The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.

[brob]

[mormapope]

Apparently No Man's Sky is gonna be $60? I was in the camp that thought it would be a $19.99 digital title.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=184853708&postcount=256

For what the game is doing I'm more than alright with the price.

People are willing to spend $60 on a Minecraft clone
 

EDIT: People talking about a how procedural game is massive and the size warrants the price point 

[mormapope]

Garry's Mod should be $60 then since you're given massive tool set and can create almost anything now. Unlimited gameplay potential. Minecraft should've been $60.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=184837697&postcount=154

So people will gladly pay 60 bucks for a 4 hour Halo campaign with multiplayer smacked onto it.
But paying 60 bucks for a game that generates a flipping universe and has possibly limitless hours of gameplay, is too much?

These people man.... -_-

Halo is a game built around shooting mechanics, skill, depth. No Man's Sky is built around the hype Spore generated.

 

[nachobro]

have they shown you doing anything in that game but look at shit? or scanning shit?

it's like metroid prime but with even more empty boredom

[The Legend of Sunblade]

No Man's Sky could totally have all the depth/content needed to warrant the $60 tag, but if it does, they've done a beyond terrible job of showing that off. I was slightly little interested in the game, but definitely not for that much. 

[mormapope]

Gonna start calling it No Man's 1886. 1886 is how many seconds it takes to get bored and regret the $60, day one purchase.

[Kara]

1886 was the year of Haymarket. I hate that it's a punchline because of a shitty Playstation exclusive (redundant -ed.). #BlackFlagWavingLivesMatter

[nudemacusers]

did i just see some metroid prime shade

[thisismyusername]

did i just see some metroid prime shade

He's right though.

Says the 2D Metroid Stan.

[Kara]

Metroid Prime

[mormapope]

Fallout 3 > New Vegas.

Also, Metroid Prime is top 5 of its generation.

 

The 3D Castlevania games during that gen are better than Metroid Prime.

[nudemacusers]

mods delete this thread 

[mormapope]

They have to scan every post in the thread to get 100% synchronization to get the best conclusion, while also having to navigate through the thread and type with a gamecube controller.

[qq more]

Fallout 3 > New Vegas.

Also, Metroid Prime is top 5 of its generation.

 

The 3D Castlevania games during that gen are better than Metroid Prime.

There were 3D Castlevania games in the PS2/GC generation?

[thisismyusername]

Fallout 3 > New Vegas.

Incorrect.

Then again I don't blame you for wanting to shoot children with nukes given some of your posts.

[brob]

Fallout 3 > New Vegas.

Also, Metroid Prime is top 5 of its generation.

 

The 3D Castlevania games during that gen are better than Metroid Prime.

There were 3D Castlevania games in the PS2/GC generation?

the kojima designs in curse of darkness

[qq more]

and then it turns out I never knew that game existed. Always thought the only 3D ones were the LoS games and the N64 game.

[FStop7]

Apparently No Man's Sky is gonna be $60? I was in the camp that thought it would be a $19.99 digital title.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=184853708&postcount=256

For what the game is doing I'm more than alright with the price.

People are willing to spend $60 on a Minecraft clone
 

EDIT: People talking about a how procedural game is massive and the size warrants the price point 

That's why I've been asking and asking what the game's supposed to be.  I've always believed it to be a $60 game and want to know what there is to it besides 'walking simulator.'

[Kara]

Curse of Darkness owns if you're a Castlevania III fan.

[thisismyusername]

Eh... PS2 era 3D Castlevanias are pretty... 

Lord of Shadow 1 isn't bad. I haven't gotten around 2, but I hear 2 is pretty

[Yulwei]

no man's sky is going to be a piece of shit

[WanderingWind]

People are willing to spend $60 on a Minecraft clone
 

That's unfair. Minecraft, even at alphas, had different tools, things to mine and nearly unlimited building options. NMS has you shooting things with a magic pistol until it drops ores that you can then do exactly dick all with. You can't build shit in NMS. You can "improve" your ship in some nebulous, unexplained way.

[brob]

Curse of Darkness owns if you're a Castlevania III fan.

letting u @ trevor years before twitter

[Shadow Mod]

I think the image in that censorship thread got me put on a watchlist.

Fucks sake GAF.

[VomKriege]

I think it's a bit unfair to assume what No Man Sky is worth just yet. On the whole I find the discussion about value a very difficult one and I think the industry has been much better in recent years in proposing a larger and fairer price structure. I'm also not that shocked that NMS would retail at the "standard" price for console games with a physical release (esp. in light of something like Matrix games pricing), but I also think it is a positive development that gamers are critical towards what is offered to them. This is one of those cases where I think the benevolent invisible hand of the market will be fairly efficient at passing judgement.

EDIT : No physical release planned yet ? Heh.

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=184894475&postcount=1355

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=184894907&postcount=1357

Indies? Come the fuck on. This may be a shock, but s lot of people want AAA EXPERIENCES. That's like saying "it's okay that there are hardly any Hollywood movies with minotity or female leads! Go watch indie movies or stuff on YouTube!"

Did you ignore my Holltwood Movies and Indie Movies analogy? Indie games are fun, obviously, but they are not AAA games.

If a person tells you they want more minority and women leads in movies, don't tell them to go on Youtube

 

That's not how movies work.
This weird fixation on arbitrary and vague labels for games is really 

[Mr. Nobody]

Fallout 3 > New Vegas.

Incorrect.

Then again I don't blame you for wanting to shoot children with nukes given some of your posts.

[Jansen]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=184906304&postcount=12

At least he did, good. He still lives through his kid or kids.

If he didn't have any it would be way more sad.

Hell I'm 32 and don't have any yet.

 

[FStop7]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1137872&page=1

The defensiveness   

[brawndolicious]

The problem was dual analogue games or most ports that weren't designed around it. It's like the opposite of xbox controller that was designed to have the best ports possible.

Still loved that stupid pad .

[Stoney Mason]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=184922501&postcount=24

I love these kind of jackasses. I can guarantee if he could only be a black character in the game, he'd be the first kind of person bitching about it ala San Andreas.

This isn't some kind of deep lore based game where you are playing some character with deep nuanced cultural attributes that are integral. It's a murder simulator where you create your barbie doll to go around murdering everything on screen. Of course there should have been all kind of ethnic options. The fact that it could be a man or a women shows that. As long as you are a white one of course.

[mormapope]

The combat in Metroid Prime was an advanced form of hop scotch, probably the worst combat in any FPS game I've played. I can't give a shit about the atmosphere, or lore of the universe when the game itself revolves around locking on to some generic alien, hopping left and right, while charging the same attack and then shooting a missile or two. Combat is a huge part of these games, and its fucking boring.

Killer 7 was janky but it felt great to shoot shit. The combat in Metroid Prime had the wow and fun factor of waiting for an STD to clear up.

[Kara]

Aside from maybe Fusion I can't think of a single Metroid game with good combat. SNESthings can't even hide behind Nentendo amnesia on this one, the fatted calf of the series (Super) was on the same system as Contra 3.

[Trent Dole]

Should "Forced censorship!" excuse genuinely questionable behavior?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=184850291&postcount=20

OP has one hell of an agenda

a quick search on google leads to jonjonaug's SA profile.. which is currently banned due to his posting about an anime child porn visual novel 

What the hell is he even mad over? The second image from the left is what's appearing in the steam version and the farthest left is the original. Also she's preteen by TWO years, just no.

[mormapope]

Aside from maybe Fusion I can't think of a single Metroid game with good combat. SNESthings can't even hide behind Nentendo amnesia on this one, the fatted calf of the series (Super) was on the same system as Contra 3.

I agree with this completely and that would be the main reason why SOTN beats out Super Metroid by a huge margin.

Reason number two, the soundtrack.


 

[qq more]

I don't have an issue with Metroid's combat personally, I never felt it was a big focus in the games. I love both Super Metroid and SOTN though, hard to say which one I prefer. I have yet to play Fusion though.

[qq more]

the GameCube controller was great for the games designed around it.

Smash Bros is alone enough to justify the GC controller's existence to me. It's perfect for that kind of game, especially with the Wavebird. 

[brob]

the cool part of metroid is exploring strange and alien spaces, which sort of loses it's appeal when most of the games feature fairly similar strange and alien spaces. Axiom Verge is probably the only metroid clone that makes an effort in that department too (although AV also has very bad level design imo and a terrible story that does nothing good).

more games should try to make their worlds stranger imo.

[Boogie]

Fallout 3 > New Vegas.

No.

[qq more]

Also I wish they would stop forcing story so much into the newer Metroid games. What I love about Metroid is the isolation with little story. Then Prime 3 (have yet to play 2) added a lot of cutscenes and it took away that isolation away. Then came Other M

I hope their next mainline Metroid game brings back the isolation that has been missing since... man I don't even know. Too bad we have to wait even longer because the current Metroid game in development is especially not that.

[Trent Dole]

SotN was the first non-Square OST I imported back in the day.

[VomKriege]

Missed this before in that fanservice thread :

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=184871270&postcount=1232

So when I hear someone say that Rise's outfit on that E3 badge is objectifying, or shows too much skin, or is too sexualized for the character... I can't help but think back to those girls, and imagine you telling THEM that. And if you did... I think they'd be absolutely crushed. They weren't even aware of objectification, or sexualization, or anything of that nature -- they just wanted to look cute, dance in sync with one another, sing bubbly songs, and have fun. Not for anyone else's sake, but for their own.

I feel that when people speak out against this kind of thing, it's like telling these girls that they're wrong for pursuing this particular dream -- that they put their eggs in the wrong basket and should reconsider all their life choices.

In short... I actually feel that public disgust for things like this is, in its own way, marginalizing the hopes and dreams of these girls. It's telling them, "There is only one way a girl should conduct herself, and this is not it." And that's not something you should ever tell a kid -- especially when their dreams are giving them something to be passionate about.

People really liked that post since in its immediate wake we have :

But unfortunately, the West has a preconceived notion and disgust for Idol Culture.

And the bolded attitude is in all seriousness, one of the most dangerous concepts to permeate modern culture. The singular notion that women are so weak, they can't handle freedom of expression and need other individuals with "superior world views" dictating to them how they should conduct themselves in "progressive" societies is puke worthy.

While there are absolutely parts of idol culture I'm not super keen on, it's perfectly understandable why someone would work towards becoming one, and to criticize that is a total dick move.

I think you're entirely disregarding the fact that cultural aspects of what Tom was talking about. Applying a western lens to judge eastern culture wiffs of imperialism.

The idol world is shockingly innocent compared to the music scene anywhere else in the world. (...) I think we're just a little prudish here in the Western world -- we see skin and we immediately say SEX. But in Japan, showing a little skin is pretty much a way of life, and is not considered a sexual thing.

TL, DR : Help, help, I'm being repressed. You're the real imperialist sexists if you find idol-like clothing distateful sometimes.

I don't want to ram on the Xseed guy since he has at the very least lived in Japan, so he certainly has more experience than me on that front but it does sound as a naive and short sighted, at best, line of thought (Idols being "shockingly innocent", hum yeah I have a hard time buying that). Same type of defense could (and indeed have) be made about the full veil present in some islamic countries.

[Kara]

more games should try to make their worlds stranger imo.

Cave Story

[brob]

Also I wish they would stop forcing story so much into the newer Metroid games. What I love about Metroid is the isolation with little story. Then Prime 3 (have yet to play 2) added a lot of cutscenes and it took away that isolation away. Then came Other M

I hope their next mainline Metroid game brings back the isolation that has been missing since... man I don't even know. Too bad we have to wait even longer because the current Metroid game in development is especially not that.

The way story is handled in Super Metroid is very good I think. It has basic set-up and it uses simple, non-verbal cut-scenes that add a lot of melodrama. I always thought this was purposeful, similar to how R-Type goes about it's story, but Fusion thru Other M just kept adding more and more insipid dialog to flesh out these simplistic plots so idk. Maybe it was just a limitation of what they were working with at the time.

[Momo]

I'm into Korean and Japanese idols and I cant give a fuck what people think about it

[brob]

I don't want to ram on the Xseed guy since he has at the very least lived in Japan, so he certainly has more experience than me on that front but it does sound as a naive and short sighted, at best, line of thought. Same type of defense could (and indeed have) be made about the full veil present in some islamic countries.

Tom is terrible and his orientalist cultural relativism generalizing some niche sub-culture in another country is also terrible. "The idol world is shockingly innocent compared to the music scene anywhere else in the world." is exactly the opposite of true. 

[Tasty]

Aside from maybe Fusion I can't think of a single Metroid game with good combat. SNESthings can't even hide behind Nentendo amnesia on this one, the fatted calf of the series (Super) was on the same system as Contra 3.

Metroid just sucks in general. (Except for Hunters. )

[qq more]

Also I wish they would stop forcing story so much into the newer Metroid games. What I love about Metroid is the isolation with little story. Then Prime 3 (have yet to play 2) added a lot of cutscenes and it took away that isolation away. Then came Other M

I hope their next mainline Metroid game brings back the isolation that has been missing since... man I don't even know. Too bad we have to wait even longer because the current Metroid game in development is especially not that.

The way story is handled in Super Metroid is very good I think. It has basic set-up and it uses simple, non-verbal cut-scenes that add a lot of melodrama. I always thought this was purposeful, similar to how R-Type goes about it's story, but Fusion thru Other M just kept adding more and more insipid dialog to flesh out these simplistic plots so idk. Maybe it was just a limitation of what they were working with at the time.

I like how Prime 1 handled story on modern hardware. Minimal cutscenes and a lot of lore learned by scanning areas. I thought it was very cool scanning remains of life forms and it tells you a bit of what have happened.

Missed this before in that fanservice thread :

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=184871270&postcount=1232

TL, DR : Help, help, I'm being repressed. You're the real imperialist sexists if you find idol-like clothing distateful sometimes.

I don't want to ram on the Xseed guy since he has at the very least lived in Japan, so he certainly has more experience than me on that front but it does sound as a naive and short sighted, at best, line of thought (Idols being "shockingly innocent", hum yeah I have a hard time buying that). Same type of defense could (and indeed have) be made about the full veil present in some islamic countries.

A friend of mine had to deal with wyrdwad's posts in a Ys fan forum many years ago (before that guy even touched GAF). He was apparently a very annoying poster with lots of bias, and also a massive Sony fanboy if I'm not mistaken?

[Tasty]

the GameCube controller was great for the games designed around it.

Smash Bros is alone enough to justify the GC controller's existence to me. It's perfect for that kind of game, especially with the Wavebird. 

No rumble though? Can't play Smash without rumble.

But yeah, it's obvious that the GC controller will always be that series' fighting stick. They keep bringing it back just for Smash.

[qq more]

the GameCube controller was great for the games designed around it.

Smash Bros is alone enough to justify the GC controller's existence to me. It's perfect for that kind of game, especially with the Wavebird. 

No rumble though? Can't play Smash without rumble.

But yeah, it's obvious that the GC controller will always be that series' fighting stick. They keep bringing it back just for Smash.

The lack of rumble kinda sucks, but the Wavebird is just so much comfortable enough that it's a good trade off to me.

[VomKriege]

I dunno, he is currently working at Xseed, which have IIRC quite a reputation for localizing Japanese games with questionable bits. I mostly see him in subject relevant to that since he is very much a public figure of this company now.

[Kara]

Applying a western lens to judge eastern culture wiffs of imperialism.

[FStop7]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1138109

Ew.  Just ew.  To all of it.

[archie4208]

Aside from maybe Fusion I can't think of a single Metroid game with good combat. SNESthings can't even hide behind Nentendo amnesia on this one, the fatted calf of the series (Super) was on the same system as Contra 3.

Metroid just sucks in general. (Except for Hunters. )

For a Nintendo stan you sure do have some terrible taste in their games.

[Rahxephon91]

Jesus Christ did that guy not see Perfect Blue? It was the Japanese criticizing idol culture pretty much the same way the "western" eye did.

The thing these people miss when they argue "oh it's just your western prudes" is that these things aren't exactly looked great upon in Japan themselves.

[Tasty]

Aside from maybe Fusion I can't think of a single Metroid game with good combat. SNESthings can't even hide behind Nentendo amnesia on this one, the fatted calf of the series (Super) was on the same system as Contra 3.

Metroid just sucks in general. (Except for Hunters. )

For a Nintendo stan you sure do have some terrible taste in their games.

If not playing Metroid and shitty Mario spinoffs is wrong, I don't want to be right.

[qq more]

Jesus Christ did that guy not see Perfect Blue? It was the Japanese criticizing idol culture pretty much the same way the "western" eye did.

The thing these people miss when they argue "oh it's just your western prudes" is that these things aren't exactly looked great upon in Japan themselves.

Rahxephon, what are you talking about? Japan is the land of anime, idol and pantsu!




Also our distaste towards lolicon porn is why us Americans are so hated by the Japanese!

spoiler (click to show/hide)

There was an actual human being who pretended to be Japanese told me that shit from the italics.

[close]

[Rufus]

Also I wish they would stop forcing story so much into the newer Metroid games. What I love about Metroid is the isolation with little story. Then Prime 3 (have yet to play 2) added a lot of cutscenes and it took away that isolation away. Then came Other M

I hope their next mainline Metroid game brings back the isolation that has been missing since... man I don't even know. Too bad we have to wait even longer because the current Metroid game in development is especially not that.

The way story is handled in Super Metroid is very good I think. It has basic set-up and it uses simple, non-verbal cut-scenes that add a lot of melodrama. I always thought this was purposeful, similar to how R-Type goes about it's story, but Fusion thru Other M just kept adding more and more insipid dialog to flesh out these simplistic plots so idk. Maybe it was just a limitation of what they were working with at the time.

The much maligned story of Other M with it's insipid writing and incredibly cringy "thumbs down" moment flowed from the series creator's feather as far as I know. That's definitely a case where limitations were a massive boon to a game.

[qq more]

Also I wish they would stop forcing story so much into the newer Metroid games. What I love about Metroid is the isolation with little story. Then Prime 3 (have yet to play 2) added a lot of cutscenes and it took away that isolation away. Then came Other M

I hope their next mainline Metroid game brings back the isolation that has been missing since... man I don't even know. Too bad we have to wait even longer because the current Metroid game in development is especially not that.

The way story is handled in Super Metroid is very good I think. It has basic set-up and it uses simple, non-verbal cut-scenes that add a lot of melodrama. I always thought this was purposeful, similar to how R-Type goes about it's story, but Fusion thru Other M just kept adding more and more insipid dialog to flesh out these simplistic plots so idk. Maybe it was just a limitation of what they were working with at the time.

The much maligned story of Other M with it's insipid writing and incredibly cringy "thumbs down" moment flowed from the series creator's feather as far as I know. That's definitely a case where limitations were a massive boon to a game.

Sakamoto should really stick to just being a game designer, he really excels at that. His writing is terrible.

[Mr. Nobody]

SoTN soundtrack