Street Fighter V: Super $60 Server-Beta Test Edition - Season 2 Underway!

[Beezy]

Is this still supposed to be cross platform? Is that working yet?

Game is cool btw. Glad I bought it. And my 360 stick works with no issues.

[bork]

well it'll work on fighters he already has and future ones. it's not a bad investment if you plan to play fightan games in general.

Memory refresher:

Got this today from Amazon.  Never played the Betas.  Realize there's no real single player anything and I don't play online.  Put it in the closet to pull out occasionally when friends come over.

[bork]

Is this still supposed to be cross platform? Is that working yet?

Yup and yup. 

[nachobro]

ya it works. the longer loads times for ps4 are definitely noticeable when playing on pc though

[Beezy]

Ah shit.

[Bebpo]

Yeah, I have a HRAP2 that I loved and used for like 6 years for fighting games & shmups.  Also have a crappy $60 fighting stick for X360 that I used for DoA4 & cave Shmups.

Now I've got a million PS3 fighters & shmups, half of them in my backlog or untouched still like Tekken Tag 2, Street Fighter x Tekken, P4A Ultimax, Blazblue Chrono Phan, Undernight Rebirth, Dengeki Bunko, Arcana Heart Max, UMvC3, MK9, Soul Calibur V, KoFXIII and then the stuff I still play here and there like VF5 FS and SFIV.  On PS4 now I've been into Xrd and soon Rev, SFV, and Tekken 7, KoFXIV, next Blazblue coming.  Also have Injustice & might get DoA5 LR/MK10 when they're cheap.  MAYBE SOMEDAY A NEW VF WOULD BE NICE.  On PC I've never had a stick, so having a native stick that I can use for MAME shmups and classic games is pretty awesome.  Basically an all in one PS3/PS4/PC stick is useful for me because it revives new fun into PS3 fighters and motivates me to get to some of my backlog ones, it's great for PS4 stuff, it future-proofs me for the rest of this gen, and it gives me a MAME stick which is cool for oddball weekends I feel like playing some classics.  A quality stick that does all that for $200 is worth it for me. 

ya it works. the longer loads times for ps4 are definitely noticeable when playing on pc though

I don't even understand why PS4 load times are so crazy long.  Doesn't it install most/the whole game to the hard drive?  Xrd doesn't have insane loads or anything and SFIV wasn't this bad on PS3.  It's pretty annoying though.  Almost back to the PS1 days of 2d fighters.

[nachobro]

i feel like usf4 for ps4 had the same loadtime issue but i could be wrong. that thing was a mess in so many ways at launch

[bork]

Bebpo- try DOA5LR.  Closest thing to a new VF that you're gonna get.

SFV's load times are OK to me.  Much better than the beta.  The beta had insanely long load times.

[bork]

And I see that the online is not entirely fixed.  Can't seem to invite people into lobbies.  Capcom says the issue is just with new IDs made today.  NOPE.  Couldn't play with Mods Help.   

[bork]

I didn't even post my IDs:

PS4: lyteedge
PC: funkyaction

[Beezy]

PC: Ji3eezy

I couldn't find my friend who's playing on PS4.

[Mods Help]

Lyte it's working now. GET ON

[bork]

Wish I saw this earlier.  I gotta go to bed.  :'(

[nachobro]

PC: Kappakops

[Bebpo]

Got my stick, yeah SF feels much better with six buttons.  Four button fighters (of which there's been a ton lately) are fine on a dual-shock but six button just feels off especial for combos using all 3 strengths.  Probably should pick up a 6 button pad for my local friends so they don't have to play with a dual shock.

[bork]

I see that you can also add people by PSN or Steam ID, too.  Much easier.

I tried playing a private match with my friend.  Both of us on PS4.  Kept disconnecting when making the lobby.

I switched to PC and invited him.  Worked with no problems.

[bork]

My PS4 Mad Catz fightpad never arrived today.  Tracking says it was out for delivery at 6:34 AM, too.  I kind of feel like this is a sign.     Glad PS3 stuff works so it doesn't really matter.

[Mods Help]

This game is the business. I fucking love it. Been listening to the OST all week. Playing this game locally and everyone trying to figure it out is fun as fuck. One tip against grapplers is this: backdash isn't invincible anymore...unless it's against throws. I haven't had the chance to go to training mode yet and see if this extends to command throws, but last night we had a good time learning this shit when I'd fight a Mika and he'd throw me on wake up. Things got a little more interesting when I started to backdash on wake up. Of course, he mixed it up and made it so I had to predict if he was going to throw or use a normal on wakeup, but that's the fun part.

Also, RIP grapplers in this game. If I can zone you out you have no chance. Laura and Birdie - as a grappler long range hybrid - are the most viable. Mika and Gief are free in a lot of areas. Mika is more unpredictable though. Playing a good Mika almost reminds me of playing Faust in GG.

Even Birdie's free

[Mods Help]

Fa real doe

best sf ost since cvs2 and best fg ost since ggxx.

[bork]

Also, RIP grapplers in this game. If I can zone you out you have no chance.

That's how it has always been.  But you're gonna be in for a reality check when you come across a good grappler player. 

While I kinda miss the green hand, I love how Gief has some new tools for getting around projectiles.  I don't find the zoning game to be all that strong in SFV.  It was much bigger in SF4.

[Mods Help]

a good grappler is always scary

sfv projectile isn't as strong as SFIV or SFII because everyone has more tools around them.

zoning != only projectiles

The flip side is that while fbs aren't as viable as II, Alpha, or IV, they still have more utility than in III. in V it's a delicate mix.

[mormapope]

If Guile is like his SF4 or SF2 self, he will have the best zoning in the game.

SF4 and its expansions also had a lot more zoning/fireball characters in general. Ryu, Sagat, Oni, Akuma, Gouken, Guile, Juri, Poison, Evil Ryu, probably forgetting other characters. All of those characters had fireball games and mind games that could really put opponents on edge.

Ken and Sakura have always had weak tit fireballs.

[Mods Help]

Nash is pretty good at zoning. I think Guile will be a more complete character.

[thisismyusername]

Rose?

Also I think Nash will be fine. His spamming Sonic Booms isn't really his goal. His goal is to eat the Hadokens of Ryu/Ken, get in close and steal that meter.

[mormapope]

Rose is great at zoning, but her fireballs were okay or simply good. Her backdash, normals, and spire special all made her really dangerous at medium range.

[Mods Help]

I didn't say Nash's goal is to throw booms. But his booms do the job if he needs to. Nash is a hybrid character. Booms even help set up meter stealing by using an fb as bait.

Rose has the best backdash in SFIV. Her fb's aren't great. What makes her dangerous is her mobility and great normals.

[Mods Help]

If wanted to  play an fb zoner right now, I'd play Fang.

I prefer zoning by kicking and punching people in the face (SF) or using mind games (anime fighters).

I prefer using FB's as pokes. Though, I do love me a good fireball war. 

[Beezy]

Also, RIP grapplers in this game. If I can zone you out you have no chance. Laura and Birdie - as a grappler long range hybrid - are the most viable. Mika and Gief are free in a lot of areas. Mika is more unpredictable though. Playing a good Mika almost reminds me of playing Faust in GG.

I've never been good with grapplers, but Mika looked fun and has no 360 grabs so I've been trying to learn her. It hasn't been working out.

[Mods Help]

Stick with it. At least you're not Gief. Gief is being slated as the worst character in the game. I'd stress that doesn't mean much in the case of V which so far is pretty well balanced.

Playing grapplers will definitely up your footsies game as a pure necessity, though. So there's a trade off to being a good grappler.

I'm not sure which top player plays Mika and is sticking to her so I can't suggest any good play or strategies.

Here's Gootecks vs Zhi.

[Mods Help]

I'm not sure if Bafael's bnb guide for Mika is still current. It is for the characters I play though. Her anti-airs are pretty solid. We established this last night at our local. Mika's got it, but I think it'll take a bit more work depending on the match up. Which isn't different from any other character.

[Mods Help]

Went 1-2 at the tournament tonight. Not bad and lots to reflect on.

Got 1000 LP today. Last fight, I fought a scrub Cammy. When he couldn't win in spacing despite playing a  rushdown character, he resorted to using gimmick hooligans. I hadn't had the chance to test out how to beat hooligan, so it was a fight of experimentation and adaptation. I beat his hooligan and he had nothing to go on. He had 900 points and I'm assuming he spent his entire time doing nothing but that gimmick. Welcome to the real world gimmick shit player. I think I ranked him down too!

Mama Dao's gonna school me in how to use Laura. We have an entire group of FGC women on fb helping each other kick ass.

[bork]

Stick with it. At least you're not Gief. Gief is being slated as the worst character in the game. I'd stress that doesn't mean much in the case of V which so far is pretty well balanced.

Who is saying this?  It seems pretty ridiculous as the game has only just come out.  But it makes me want to main Gief. 

[Mods Help]

People have been saying Gief isn't his best for months, haven't they?

[Mods Help]

http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016/feb/19/zangief-lowest-tier-character-street-fighter-5-snake-eyez/

Gief is low tier. In my experience but it's low tier with an asterisk. SFV so far is so well balanced that Low tier means jack and squat. Although, Gief is still going to have problems but when in the hands of a capable player he'll eat and eat and eat, which is the usual game plan for Gief.

I wouldn't put in any stock in tier lists at this point, from my own experience he is. It doesn't help the game doesn't have much hard knockdown for him to capitalize on.

[thisismyusername]

People have been saying Gief isn't his best for months, haven't they?

A lot of people feel he's ass, yeah. But it's still wayyyy too early in the games life to be going "he's the worst in the game." We need like 2-3 months MAX before even thinking tier lists and the like.

[bork]

I'm starting to think Cammy may suit me more in this game than Chun.  I started out SF4 using Chun, then switched to Zangief, then went to Cammy for the home version, but ended up settling on Chun.  In this game I'm still unsure, but I had some battles against higher-level players and was able to win with Cammy.  With Chun, I got destroyed.  Interestingly enough against a really good Chun I played, I was able to take him down with Birdie...easily.  He annihilated me in mirror matches though.

Cleared Normal Survival twice in a row with Cammy, to get the colors for both outfits.  The difficulty is so weird at the end.  The first time through, I destroyed the CPU and finished it out getting a perfect on Bison in match 30.  The second time through, I got a perfect on Charlie in one of the last matches, then the last match with Bison suddenly was insanely hard and I barely won. 

Not sure if I'm gonna do the next levels of Survival.  I don't want to sit there for that long. 50 matches is crazy, but 100 matches on the hardest difficulty?

[bork]

http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016/feb/19/zangief-lowest-tier-character-street-fighter-5-snake-eyez/

Gief is low tier. In my experience but it's low tier with an asterisk. SFV so far is so well balanced that Low tier means jack and squat. Although, Gief is still going to have problems but when in the hands of a capable player he'll eat and eat and eat, which is the usual game plan for Gief.

I wouldn't put in any stock in tier lists at this point, from my own experience he is. It doesn't help the game doesn't have much hard knockdown for him to capitalize on.

Kinda pointless right now.  I mean, I'll take what higher levels play under advisement, but when SF4 came out in arcades, the character who everyone thought DOMINATED was...Zangief.  Yes, really.  In fact, the top-ranked player on the high score/wins list was named "Red Cyclone."  This is when the game was not only early, but most American and European players had very little to no experiences playing it.   All that Zangief is top-tier stuff disappeared by the time the game came out.  Going back further, I remember when MvC2 came out and it was like there was a new UNBEATABLE TOP CHARACTER almost weekly.  Freaking JUGGERNAUT was proclaimed OP and possibly broken at one point. 

Nobody knows what the hell the tiers are right now and it's gonna be longer than 2-3 months, too.  I'm looking forward to seeing who pulls a Gamerbee and whups some ass with a so-called low-tier character, too. 

As long as things don't turn out like SSF4 AE did, I'm good.  That was a low point in the series for me.  Stopped playing for a while.

[Mods Help]

People think "low tier" means "bad character" are reading the lines wrong.

But I agree it's too early to tell. Doesn't mean Gief is great or decent in the game (so far) though.

[mormapope]

My favorite characters to play as in SF4 were on the bottom of tier lists. T. Hawk, Blanka, Gen.

During the SFV betas a lot of people considered Ryu/Ken the worst characters in the game. Goes to show you if the most popular characters aren't immediately dominant, people will moan. 

[bork]

Fuck tiers in general.  It's good to have the info, but I hate it when people base their character choices on a list.

[mormapope]

Fuck tiers in general.  It's good to have the info, but I hate it when people base their character choices on a list.

Counter picking >>>>> tier whoring.

While characters that are considered high tier usually have great matchups with the majority of characters, playing against your opponent's character and their weaknesses/knowledge is a lot smarter than trying to find the best character ever for every scenario.

I started to try and use characters that actually were counter picks against each other over time. Blanka and T Hawk. M Bison and Guile. Match up chemistry is one of the biggest things that makes Street Fighter, Street Fighter.

[mormapope]

I really, really hope there isn't a Yun, Evil Ryu, Elena type of situation with SFV. Some decisions for characters in SFIV were fucking nuts and not in a good way.

Daigo is quoted as switching to playing as Evil Ryu because of Yun alone.

[Bebpo]

Been using Zangief since SF2 as my main.  My friend mains Ryu, so Ryu v Zangief has been running for a couple of decades now.  In SFV Zangief definitely seems tougher to use since it's harder to zone and get in without his green hand or his faster moving spinning lariet.  Otoh his V-trigger absorbtion helps and can really turn the match in his favor.  I'm still doing solid with him, but it's definitely tougher.  My friend was using Cammy tonight against my Zangief and that was a challenge since she's got great movement and mixups and Zangief is slow as shit lol.

[Mods Help]

I honestly don't care about tiers. But I do think it is wise to be aware of them. I play who I like tbh. I'm planning on having Laura as a side character. And yes, Ryu/Ken players are giant babies. Ryu has all the options he could possibly want. "They keep taking stuff from Ryu!" Though I agree Ryu is boring af in V. He's usually used in some capacity by me in some form but I've got no interest in him this time.

[Mods Help]

Fuck tiers in general.  It's good to have the info, but I hate it when people base their character choices on a list.

Counter picking >>>>> tier whoring.

While characters that are considered high tier usually have great matchups with the majority of characters, playing against your opponent's character and their weaknesses/knowledge is a lot smarter than trying to find the best character ever for every scenario.

I started to try and use characters that actually were counter picks against each other over time. Blanka and T Hawk. M Bison and Guile. Match up chemistry is one of the biggest things that makes Street Fighter, Street Fighter.

You can't counter pick in SFV ranked. Something that needs to be fixed.

Don't like this anime game "only play with your main online" crap

Instead of testing stuff online I'll probably start asking "hey someone teach me the basics of this character" at the local. Things will go much faster that way.

[thisismyusername]

Something that needs to be fixed.

No it doesn't.

Don't like this anime game "only play with your main online" crap

Then don't play ranked and do Battle Lobbies/Casual for counter-picking shenanigans.

[Mods Help]

Nope. Even lobbies are annoying. You can only ever change characters even with character select on if you go back to the lobby menu. If you have the option to do ft10 that's annoying as fuck.

Leave the anime game stuff to anime games plz

Versus is the best mode in the game.

[Mods Help]

Pretty sure Username doesn't want counter picking in ranked because he plays Nash.

Prove me wrong 

[nachobro]

Went 1-2 at the tournament tonight. Not bad and lots to reflect on.

Same at our weeklies. My streak continues lol.

However I did go 0-3 at the Gamestop finals. I was allowed to use my stick but the demo station we were playing on wouldn't read either of the two sticks I had so I had to use a DS4 against a pad player. It went pretty poorly, as the score shows.

[Mods Help]

you'll do better. was my first ever tournament. there's another tournament today but it's bigger venue and I didn't sign up fast enough.

[nachobro]

I find I usually do better at majors than at our weeklies. Easier to go against a pool of folks at all skill levels than 15 people that go hard af.

[Mods Help]

how is running sfv tourneys going for you? that ps3 controller support thing must be a complete bitch. on friday when someone wanted to use a ps3 stick it was a nightmare. had to plug in ds4 first and all kinds of shit. i can see why it's banned at evo.

[nachobro]

we allowed legacy stuff friday and it was a goddamn mess. never again. definitely not allowing it at our big event next month.

otherwise everything else was fine. streaming from the ps4 was a pain until i remembered i could just turn off hdcp though heh

[Mods Help]

Fuck tiers in general.  It's good to have the info, but I hate it when people base their character choices on a list.

Counter picking >>>>> tier whoring.

Thinking of it...

Gaining mastery of your characters weak mu's >>> counter picking >>>> tier whoring

Even if you lose, if you can hang in a bad MU I respect it. See Kusomondo (Honda) vs Mao (Claw) at EVO 2012 ST legends tourney. Kusomondo stuck with his guns with a mid-tier character (Honda) against an S  tier character (Claw). He lost but dude could hang. I think that's the highest of the high in SF, personally. Being that good with a character.

I respect niccas like Dieminion, PR Balrog, and Snake Eyez. Sticking to your guns, being a character specialist. I think that's something special. Of course they can play other characters, but when you're a character specialist? And you COULD play other characters but you want to stick to your number 1? I don't think there's anything better or more deserving of respect.

[mormapope]

I respect the risk taking of trying to juggle and learn a bunch of other characters over trying to master one character for the game's entire life span. Snake Eyez played as Evil Ryu in some match ups that were horrible for Zangief, or against players that could beat the best Zangief in the world without batting an eye. PR Balrog also fucked with Evil Ryu in some match ups.

And learning multiple characters makes you understand the worst matchups for that character even more. There is a difference between simply learning by playing as the opposite character casually for a bit, versus committing yourself to playing as that opposite character when the time comes.

For competitive players, it comes down to which strategy helps them win more often than not. When it comes to being someone in the audience, its really exciting to see pro players do a surprise counter pick or bring out a character they have been secretly working on.

[Mods Help]

You can still be competitive and not pro.

[mormapope]

Meant pro then.

[Beezy]

Karin and Nash seem fun as hell. Especially Karin. Bison is the only male character that interest me so far.

I hope SF5 doesn't end up with a shitload of shoto characters like SF4 eventually did.

[Mods Help]

Karin and Nash seem fun as hell. Especially Karin. Bison is the only male character that interest me so far.

I hope SF5 doesn't end up with a shitload of shoto characters like SF4 eventually did.

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[Beezy]

 

Well, just those 2.