Author Topic: True Detective season 2 (Read 21458 times)

chronovore · « **on:** April 09, 2015, 07:05:58 PM »

Looks great; I like Taylor Kitsch, and Vince Vaughn’s acting chops are underrated. My main worry is that Rachel McAdams acting chops are being overrated. She is usually the prettiest thing on the screen in anything featuring her, but here she doesn’t even have that going for her. We’ll see if she’s another thespian who has just been poorly served by her director and script.

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BobFromPikeCreek · « **Reply #1 on:** April 09, 2015, 07:18:10 PM »

Gonna be good.

CatsCatsCats · « **Reply #2 on:** April 09, 2015, 07:20:02 PM »

This trailer makes me feel like Vince Vaughns chops are rated accurately.

toku · « **Reply #3 on:** April 09, 2015, 07:58:11 PM »

Only watching for Taylor Kitsch.

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #4 on:** April 09, 2015, 08:01:52 PM »

They made Rachel Mcadams look like a real person

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #5 on:** April 09, 2015, 08:19:36 PM »

LOL @ rabid S1 fanboys on GAF dismissing the cinematography based on a 60 second teaser.

Looks good. Can't say too much since it's just a fucking teaser. Plot:

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A bizarre murder brings together three law-enforcement officers and a career criminal, each of whom must navigate a web of conspiracy and betrayal in the scorched landscapes of California. Colin Farrell is Ray Velcoro, a compromised detective in the all-industrial City of Vinci, LA County. Vince Vaughn plays Frank Semyon, a criminal and entrepreneur in danger of losing his life’s work, while his wife and closest ally (Kelly Reilly), struggles with his choices and her own. Rachel McAdams is Ani Bezzerides, a Ventura County Sheriff’s detective often at odds with the system she serves, while Taylor Kitsch plays Paul Woodrugh, a war veteran and motorcycle cop for the California Highway Patrol who discovers a crime scene which triggers an investigation involving three law enforcement groups, multiple criminal collusions, and billions of dollars.

jakefromstatefarm · « **Reply #6 on:** April 09, 2015, 08:31:22 PM »

Quote from: The Walrus on April 09, 2015, 07:21:22 PM

They'll never top the King in Yellow motif from Season 1.

the more I thought about it, the more it felt like half-baked existential Lovecraftian horror

not that that's not welcome; atmosphere was great

BobFromPikeCreek · « **Reply #7 on:** April 09, 2015, 08:34:14 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 09, 2015, 08:19:36 PM

LOL @ rabid S1 fanboys on GAF dismissing the cinematography based on a 60 second teaser.

Looks good. Can't say too much since it's just a fucking teaser. Plot:
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A bizarre murder brings together three law-enforcement officers and a career criminal, each of whom must navigate a web of conspiracy and betrayal in the scorched landscapes of California. Colin Farrell is Ray Velcoro, a compromised detective in the all-industrial City of Vinci, LA County. Vince Vaughn plays Frank Semyon, a criminal and entrepreneur in danger of losing his life’s work, while his wife and closest ally (Kelly Reilly), struggles with his choices and her own. Rachel McAdams is Ani Bezzerides, a Ventura County Sheriff’s detective often at odds with the system she serves, while Taylor Kitsch plays Paul Woodrugh, a war veteran and motorcycle cop for the California Highway Patrol who discovers a crime scene which triggers an investigation involving three law enforcement groups, multiple criminal collusions, and billions of dollars.

I do wonder how heavily the loss of Cary Fukunaga will be felt, but to judge a show on this short teaser is pretty ridiculous.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #8 on:** April 09, 2015, 08:45:22 PM »

king of the internet · « **Reply #9 on:** April 09, 2015, 11:51:56 PM »

I'm approaching this with an open mind.

Will it match or top the first season? Maybe not, that won't be easy. But I'm sure it'll be some good television either way. Shit doesn't need to always be compared to other shit.

Quaker · « **Reply #10 on:** April 10, 2015, 01:16:43 AM »

There's a rumor that they might have gotten William Friedkin to direct some of the episodes.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #11 on:** April 10, 2015, 10:26:31 AM »

Daddario

The double d's in the last name are so fitting.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #12 on:** April 10, 2015, 11:01:50 AM »

I just don't like either of the two leads at all.

Here's hoping it's good.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #13 on:** April 10, 2015, 02:14:13 PM »

Quote from: Brehvolution on April 10, 2015, 10:26:31 AM

Daddario

The double d's in the last name are so fitting.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/true-detective-star-the-president-has-seen-my-boobs/

benjipwns · « **Reply #14 on:** April 29, 2015, 01:53:12 AM »

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #15 on:** June 22, 2015, 01:23:31 AM »

I'll try to keep it relatively general as I'm too lazy to use spoilers.

I was mixed on it as a first episode. There was some aspects I liked. It seems to be more complicated or convoluted than the first season. I kinda like that. The characters are more dirty and unlikable which doesn't bother me but I wonder if that will be a turn off to more casual mainstream viewers.

The symbolism, the tone, and the characterization are even more on the nose than the first season which is saying something. I'm not sure I like that. That being said, I do want to see where its going which is an accomplishment. And I don't know where its going compared to the first season where it was always kinda obvious where things were going.

I though Vaughn and Colin Farrel were fine.

toku · « **Reply #16 on:** June 22, 2015, 01:31:15 AM »

It was okay. Way more jumpy than anything in s1. They should have titled it something else. Tried to remove it as far away in peoples minds from s1.

Biggest gripe so far, is pretty much right from the jump you realize that everyone is kind of a piece of shit. I know it's only episode 1 but already it feels like you have a good idea of the sorta person each of these characters are (they're all a whole lot of awful with Kitsch maybe just being fucked up).

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #17 on:** June 22, 2015, 01:34:42 AM »

I think this one will need to rely on the plot being interesting and twisting compared to the first season. The appeal of the first season was the chemistry between those two actors and the characters they portrayed. The plot honestly could have been about anything. It was just fun seeing Harrleson and Mcconaughey. It was like a perfect storm for those two of the ultimate odd couple and their conflicting views on the universe.

Hitting lightning like that twice in a row is probably not likely. So its going to rely on the actual plot and what is happening more. Which ultimately could be a good or bad thing depending on how the writing goes.

I do like that it obviously feels different. It doesn't feel like they are trying to ape Season 1 in just about anyway that matters which is a good thing artistically.

BobFromPikeCreek · « **Reply #18 on:** June 22, 2015, 02:18:26 AM »

Pretty straightforward first episode. Here's your characters, here's the beginnings of a mystery, see you next week. That said, I'm on the hook. I like that the entire cast is shitty and dysfunctional and everything feels overall much grimier this go of things. I'm optimistic.

Vince Vaughan is still forever-suck though.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #19 on:** June 22, 2015, 02:46:30 AM »

I dug it, but really- Colin Farrell's character is gonna have to tone it down to survive 7 more episodes.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #20 on:** June 22, 2015, 03:36:38 AM »

The pacing was pretty poor but overall I thought the episode managed to achieve its goal well enough: set the table and establish the characters. Second half of the episode was much better than the first, and the main characters met sooner than I expected; I figured they wouldn't cross paths until episode two.

The weird atmosphere and light dabble/hint of occult shit surprised me. The initial word was that the season would delve into that stuff, then I heard it was being dropped to further divorce itself from S1. That didn't seem like the case last night.

Vaughn is fine, Adams is good, dunno what to think about Colin. The character is all over he place.

Beezy · « **Reply #21 on:** June 22, 2015, 05:09:44 AM »

I'll have to re-watch it. I was already tired before I started and ended up falling asleep with like 15-20 mins left in the episode.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #22 on:** June 22, 2015, 10:40:47 AM »

Any epic titties yet?

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #23 on:** June 22, 2015, 10:54:04 AM »

Quote from: Brehvolution on June 22, 2015, 10:40:47 AM

Any epic titties yet?

No but the future titty potential is high. That Hispanic chick...

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #24 on:** June 22, 2015, 12:21:37 PM »

McAdams' ass tho

http://38.media.tumblr.com/20efdfe1e7f81fb694f4ac5c161f0d37/tumblr_nqbvemle5e1rypsblo4_250.gif

Huff · « **Reply #25 on:** June 28, 2015, 10:04:09 PM »

Wow that was a crazy ending to ep 2.

Still not emotionally invested in the characters as season 1. And who gives a shit about the story, but it's not like the first season had a great one either.

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Maybe we're not suppose to like the characters since they're all going to die

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toku · « **Reply #26 on:** June 28, 2015, 11:27:41 PM »

Quote from: Huff on June 28, 2015, 10:04:09 PM

Wow that was a crazy ending to ep 2.

Still not emotionally invested in the characters as season 1. And who gives a shit about the story, but it's not like the first season had a great one either.

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Wouldn't be surprised if to fuck with expectations Vince Vaughan is the only one who makes it out and in a better position. Ends up owning most of the real estate business stuff through violence. The whole ex-gangster goes legitimate gets outplayed by lawyers/moneymen is a bit tropey at this point so I wouldn't be surprised if Nic toyed with that a little.

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Huff · « **Reply #27 on:** June 28, 2015, 11:38:40 PM »

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apparently Farrell isn't dead. Shame. I liked it better with them killing of a main character so soon and out of no where

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Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #28 on:** June 28, 2015, 11:42:21 PM »

I'm all in brehs. First ep was good, but I needed to see another just to see how everything worked together (specifically the detectives). That was a pretty good episode, although it did rack up a couple more coincidences.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #29 on:** June 29, 2015, 07:38:27 PM »

Quote from: Huff on June 28, 2015, 11:38:40 PM

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apparently Farrell isn't dead. Shame. I liked it better with them killing of a main character so soon and out of no where
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That seems stupid then unless there is some really clever plotting behind it.

The episode was good though. The show works better when it moves and things are happening. When its little soliloquies like the rat story at the beginning of the episode is when it stumbles.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #30 on:** June 29, 2015, 08:11:05 PM »

The only way I could buy him not being dead is if the house was some sexual ruse. Casper liked watching...perhaps the point of the house was that it offered some type of rape fantasy shit. Casper goes there with his girl, they're "attacked" by someone who then "rapes" the escort while Casper jerks off; the entire thing is taped, and then the girl and the "attacker" are paid. Which would mean the gun was fake, likely a pellet gun or something.

Pretty much the only way for him not to be dead is for the shotgun to be fake. There's no way he'd survive an actual shotgun blast to the chest at point blank range, even with a vest on.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #31 on:** June 29, 2015, 08:24:56 PM »

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What would be cool/better is if the story had just been constructed in such a way as the past being just as important as the current events where it all ties in. Sort of like a mini-pulp fiction. That way you can kill him but he is still relevant to the story and future scenes. They haven't really demonstrated this to be the case at all though, and I doubt they would be good enough to handle such a complicated plot setup. So either he survives which seems stupid or its some kind of ruse.

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Huff · « **Reply #32 on:** June 29, 2015, 08:58:14 PM »

I don't think casper is actually dead. They did mention plastic surgery at the therapy place

bluemax · « **Reply #33 on:** June 29, 2015, 10:08:42 PM »

Quote from: Huff on June 29, 2015, 08:58:14 PM

I don't think casper is actually dead. They did mention plastic surgery at the therapy place

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Caspare is totally dead. Colin Farrell probably isn't but its hard to say.

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Human Snorenado · « **Reply #34 on:** June 29, 2015, 10:32:45 PM »

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Colin Farrell and his mustache aren't dead. Caspere totally is, and no one on the show has yet asked... why put his body somewhere where you KNOW it will be found?

This case has a lot of ins, a lotta outs, a lotta what have yous. Fortunately I'm adhering to a strict drug regimen to keep my mind limber.

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jakefromstatefarm · « **Reply #35 on:** June 29, 2015, 11:32:46 PM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 29, 2015, 08:24:56 PM

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What would be cool/better is if the story had just been constructed in such a way as the past being just as important as the current events where it all ties in. Sort of like a mini-pulp fiction. That way you can kill him but he is still relevant to the story and future scenes. They haven't really demonstrated this to be the case at all though, and I doubt they would be good enough to handle such a complicated plot setup. So either he survives which seems stupid or its some kind of ruse.
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this is what I was thinking. so far S2 is much more liberal with flashbacks than S1 was (provided you don't consider eps 1-6 to be flashbacks given the way they're framed), particularly w/ Velcoro. It's gotta be so hard to reveal plot points like that though.

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I love how this season seems denser than last, there was a piece on grantland that mentioned that this is more of a writer's show now and I think that's a good read. the pontificating dialogue is still ridiculous, the show has always fallen into that whenever the plot gets stagnant, the characters/actors aren't fun enough to make me enjoy watching them verbally duke it out anymore. but when the plots moving and the show actually shows you players moving on the chessboard -the ~10 minutes immediately following paper mache where all three detectives get the spiel from their respective camps was my favorite scene of the episode-

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Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #36 on:** June 29, 2015, 11:40:31 PM »

Obviously the one dude is a closeted gay dude, which I can buy. However if McAdams turns out to be into bondage because she has daddy problems...that's just too on the nose for me.

toku · « **Reply #37 on:** June 29, 2015, 11:54:14 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 29, 2015, 11:40:31 PM

Obviously the one dude is a closeted gay dude, which I can buy. However if McAdams turns out to be into bondage because she has daddy problems...that's just too on the nose for me.

Yeah, I'm an idiot and total missed that everything they've show about Paul is that he's gay. Viagra, him drinking and checking out the male prostitute and the "cigarillo at the bank" story.

I didn't read McAdams as into bondage either but I'm guessing something really rough. Anal? I need to rewatch that intro scene with her and her bf/man in the kitchen again. I was reading it like she asked him to do something in bed he was cool with but totally surprised she was down for.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #38 on:** June 30, 2015, 12:05:00 AM »

Maybe she pegged him.

But seriously though, I'm guessing it's bondage and/or fantasy rape stuff.

toku · « **Reply #39 on:** June 30, 2015, 12:11:56 AM »

"I'm sorry. Hey don't let that ruin it, it just took me by surprise is all"
"Forget it"
"Come on we don't have to stop right you know. I just wasn't really ready and I didn't think, idk do you like that?"
"sometimes"
"I just didn't think that most women, you, I was just used to you know...Have you done that a lot?"
"let's not talk this to death"

roughly what they talked about in her first scene with the dude...

hmmmm definitely some brutal shit
her sister does sex work
2 of the kids she grew up with killed themselves and 2 more in prison

bluemax · « **Reply #40 on:** June 30, 2015, 01:49:15 AM »

I thought she just wanted him to eat the booty.

BobFromPikeCreek · « **Reply #41 on:** June 30, 2015, 01:53:12 AM »

First episode had me thinking that Taylor Kitsch was impotent, but second episode really beats you over the head with his closeted homosexuality.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #42 on:** June 30, 2015, 07:45:07 AM »

I'm fine with the drama/narrative. However the way it's been set up is so generic and obvious.

studyguy · « **Reply #43 on:** July 01, 2015, 02:38:24 PM »

Just started this yesterday.
Enjoying Colin Farrell's moustache.

CatsCatsCats · « **Reply #44 on:** July 01, 2015, 04:12:18 PM »

Huh, I guess it could be that he's gay, I kinda just took it that whatever black op project he was involved with and possibly childhood abuse or something ruined him as a person and he's completely detached from himself and society.

bluemax · « **Reply #45 on:** July 01, 2015, 11:31:41 PM »

In the first episode I thought that maybe whatever he did in the military and the PMC left him partially impotent, but the secone episode lays the "HES GAY" stuff on pretty hard.

toku · « **Reply #46 on:** July 02, 2015, 03:49:38 AM »

yeah he's definitely gay

Nibel · « **Reply #47 on:** July 02, 2015, 04:46:17 AM »

Dunno, still think he's interesting as a character. Being gay and hiding it seems to be just one of his many problems. His military past, suicide tendencies, his relationship to his mom.. also I'm in the one-man camp that thinks Kitsch does a good job here.

toku · « **Reply #48 on:** July 02, 2015, 04:57:05 AM »

Quote from: Nibel on July 02, 2015, 04:46:17 AM

Dunno, still think he's interesting as a character. Being gay and hiding it seems to be just one of his many problems. His military past, suicide tendencies, his relationship to his mom.. also I'm in the one-man camp that thinks Kitsch does a good job here.

Nah I'm in the same camp. I think he's doing work. Everyone seems to be obsessed with Colin Farell here and he's seems hammy to me. He has done way more impressive work in the past. Hell his turn as a seductive predator in the Fright Night remake was way subtler and more impressive than what he's turning in here. Not to mention his work in obvious stuff like In Bruges or Seven Psychopaths.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #49 on:** July 03, 2015, 01:25:57 AM »

makes me crave another Beth Gibbons & Rustin Man album so bad

toku · « **Reply #50 on:** July 03, 2015, 01:46:14 AM »

chronovore · « **Reply #51 on:** July 03, 2015, 06:20:27 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 03, 2015, 01:25:57 AM

makes me crave another Beth Gibbons & Rustin Man album so bad

Also worthwhile:

lennedsay · « **Reply #52 on:** July 06, 2015, 01:39:12 AM »

Five min in the first episode. Figured out the whole season. The rapist was Conan O'Brien.

Bebpo · « **Reply #53 on:** July 06, 2015, 02:02:44 AM »

Well, that was the weakest episode yet. Still real good, but the whole bad guy waits until just when the detectives show to get rid of evidence two eps in a row is cheesy writing.

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Ferrel should have died. Would've made the show throw off all expectations and raise the stakes considerably so that anyone is game. It's fine that he lived as he's the best actor on the show, but man, if the OP had been his send off it would have been amazing.

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Stoney Mason · « **Reply #54 on:** July 06, 2015, 02:31:41 AM »

Didn't like the episode. Vince Vaugh as tough guy gangster. meh.

Diving into their personal lives. meh.

Slow pacing and nothing happens. meh.

toku · « **Reply #55 on:** July 06, 2015, 04:25:29 AM »

nic pizzolatto petty as fuck
that directer

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #56 on:** July 06, 2015, 09:27:28 AM »

Didn't like that episode either. Right after I sort of got over Vocorro being alive the episode decided to stretch my believability even further with the ridiculous mayor's house scene, followed by that cringe worthy fight scene, followed by the guy in the mask blowing up the car and waiting for the detectives to see him before jumping the fence. Nope.

I just can't buy Vaughn. He's easily the weakest link, and I can't help but wonder what type of actors he beat out to get the role. He's not imposing or believable to me, as a former street criminal turned semi clean businessman.

studyguy · « **Reply #57 on:** July 06, 2015, 11:20:15 AM »

Second episode... lost me, I don't know.

king of the internet · « **Reply #58 on:** July 06, 2015, 11:42:17 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 06, 2015, 09:27:28 AM

Didn't like that episode either. Right after I sort of got over Vocorro being alive the episode decided to stretch my believability even further with the ridiculous mayor's house scene, followed by that cringe worthy fight scene, followed by the guy in the mask blowing up the car and waiting for the detectives to see him before jumping the fence. Nope.

I just can't buy Vaughn. He's easily the weakest link, and I can't help but wonder what type of actors he beat out to get the role. He's not imposing or believable to me, as a former street criminal turned semi clean businessman.

I was hoping Vaughn would surprise us, but nope. I don't buy anything he says or does.

BobFromPikeCreek · « **Reply #59 on:** July 06, 2015, 02:55:42 PM »

I really liked the surreal dream sequence. Pretty Lynchian. Outside of that this episode was lame. The pacing is glacial, and that'd be fine if they were actually doing anything with the characters. They focused a lot on Vince Vaughn last night, and I kinda just tune out whenever he's on screen.

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Author Topic: True Detective season 2 (Read 21458 times)