It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!

[headwalk]

we don't need to rake over how shit the prequels were, but at least they had some sort of coherent narrative, even if the execution was wack.

if someone asked you "what are the prequels about" you could sum it up fairly succinctly. i couldn't begin to tell you what the point of the new films are.

[Coffee Dog]

we don't need to rake over how shit the prequels were, but at least they had some sort of coherent narrative, even if the execution was wack.

if someone asked you "what are the prequels about" you could sum it up fairly succinctly. i couldn't begin to tell you what the point of the new films are.

I dont really think its fair to say the prequels had a coherent narrative when only the third film sort of did

[nachobro]

we don't need to rake over how shit the prequels were, but at least they had some sort of coherent narrative, even if the execution was wack.

if someone asked you "what are the prequels about" you could sum it up fairly succinctly. i couldn't begin to tell you what the point of the new films are.

i'll believe you if you can explain the what the trade war was, the purpose of obiwan and quigon going to where it was they found anakin, and why the jarjar dudes were fighting in TPM without looking it up online

i legit cannot remember anything about AOTC other than sand is coarse and the arena fight plus flippy yoda at the end

e: was AOTC the one with daddy boba fett and the weird stretched out aliens that made all the stormtroopers? or was that in the third one?

[toku]

They're coherent in that the point of the films is to show us how Darth Vader and the Empire happened. Now they very may well have done a shit job of this with bad acting and bad scripts but you still generally know why these movies exist. I still don't really know what the point of the Disney movies are, aside from retelling the og trilogy in a 'first as tragedy then as farce' situation.

That's the biggest thing I think with pretty much every single thing SW related since Disney took over. They refuse to actually move forward. All this new talent/actors etc and all they've done is have them play dress up and go through the same myths and narrative idea Lucas was doing 30 years ago...but worse.

I wouldn't be surprised if Disney really leans into and starts just repackaging all the EU stuff they threw out. You're already seeing a little of this happen as diehard sw dudes seem to be enjoying some of the stuff being told in darkhorse comics, the reaction to fallen order and so on.

[toku]

The thing that bugs me the most about The Mandalorian that I haven't see anyone bring up really is that it's lineage isn't samurai films or even classic lucas movies. It's the fucking Clone Wars cartoons. Every single Mandalorian episode so far feels like someone just shot Clone Wars/Clone Wars Saga storyboards. The way the show uses music cues, the way the camera follows action, the humor and even the characters all scream Clone Wars cartoon to me. I feel like I'm watching a live action cartoon. 

[nachobro]

class questlines in TOR are the best star wars stories in the last decade

The thing that bugs me the most about The Mandalorian that I haven't see anyone bring up really is that it's lineage isn't samurai films or even classic lucas movies. It's the fucking Clone Wars cartoons. Every single Mandalorian episode so far feels like someone just shot Clone Wars/Clone Wars Saga storyboards. The way the show uses music cues, the way the camera follows action, the humor and even the characters all scream Clone Wars cartoon to me. I feel like I'm watching a live action cartoon.

funny enough, this sounds like what lucas always wanted tbh

[Tasty]

They're coherent in that the point of the films is to show us how Darth Vader and the Empire happened. Now they very may well have done a shit job of this with bad acting and bad scripts but you still generally know why these movies exist. I still don't really know what the point of the Disney movies are, aside from retelling the og trilogy in a 'first as tragedy then as farce' situation.

That's the biggest thing I think with pretty much every single thing SW related since Disney took over. They refuse to actually move forward. All this new talent/actors etc and all they've done is have them play dress up and go through the same myths and narrative idea Lucas was doing 30 years ago...but worse.

I wouldn't be surprised if Disney really leans into and starts just repackaging all the EU stuff they threw out. You're already seeing a little of this happen as diehard sw dudes seem to be enjoying some of the stuff being told in darkhorse comics, the reaction to fallen order and so on.

Well plus Thrawn was made into a big fucken deal in Rebels a few years back, that's what I really think kicked off the EU re-imports.

[Tasty]

class questlines in TOR are the best star wars stories in the last decade

The thing that bugs me the most about The Mandalorian that I haven't see anyone bring up really is that it's lineage isn't samurai films or even classic lucas movies. It's the fucking Clone Wars cartoons. Every single Mandalorian episode so far feels like someone just shot Clone Wars/Clone Wars Saga storyboards. The way the show uses music cues, the way the camera follows action, the humor and even the characters all scream Clone Wars cartoon to me. I feel like I'm watching a live action cartoon.

funny enough, this sounds like what lucas always wanted tbh

I'm not even into MMOs but I thought TOR was really underrated.

Maybe I should check it out again. Ironically it's literally the only pre-Disney Star Wars property that is still running (since switching to F2P I think it started being really profitable, so at least Disney isn't that dumb to eject profitable things.)

The old EU still lives on, officially, at least in one capacity.

[toku]

Yeah the live-action cartoon, I didn't really mean it as a dig it's just now what I expected going in and it took me a couple eps to clock what I was feeling but that's where I've settled. A Clone Wars/Rebels spin-off they just decided to shoot instead of animate.

[EchoRin]

we don't need to rake over how shit the prequels were, but at least they had some sort of coherent narrative, even if the execution was wack.

if someone asked you "what are the prequels about" you could sum it up fairly succinctly. i couldn't begin to tell you what the point of the new films are.

i'll believe you if you can explain the what the trade war was, the purpose of obiwan and quigon going to where it was they found anakin, and why the jarjar dudes were fighting in TPM without looking it up online

i legit cannot remember anything about AOTC other than sand is coarse and the arena fight plus flippy yoda at the end

e: was AOTC the one with daddy boba fett and the weird stretched out aliens that made all the stormtroopers? or was that in the third one?

Daddy Boba is in the second. He gets his noggin chopped off at the end where there is that massive fight in the gladiator arena. Weird stormtroopers? Probably ep 2 as well. Obi-Wan goes to some random planet by himself for some reason. I mean it's hard to remember something you haven't seen since 2006.

[Kara]

Well plus Thrawn was made into a big fucken deal in Rebels a few years back, that's what I really think kicked off the EU re-imports.

Thrawn in Rebels is pretty funny because he's very much a rehash of the book incarnation (even down to the studying art) but he's a big bad running... counter insurgency operations? As if we needed more U.S. / Empire parallels after Return of the Jedi.

e: Or Rogue One.

[Tasty]

Yeah the live-action cartoon, I didn't really mean it as a dig it's just now what I expected going in and it took me a couple eps to clock what I was feeling but that's where I've settled. A Clone Wars/Rebels spin-off they just decided to shoot instead of animate.

Makes sense to me. Weird the TV shows have more tonal consistency despite differing in mediums vs. the new theatrical movies, which are all live action.

[Tasty]

[nachobro]

I'm not even into MMOs but I thought TOR was really underrated.

Maybe I should check it out again. Ironically it's literally the only pre-Disney Star Wars property that is still running (since switching to F2P I think it started being really profitable, so at least Disney isn't that dumb to eject profitable things.)

The old EU still lives on, officially, at least in one capacity.

i go back to it when they release new story expansions every few years (one just came out a few months ago, i need to check it out) but they are all pretty good. two expansions ago they did a semi-world reset cause your character got frozen in carbonite for five years and an evil empire took over (lol of course).

but also the game is still run by ea so it is the most nickle and dimey f2p i've ever played. they make you pay for binding spells to keys/clicks and to remove your helmet in a game that tells the whole story by showing your character's face all time, so it's easier to just subscribe

[nachobro]

also this is what i was thinking of. the long aliens that made the clones



this movie sucked so much ass

[Tasty]

I'm not even into MMOs but I thought TOR was really underrated.

Maybe I should check it out again. Ironically it's literally the only pre-Disney Star Wars property that is still running (since switching to F2P I think it started being really profitable, so at least Disney isn't that dumb to eject profitable things.)

The old EU still lives on, officially, at least in one capacity.

i go back to it when they release new story expansions every few years (one just came out a few months ago, i need to check it out) but they are all pretty good. two expansions ago they did a semi-world reset cause your character got frozen in carbonite for five years and an evil empire took over (lol of course).

but also the game is still run by ea so it is the most nickle and dimey f2p i've ever played. they make you pay for binding spells to keys/clicks and to remove your helmet in a game that tells the whole story by showing your character's face all time, so it's easier to just subscribe

Yeah I was originally a beta tester then subscriber, so if I went back I wouldn't mind kicking in some bucks for shit like that.

[paprikastaude]

if someone asked you "what are the prequels about" you could sum it up fairly succinctly.

I have yet to understand like Christopher Lee's role in all of it - I think he's supposed to be a main villain, but really... who the fuck was his character? And what meaning the robot guys in Episode 1 had in the movie, let alone in the rest of the series. Or what the emperor's plan was other than to get shot in the face. Also there's giant flies that build the Death Star? It was a convoluted mess of a narrative, much more than the new movies.

[nachobro]

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Palpatine says "I AM SNOKE" just before the Snoke-clones-in-tanks reveal. When Kylo asks how he's returned, Palpatine repeats "The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural" from Ep III. That's all we get, other than Dom Monighan and company spit-balling how he could be back and basically chalking it up to Sith magic.

[close]

jj is a fan of prequel memes i guess

[Uncle]

I was spoiled on TLJ and thought it sounded good, didn't see it till it was out on VOD and thought it was bad cause of how it executed it's ideas.

That was surprising as I genuinely think Rian Johnson is a good director, JJ fucking sucks 99% of the time so I don't doubt it'll be just as awful in execution as it reads on paper.

This whole thing is insanely mismanaged. Yeah, George Lucas didn't have a plan with the OT either but him being in charge of all three meant at least it would move coherently from movie to movie. Here you had a bad director who is a little too obsessed with mystery boxes start it off on the safest ground possible, a weirdo director who either doesn't like SW or didn't care to make one outside of experimenting with it but not really committing to any of his ideas while somehow still evoking the OT's scenes and ending a trilogy in the second part, now the first director is back to try and pull out an ending out of thin air by retconning ideas people actually liked in TLJ even if they didn't like the movie.

It's a complete mess. They're better than the prequels, which isn't hard as those three movies are on a level of awful you can only find in movies yet to leave the VHS format. But as a trilogy they don't really fit in to each other very well.

No way is TLJ "better" than the prequels. They're on the same level.

I don't know if I can say that

that's a real tough comparison

the prequels are a cartoon show, but at least the story makes basic dumb sense and isn't wheel spinning!

and I don't think you can find ridiculous plot holes and flat out errors in the prequels to the same extent?

like how finn and rose escape the first order fleet and fly off toward salt planet AFTER every other first order ship, in a generic first order ship not like "the fastest one," and yet somehow manage to be the ONLY SHIP that squeezes through the crack of the giant rebel doors so they can happily reunite with everyone 

[Don Rumata]

Those kind of logistical plot holes don't even bother me much, as long as a thematic arc and a character arc is being built.
That's the biggest issue with this new trilogy, it goes absolutely nowhere with anything.

The Prequel trilogy had a much clearer and defined arc, its problem was that it was shot in the dullest possible way, and that the nitty gritty of the writing was shit, even if the overall arc made sense.

[Uncle]

yeah it's kind of amazing that TLJ managed to spin its wheels on not only the plot but also all the characters

[team filler]

#jjabramsisoverparty

[Uncle]

reading about rise of skywalker

[Momo]

Good thing I still have my Star Wars cartoons you fucks laugh at

[Momo]

The thing that bugs me the most about The Mandalorian that I haven't see anyone bring up really is that it's lineage isn't samurai films or even classic lucas movies. It's the fucking Clone Wars cartoons. Every single Mandalorian episode so far feels like someone just shot Clone Wars/Clone Wars Saga storyboards. The way the show uses music cues, the way the camera follows action, the humor and even the characters all scream Clone Wars cartoon to me. I feel like I'm watching a live action cartoon. 

The guy who does the cartoons is a creative on the show, tbh I love his work. The thing that actually bothers me the most about this show is the Mandalorians do not behave anything like the Mandalorians we get to know in the cartoons/canon

[Momo]

AND WHERE IS SABINE 

[Uncle]

all I really know about the cartoons is at some point I saw an episode where jar jar was like sneaking around a facility and actually doing something cool and I didn't hate him

[Kara]

The Mandalorians in The Mandalorian don't seem that different from the Death Watch adherents?

[bluemax]

What happens to Leia?

What happens to JJ Abrams BFF SNAX WEXLEY?!?

[Himu]

Man TLJ is kinda wack but nothing is as bad as prequel material. The cognitive dissonance when comparing the prequels to Disney's own flaccid attempts make no sense to me.

Like have y'all seen Attack Of The Clones? That shit was as putrid as putrid gets.

I have seen Attack of the Clones only once.

I have also seen TLJ only once.

All I know is that the casino and Finn's adventures reminded me of the prequels.

[Himu]

#jjabramsisoverparty

It's trending on twitter and it's hilarious

[Momo]

The Mandalorians in The Mandalorian don't seem that different from the Death Watch adherents?

Post clone wars the Mandalorians get a bunch of development in Rebels. Also if they evolved from the death watch one of those fellows should have the deathsaber

[thetylerrob]

I still can’t believe that there was a major subplot in Star Wars about how you shouldn’t question authority because being a hot shot is bad or something toxic masculinity Trump is bad respect women. And people defended it.

[Himu]

I still can’t believe that there was a major subplot in Star Wars about how you shouldn’t question authority because being a hot shot is bad or something toxic masculinity Trump is bad respect women. And people defended it.

Stop reminding me of that movie. It infuriates me.

[BIONIC]

Attack of the Clones gave us this, thus it’s better than your faves:

if someone asked you "what are the prequels about" you could sum it up fairly succinctly.

I have yet to understand like Christopher Lee's role in all of it - I think he's supposed to be a main villain, but really... who the fuck was his character? And what meaning the robot guys in Episode 1 had in the movie, let alone in the rest of the series. Or what the emperor's plan was other than to get shot in the face. Also there's giant flies that build the Death Star? It was a convoluted mess of a narrative, much more than the new movies.

CHILD. LEVEL. IDEAS.

[team filler]

adult anakin should have went back to podracing and owned!

[Momo]

adult anakin should have went back to podracing and owned!

[Kara]

The Mandalorians in The Mandalorian don't seem that different from the Death Watch adherents?

Post clone wars the Mandalorians get a bunch of development in Rebels. Also if they evolved from the death watch one of those fellows should have the deathsaber

I watched Rebels.

My point was that they're not that alien from a Death Watch salafist, not that they are the heirs to Death Watch. The shows established that they're a very disunited people who have contradictory beliefs.

[BIONIC]

You fucking nerds seriously and furiously discussing kiddy shit like Star Wars

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I’m probably watching this shit on Friday

[close]

[Momo]

The Mandalorians in The Mandalorian don't seem that different from the Death Watch adherents?

Post clone wars the Mandalorians get a bunch of development in Rebels. Also if they evolved from the death watch one of those fellows should have the deathsaber

I watched Rebels.

My point was that they're not that alien from a Death Watch salafist, not that they are the heirs to Death Watch. The shows established that they're a very disunited people who have contradictory beliefs.

oh yeah my head canon was they were a clan i've never seen before and this is their way. post civil war the mandos were a lot more unified tho.

[Momo]

[benjipwns]

I have yet to understand like Christopher Lee's role in all of it - I think he's supposed to be a main villain, but really... who the fuck was his character? And what meaning the robot guys in Episode 1 had in the movie, let alone in the rest of the series. Or what the emperor's plan was other than to get shot in the face. Also there's giant flies that build the Death Star? It was a convoluted mess of a narrative, much more than the new movies.

Lucas killed Darth Maul in the first movie so he needed a second villain.

[benjipwns]

really the entire logic behind every single part of the Clone Wars in the films is quite odd, also this is supposed to be a Republic of like a trillion people or some shit and literally nobody, including the Jedi (except Obi-Wan), seem to care about any of it and just go along with everything, even after Palpatine wins the war against himself they're all like "this is what we do now, we're an Empire, sorry"

even Yoda's like "what do can we" when he shows up in AOTC despite Obi-Wan already telling him what's going on

[Coffee Dog]

I'm surprised that the film is getting critically slagged, but it shows how much damage TLJ/Solo did to the brand that reviewers are unafraid of doing so. All three prequel films as well as TLJ got rave critical reviews.

[NekoFever]

I watched TLJ last night. The Finn/Rose casino planet plotline is completely redundant prequel-tier garbage but I quite like the rest. The Luke/Rey/Kylo plot is great.

I'm seeing ROS tomorrow evening and am expecting a glorious clusterfuck.

[benjipwns]

[headwalk]

the reviews to me just read like the reviews TFA should've had.

[benjipwns]

In the wake of this there are going to be a lot of people trying to assign blame.

Be it JJ Abrams, Disney, Gamergate, China, SJWs, Nintex, etc. someone will be said to have ruined the Star War. But I am here to reveal to you all something.

IT WAS ME AUSTIN, IT WAS ME ALL ALONG

Finally my long plot of revenge against the world for its absurdly high reception of Star Trek and Star Trek Into Darkness is complete. Especially the period post-ID's release where they were the two highest reviewed films of the franchise and where they remain the two highest Metacritic Trek films and two highest grossing Trek films. Much like Palpatine I threw you all off the scent just to strike back at you with a nonsensical plan in the end! Tremble before my UNLIMITED POOOWWWWWWWEEEEERRRRRRR! I AM THE SENATE! THIRD MEME REFERENCE!

[Uncle]

I don't know if I ever really followed Dooku, I know he had a bigger role in the cartoon series and assumed he was fleshed out there

I thought he was somehow a nod to a bigger universe where counts exist and have a more formal education and learn a different dueling style and all that

[nachobro]

In the wake of this there are going to be a lot of people trying to assign blame.

Be it JJ Abrams, Disney, Gamergate, China, SJWs, Nintex, etc. someone will be said to have ruined the Star War. But I am here to reveal to you all something.

IT WAS ME AUSTIN, IT WAS ME ALL ALONG

Finally my long plot of revenge against the world for its absurdly high reception of Star Trek and Star Trek Into Darkness is complete. Especially the period post-ID's release where they were the two highest reviewed films of the franchise and where they remain the two highest Metacritic Trek films and two highest grossing Trek films. Much like Palpatine I threw you all off the scent just to strike back at you with a nonsensical plan in the end! Tremble before my UNLIMITED POOOWWWWWWWEEEEERRRRRRR! I AM THE SENATE! THIRD MEME REFERENCE!

[nachobro]

Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker is what happens when a franchise gives up
The new movie is a colossal failure of imagination.

https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/12/18/21021188/star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-review-no-spoilers

Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker is the Force ghost version of a movie

http://share.ew.com/4D5thKV

Review: The Rise of Skywalker—and the Fall of Fun
J.J. Abrams's Star Wars trilogy-ender is too desperate to be loved to take any real risks.

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/12/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-review

Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker is an entertaining but deeply flawed final chapter that ultimately plays it too safe.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/12/18/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-review?sf114475186=1

Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker Review: A Disappointing End To The Skywalker Saga

https://www.cinemablend.com/reviews/2486987/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-review-a-disappointing-end-to-the-skywalker-saga

Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker Review - A Galactic Disappointment

https://www.gamespot.com/reviews/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-review-a-galactic-/1900-6417383/

[Great Rumbler]

Rise of Skywalker has a lower rating on RT than Attack of the Clones.

[daemon]

Yeah the live-action cartoon, I didn't really mean it as a dig it's just now what I expected going in and it took me a couple eps to clock what I was feeling but that's where I've settled. A Clone Wars/Rebels spin-off they just decided to shoot instead of animate.

Disney has some incredible sociopath tendencies.

"Hey i'm gonna make a kids movie"
-Okay just make sure you make adults cry

"Hey i'm gonna make a teen+ show"
-Okay just make sure it's for kids too

[nachobro]

Rise of Skywalker has a lower rating on RT than Attack of the Clones.

[ToxicAdam]

From the NYT review - “The director is J.J. Abrams, perhaps the most consistent B student in modern popular culture.”

Ouch.

It's going to be funny if Cats becomes a higher-rated movie among critics and audiences.

[daemon]

Rise of Skywalker has a lower rating on RT than Attack of the Clones.

This somehow gives me hope, considering TLJ got a 91% and TFA got a 93%

[Great Rumbler]

It shouldn't, since it just means that Star Wars movies have very over-inflated RT ratings.

[daemon]

It shouldn't, since it just means that Star Wars movies have very over-inflated RT ratings.

Well, fuck.

[Himu]

I watched TLJ last night. The Finn/Rose casino planet plotline is completely redundant prequel-tier garbage but I quite like the rest. The Luke/Rey/Kylo plot is great.

I'm seeing ROS tomorrow evening and am expecting a glorious clusterfuck.

The Rey/Luke/Kylo stuff is great until they backtrack.

[Himu]

BAHAHAHA

THE THING WE KNEW AFTER TLJ CAME TO PASS

STAR WARS IS DEAD!

LONG LIVE THE WAR OF THE STARS!