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« Reply #1980 on: September 13, 2015, 11:12:25 AM »
lol @ mac getting all caremad in that thread






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« Reply #1981 on: September 13, 2015, 11:19:19 AM »
just another victim of parenthood  :-\

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« Reply #1982 on: September 13, 2015, 11:24:31 AM »
That pitbull thread is getting worse and worse.

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=178594970

He quadruples down on the stupid analogy.

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=178598657

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http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=178600511

I hate to say it but when I read this stuff I kinda see where the Nanny State phobia is coming from.
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« Reply #1983 on: September 13, 2015, 11:49:09 AM »
Worked in an animal shelter, how socialized or not a dog is, is (usually) completely the owner's fault. Most people think any big dog with an attitude is a pit, even though pits are actually midrange and some of the sweetest dogs a person can get. Basically the pitbull situation is a man made problem and misunderstanding.

That flyinj guy started the shitposting about pits right away I see

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« Reply #1984 on: September 13, 2015, 12:08:20 PM »
Seeing all those posts are making me miss my first family dog. A purebred Black Lab that weighed 180 pounds. He wasn't obese either, his fucking bones and frame were gigantic, even as a puppy his paws were huge. Sweetest dog on the planet.

Would probably make Gaffers shit themselves. 
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« Reply #1985 on: September 13, 2015, 12:23:57 PM »
Can u play tricks on pitbulls. (And not sending them to perform at a Wal-Mart in Alaska.) I love trying to sneak up on dogs from breeds with exceptional hearing, for example.

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« Reply #1986 on: September 13, 2015, 12:24:27 PM »
I assumed most dog breeds are intelligent enough to be domesticated, maybe partly due to selective breeding for ones that are naturally less aggressive. I don't get why anyone would want a large, muscley dog though if it's not for security.

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« Reply #1987 on: September 13, 2015, 12:39:55 PM »
Only been bit by nervous small dogs so I keep the hell away. Wouldnt bother me none if all dog owners had to take mandatory classes that included proper socialization. If we somehow banned or eradicated pitts, assholes who desire aggressive/intimidating dogs would move back to rotts or dobermans as their breed of choice.

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« Reply #1988 on: September 13, 2015, 12:41:31 PM »
If we're gonna destroy all pitbulls can we also destroy all k-on/child loving animu fans? I'd say they're both equally dangerous to children

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« Reply #1989 on: September 13, 2015, 12:52:56 PM »
You essentially have a story of a woman who trained her dogs to attack people and yet it is the fault of the pitts for generally being good at it. I can't even.

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« Reply #1990 on: September 13, 2015, 12:54:32 PM »
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1111328

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« Reply #1991 on: September 13, 2015, 12:59:33 PM »
Holy shi- !

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=600636&page=1

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« Reply #1992 on: September 13, 2015, 01:04:10 PM »
I thought HUELEN quit gaf

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« Reply #1993 on: September 13, 2015, 01:10:31 PM »
You essentially have a story of a woman who trained her dogs to attack people and yet it is the fault of the pitts for generally being good at it. I can't even.


ehh there's another article with an update later on where the guy who was attacked disputes that, and says they just flipped. he says he owns a pit and hopes the ones who attacked him won't be put down.

the problem is in breeding. there are too many awful breeders these days who breed for bad qualities like aggression and strength. instead of banning pit bulls how about we work on fixing the problem by breeding less aggressive dogs in general. this isn't a pit-specific issue either. you get breeders trying to create toy versions of dogs that should not be that small genetically, or breeders like toadline creating disgusting and deformed versions of bulldogs who can barely breathe.

license the shit out of creating animals and enforce them strictly.

there is no reason in modern times to need a guard dog unless you own a junk yard, and even still you should spring for an actual alarm system.
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« Reply #1994 on: September 13, 2015, 01:34:05 PM »
If they did just snap shes an idiot for taking out two dogs at a time when she's probably gonna have trouble just restraining the one. Point still stands idiot owners are the problem.

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« Reply #1995 on: September 13, 2015, 01:44:15 PM »
I assumed most dog breeds are intelligent enough to be domesticated, maybe partly due to selective breeding for ones that are naturally less aggressive. I don't get why anyone would want a large, muscley dog though if it's not for security.

That's my problem. You take a slightly aggressive dog and then a bunch of shitheads think its cool to own said dog. I can always tell when some knucklehead you know wants to get a pitbull because he thinks its cool. 

Yes I get its not the dog's fault but its a problem when idiots want to get potentially aggressive big dogs and not handle them correctly and safely. It makes me very angry and sad for the people who end up victims in these situations.
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« Reply #1996 on: September 13, 2015, 02:01:44 PM »
I'm nitpicking but I think it's not useless for perspective: pitbull-types are actually more of a medium dog.
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« Reply #1997 on: September 13, 2015, 02:05:13 PM »
Pitbulls and other fighting breeds shouldn't be bred, end of story.  Anyone who says different is dumb and shouldn't own a dog.
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« Reply #1998 on: September 13, 2015, 02:10:37 PM »
Destroy all dogs.

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« Reply #1999 on: September 13, 2015, 02:12:21 PM »
Would you ban Bull Terriers ?
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« Reply #2000 on: September 13, 2015, 02:18:46 PM »
Pitbulls and other fighting breeds shouldn't be bred, end of story.  Anyone who says different is dumb and shouldn't own a dog.

So then the culture will shift to breeding aggressive shepherds.

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« Reply #2001 on: September 13, 2015, 02:21:36 PM »
So you agree that pitbulls are shit dogs that have been bred to be aggressive.  We're getting somewhere!
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« Reply #2002 on: September 13, 2015, 02:25:26 PM »
People have no problem accepting the incredible genetic plasticity in dogs when it comes to everything else except when pitbulls are mentioned it's always "it's the owner not the dog!"
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« Reply #2003 on: September 13, 2015, 02:26:05 PM »
So you agree that pitbulls are shit dogs that have been bred to be aggressive.  We're getting somewhere!

In some places, not originally though. By your logic though we are only really safe from fatality with small dogs so we should just only let those be bred.

You're not really tackling the culture though that leads to this problem, just establishing a new breed that will start taking the blame for shitty people.

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« Reply #2004 on: September 13, 2015, 02:41:31 PM »
Weren't bulldogs fighting dogs originally? (Or more likely,  bull baiters.) They're just dumb, useless things now from my understanding. Can't even give birth without a cesarean.

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« Reply #2005 on: September 13, 2015, 03:06:03 PM »
Holy shi- !

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=600636&page=1

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« Reply #2006 on: September 13, 2015, 03:32:03 PM »
Pitbulls and other fighting breeds shouldn't be bred, end of story.  Anyone who says different is dumb and shouldn't own a dog.

So then the culture will shift to breeding aggressive shepherds.

That would be a subculture, though, as shepherds are still bred to work and would be pretty useless if they were aggressive.

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« Reply #2007 on: September 13, 2015, 04:53:25 PM »
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« Reply #2008 on: September 13, 2015, 06:15:52 PM »
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« Reply #2009 on: September 13, 2015, 06:38:27 PM »
Only been bit by nervous small dogs so I keep the hell away. Wouldnt bother me none if all dog owners had to take mandatory classes that included proper socialization. If we somehow banned or eradicated pitts, assholes who desire aggressive/intimidating dogs would move back to rotts or dobermans as their breed of choice.

You shouldn't make your narrative the default one. Just because you've been bit by small dogs, doesn't mean people haven't been maimed by pit bulls for innocuous reasons. Further along that line of reasoning, your post is an encapsulation of everything wrong about "dog people". Dogs are animals, but dog people treat their dogs like they're humans or have morals or ethics or something. Guess what? They're animals, and have the instinct of animals. Even the best trained dog is going to feel threatened when backed into a corner during play time because dogs are animals and have completely different impulses and emotions than we do. You say pits are fine, but just about every story about pit bulls is,"Well, she was a sweet heart before. She wouldn't hurt a fly. We're very surprised" in a tragedy that should never happened because some people thought cutesy wootsy Pancake the Pit Bull has gone beyond her bred conditioning when she was conditioned - by humans - to respond in that manner.

In short: don't get a Pit Bull.

Personally, unless you don't have children and you're not single, unless you fit the very, very narrow definitions of someone who lives in a large family with lots of kids and lives on a farm, I wouldn't even recommend owning a dog. But that's just me and we all have our preferences.

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« Reply #2010 on: September 13, 2015, 07:15:00 PM »
Come on dawg (LOL), nobody here have said that crap about treating dogs like humans  :foxx we've been ranting on the importance of ownership and a big part of that is recognizing your dog is a dog and that means you should always supervise them and ensure their safety and the safety of the people around you. That also means, as you suggest, choosing your dog with care because medium and bigger dogs have needs and require a certain commitment. I don't think anyone dispute that, or dispute the fact that pitbulls and similar dogs currently are fashionable among people who makes bad owners and get them for the wrong reasons.

The ones most confused in the GAF thread about the nature of dogs are those bringing up comparisons to wild animals. Pit bulls and equivalent breeds are just dogs at the end of the day and that means they are fairly predictable and respond very well to decent training. The breed is not by essence abnormaly aggressive or dangerous. Poor ownership is the issue and we all agree it is way too common. I'll grant you, once more, that way too many people do not understand what owning a dog means in terms of time investment.
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« Reply #2011 on: September 13, 2015, 07:16:35 PM »
Most people believe they can handle their dogs but that's because they're talking about 99.9% of the time when the dog isn't provoked and is friendly.  Its the 0.1% that matters.  It's when people talk about their Pit being sweet...until its not.  It seems to me that if you own an aggressive dog like a Pit Bull, you have to be ready for the one off chance (it only takes one time) when it goes ape shit and tries to attack you.  I certainly wouldn't trust a Pit Bull with any kids no matter how nice it seems.

I have a Dachshund and he's a great dog but they are territorial and will bite when provoked.  In the event that he goes nuts (he's 7 and never has been), I have no problem getting him to stop.  I would not trust my dog, as nice as he is, with any small children unless I'm right there watching him.
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« Reply #2012 on: September 13, 2015, 07:17:35 PM »
Odd preferences

So all the dogs in animal shelters should be part of a shuttle program where farm owners, like it or not, have to adopt the dogs. Or, better yet, we let a domesticated animal in the wild en masse so it can either die at a young age or crowd cities/neighborhoods. The last option being we just kill all domesticated dogs, since your criteria isn't realistic whatsoever in the 21st century. 

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« Reply #2013 on: September 13, 2015, 07:25:50 PM »
The problem is multiple. People getting dogs for the wrong reason. People not controlling their dogs. The problem is I don't really care if somebody has a snippy puddle or small dog. Because I can boot it into next week or boot it away from a child quite easily. It's why I hate the kind of statistics that get posted on reddit all the time "proving" other small breeds are more aggressive. No one disputes that. It's the size/bite intensity of dogs of a certain size that are a problem.

Yeah, I get it once again, its the owner but the problem is I care less if a shitty owner has a small dog. Because its no real danger to me. There are so many knuckleheads with actual scary dogs of a certain size that are the problem for me.

I see these people all the time and they would swear to you that their dog is a sweet angel and then something sets the animal off and they can't control it.
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« Reply #2014 on: September 13, 2015, 07:38:21 PM »
Are still talking about pitbulls or all bigger dogs as a whole?

Honestly brehs you probably have a much higher chance of getting shot or getting in a car accident than getting a serious dog wound or being killed by a dog. If you're a child, chances are higher. So if you have a kid or dog, watch that shit.

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« Reply #2018 on: September 13, 2015, 09:36:48 PM »
Worked in an animal shelter, how socialized or not a dog is, is (usually) completely the owner's fault. Most people think any big dog with an attitude is a pit, even though pits are actually midrange and some of the sweetest dogs a person can get. Basically the pitbull situation is a man made problem and misunderstanding.

That flyinj guy started the shitposting about pits right away I see

Oh Devo, I guess facts don't mean much when you got anecdotes.

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« Reply #2019 on: September 13, 2015, 09:38:44 PM »
So you agree that pitbulls are shit dogs that have been bred to be aggressive.  We're getting somewhere!

In some places, not originally though. By your logic though we are only really safe from fatality with small dogs so we should just only let those be bred.

You're not really tackling the culture though that leads to this problem, just establishing a new breed that will start taking the blame for shitty people.

Pitbulls and other fighting breeds shouldn't be bred, end of story.  Anyone who says different is dumb and shouldn't own a dog.

So then the culture will shift to breeding aggressive shepherds.

Lol and people were calling the comparison to NRA members ridiculous.

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« Reply #2020 on: September 13, 2015, 11:49:48 PM »
Responsible pit owners.

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« Reply #2021 on: September 14, 2015, 12:07:56 AM »
It's ridiculous because guns are tools with a single purpose (destroying things, whether they be inanimate targets or teens of color) while dogs are living beings with complex socialization patterns but this conversation has already reached the unironic advocacy for wiping out an entire breed so I don't know why I'm bothering.

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« Reply #2022 on: September 14, 2015, 12:43:49 AM »
All dogs have a tendency to bite.

Nuke them all. :doge

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« Reply #2023 on: September 14, 2015, 01:19:57 AM »
I bred my cat to sit in the corner and give humans filthy looks. Checkmate killer dog breeders.

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« Reply #2024 on: September 14, 2015, 01:31:05 AM »
If I could train my cats to maul people I would.

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« Reply #2025 on: September 14, 2015, 01:52:25 AM »
It's ridiculous because guns are tools with a single purpose (destroying things, whether they be inanimate targets or teens of color) while dogs are living beings with complex socialization patterns but this conversation has already reached the unironic advocacy for wiping out an entire breed so I don't know why I'm bothering.

The entire breed shouldn't be wiped out. That's not nice at all. But does a family with children really need a pit?

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« Reply #2026 on: September 14, 2015, 02:37:09 AM »
No one does.
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« Reply #2028 on: September 14, 2015, 04:38:49 AM »
Oh Devo, I guess facts don't mean much when you got anecdotes.

Well if we want to speak "facts", human fatalities caused by dogs in the US in 2014 were 32 for an estimated 77m dog population and that's apparently a fairly normal number in line with previous years. That's barely above the number killed by lightning. Fatal dog bites represent 0.00001% of dog bites (according to the CDC study). That doesn't mean that we should shrug this problem under the rug, but just that in proper context it's a very minor problem in the grand scheme of things despite the common poor ownership and so called dangerous breeds.

Yeah you can argue that what's important is the number of bites requiring medical attention or something. I'm not saying it's an open and shut case. As I said, enforcing leash laws that already exist almost everywhere should be a good thing. I won't object to regulating access to certain breeds although I don't think it is efficient. Pit bulls should be recognized as a breed in the US so that breeding regulations are applied. That could curb the number of unbalanced and poorly socialized dogs.

Comparing it to gun apologists is ridiculous because it grossly overstates the dangerouness of dogs. Dogs are not weapons in fact dogs are incredibly safe judging by the number of fatalities.

The entire breed shouldn't be wiped out. That's not nice at all. But does a family with children really need a pit?

Who really needs anything, at that point ? Who needs skiing or doing anything with an horse, or going for a swim ?

The thing is most people own mutts as well, so right off the bat it's never that easy. A lot of families may own dogs that are half from a so called dangerous breed without knowning it. Also consider that families may choose a dog for guarding (which may be misguided or inefficient but heh).
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« Reply #2029 on: September 14, 2015, 05:49:34 AM »
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« Reply #2030 on: September 14, 2015, 07:18:47 AM »
who's the white girl on the right? she looks like she has massive tits

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« Reply #2032 on: September 14, 2015, 08:08:32 AM »
As a final note (way too serious a discussion to have on the Bore, not sure anything worthwhile is to be added), I'll concede that my own superficial research also pointed out that :

Fatalities related to dog bites seems more prevalent in the USA than France and Britain (even factoring in the population).

There may be a general rise in bites needing medical attention over the last years.

I think you shouldn't confuse prey drive, dog agression or even dog fighting (which at most selected for dog or other animals agression and maybe not even that, but maybe just optimal fitness for fighting) with agression towards humans. Poor breeding, and especially poor breeding by morons & criminals who believes they'll get guard dogs (pitbulls are actually not good at that) attack dogs or dog fighters do probably generates unbalanced dogs, especially if they're abused.
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« Reply #2033 on: September 14, 2015, 08:17:40 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1111307

Dear journal...

Also why the fuck would you post the goddamn umbilical cord?

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« Reply #2034 on: September 14, 2015, 08:48:37 AM »
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« Reply #2035 on: September 14, 2015, 08:52:16 AM »
All dogs have a tendency to bite.

Nuke them all. :doge

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« Reply #2036 on: September 14, 2015, 09:02:22 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1111307

Dear journal...

Also why the fuck would you post the goddamn umbilical cord?

Oh my god he posted a vid of himself eating the placenta.

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« Reply #2037 on: September 14, 2015, 09:13:56 AM »
I still can't believe that autist has a kid. Dude wrote 100+ pages of fan fiction patch notes for a fighting game.

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« Reply #2038 on: September 14, 2015, 09:23:58 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1111307

Dear journal...

Also why the fuck would you post the goddamn umbilical cord?

I thought Karsticles was just a obnoxious fighting game/videogame snob, turns out he's a mega dumbass snob in all facets of life.

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« Reply #2039 on: September 14, 2015, 09:26:14 AM »
I still can't believe that autist has a kid. Dude wrote 100+ pages of fan fiction patch notes for a fighting game.

He'll type out multiple paragraphs of analysis and assertions for fighting games he has never played or has barely played. Dude is a shit huffer. 
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