The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Eh, I don't care about framerates because I can just play it on PC.

[ToxicAdam]

When a game looks like shit and controls like shit because the frame rate is shit

You just described every PS1 game. Which many still consider the best console ever.

[mormapope]

When a game looks like shit and controls like shit because the frame rate is shit

You just described every PS1 game. Which many still consider the best console ever.

A lot of those people love the PS1 due to its JRPG selection though. That genre doesn't really depend on performance like any other genre really.

But you're right, the PS1's library in general looks like and plays like shit now.

[Mr. Nobody]

When a game looks like shit and controls like shit because the frame rate is shit

You just described every PS1 game. Which many still consider the best console ever.

I wonder what could possibly be the difference between the games of that era and games of today

[Mr Gilhaney]

I never enjoyed the newer Bethesda games. Their worlds are huge but boring. The performance is all over the place, even on PC. The bugs are often game breaking. The gameplay itself is rarely very fun, especially the elder scrolls game were horrible with the actual combat. Having about 8 voice actors total. Graphics are ugly as fuck, and even mods only slightly improves it. The animations/AI is all over the place, everything and everyone moves like robots.

With Fallout 4 it looks like they killed one of the few things I kind of enjoyed, with that new terrible dialogue wheel, with outcome that never seems to match up with what you expect from the dialogue wheel.

Add to that, the games are long as fuck to complete. Meh. Will rather have my 8 hours linear game. 


That said, I don't understand people pre ordering a Bethesda game and then being surprised or angry about technical problems. Are you fucking distinguished mentally-challenged m8? If you pre order fully well knowing that or just don't care, that's cool and good, but ffs, when will gaming side learn not to pre order games in general, and especially not games with developers that are known for releasing broken ass games?

[Take My Breh Away]

I play NV just to blow shit up these days

EVE FX + Project Nevada

[tiesto]

When a game looks like shit and controls like shit because the frame rate is shit

You just described every PS1 game. Which many still consider the best console ever.

A lot of those people love the PS1 due to its JRPG selection though. That genre doesn't really depend on performance like any other genre really.

But you're right, the PS1's library in general looks like and plays like shit now.

The 3D fighters all had pretty high framerates on the PS1, Tobal 2 for instance still looks gorgeous imo. There are still quite a few non RPGs on the PS1 that hold up rather well (shmups, 3D fighters, quirky niche titles, anything 2D except the ram-intensive fighters, the RR and Wipeout series), but the grainy open-world 3D games that the system originally sold itself on generally don't. But I'd be lying if I said the PS1 was one of my favorites for any reason other than the RPGs though.

[meeb]

Bethesda's games run like ass, more news at 11.
Reviews don't matter. This review matters.
It's not that bad. It's really bad.
etc etc 

apparently fallout fans are losing their shit became this new game has crappy lore/story and is more focused on the gameplay/sandbox part? that sounds really great to me.. fallout new vegas looked like literal dog shit, the world design sucked and the mechanics were lacking. didn't give two craps about the story. i just wanted a post apoc dungeon crawler with cool mechanics. sounds like fo4 is the game for me 


and also lots of sony ponies getting mad because the game has garbage performance on ps4

I liked NV.

[Dennis]

Fallout 4

[nachobro]

buying bethesda games 

[meeb]

Fallout 4

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Please post this on GAF.

[meeb]

buying bethesda games 

I'm going to buy Fallout 4 from TPB like 90% of PC GAF.

[king of the internet]

Fallout 4

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The best part if this image is that much like in reality, there is no Wii U version 

[mormapope]

I liked NV.

New Vegas shits all over Bethesda's games that gen.

New Vegas has a story that wasn't some D Grade hollywood trite shit, the main factions in play actually influence a lot in your game depending on what you do, it has weapon customization and a lot more guns/weapons in general compared to Fallout/Elder Scrolls, the writing and dialog isn't hokey dokey shit, the story and world itself allows you to roleplay without feeling like you're fucking the narrative in the ass with a switchblade.

Preferring Fallout 3 or Skyjobber to New Vegas means you value less depth, less gameplay depth, worse writing, and put more value in how you can look at random shit for 300 hours. Not liking New Vegas but enjoying those other games is fine, but its sorta hard to understand when New Vegas is the tightest package. 

[I'm a Puppy!]

I just started to play NV. I was really not a fan of Fallout 3. Everything looked "samey" and the experience itself was tedious. Never even got halfway.
So far I'm preferring NV. I do like the freedom they give you. I went to the correctional facility and killed every motherfucker there (ask me for 100 caps to join. Do you know who I am?)
Of course after I killed all the powder gangers and their leader did I realize, "I was probably supposed to not do that."

[Mr Gilhaney]

buying bethesda games 

I'm going to buy Fallout 4 from TPB like 90% of PC GAF.

'

Those last 10% are real gamers like me.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Who gets it from a private tracker. That full speed download from torrentleech. 

[close]

[FStop7]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1137656

This thread sponsored by the ESA.

[Kara]

Today in things you should not be asking of neogaf

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1137554

The last time something like this happened, they used the name Kara suggested...

Going for kid #2 now (replied itt).

[Yulwei]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1137656

This thread sponsored by the ESA.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=184819448&postcount=63

That's a tough one. The general consensus is that if you pirate a game chances are you were never going to buy it anyway. However, you can rectify that by buying the game if you enjoy playing the pirate copy.

Buying used games is also, well, not great. None of the cash you pay for that copy goes to the game developer or publisher. It all stays with the retailer. This encourages them to sell more used games because they are generally more profitable (you can only sell a new game once, but you can keep reselling a used copy over and over again). The knock on effect of this is more shelf space is given to used over new stock, which again hurts the game developer. (It's terrible how much used stock dominates GAME store shelves now).

I guess the used sale just about wins out because you are supporting the store staff and helping keep them open. It's not great for the games industry as a whole though in my opinion.

With used games you're literally robbing devs. Might as well seed torrents if you're buying used games.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=184819538&postcount=66

[Rufus]

I remember some guy making a thread about feeling guilty for buying used ages ago. "Fucking what" was my reaction then and it still is now. Whoever sold the game on likely put the money into the next game. And it's not like there's infinite amounts of used copies floating around. Not unless the game in question iscomplete shit or the first print run was too optimistic.

[meeb]

I can't wait until you can 3D print a console. Pirated consoles!

[Joe Molotov]

If it's the PS3, you'll have to wait for 4D printing.

[FStop7]

Anyone who says used games are equal to or worse than piracy had better either rent or live in a brand new house, have always bought brand new cars, never installed Adblock, never used a DVR to skip commercials, and never used Craigslist or eBay for anything.

[Shadow Mod]

Despite the combat being shit I still like Morrowind best.

[king of the internet]

Aside from Archery the combat in Skyrim is still painfully bad. Tried to replay it last summer and could barely make it through the intro before getting sick of mindlessly mashing away at dudes.  Morrowind 4 life. At least the other stuff is good.

[meeb]

Despite the combat being shit I still like Morrowind best.

I used console commands to buff my stats up, because lol no way was I going to stand there trying to hit a crab for 10 minutes.

[VomKriege]

The burning of the Alexandria library ? Disgruntled author rightfully angry to have been robbed of revenue.

Pretty insane how fast some gamers have been conditioned to believe this nonsense.

[Mr Gilhaney]

That stufte guy is hilarious in the used games thread. I want to find out who he works for and buy all his games used.

[Kara]

The existence of a secondary market increases demand in the primary market. This shit isn't even econ 101 stuff, what do you think 99% of a stock market is?

[stufte]

That stufte guy is hilarious in the used games thread. I want to find out who he works for and buy all his games used.

I currently work for a mobile dev. But you can buy the Ghost Recon games I made used all you want. Buying games used is cool by me.

[FStop7]

That stufte guy is hilarious in the used games thread. I want to find out who he works for and buy all his games used.

I currently work for a mobile dev. But you can buy the Ghost Recon games I made used all you want. Buying games used is cool by me.

Did you make GRAW 2?  Because if you made GRAW 2 I want to have your babies.

[stufte]

That stufte guy is hilarious in the used games thread. I want to find out who he works for and buy all his games used.

I currently work for a mobile dev. But you can buy the Ghost Recon games I made used all you want. Buying games used is cool by me.

Did you make GRAW 2?  Because if you made GRAW 2 I want to have your babies.

Yes, but I had a vasectomy already. Sorry

[meeb]

That stufte guy is hilarious in the used games thread. I want to find out who he works for and buy all his games used.

I currently work for a mobile dev. But you can buy the Ghost Recon games I made used all you want. Buying games used is cool by me.

Did you make GRAW 2?  Because if you made GRAW 2 I want to have your babies.

Yes, but I had a vasectomy already. Sorry

Life finds a way.

[FStop7]

That stufte guy is hilarious in the used games thread. I want to find out who he works for and buy all his games used.

I currently work for a mobile dev. But you can buy the Ghost Recon games I made used all you want. Buying games used is cool by me.

Did you make GRAW 2?  Because if you made GRAW 2 I want to have your babies.

Yes, but I had a vasectomy already. Sorry

Man, now I want to replay GRAW 2.  The nuke being detonated in the market, the Blackhawk Down-esque "hold out" mission against waves of enemy soldiers, the "destroy the crashed helicopter so the enemy can't salvage it" mission, and the "assault the hacienda to rescue to the captured pilot" mission...  that whole sequence was so good.

[Yulwei]

GRAW 1 along with Gears of war 1 were like the first "woah next gen" moments i had back in high school. good times.

[king of the internet]

That stufte guy is hilarious in the used games thread. I want to find out who he works for and buy all his games used.

I currently work for a mobile dev. But you can buy the Ghost Recon games I made used all you want. Buying games used is cool by me.

Did you make GRAW 2?  Because if you made GRAW 2 I want to have your babies.

Yes, but I had a vasectomy already. Sorry

Man, now I want to replay GRAW 2.  The nuke being detonated in the market, the Blackhawk Down-esque "hold out" mission against waves of enemy soldiers, the "destroy the crashed helicopter so the enemy can't salvage it" mission, and the "assault the hacienda to rescue to the captured pilot" mission...  that whole sequence was so good.

I was all about the online t-hunts or whatever they were called in GRAW. Tense as shit. 

[thisismyusername]

I liked NV.

New Vegas shits all over Bethesda's games that gen.

New Vegas has a story that wasn't some D Grade hollywood trite shit, the main factions in play actually influence a lot in your game depending on what you do, it has weapon customization and a lot more guns/weapons in general compared to Fallout/Elder Scrolls, the writing and dialog isn't hokey dokey shit, the story and world itself allows you to roleplay without feeling like you're fucking the narrative in the ass with a switchblade.

Preferring Fallout 3 or Skyjobber to New Vegas means you value less depth, less gameplay depth, worse writing, and put more value in how you can look at random shit for 300 hours. Not liking New Vegas but enjoying those other games is fine, but its sorta hard to understand when New Vegas is the tightest package.

That's because New Vegas was made by the original Fallout (well most of them) team that are at Obsidian and not made by Todd "BLOWING SHIT UP IS FUN(NY)!" Howard/Beth. Not hard to blow Beth's Fallout's out of the water so long as you remember the series was based on a P&P RPG system (GURPS, then modified) and actually play to that strength pretty hard.

[Trent Dole]

Waiting 6 months to a year to buy games, and getting it for 1/5 of the original price. 

This is the story of most of my 360 shit.  Being a steam feg now even the $20 I'd often pay for stuffs a few months later on console seems high in retrospect.

[thisismyusername]

Waiting 6 months to a year to buy games, and getting it for 1/5 of the original price. 

This is the story of most of my 360 shit.  Being a steam feg now even the $20 I'd often pay for stuffs a few months later on console seems high in retrospect.

LOL. I'm in the same boat.  :'( Though I've been waiting for Assassin's Creed's last year releases to go below $20-30. But Ubisoft is pretty stengy like Activision on PC.

[nudemacusers]

speaking of I don't know why there isn't some kind of simple lock-on system for the elder scrolls games yet. I mean even de'mon's's souls' tier would be acceptable. just... something.

That stufte guy is hilarious in the used games thread. I want to find out who he works for and buy all his games used.

I currently work for a mobile dev. But you can buy the Ghost Recon games I made used all you want. Buying games used is cool by me.

what mobile games are you working on?

[nudemacusers]

wait you got snipped? sorry I can't support a quitter. 

[stufte]

wait you got snipped? sorry I can't support a quitter. 

My games are generally better without my sperm. generally.

[nudemacusers]

maybe you should leave that up to the consumer

[Rufus]

Aside from Archery the combat in Skyrim is still painfully bad. Tried to replay it last summer and could barely make it through the intro before getting sick of mindlessly mashing away at dudes.  Morrowind 4 life. At least the other stuff is good.

Skyrim's melee isn't so bad. It's the game's most balanced mode of combat. Clear weaknesses (crowds, ranged), but still strong if used correctly.

Sneaking archers on the other hand break the game in half, just as they did in Oblivion (though that game had more creative ways to trivialize the combat). Actually, sneak is so good (and easy to train) it's enough to break the game by itself.

Magic was so boring I struggle to remember what it was like.

[zomgee]

I had some stupid fucking lightning staff in Oblivion that was so overpowered. Christ the arena started and I was flailing at everything and just wrecking shit. They'd throw me into the arena and I'd spam right trigger and two seconds I was done. Kick me back out and I'd feed that staff again. NEXT. Could you imagine being a spectator to that shit?

Now you must kill THREE Argonians! Bzzt Bzzt Nzzt dead.

Oh.

Skyrim I OPed on stealth and was to the point I could stand in front of people with a notched arrow if it was dusk. One of the last quests is to kill an all powerful Dragon Priest and I killed him from like two staircases away while he's staring at a cloud with 10 arrows stuck in his head.

I still love these games but probably not for the right reasons.

[nudemacusers]

magic def needs an overhaul. it's so basic and zzz

[Kara]

If you don't just chase crits in RPGs idek how you get out of the tutorial dungeon without being rendered comatose by boredom.

[Jansen]

Should "Forced censorship!" excuse genuinely questionable behavior?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=184850291&postcount=20

OP has one hell of an agenda

[Kara]

In what situation is censorship *not* forced? Instead of writing tl;dr OPs about uguu games why don't you look up the definition of words.

[nudemacusers]

I-I just wanted the s-supreme court to notice me

[FStop7]

Should "Forced censorship!" excuse genuinely questionable behavior?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=184850291&postcount=20

OP has one hell of an agenda

Someone called the OP out in detail and got banned for it.

[brawndolicious]

Skyrim dagger and bow criticals . Can't sneak against dragons but sneaking through dungeons was fun.

I just want Fallout 4 to have a fairly steady 30 FPS and loot and humor. As long as it has that I'm happy.

[Alcoholic Fish]

Despite the combat being shit I still like Morrowind best.

I actually liked the combat in Morrowind.  Had that old school "if you try to use a combat style you haven't trained, get ready to suck."  Made you think about the type of combat you engaged in early on.  I get the complaints, though.

[zomgee]

Should "Forced censorship!" excuse genuinely questionable behavior?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=184850291&postcount=20

OP has one hell of an agenda

Someone called the OP out in detail and got banned for it.

Yeah it's because of their clearly defined rule of

[El Babua]

Despite the combat being shit I still like Morrowind best.

I actually liked the combat in Morrowind.  Had that old school "if you try to use a combat style you haven't trained, get ready to suck."  Made you think about the type of combat you engaged in early on.  I get the complaints, though.

^Agreed

Morrowind may not have had perfect mechanics, but it was by far the most interesting with all the customization you had when it came to creating spells and enchantment.

[Phoenix Dark]

“Those who absolutely wish to see her naked, either to enjoy the original content as created or for whatever other reason you may have…”

 

[meeb]

I liked NV.

New Vegas shits all over Bethesda's games that gen.

New Vegas has a story that wasn't some D Grade hollywood trite shit, the main factions in play actually influence a lot in your game depending on what you do, it has weapon customization and a lot more guns/weapons in general compared to Fallout/Elder Scrolls, the writing and dialog isn't hokey dokey shit, the story and world itself allows you to roleplay without feeling like you're fucking the narrative in the ass with a switchblade.

Preferring Fallout 3 or Skyjobber to New Vegas means you value less depth, less gameplay depth, worse writing, and put more value in how you can look at random shit for 300 hours. Not liking New Vegas but enjoying those other games is fine, but its sorta hard to understand when New Vegas is the tightest package.

That's because New Vegas was made by the original Fallout (well most of them) team that are at Obsidian and not made by Todd "BLOWING SHIT UP IS FUN(NY)!" Howard/Beth. Not hard to blow Beth's Fallout's out of the water so long as you remember the series was based on a P&P RPG system (GURPS, then modified) and actually play to that strength pretty hard.

Someone actually tried to claim to me that NV fans were just Obsidian fanboys deluding themselves into thinking NV was different from 3.

[meeb]

maybe you should leave that up to the consumer

No. This is about ethics in reproductive choice.

[mormapope]

That stufte guy is hilarious in the used games thread. I want to find out who he works for and buy all his games used.

I currently work for a mobile dev. But you can buy the Ghost Recon games I made used all you want. Buying games used is cool by me.

Did you work on Rainbow Six Vegas 1&2 at all?

GRAW 1 had an okay campaign but great multiplayer, while GRAW2 had a great campaign and great multiplayer. Rainbow Six Vegas is my favorite multiplayer shooter that gen, way ahead of the curve when it came to soldier customization and RPG progression in a multiplayer shooter.

Best part of Rainbow Six though was learning how to get good at the game. Stopping and hip firing in bursts to nail instantaneous headshots, not using the cover system because you'd get wrecked, the huge amount of glitches on Casino Vault.

I take pride in being on a top 10 online team for Rainbow Six. Clan battles against other great players? 

[Yulwei]

Should "Forced censorship!" excuse genuinely questionable behavior?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=184850291&postcount=20

OP has one hell of an agenda

a quick search on google leads to jonjonaug's SA profile.. which is currently banned due to his posting about an anime child porn visual novel