The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.

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Well, it's not a lost cause even if he loses, because he's given more prominence to a form of politics that is getting more attention and support due to the exposure he's giving it. So if you're a socialist, it's win/win for you.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/dec/16/socialism-most-looked-up-word-2015-merriam-webster-bernie-sanders?CMP=soc_567

[Shadow Mod]

Just read that GoT thread from start to finish.

Another "but muh boner" thread. I can't imagine why else people would be so averse to toning down the amount of rape in a show and how it's depicted.

[BrokenVerses]

Speaking of which:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=190167906&postcount=15537

Why can't they just get that community threads are where they send popular topics to die? Only like 1% of GAF goes to those sides of the board. Trying to force "new blood" into it won't work.

(Also: #TeamGreen for life. AMD )

I wouldn't mind if the mods stepped up and did a little cleaning up of what is ostensibly the PC gaming thread. Doing something about the tsunami of drivel from obnoxious anime avatar-ed posters would be a good start.

[Joe Molotov]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1160933

oh sure NOW everyone hates Cards Against Humanity

STEM master race checking in, cut that shit up. 

[Shadow Mod]

That Picasso thing truly is #firstworldproblems in a nutshell tbh.

[mormapope]

GoT rape is pretty empty compared to other HBO shows that had rape. The Sopranos dealt with the subject in a very bleak and honest way. Rape in the show Oz happens constantly, and it never feels icky or gratuitous contextually when it comes to storytelling.

In GoT, rape is used as "well, it sucks to be them"

And its like, yeah?

[Shadow Mod]

Rape in GoT is like the laziest trope to inserting drama, villainizing a dude and putting some sort of obstacle in a female character's way. Then last season you have scenes that just completely shit on any character development. The scene that definitely threw me for a loop was the Jamie/Cersei one, here you have a guy just completely disillusioned with his family and their lack of morals all out rape his sister. Then the director is like "well she wanted it in the end tho." Then you got Sansa getting some real world advice from Little Finger, coming into her own finally, and he just leaves her with the Boltons and is like "hope to see you soon." It's like lol wtf.

[meeb]

I feel like half the rape in the show didn't even occur in the books.

Not to mention the whole Sansa being raped by Ramsey just veers so far from the books it is complete and utter shit. Like, Littlefinger is fucking in love with Sansa because she reminds him of Cat. And you're telling me he just lets her marry some dude who is known for being a psychopath who beats women, makes women sleep with dogs (in the books at least), and skins people alive? Yeah ok, sure.

And then they inserted a pedophile into the show "TOO OLD" for Arya to kill. Because she clearly had no valid reasons for wanting revenge. Better lazily make the dude a pedo so that nobody needs to think about whether or not Arya's quest for vengeance is actually legitimate or not.

[Shadow Mod]

I totes forgot about making a scumbag even more scummier as a pedo 

Like I said that show just beats you over the head with "SEE HOW MUCH OF A SCUMFUCK THIS GUY IS, DO YOU SEE, DO YOU SEE"

[Phoenix Dark]

Rape in GoT is like the laziest trope to inserting drama, villainizing a dude and putting some sort of obstacle in a female character's way. Then last season you have scenes that just completely shit on any character development. The scene that definitely threw me for a loop was the Jamie/Cersei one, here you have a guy just completely disillusioned with his family and their lack of morals all out rape his sister. Then the director is like "well she wanted it in the end tho." Then you got Sansa getting some real world advice from Little Finger, coming into her own finally, and he just leaves her with the Boltons and is like "hope to see you soon." It's like lol wtf.

It's another drama beat, nothing more. The show uses it constantly too, whether it results in rape or simply the threat of rape.

Actually I don't blame the director, I think he was the fall guy. It seemed clear based on his comments that the scene was edited specifically to look like rape, and he wasn't involved. His comments sounded like he was talking about an entirely different scene, and later it was revealed that scene was re-edited without the director's feedback. I put the blame squarely on the producers, who have a history of creepy behavior.

You could tell Martin was very upset last year about the Jaime/Cersei scene, although he bit his tongue overall. Also he had a similar reaction to the Sansa disaster, and even released one of her TWOW chapters before S5 just to basically say "yea...this is what actually happens."

[meeb]

Rape in GoT is like the laziest trope to inserting drama, villainizing a dude and putting some sort of obstacle in a female character's way. Then last season you have scenes that just completely shit on any character development. The scene that definitely threw me for a loop was the Jamie/Cersei one, here you have a guy just completely disillusioned with his family and their lack of morals all out rape his sister. Then the director is like "well she wanted it in the end tho." Then you got Sansa getting some real world advice from Little Finger, coming into her own finally, and he just leaves her with the Boltons and is like "hope to see you soon." It's like lol wtf.

It's another drama beat, nothing more. The show uses it constantly too, whether it results in rape or simply the threat of rape.

Actually I don't blame the director, I think he was the fall guy. It seemed clear based on his comments that the scene was edited specifically to look like rape, and he wasn't involved. His comments sounded like he was talking about an entirely different scene, and later it was revealed that scene was re-edited without the director's feedback. I put the blame squarely on the producers, who have a history of creepy behavior.

You could tell Martin was very upset last year about the Jaime/Cersei scene, although he bit his tongue overall. Also he had a similar reaction to the Sansa disaster, and even released one of her TWOW chapters before S5 just to basically say "yea...this is what actually happens."

Why would Martin release a  "yeah this is what actually happens" chapter. Ramsey is married to  a completely different character in the books, and Sansa isn't even in Winterfell. She's still at the Veil.

[Shadow Mod]

Basically they made Little Finger either a) wreckless or b) clueless and we've been shown enough shit to know he's neither of these at this point in his life (especially in regards to Sansa) so I'm left wondering why the fuck he'd assume Sansa would even be alive and not maimed by the time he saw her again. It makes no fucking sense to leave her with the Boltons who in the books don't even give a shit if they have the right Stark or not to lay their claim.

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Still haven't seen s5 by virtue of them fucking GOAT Dorn gang.

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They turned the DORN gang into a bunch of inept frauds.

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Basically they made Little Finger either a) wreckless or b) clueless and we've been shown enough shit to know he's neither of these at this point in his life (especially in regards to Sansa) so I'm left wondering why the fuck he'd assume Sansa would even be alive and not maimed by the time he saw her again. It makes no fucking sense to leave her with the Boltons who in the books don't even give a shit if they have the right Stark or not to lay their claim.

Because let's change things for the sake of changing things regardless of story repercussions and character development.

Game of Thrones TV distilled in s single sentence.

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They turned the DORN gang into a bunch of inept frauds.

Dorn is the best country.

[meeb]

They turned the DORN gang into a bunch of inept frauds.

You want a good girl but you need the bad POOOSSEEEYYY

[Shadow Mod]

Basically they made Little Finger either a) wreckless or b) clueless and we've been shown enough shit to know he's neither of these at this point in his life (especially in regards to Sansa) so I'm left wondering why the fuck he'd assume Sansa would even be alive and not maimed by the time he saw her again. It makes no fucking sense to leave her with the Boltons who in the books don't even give a shit if they have the right Stark or not to lay their claim.

Because let's change things for the sake of changing things regardless of story repercussions and character development.

Game of Thrones TV distilled in s single sentence.

I can see changing narratives or even merging storylines for simplicity sake, but when their own character development gets fucked up by their incessant need to throw rape everywhere it's like why am I even watching this schlock.

[meeb]

Stannis got fucked hard by the adaption. Possibly.

[Phoenix Dark]

Basically they made Little Finger either a) wreckless or b) clueless and we've been shown enough shit to know he's neither of these at this point in his life (especially in regards to Sansa) so I'm left wondering why the fuck he'd assume Sansa would even be alive and not maimed by the time he saw her again. It makes no fucking sense to leave her with the Boltons who in the books don't even give a shit if they have the right Stark or not to lay their claim.

That's the thing. In Ramsay's first S5 scene he tells his father that a northern house didn't pay taxes so he killed and skinned them. And yet we're supposed to believe Littlefinger hasn't heard any information on Ramsay. It doesn't make a lick of sense. In fact S5 is full of moments like that, where it's clear the writers wanted to get from point A to C, and instead of creating B they simply skipped it altogether. Terrible plotting.

I think they basically decided they needed another Joffrey, so they turned Ramsay up 1000, making him some type of all powerful rapist/torturer who succeeds at everything he does. How else do you explain his "twenty good men" crippling a relatively large army in the manner of minutes. It's laughable.

[Shadow Mod]

Killed your aunt to keep you safe, kind of up shit creek a bit with the Lannisters unless I pay some respects and bullshit them a bit, now I'm just going to leave you with this dude who rapes people and skins them alive, PEACE...

That Ramsay stuff is just so laughable. Also GoT forgot how to make a solid prick/asshole without them having to be a complete sadomasochist of some kind.

You can make the audience generally hate a character without making them a rapist or pedophile, ffs.

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They wanted a new Joffrey.

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Also the amount of people conflating rape with sex is mad creepy. Like "where's the problem with the violence." Rape is one of the ultimate forms of violence so what in the fucking hell are you talking about.

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It's what we were talking about in the Star Wars thread. Nerds are scum. It's pretty simple at this point.

"How dare you not put pointless rape scenes in my media? This is censorship."

Nerds, brehs. Nerds.

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Notice how more and more nerds are blaming censorship for them not being allowed to get their dicks wet on specific media.

Nintendo changes a 13 year old female character that is dressed like a stripper and has the body of a 20 year old to a more age appropriate look? Censorship apparently. Nerds.

DOAX not coming because of previous low sales? It's obviously a censorship conspiracy ran by SJW's. Nerds.

GOT will no longer be having random rape shit that muck up their character development and continuously alienate their viewing audience? I'm not allowed to my dick hard? Obviously censorship. Nerds.

Fuck nerds for the most part. There's exceptions but let's be real.

[Shadow Mod]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=190208511&postcount=498

Theon did the same thing way back when to the "fake" Stark boys it just wasn't shown on or off cam. Show already established children would be victims of brutal things, hell the very first episode sets this up with Jaime pushing Bran out of the tower.

[Phoenix Dark]

They basically exchanged the moral ambiguous/grey characters of the books for good v dark dark characterizations. There are monsters in the books obviously (Ramsay, Mountain) as well as some characters that are "good" (Ned, Davos) but overall most of the characters are gray/imperfect. Yet the show has whitewashed Dany and especially Tyrion while making the villains darker. Then they protect characters morally, such as Arya with the pedophile (whereas in the book she straight up murders someone she wasn't supposed to murder).

Obviously I'm not one to complain about the adaption not being 100% faithful. The books are the books and the show should be its own thing. But it's very weird that they have simplified this aspect given how popular gray characters are on television today. And they have essentially turned dark characters into rape/violence porn to excite people. Shit is pathetic.

[meeb]

I still really don't remember what Dany did wrong in the books. I think someone said she ordered some children/hostages to be put to death? I thought she opposed that?

[Shadow Mod]

They basically exchanged the moral ambiguous/grey characters of the books for good v dark dark characterizations. There are monsters in the books obviously (Ramsay, Mountain) as well as some characters that are "good" (Ned, Davos) but overall most of the characters are gray/imperfect. Yet the show has whitewashed Dany and especially Tyrion while making the villains darker. Then they protect characters morally, such as Arya with the pedophile (whereas in the book she straight up murders someone she wasn't supposed to murder).

Obviously I'm not one to complain about the adaption not being 100% faithful. The books are the books and the show should be its own thing. But it's very weird that they have simplified this aspect given how popular gray characters are on television today. And they have essentially turned dark characters into rape/violence porn to excite people. Shit is pathetic.

Characters had at least some established and recognizable motivations in the beginning. When you start muddying the waters with a bunch of shit, you're just watching dice being rolled rather than a chain of events set up by how certain characters act out. Or you had people like Jamie who pushed to a point will do the right thing rather than be a selfish asshole, and instead they insert a scene where he regresses back into the guy that pushed Bran out of the Tower.

[Phoenix Dark]

I still really don't remember what Dany did wrong in the books. I think someone said she ordered some children/hostages to be put to death? I thought she opposed that?

In ASOS when Dany takes Astapor/steals the Unsullied she has them execute all male children of slave holder's over the age of 12.

[meeb]

I still really don't remember what Dany did wrong in the books. I think someone said she ordered some children/hostages to be put to death? I thought she opposed that?

In ASOS when Dany takes Astapor/steals the Unsullied she has them execute all male children of slave holder's over the age of 12.

Weird they wrote that out of the show. All they had to do was make her Ancient Israeli and put some Biblical flair on it.

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I still really don't remember what Dany did wrong in the books. I think someone said she ordered some children/hostages to be put to death? I thought she opposed that?

In ASOS when Dany takes Astapor/steals the Unsullied she has them execute all male children of slave holder's over the age of 12.

Forgot about this. Dany is cold as fuck in ASOS.

[qq more]

Notice how more and more nerds are blaming censorship for them not being allowed to get their dicks wet on specific media.

Nintendo changes a 13 year old female character that is dressed like a stripper and has the body of a 20 year old to a more age appropriate look? Censorship apparently. Nerds.

DOAX not coming because of previous low sales? It's obviously a censorship conspiracy ran by SJW's. Nerds.

GOT will no longer be having random rape shit that muck up their character development and continuously alienate their viewing audience? I'm not allowed to my dick hard? Obviously censorship. Nerds.

Fuck nerds for the most part. There's exceptions but let's be real.

I've seen someone who went on a tangent on the Xenoblade censorship, calling the localization "miserable" and boycotting the american/european release. He then went on how all animes should be subbed (BECAUSE CENSORSHIP!!!) and claims all feminists only care about themselves. All this before he tells me that he does his "research".  Would not be a surprise he if turned out to be some goobergater after all the content I've seen from him.

Fuck nerds indeed.

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Let's just hope they're all twenty something's and will grow out of it by the time they're 30.

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Either way I'll be content with nerdy things becoming more inclusive and less rapey while apparently it's "censorship" for creators to realize just how fucking creepy their shit has been and do a little introspection. 

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You're going too far, shadow mod!

[Shadow Mod]

You're going too far, shadow mod!

I know right, little girls go to the beach too, I'm such a prude.

[Phoenix Dark]

I'm not opposed to rape being depicted in fiction. I just don't want it to be nothing more than a shock moment to entertain/excite.

There's a lot of rape in the books, although it's not really depicted directly. But you see the impact and how terrible it is...just as you see the impact and how terrible war is. There's that woman Arya meets in ACOK who is so mentally/emotionally damaged that the only word she can utter is "no."  Or Jeyne Poole in the last book. She is a broken human being by the end of that book due to Ramsay. Whereas the show doesn't even explore that with Sansa. She gets raped, is a bit sullen...and that's about it.

[meeb]

Either way I'll be content with nerdy things becoming more inclusive and less rapey while apparently it's "censorship" for creators to realize just how fucking creepy their shit has been and do a little introspection. 

INCLUSIVE IS CODE WORD FOR WHITE GENOCIDE

[meeb]

I'm not opposed to rape being depicted in fiction. I just don't want it to be nothing more than a shock moment to entertain/excite.

There's a lot of rape in the books, although it's not really depicted directly. But you see the impact and how terrible it is...just as you see the impact and how terrible war is. There's that woman Arya meets in ACOK who is so mentally/emotionally damaged that the only word she can utter is "no."  Or Jeyne Poole in the last book. She is a broken human being by the end of that book due to Ramsay. Whereas the show doesn't even explore that with Sansa. She gets raped, is a bit sullen...and that's about it.

There's also the woman who puts a miscarriage curse on Dany and makes her husband braindead because she was raped by the Dothraki.

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I'm fine with rape existing in fiction but GOT'a way of handling of it is beyond inept and cumbersome.

I'm not opposed to rape being depicted in fiction. I just don't want it to be nothing more than a shock moment to entertain/excite.

There's a lot of rape in the books, although it's not really depicted directly. But you see the impact and how terrible it is...just as you see the impact and how terrible war is. There's that woman Arya meets in ACOK who is so mentally/emotionally damaged that the only word she can utter is "no."  Or Jeyne Poole in the last book. She is a broken human being by the end of that book due to Ramsay. Whereas the show doesn't even explore that with Sansa. She gets raped, is a bit sullen...and that's about it.

Nailed it.

[Shadow Mod]

They basically wanted Theon to find his humanity again by seeing Sansa continually abused.

You saw a character that has her own story line become foil for a minor character to change.

Of course they didn't care about her, she's not the center of the point of the sexual assault, which is the problem in a nutshell really. They put this shit in and then don't really think hard about how it's affecting their own narrative. We'll just make her sullen now since that's all rape does to a person and affect their future decisions right?

It's lazy fucking writing, tropish shit. People don't just harp on tropes for shits and giggles. Well you see when writers/producers consistently rely on them and don't actually write out the motivation for a thing to actually happen or a character to act for a reason other than lulz, you get the schlock you're seeing in parts of GoT. You're also seeing the story go nowhere because it doesn't further the narrative in any way. We already know who's a shit, all they tend to do is reinforce that someone is even shittier this season. Oh okay, congrats, yawn.

With characters like Ramsay and Joffrey you might as well have some cartoonish voice say "WAIT TILL YOU SEE WHAT HE DOES NEXT", I mean come on.

[meeb]

To be fair, Joff was cartoonishly villainous in the books. Dude was barely kept in check by his family, especially since Cersei let him do whatever. Ramsey probably would be as cartoonishly evil. Well... he actually kind of is. He hunts women for sport, and makes Jeene Poole has sex with a dog.

[BrokenVerses]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=190211523&postcount=7

[meeb]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=190211523&postcount=7

How long until Bish bans him?

[Shadow Mod]

To be fair, Joff was cartoonishly villainous in the books. Dude was barely kept in check by his family, especially since Cersei let him do whatever. Ramsey probably would be as cartoonishly evil. Well... he actually kind of is. He hunts women for sport, and makes Jeene Poole has sex with a dog.

They are but when the series is already condensed plot you don't need to expend that much energy reminding the audience they're terrible. It doesn't really advance the story. Also both of them are basically little shits, I'm already annoyed at making Ramsay the big bad when he's just a sadistic little shit whose father isn't keeping in line either.

[Alcoholic Fish]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=190211523&postcount=7

FartOfWar is one of my favorite posters for his metacommentary alone.  Somehow he always avoids a ban, too.

[fistfulofmetal]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=190211523&postcount=7

FartOfWar is one of my favorite posters for his metacommentary alone.  Somehow he always avoids a ban, too.

That's  Shawn Elliott afaik. The guy who was on GFW Radio.

[nachobro]

and of course slayven has no real response. time to head back to bct to complain about the backlash of the cruel, racist internet forum poster

[Shadow Mod]

Oh no students protesting war mongering liars and transphobes.

They're definitely denying themselves the benefit of different points of view there!

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I wonder if Obama would consider Donald Trump's different point of view. Every idea is worth considering after all!

[Jansen]

and of course slayven has no real response. time to head back to bct to complain about the backlash of the cruel, racist internet forum poster

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=190213262
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=190212824

dude is such a predictable bitch

[mormapope]

I was kind of meh, but folks taking potshots at me in threads always gives me life.

always gives me life

Life

Don't know whats sadder, the racial inequality in this country or Slayven.
 

[Rufus]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=190211523&postcount=7

FartOfWar is one of my favorite posters for his metacommentary alone.  Somehow he always avoids a ban, too.

That's  Shawn Elliott afaik. The guy who was on GFW Radio.

Yup. He's still keeping the hero of the web thing going on Twitter, among other things.

https://twitter.com/shawnelliott

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I blame the constant need for rape and over the top violence on the fact that everything apparently needs to be grimdark since at least the late 90s.  This especially applies for nerds because they've equated being dark and edgy with quality and depth.  I think it's because they also equate it with maturity, which helps justify why they're 28 years old and are still obsessed about comic book movies.

[Alcoholic Fish]

and of course slayven has no real response. time to head back to bct to complain about the backlash of the cruel, racist internet forum poster

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=190213262
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=190212824

dude is such a predictable bitch

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=190214397&postcount=50
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=190214862&postcount=63
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=190215173&postcount=70

And like clockwork, his BCT brethren appear to defend him and bait the ban.

[Shadow Mod]

Obama pointed out instances where students protest "somebody like the director of the IMF or Condi Rice speaking on campus because they don't like what they stand for."

I'm not really averse to the idea of college students protesting the idea of tens of thousands of dollars going to assholes who helped the Bush administration sell the Iraq War and commit war crimes. Speakers are paid on top of spewing horseshit.

For others to insist it's them trying to create some bubble is just lame.

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Clearly another example of modern censorship and PC society ruling its long hair FEMALE head.

Let's give them a chance, amirite Obama?

[headwalk]

shawn is proper. spoke to him a few times. you only ever get the PG version on forums.

he'd probably be hounded off the internet if he ever let rip.

[BrokenVerses]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=190217993&postcount=125

rip mac