It's 20XX and people are mad online about Star War!

[Himu]

[Great Rumbler]

Rewatched TLJ today with my parents, ended up enjoying the movie more than I did the first time. The low parts didn't bother me as much, and I appreciated the high points even more.

[chronovore]

I cant wait for Rebels to start up again

I can't wait to see how they tie it in with Rogue One.

They've already had bits in the film, right? I recall the GHOST was visible during the attack on the, er, "beach planet" where the Empire had the plans for the Death Star stored…

I also half-thought the Phantom is the same design as the ship Finn and Rose take to Canto Bight.

[benjipwns]

Stayler17
Finally a movie reviewer who isn't afraid of saying he likes a movie that deals with religion.

[Momo]

I cant wait for Rebels to start up again

I can't wait to see how they tie it in with Rogue One.

They've already had bits in the film, right? I recall the GHOST was visible during the attack on the, er, "beach planet" where the Empire had the plans for the Death Star stored…

I also half-thought the Phantom is the same design as the ship Finn and Rose take to Canto Bight.

Yup. it's already had significant tie in to rogue one, they will make this connect with a new hope at the end now.

[Tasty]

[CatsCatsCats]

Is that episode 9?

[Tasty]

We can only hope.

Crab Rose as the hero

[chronovore]

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/950394363384807424.html

I liked this, too. Some of you guys want to bash TLJ, that's, like, your opinion, man…

But We were not talking for this many pages about TFA, it was like cotton candy — Yeah, that was defo a Star Wars movie, even one we've seen before. Twice before, even — it's a rip off of A New Hope and Empire…

I don't think TLJ is perfect, but it took more chances than anything else we've seen so far, most of those chances landing successfully for me.

[Tasty]

Finally saw this last night, don't really know what to think about it. My overall feeling is I'm glad it was something new, so it's better than TFA just because of that.

I rewatched the teaser though and the scene I was looking forward to the most got cut, apparently:



I was really interested in what Rey was running to/from with the lightsaber at sunset. She looked pretty desperate and determined about something.

[chronovore]

Lightsaber poop knife.

[Joe Molotov]

Had to drop the droids off at Jabba's Palace.

[team filler]

turd cutter was about to have its shield generator blown up

[Tasty]

After thinking on it for about a day, you know what?

No.

This isn't how Luke Skywalker should go down.

I agree with Hamill. It's a very interesting concept, but the execution of individual scenes, and the writing of Luke himself, doesn't jive with the first three films.

The scene playing over and over in my mind during every Luke scene in TLJ was the last scene of ROTJ.

Those were not a continuation of that. A fan fiction, an expanded universe, a what if scenario, sure.

But that is not my Luke.

This movie doesn't get to reuse the binary sunset and that music cue to play with my emotions.

Luke and Hamill deserved far better.

Admittedly, the shot of him facing down the row of AT-ATs by himself is probably the most perfect shot of Luke Skywalker I could have ever hoped for, but the context just wasn't there.

[Mandark]

nah it was good

[team filler]

nah it was good

stfu bobby

[Tasty]

I'm still determining if it was good. I do maintain it is better than TFA.

But the Luke aspect was too jarring for me.

[Himu]

The Luke thing is the only thing I liked really liked about the movie. How is it jarring?

[Tasty]

The Luke scenes were the best part but... I just didn't think of it as Luke from the original trilogy. It felt like a new "old hermit" Jedi character. What is there in TLJ to connect that Luke to the one we got to know over previous three films?

[Himu]

That's the new trilogy in a nutshell tho. What's there connecting this new galaxy to the old one where the rebels won? 30 years go by and we don't we get to see what happens. Just get a short - but totally not good enough - summary in the crawl. That said, I think it's OT Luke to a T. The same guy who gave up pulling his ship out of the water would definitely be the same guy who gave up on his student when he smells a hint of the dark side in a famously dark side family. What Yoda said to Luke,"always looking to the horizon" was a great summary of his character, and I thought it was a great continuation and conclusion to the legacy of Luke Skywalker.

[Tasty]

It's a shame because I was pretty excited for TFA, and even after TFA though I got a bit less excited I still had faith in the Lucasfilm "story team" or whatever. But like, no one has even fucking made a veiled reference to fucking LANDO CALRISSIAN.

Eps 7-9 are fan fiction by fanboys who can't see past ANH and certain scenes of ESB. To them it's like ROTJ and the prequels never happened. They probably feel like they're "quality purists" who only incorporate the good parts of SW, but the scrubbing of the prequels, Lando, and basically anything EU is not only an insult to fans of the original trilogy and possibly Lucas himself, but it's also creatively bankrupt.

I had hope the new trilogy would have some kind of purpose. That faith faltered when they recycled ANH into TFA, but it's completely gone after TLJ. They can throw whomever they want at these movies but there's no chance for anything new here.

[Tasty]

Who the fuck is Snoke anyways?

This kind of "introduce some super Force user and then kill him off without explaining anything" shit would not fly if this were the first trilogy of Star Wars being produced. It only semi-works because TLJ assumes familiarity with 4-6. "We got a new Emperor... Psyche!" It's incredibly cheap. The new trilogy should be made to stand on its own and it just doesn't at all. Actually even the prequels -possibly not most of ROTS- could be seen as their own thing.

Despite the mantra of "kill the past," 7 and 8 are still utterly tied to the older films to the point that it's not even worth watching them if you haven't seen the originals.

[Himu]

Yes, yesssssss. Embrace it. Realize in your heart of hearts what the new trilogy is. Then come to realize the truth: Star Wars isn't shit except for maybe ESB and depending on who you ask ROTJ. Yes, yesssss. Join us.

[agrajag]

Who the fuck was the Emperor anyway?

[Tasty]

Also that fucking force-using dumbass slave kid who couldn't act his way out of a paper bag with the label "for Jake Lloyd ONLY" on it reminded me waaaaayyyyy too much of that Hack Snyder Man of Steel bullshit with Kid Clark wearing a cape at the end even though IT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE.

Fuck Zack Snyder and fuck this new trilogy. I WISH Trevorrow was still on 9, at least in that case there was a chance he'd fuck it up so badly it'd be interesting.

[Himu]

What'd you think of the casino scene and its prequel-isms?

[Momo]

Ya Star Wars wasnt very good and immensely dissatisfying, not mad though, it is what it is. #ufchawaii #letsdothedamnthing

[Tasty]

What'd you think of the casino scene and its prequel-isms?

If Benicio was Lando "as planned" (allegedly) it might have worked, maybe? Rose is a fucking garbo character though, which is a shame since she seems cool IRL. I'm 100% sure they didn't expect the prequel comparisons (cause this is the fucking company that saw someone in the CG department put prequel-specific flags on Maz's cantina in the trailer for TFA and then fucking pasted over them in photoshop for the final release) but in the very smallest sense, the fact we can connect them to 1-3 is something I suppose.

[Himu]

Benicio should have been Han. It should have been him inside the AT ST instead of that fucking Mary Bender BB-8.

[hungrynoob]

I kinda like it, but i can see why people didnt like it.

I can understand after all the fan hype and theories of certain questions, why people would be pissed off that they just let to "its nothing" big fuck up there I think because this was a massive driving force building hype for the movie, the mystery the possibilities. That ended up just now rey vs kylo. Cool I guess, but youve taken all that energy surrounding the lore and just straight up murdered it. And while that was kinda a part of the plot of the movie, i feel like that was the wrong decision.

Also leia coming in clutch was a bit weird but w/e.

[chronovore]

The lore has been improved over the bullshittery of the Prequels.

The Force has been restored to something we all have, not just someone having midichlorians or the right parents.

The Emperor was JUST AS INEXPLICABLE AND OF UNIMPORTANT ORIGIN in ESB and ROTJ. No1 curr.

People who think Rian pissed on the story of VII are willfully or fundamentally ignorant.

[Himu]

I agree all that except the third one, Chrono. Come on. The emperor wasn't hanlded the best in the OT so that makes it okay to handle Snoke poorly in the sequal trilogy? It doesn't fly with me and just feel like an excuse.

[hungrynoob]

The lore has been improved over the bullshittery of the Prequels.

The Force has been restored to something we all have, not just someone having midichlorians or the right parents.

The Emperor was JUST AS INEXPLICABLE AND OF UNIMPORTANT ORIGIN in ESB and ROTJ. No1 curr.

People who think Rian pissed on the story of VII are willfully or fundamentally ignorant.

When I saw the OT i was super young and it never really meant much to me. And I kinda grew up with the prequels and so I dont mind them. So your point about the emporer is kinda moot for me as its kinda always been for me that palpatine was sidious. That being said, I actually really liked the way the force as portrayed in this movie.

[Mandark]

The emperor wasn't hanlded the best in the OT

Is that even the case, though? Did people enjoy those movies less because we didn't get a back story for that character?

I think the main change was the way audiences tend to approach these things (which JJ was happy to enable, of course).

[Himu]

I personally don't think that's the case, but that's the argument being made.

[Great Rumbler]

Snoke did his job and once it was done he get iced. That's really all there is to it. Now they can spend all of 9 on Rey and Kylo's conflict.

[team filler]

Is the Snoke movie coming 2019 or 2020?

[Momo]

Is the Snoke movie coming 2019 or 2020?

I think that's coming after the Rose trilogy, Fix Things, Fix Things 2: Fix Harder, Fix Things Forever.

[chronovore]

I agree all that except the third one, Chrono. Come on. The emperor wasn't hanlded the best in the OT so that makes it okay to handle Snoke poorly in the sequal trilogy? It doesn't fly with me and just feel like an excuse.

I'm not saying the Emperor or Snoke were handled poorly. I'm observing that the Emperor was an even scarier Big Bad Guy than Darth Vader, the same way that Snoke was a BBG compared to Kylo Ren. I'm stating that the OT didn't explain the origins of everything ad nauseum, left it open to interpretation, and benefited from leaving things vague.

[team filler]

this new trilogy just makes me want another trilogy that will tell me what the fuck happened between episodes 6 and 7. It's like when you're binge watching a tv show and you accidentally skip over an episode or two. You realize there's shit going on that's familiar, but you've clearly missed some vital information. Then you look at the episode number and go back to the ep you were supposed to be on 

[agrajag]

Snoke did his job and once it was done he get iced. That's really all there is to it. Now they can spend all of 9 on Rey and Kylo's conflict.

 

Too bad Kylo doesn't compell me. He keeps acting like a BIAAAATCH 

[Himu]

I agree all that except the third one, Chrono. Come on. The emperor wasn't hanlded the best in the OT so that makes it okay to handle Snoke poorly in the sequal trilogy? It doesn't fly with me and just feel like an excuse.

I'm not saying the Emperor or Snoke were handled poorly. I'm observing that the Emperor was an even scarier Big Bad Guy than Darth Vader, the same way that Snoke was a BBG compared to Kylo Ren. I'm stating that the OT didn't explain the origins of everything ad nauseum, left it open to interpretation, and benefited from leaving things vague.

OK. I agree the OT benefited from that but I don't think that's the case here. If they put a line in there showing that Snoke knew that Kylo would kill him, to the point where he's fine whether he kills Rey or him, and it sort of does, I think it would have gone over better. There's been talk that Sith take over leadership by killing their masters but the movie doesn't recognize this much less mention it. If they had Snoke smile and say,"Good, good. Your training is complete" before he dies from the saber, it would have gone over MUCH BETTER for me. But as is, it's left far too open, far more so than the Emperor in the OT, to the point where it just gets a shrug from me and doesn't lead to anything truly interesting. That would also show to Snoke's guards not to fight them because Kylo is now the rightful heir to the throne, as he has killed his Sith master, but that wouldn't allow the wonderful fight crescendo scene. So  I think there was potential there but they flubbed it and really, all they needed was the one line and they fucked even that up.

[TVC15]

I agree all that except the third one, Chrono. Come on. The emperor wasn't hanlded the best in the OT so that makes it okay to handle Snoke poorly in the sequal trilogy? It doesn't fly with me and just feel like an excuse.

I'm not saying the Emperor or Snoke were handled poorly. I'm observing that the Emperor was an even scarier Big Bad Guy than Darth Vader, the same way that Snoke was a BBG compared to Kylo Ren. I'm stating that the OT didn't explain the origins of everything ad nauseum, left it open to interpretation, and benefited from leaving things vague.

OK. I agree the OT benefited from that but I don't think that's the case here.

Cindi is right as always. During the OT, the situation is different. By the time the new trilogy rolls around, we have like 40-50 in-universe years of history, and considering that includes a period where the force was so rare that it was considered a myth, a figure like Snoke should have some sort of story about either his rise during the fall of the empire, or an explanation on just where the fuck he came from, if he’s from outside the OT conflict.

[Mandark]

If they put a line in there showing that Snoke knew that Kylo would kill him, to the point where he's fine whether he kills Rey or him, and it sort of does, I think it would have gone over better. There's been talk that Sith take over leadership by killing their masters but the movie doesn't recognize this much less mention it. If they had Snoke smile and say,"Good, good. Your training is complete" before he dies from the saber, it would have gone over MUCH BETTER for me.

See, that just strikes me as being really fanfic-y.

But also the Sith lore (there are always only two of them and the master always gets killed by the apprentice) always bugged me and I think I'm in the minority there.

[Himu]

Well, idk I'm not the screen writer. Something feels missing and it's what I've thought.

[agrajag]

according to the eu lore there wasn't always a rule of two, but all of that stuff is not canon now so lol and snoke didn't even identify as sith

[Momo]

Are the original Sith still a race n current lore?

Why does this seem so much like Jewish people 

[hungrynoob]

Are the original Sith still a race n current lore?

Why does this seem so much like Jewish people 

The political significance of star wars was allow people to recognise evil within a system that puts that system under threat or some shit, I remember reading about it awhile back, but it was revolving around american politics. There was even quotes from lucas himself.

Considering isreal own's america and trump, well...

[paprikastaude]

I didn't even know/recognize the term Sith until episode 3, because the OT was better than to overexplain good vs. evil fairytales.

[Himu]

Are the original Sith still a race n current lore?

Why does this seem so much like Jewish people 

The political significance of star wars was allow people to recognise evil within a system that puts that system under threat or some shit, I remember reading about it awhile back, but it was revolving around american politics. There was even quotes from lucas himself.

Considering isreal own's america and trump, well...

Uhhhhhhhhh you can't make this post without providing a link what the fuck

[hungrynoob]

The jewish part was a joke obv, but honestly it was ages ago, and i dont have time to find it now. You can wait 16 hours i will be back.

[paprikastaude]

And Ewoks are a really stupid twist on Viet Minh warfare.

[chronovore]

OK. I agree the OT benefited from that but I don't think that's the case here. If they put a line in there showing that Snoke knew that Kylo would kill him, to the point where he's fine whether he kills Rey or him, and it sort of does, I think it would have gone over better. There's been talk that Sith take over leadership by killing their masters but the movie doesn't recognize this much less mention it. If they had Snoke smile and say,"Good, good. Your training is complete" before he dies from the saber, it would have gone over MUCH BETTER for me. But as is, it's left far too open, far more so than the Emperor in the OT, to the point where it just gets a shrug from me and doesn't lead to anything truly interesting. That would also show to Snoke's guards not to fight them because Kylo is now the rightful heir to the throne, as he has killed his Sith master, but that wouldn't allow the wonderful fight crescendo scene. So  I think there was potential there but they flubbed it and really, all they needed was the one line and they fucked even that up.

Snoke is never stated to be a Sith, nor is Kylo. It's clear Kylo's emulating Darth Vader, and Supreme Leader Snoke is filling a similar role as Emperor Palpatine did for Vader, but the relationship is only Sith-like.

[chronovore]

IT RHYMES.

[Joe Molotov]

OK. I agree the OT benefited from that but I don't think that's the case here. If they put a line in there showing that Snoke knew that Kylo would kill him, to the point where he's fine whether he kills Rey or him, and it sort of does, I think it would have gone over better. There's been talk that Sith take over leadership by killing their masters but the movie doesn't recognize this much less mention it. If they had Snoke smile and say,"Good, good. Your training is complete" before he dies from the saber, it would have gone over MUCH BETTER for me. But as is, it's left far too open, far more so than the Emperor in the OT, to the point where it just gets a shrug from me and doesn't lead to anything truly interesting. That would also show to Snoke's guards not to fight them because Kylo is now the rightful heir to the throne, as he has killed his Sith master, but that wouldn't allow the wonderful fight crescendo scene. So  I think there was potential there but they flubbed it and really, all they needed was the one line and they fucked even that up.

Snoke is never stated to be a Sith, nor is Kylo. It's clear Kylo's emulating Darth Vader, and Supreme Leader Snoke is filling a similar role as Emperor Palpatine did for Vader, but the relationship is only Sith-like.

The Knights of Ren aren't Sith, some of them are very fine people.

[team filler]

knights of ren were darkside ewoks

[Himu]

OK. I agree the OT benefited from that but I don't think that's the case here. If they put a line in there showing that Snoke knew that Kylo would kill him, to the point where he's fine whether he kills Rey or him, and it sort of does, I think it would have gone over better. There's been talk that Sith take over leadership by killing their masters but the movie doesn't recognize this much less mention it. If they had Snoke smile and say,"Good, good. Your training is complete" before he dies from the saber, it would have gone over MUCH BETTER for me. But as is, it's left far too open, far more so than the Emperor in the OT, to the point where it just gets a shrug from me and doesn't lead to anything truly interesting. That would also show to Snoke's guards not to fight them because Kylo is now the rightful heir to the throne, as he has killed his Sith master, but that wouldn't allow the wonderful fight crescendo scene. So  I think there was potential there but they flubbed it and really, all they needed was the one line and they fucked even that up.

Snoke is never stated to be a Sith, nor is Kylo. It's clear Kylo's emulating Darth Vader, and Supreme Leader Snoke is filling a similar role as Emperor Palpatine did for Vader, but the relationship is only Sith-like.

Is this fan speculation? I don't remember if they said they were absolutely not Sith. Either way, they still deal in the dark side and have red lightsabers. To most SW fans that means Sith unless said otherwise. Did they say they weren't in either of the new movies?

[Momo]

But for real, is the sith being a race still a thing? I forget which piece of star wars media brought that into lore.

[VomKriege]

The Sith lore is dogshit. It's like Lucas never decided they were supposed to be warlocks or a secret society with political goals. It's the most brittle and weak succession process you could imagine ever in reality or in fiction.

That and the whole balance thing with the Jedi that was left so vague it was useless.

[zomgee]

Who the fuck was the Emperor anyway?

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