosity in winnipeg between african immigrants and natives, i dunno, i could go on forever here.  canadians are pretty aware of all of this, we just don't like to talk about it to other countries because our fragile sense of moral superiority is about all we have over the usa.  but there's a reason we refer to canada as a cultural mosaic rather than a melting pot.
I'd actually prefer a legitimate "cultural mosaic" over a "melting pot." I remember living in Fremont, California at one point, and there were Indian, Pakistani, Chinese, Vietnamese, and Cambodian immigrants, but almost all of them seemed to want a 3BR, 2 bath house with a white picket fence. Homogeneity sucks.

Now the police are raiding the church where protesters kept supplies that have been donated to them. They're taking water, milk, ear plugs, gas masks, gloves, first aid kits... Do they really think this will make things easier for them tonight?

https://twitter.com/Nettaaaaaaaa/status/502138741800968192
I don't even see how it was legal for them to raid that church.
Yeah, that's a heap of bullshit.

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Be a cop and have no problem claiming a teenager can beat the shit out of you, brehs

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An 18 year old man who is 7-4, 390 and amped up on the marihuana and just pulled off an armed robbery.

This is why we needed to wait for all the facts, a few days ago we didn't know Peace Warrior Wilson had been beaten almost to unconsciousness and had his eye socket fractured. And before that we didn't know that Brown was not only an escaped felon but a marihuana addict.

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I missed the weed thing. Twitter has been all in a tizzy about how he'd been living with his Grandmother, which I was unaware was an unusual/unacceptable thing until today

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Now the police are raiding the church where protesters kept supplies that have been donated to them. They're taking water, milk, ear plugs, gas masks, gloves, first aid kits... Do they really think this will make things easier for them tonight?

https://twitter.com/Nettaaaaaaaa/status/502138741800968192
I don't even see how it was legal for them to raid that church.
Yeah, that's a heap of bullshit.
This is why nobody takes LWNJ's seriously. First they want to get rid of all the churches and "under God" from the Pledge and stuff, and then when the police do break up a criminal conspiracy within a church the same LWNJ's complain about it and want churches to have special protection.

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Watched the LiveLeaks video. Not the narrative of the protest, but still excessive force. It appeared as though it was a suicidal sort of deal with the kid. 

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Yeah that kid deserved to get shot.
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Two dumb cops that don't know how to handle a situation plus a kid doing something really dumb for no apparent reason.

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Yeah that kid deserved to get shot.

Get back on your meds, clown.
Quit mentioning personal shit, you dumb taco.
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According to the well-placed source, Wilson was coming off another case in the neighborhood on Aug. 9 when he ordered Michael Brown and his friend Dorain Johnson to stop walking in the middle of the road because they were obstructing traffic. However, the confrontation quickly escalated into physical violence, the source said.

“They ignored him and the officer started to get out of the car to tell them to move," the source said. "They shoved him right back in, that’s when Michael Brown leans in and starts beating Officer Wilson in the head and the face."

The source claims that there is "solid proof" that there was a struggle between Brown and Wilson for the policeman’s firearm, resulting in the gun going off – although it still remains unclear at this stage who pulled the trigger. Brown started to walk away according to the account, prompting Wilson to draw his gun and order him to freeze. Brown, the source said, raised his hands in the air, and turned around saying, "What, you're going to shoot me?"

At that point, the source told FoxNews.com, the 6-foot-4, 292-pound Brown charged Wilson, prompting the officer to fire at least six shots at him, including the fatal bullet that penetrated the top of Brown's skull, according to an independent autopsy conducted at the request of Brown's family.

it's been approaching two weeks and this is the best story they can come up with that sort of maybe almost fits ?

Pretty pathetic.

Gun already went off once and a black man is going to then go up to a police man and say "what you gonna do shoot me?" loooooooool "a well placed source" ? yup - your arse is well placed, because that's where this story came from.
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aha! I see the real criminal here. "resulting in the gun going off" it clearly had become sentient, and Peace Warrior Wilson was trying to control it not shoot the repeat felon and homicidal drug addicted maniac.

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i guess the video hasn't been posted here

Warning this is video of the man being shot and killed, so it's graphic.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=df3_1408576637

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If in two weeks they cant produce a pic of this officer being all banged up then you know they are bullshitting.

I wouldnt put it past the popo to beat up one of their own now to make the story stick either

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fuck that entire fucking police force.  purge it from existence, christ almighty
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Ferguson PD is a complete shitshow. It's one embarrassment after another.

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Has this been posted yet?: http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/Open-carry-advocates-march-in-South-Dallas-272079771.html

Blacks open carrying in Dallas in support of Ferguson protesters. Surprised the media hasn't exploded or a white militia hasn't occurred or a shootout between cops and them, because there's nothing scarier than a black person with a gun in this country, apparently.

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i guess the video hasn't been posted here

Warning this is video of the man being shot and killed, so it's graphic.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=df3_1408576637

Is this Brown getting shot? Cause Im not gonna watch it

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Shooting a kid over cigars  :-\

Wonder how this vid will influence the situation in Ferguson

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Now the police are raiding the church where protesters kept supplies that have been donated to them. They're taking water, milk, ear plugs, gas masks, gloves, first aid kits... Do they really think this will make things easier for them tonight?

https://twitter.com/Nettaaaaaaaa/status/502138741800968192
I don't even see how it was legal for them to raid that church.
Yeah, that's a heap of bullshit.
This is why nobody takes LWNJ's seriously. First they want to get rid of all the churches and "under God" from the Pledge and stuff, and then when the police do break up a criminal conspiracy within a church the same LWNJ's complain about it and want churches to have special protection.

Well, I'd argue similarly for "why did they raid it?" if the place was a community center, school, public health clinic, whatever... I don't see how stockpiling medical supplies for anyone should be reasonable -- under what premise were the, uh, premises searched, and under what right were the supplies confiscated?

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I don't think that video is from the Mike Brown shooting. It's a different shooting.
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It's a different shooting. That's the dude I said deserved to die.
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i guess the video hasn't been posted here

Warning this is video of the man being shot and killed, so it's graphic.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=df3_1408576637

Is this Brown getting shot? Cause Im not gonna watch it

Yes, it is.  It's from a distance so it's not as bad as it could be, but it's definitely a human being killed.  He definitely stole from that store, it looks like the employee followed him out and gave him shit, maybe called the cops or they were in the neighborhood.  He was acting like an asshole, the cops more or less came out of the car with guns drawn, he climbed up onto a raised lawn and yelled "I'm unarmed, don't shoot" while they were yelling for him to do something I couldn't make out.  Then they shoot the guy, he falls off the raised lawn as they keep shooting, and now we know why that last shot went the way it did, because he was on the ground when the last shot was fired. 

He was acting like a fucking clown but he didn't appear to be a threat of any kind.  Definitely looked like a straight up murder to me.  But it was from a distance.

The LiveLeak text says it is from the shooting of Kajieme Powell, not Mike Brown.

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once again - the police account of the shooting and the video are miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiles apart.

But... #weshouldwaitforthefacts of course. Two sides to every story and all that - just because one side is completely at odds with footage of the event doesn't mean that's not how it happened!

I liked the "we could have used non-lethal force but..." argument ... :/

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to be fair, the "he held his hands up and they still shot him" story wasn't true either, nor the story that he didn't steal from the store.

Doesn't make just gunning him down okay, but the truth wasn't what anyone was saying.

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Just to be sure, everyone realizes that the video that etiolate posted is of a shooting that happened in a different part of STL this past Tuesday, right? It's not the Mike Brown shooting that happened on August 9th.
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once again - the police account of the shooting and the video are miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiles apart.

But... #weshouldwaitforthefacts of course. Two sides to every story and all that - just because one side is completely at odds with footage of the event doesn't mean that's not how it happened!

I liked the "we could have used non-lethal force but..." argument ... :/

Is it okay to at least "wait for the fact" that this isn't even the mike brown shooting, which MIGHT have something to do with why it doesn't match the police account of that shooting?



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to be fair, the "he held his hands up and they still shot him" story wasn't true either, nor the story that he didn't steal from the store.

Doesn't make just gunning him down okay, but the truth wasn't what anyone was saying.

To be more fair, maybe you should learn to read the links you post.
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If in two weeks they cant produce a pic of this officer being all banged up then you know they are bullshitting.

I wouldnt put it past the popo to beat up one of their own now to make the story stick either

They had a pic of him at a police event accepting some award of some shit immediately after killing Mike and he had nothing on his face, not even a band-aid. We have footage of him pacing around after killing him, and he doesn't look to be hurt at all.
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I believe the only thing you can do for an orbital fracture is surgery, although even that is uncommon.  and it wouldn't be odd to see a man walking around after getting one or any other number of injuries especially if he has adrenaline pumping through his system.

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Except we see his face and there's not a hint of blood on it.
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not completely out of the realm of possibility to receive a fracture and not have the punch break the skin :shrug

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That liveleak is not the Mike Brown shooting. It is another shooting.
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RE: Wilson's injuries.

I'll note ahead of time that I'm not an expert on police investigations or grand juries. So if my questions are transparently stupid, I apologize. But I really don't understand why we're having to speculate the extent to which Wilson did or didn't sustain injury. It was claimed that he had to be treated at a hospital. Therefore, there should be solid documentation in regards to the extent of his injuries. If we're gonna be playing the waiting game for a while as evidence is presented to the grand jury, I think it might go a long way towards explaining why this is going to be such a long, drawn out process to present whatever evidence there is -- or at least make it clear that the evidence exists -- that makes this case not clear cut.

And I say this not to argue that there's credibility to Wilson's side of the story (or I guess we should say what we're hearing is Wilson's side of the story). But I feel like a lot of the unrest is just because the early story that broke was that an unarmed kid was shot to death with multiple eyewitnesses claiming that he was shot after surrendering. Working off of that, it's almost impossible to understand why Wilson wasn't arrested immediately. Instead of releasing a video of Brown stealing cigars that reeks of irrelevant character assassination, I feel like it would be more productive to explain in specific or non-specific terms what the evidence is that supports Wilson so as to understand why this process could take so long.

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If in two weeks they cant produce a pic of this officer being all banged up then you know they are bullshitting.

I wouldnt put it past the popo to beat up one of their own now to make the story stick either

They had a pic of him at a police event accepting some award of some shit immediately after killing Mike and he had nothing on his face, not even a band-aid. We have footage of him pacing around after killing him, and he doesn't look to be hurt at all.

Dude, that photo of him getting a commendation isn't from after the shooting.  C'mon.
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JayDubya probably agrees with that Indian cop who believes that we should never, ever resist cops in any fashion including even speaking or breathing because _____ (they're probably a psychopath and you'll get killed for any number of bullshit reasons).

Nope.  Fuck that guy.  He is an apologist for needless violence.

You can be respectful to police without just doing anything they say.  You can tell them no.  They might get irritated or accusatory, and that is when you just continue being assertive without being blatantly disrespectful. 

Absolutely insist on warrants for any search, etc.

I'm gonna forward this to Eric Garner

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Is it okay to at least "wait for the fact" that this isn't even the mike brown shooting, which MIGHT have something to do with why it doesn't match the police account of that shooting?

i'll "wait for the fact" that you've read the report on this non-mike brown shooting and then watched the video - see if you can see those overarm stabbing motions etc etc. ;)

(aka Yes, i know it's not the Mike Brown shooting)

edit: ah - i see - i didn't mention the new shooting. But yeah - again - for the new shooting : watch the video - listen to the description of what happened in the police's eyes and then watched what happens. Whilst the guy did seem to be acting odd, the police take on what happened and the reality are pretty far apart.
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Has this been posted yet?: http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/Open-carry-advocates-march-in-South-Dallas-272079771.html

Blacks open carrying in Dallas in support of Ferguson protesters. Surprised the media hasn't exploded or a white militia hasn't occurred or a shootout between cops and them, because there's nothing scarier than a black person with a gun in this country, apparently.
As a Texas resident I'm an advocate for anyone Open Carrying :hyper :hyper

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JayDubya probably agrees with that Indian cop who believes that we should never, ever resist cops in any fashion including even speaking or breathing because _____ (they're probably a psychopath and you'll get killed for any number of bullshit reasons).

Nope.  Fuck that guy.  He is an apologist for needless violence.

You can be respectful to police without just doing anything they say.  You can tell them no.  They might get irritated or accusatory, and that is when you just continue being assertive without being blatantly disrespectful. 

Absolutely insist on warrants for any search, etc.

I'm gonna forward this to Eric Garner

Oh wait he died doing what you said

Also John Crawford was shot dead by police while he was ON THE PHONE WITH HIS PARTNER saying,"it's not real".

JAYDUB, GET IT INTO YOUR SKULL IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT YOU DO. They will shoot because they consider you a NIG.GER - something not even they consider human.
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