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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2340 on: October 29, 2016, 09:56:48 PM »
The cosplay thread in the gaming section should be locked.  I,  for one, can't even! What's up with the hundreds of photos of white people appropriating japanese culture. What's even more disgusting is the fact that some of these people get PAID to approximate great japanese cultural works under the pretense of 'modelling'

Lock and purge the cosplay thread now, enough is enough

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benjipwns

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2341 on: October 29, 2016, 10:38:36 PM »
Do these so called "cosplayers" have permission from the characters and the companies to appropriate their images for whatever lurid purposes they intend? These image or character pirates need to consider that they could be harming the sales of these companies much like Street Fighter V's oversexualization has destroyed the credibility of that franchise and Capcom in the eyes of the public. The damage they're doing could count in the millions of dollars and thousands of jobs. Image pirates need to be held accountable. If not by GAF administration then by the law.

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2342 on: October 29, 2016, 10:52:47 PM »
Quote from: Massive Fuck C.M.
There are 5 posts quoting it to laugh at it, 3 (including yours) upset with it.

Out of 230

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2343 on: October 30, 2016, 12:31:04 AM »
Hillary isnt remotely corrupt

 :neogaf
When you make corruption legal, it's just playing by the rules. 

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VomKriege

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2344 on: October 30, 2016, 12:36:57 AM »
Quote from: Amir0x, 20 minutes earlier
Sometimes you gotta call a spade a spade. If i believed elvis was alive in my basement, id be fucking dumb. And i hope everyone called me on it.

Well, you're being dumb now. More so than ever.
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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2345 on: October 30, 2016, 12:37:39 AM »
GAF has put itself in a situation where the people who are loudest and most passionate are essentially "rewarded" with attention, but rather than just having a small number of people like that, it's everyone. Everyone is loud and passionate. So, you've got to be even louder and even more passionate in order to stand out and get that attention. A good moderation team would recognize that this kind of behavior is bad for the community and put a stop to it, but at GAF they either just ignore it or even encourage it [or just straight up take part in it themselves]. What conservatives the forum had have pretty much been run off the site and people who are more liberal but not Super Mega Ultra Liberals stay away out of fear that their more moderate views will earn them just as much disdain as hardcore conservative views. In the end, it's just a bunch of Super Mega Ultra Liberals who, rather than actually be concerned with liberal politics, just want all the other liberals to know that they are the most liberal of all.
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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2346 on: October 30, 2016, 12:41:57 AM »
Quote from: Amir0x, 20 minutes earlier
Sometimes you gotta call a spade a spade.

huh

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benjipwns

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2347 on: October 30, 2016, 12:42:49 AM »
GAF has put itself in a situation where the people who are loudest and most passionate are essentially "rewarded" with attention, but rather than just having a small number of people like that, it's everyone. Everyone is loud and passionate. So, you've got to be even louder and even more passionate in order to stand out and get that attention. A good moderation team would recognize that this kind of behavior is bad for the community and put a stop to it, but at GAF they either just ignore it or even encourage it [or just straight up take part in it themselves]. What conservatives the forum had have pretty much been run off the site and people who are more liberal but not Super Mega Ultra Liberals stay away out of fear that their more moderate views will earn them just as much disdain as hardcore conservative views. In the end, it's just a bunch of Super Mega Ultra Liberals who, rather than actually be concerned with liberal politics, just want all the other liberals to know that they are the most liberal of all.
Sorry, dont work that way. You know jack and shit about our elections, demonstrably are profoundly ignorant about our candidates - especially Hillary - and then dare say WE are living in an echo chamber and cant view things critically. You are the worst type of ignorant poster. Willfully so.

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2348 on: October 30, 2016, 12:55:38 AM »
When you play the game of thrones you win or you die, and Trump isn't going to win!  YASS QUEEN SLAY!  STRONGER TOGETHER!

EDIT:  whoops, wrong forum :teehee

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2350 on: October 30, 2016, 01:20:03 AM »
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No, man, no. Friends dont let friends overdose on hopium. There are numbers you could call, ones that let you hear a Hillary robo recording before you donate. It wont get you fucked up like pure hopium, but it may take the edge off.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=222093543&postcount=3745

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benjipwns

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2351 on: October 30, 2016, 01:25:11 AM »
There's a theory that's been floated by conservatives for some time that Democrats constant whining about "messaging" as their only flaw is a side-effect of the willful echo chamber effects. That because the "right" is used to the left-wing media bias they're constantly confronted by oppositional ideas, go on MSNBC, etc. to face oppositional debate, etc. Democrats avoid Fox News, ignore and immediately dismiss any kind of conservative/Republican criticism as without merit, etc.

As a result, they're caught flat footed endlessly because of that lack of experience with opposition POV. Jonathan Haidt's test where conservatives did better than progressives at guessing and articulating the opposing point of view illustrated this to an extent.

I don't want to present this as an explanatory fact but instead note that the premise of the theory is continuously reinforced in the mentality GR points out about GAF. Never does anyone actually "debunk" anything they just scream about how it's debunked and how they have so many links that it's not worth their time to inform you. Thus their arguments aren't even persuasive to people who are favorably predisposed to them. Even conceding a criticism as having merit, no matter where it comes from, is instantly attacked as undermining the cause and plus it's been debunked anyway.

And it's not just electoral politics, you can see it in the race threads, the gender threads, gaming side, whatever. But politics provides a good example because of how insane everyone is being about it. The infighting about Democrats/progressives and their leaners is ferocious enough that of course a rational conservative/Republican would have no interest in piercing the bubble. So you're left with the garbage representatives.

It becomes a one-way ratchet. The conservatives retreat into their own echo chambers has only made the problem worse writ large, and it gives both groups a reason to immediately dismiss anything that comes from outside it and runs counter to the talking points they're getting.

As long as the spectre of Republicans are haunting America, there won't be any room for criticism of Hillary or Democrats. They've already been hand waving criticism of Obama with "but the GOP will use it during an election!" Now they've just got the ultimate Trump* card to play forever and ever until the next villain who's even worse comes along. And it's really just in service to seeing their corporation win. How it wins, what people get when it wins, what better options are available (PC) are all irrelevant because it's about winning over the villain who is always and forever deploying sinister underhand tactics like advertising or favorable spin.

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2354 on: October 30, 2016, 02:05:24 AM »
Duckroll seems pretty alright to me, he gives off the impression as someone willing to speak in the open and defend his shit not just ban people for disagreeing. He's legit abrasive at times, but you can actually argue him in that state and not catch a ban to the other forums shadow realm.

Momo

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2355 on: October 30, 2016, 02:11:49 AM »
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No, man, no. Friends dont let friends overdose on hopium. There are numbers you could call, ones that let you hear a Hillary robo recording before you donate. It wont get you fucked up like pure hopium, but it may take the edge off.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=222093543&postcount=3745

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Convinced Amirox thought up this Hilary troll long con while on some acid. No one could be this fucked up. That or he has legit brain damage

Atramental

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2356 on: October 30, 2016, 04:22:12 AM »
GAF, collectively, can sit on a fucking pointy stick.

benjipwns

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2357 on: October 30, 2016, 04:28:32 AM »
the argument over whether he's conservative or liberal is so...perfect

he's "libertarian with some liberal views", "he's right-wing and center-right with some liberal views", "he's a liberal who doesn't like PC culture", "he's way more conservative than anything else except for pot and religion and stuff", "he can be progressive but he's also a scumbag asshole alt-right gamergater" and so on

why won't these oblong pegs fit into my square hole*

i knew chumley was destined for big things when he was just a junior:
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So the alt-right should be given just as much oxygen as liberals? That's your argument? Might make sense if he had sane republicans on instead of people backing hate campaigns. The fact that he had Milo on even once is telling.
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Having on different guests doesn't automatically make him a liberal. Not a single person has yet backed up this idea that he's secretly a liberal, while others including me have backed up the idea that he's actually a right-wing or center-right fuckhead who has some liberal friends and ideas.

also, apparently there's HUGE money to chase the alt-right gamergate niche and that's the only reason a poorly informed yet outspoken comedian of decades is saying anything he says:
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It's always disappointing when someone you enjoy gets a taste of the alt-right audience's money, and suddenly doubles down on the crazy. Plenty of gamers saw it happen when their Youtube favorites suddenly wanted to give a voice to Gamergate.
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The alt-right is the reason that one-trick youtubers have five figure monthly patreons. The fact that opportunists willing to jump into that shit pit, just for the sake of the almighty dollar, is fucking disgraceful.

also the ironing is so flattening my shirts:
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He's the kind of guy who only absorbs headlines because he can't muddle his way through full articles. Have you ever met someone like this? Someone who feigns intellect by having a very shallow understanding of a wide variety of topics. It might come off as impressive to other idiots but it's a loathsome quality that anyone with half a brain can see through.
do you mean on GAF or in real life? or just this Joe Rogan thread?

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Raist

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2358 on: October 30, 2016, 04:34:50 AM »
So, how long till GAF implodes?
I'd say Q3 17, give or take.

Rufus

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2359 on: October 30, 2016, 04:45:08 AM »
Nothing at all is going to happen. Nobody is there for the OT exclusively. Or rather, those who are don't matter enough to sink the forum.

VomKriege

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2360 on: October 30, 2016, 04:48:06 AM »
"Alt right money" is the new "Sony moneyhats" then ?

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Duckroll seems pretty alright to me, he gives off the impression as someone willing to speak in the open and defend his shit not just ban people for disagreeing. He's legit abrasive at times, but you can actually argue him in that state and not catch a ban to the other forums shadow realm.

You're not wrong, but in that South Korea topic he's really being an ass though. The other mod is just telling people to cool it with the Kpop shit, which I guess is part of his job. duckroll is undermining a pretty sensible remark just to bitch some more on the title.
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benjipwns

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2361 on: October 30, 2016, 05:15:46 AM »
they'd realize normal people don't go around giving each other purity tests or wondering if what they're doing/watching lines up with their political principals, or even talk about politics at all. Normal people aren't engaged and fully researched on everything they talk about, they don't always agree with everyone around them, they say off color remarks from time to time, and they move on because that's how most people live their lives.
and this is how gamergate wins, okkkulus and sheetscoveringtheirfacebook have already been lost, because "good" people stay ignorant rather than taking up the fight to force everyone onto the right side of history

they will not be able to sit on the sidelines, they will not be able to opt-out

they will be made to care.

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2362 on: October 30, 2016, 06:12:50 AM »
Joe Rogan is prime for GAF outrage, I'm surprised he isn't mentioned more often.  The truth is, depending on the guest, Rogan will morph and change some of his views. Most of the buddies he has on regularly are idiots.

It's been a few years since I was a sporadic listener but the most offensive guests to me were the pseudo-archaeologists/ancient aliens motherfuckers. The second or third Graham Hancock episode a few years ago is about the time I dropped it  :doge
the argument over whether he's conservative or liberal is so...perfect

he's "libertarian with some liberal views", "he's right-wing and center-right with some liberal views", "he's a liberal who doesn't like PC culture", "he's way more conservative than anything else except for pot and religion and stuff", "he can be progressive but he's also a scumbag asshole alt-right gamergater" and so on

why won't these oblong pegs fit into my square hole*
If you're incapable of encapsulating your political and ideological positions in less than 2 or 3 words, you're probably just trying to ride the fence (and also have an 80% likelihood of sporting a south park avatar) and are therefore legitimizing the alt-right by not outright condemning them.  Meaning you're really no better than the alt-righers meaning YOU ARE ALT-RIGHT.  Keep your "both sides" arguments out of here.  This isn't the time.

[amirox]LET'S CALL A SPADE A SPADE [/amirox]
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benjipwns

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2363 on: October 30, 2016, 07:28:05 AM »
nobody cares what these alt-right shitlords have to say, they're nobodies trying to latch onto a fad for money, no one who matters pays attention to them

that's why it's imperative that trash like Jimmy Fallon and Joe Rogan are called out and brought to answer for normalizing hate by having on guests that shouldn't be given any publicity in a modern society

making any kind of exception for these violence mongers signals that tolerance is unwelcome and undermines what should be a open and free democratic society

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2364 on: October 30, 2016, 07:31:10 AM »
GAF rating bill burr has always been a weird one. if he had an account he'd get absolutely piled on by humourless militant shitheads and would never make it past junior status.

benjipwns

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2365 on: October 30, 2016, 07:42:52 AM »
there are segments on GAF that have some really strange conceptions of what's funny and not

i don't even mean in a "i think that's garbage" way as there are lots of comedians or shows or whatever i don't like but i can see why people find it funny or that i think is funnier or less funny than them but still funny, but this is like in that when they explain it it's really weird and like not supposed to be funny in the first place?

especially when they link to something that YOU HAVE TO SEE

i'm blanking on past threads other than that one where people were complaining about "mean spirited and deceptive humor" in seinfeld/always sunny/sarcasm/etc. but i remember one we made fun of on here for like a month after

Olivia Wilde Homo

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2366 on: October 30, 2016, 08:15:41 AM »
GAF is too angry and humorless to discuss comedy.

Fortunately NPR has cornered the market on comedy for people with no sense of humor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wait_Wait..._Don%27t_Tell_Me!

See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Sedaris
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Raist

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2367 on: October 30, 2016, 08:28:45 AM »
Nothing at all is going to happen. Nobody is there for the OT exclusively. Or rather, those who are don't matter enough to sink the forum.

This shit has started to spread from the OT side a while ago already. Just look at how many threads about these sort of topics are on Gaming side now with post counts an order of magnitude higher than discussing games. And now people "fighting" this, even with well constructed, respectful posts, are giving up or being banned.
If you look at the bump GAF got around E3 on the Alexa ranking this year, it was but a mere shadow of past years'. It's slowly getting there, IMO.

VomKriege

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2368 on: October 30, 2016, 08:39:36 AM »
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Raist

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2369 on: October 30, 2016, 08:54:28 AM »
Here we go with people convincing themselves that this thing is going to be Gen8-level of power. In a handheld. From Nintendo.

It's like they still haven't learned anything from the past decade.

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Rufus

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2371 on: October 30, 2016, 09:32:46 AM »
Nothing at all is going to happen. Nobody is there for the OT exclusively. Or rather, those who are don't matter enough to sink the forum.

This shit has started to spread from the OT side a while ago already. Just look at how many threads about these sort of topics are on Gaming side now with post counts an order of magnitude higher than discussing games. And now people "fighting" this, even with well constructed, respectful posts, are giving up or being banned.
If you look at the bump GAF got around E3 on the Alexa ranking this year, it was but a mere shadow of past years'. It's slowly getting there, IMO.
You may have a point about the spill-over (don't pay enough attention to know), but Alexa ratings are a fairly useless measurement in that they are based on page views by people who have their browser extension installed. They claim it's a representative sample, but they don't make those numbers public.

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2373 on: October 30, 2016, 09:45:43 AM »
Nothing at all is going to happen. Nobody is there for the OT exclusively. Or rather, those who are don't matter enough to sink the forum.

This shit has started to spread from the OT side a while ago already. Just look at how many threads about these sort of topics are on Gaming side now with post counts an order of magnitude higher than discussing games. And now people "fighting" this, even with well constructed, respectful posts, are giving up or being banned.
If you look at the bump GAF got around E3 on the Alexa ranking this year, it was but a mere shadow of past years'. It's slowly getting there, IMO.
You may have a point about the spill-over (don't pay enough attention to know), but Alexa ratings are a fairly useless measurement in that they are based on page views by people who have their browser extension installed. They claim it's a representative sample, but they don't make those numbers public.


The problem I have with this argument (often given by EviLore himself) is that the results we see are relative, not absolute - i.e. it's a ranking.
So if there is such bias "against" Neogaf, it unexplicably happened very recently (more or less over the last year or so), after a handful of years of rapid growth.

I don't think the fact that the stats on GAF's home page have suddenly stopped working around the same time is a coincidence either. He can claim that the site keeps growing all he wants, the fact of the matter is that the posting rate has been on a steep decline for some time.

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2374 on: October 30, 2016, 09:46:55 AM »
nobody cares what these alt-right shitlords have to say, they're nobodies trying to latch onto a fad for money, no one who matters pays attention to them

that's why it's imperative that trash like Jimmy Fallon and Joe Rogan are called out and brought to answer for normalizing hate by having on guests that shouldn't be given any publicity in a modern society

making any kind of exception for these violence mongers signals that tolerance is unwelcome and undermines what should be a open and free democratic society

jimmy fellon is al right too now?


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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2376 on: October 30, 2016, 09:55:41 AM »
Nothing at all is going to happen. Nobody is there for the OT exclusively. Or rather, those who are don't matter enough to sink the forum.

This shit has started to spread from the OT side a while ago already. Just look at how many threads about these sort of topics are on Gaming side now with post counts an order of magnitude higher than discussing games. And now people "fighting" this, even with well constructed, respectful posts, are giving up or being banned.
If you look at the bump GAF got around E3 on the Alexa ranking this year, it was but a mere shadow of past years'. It's slowly getting there, IMO.
You may have a point about the spill-over (don't pay enough attention to know), but Alexa ratings are a fairly useless measurement in that they are based on page views by people who have their browser extension installed. They claim it's a representative sample, but they don't make those numbers public.


The problem I have with this argument (often given by EviLore himself) is that the results we see are relative, not absolute - i.e. it's a ranking.
So if there is such bias "against" Neogaf, it unexplicably happened very recently (more or less over the last year or so), after a handful of years of rapid growth.

I don't think the fact that the stats on GAF's home page have suddenly stopped working around the same time is a coincidence either. He can claim that the site keeps growing all he wants, the fact of the matter is that the posting rate has been on a steep decline for some time.

Google Trends isn't perfect either but it's shown a steady decline since E3 2013.
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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2377 on: October 30, 2016, 10:06:10 AM »
Wasn't that the year Lore turned down Major Nelson's invite to E3 press events?

What a coincidence.

And honestly what a petty childish thing to do in order to appear unbiased.

Edit: nope, it was 2014's e3.
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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2378 on: October 30, 2016, 10:06:41 AM »
The problem I have with this argument (often given by EviLore himself) is that the results we see are relative, not absolute - i.e. it's a ranking.
Which doesn't make them inherently more accurate. Let's assume the most ridiculous case (because I'm lazy) and say that they have two people who visit GAF. One of them stops reading GAF. Does that mean GAF's traffic was cut in half? Probably not.

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2379 on: October 30, 2016, 10:45:17 AM »
The craziest GAF bubble to me is the people that think Gamergate is cared about or even known to people outside of the gaming industry. And even with in it, most people on GAF still don't really understand what it was about or give a shit about it. The idea that they think Joe Rogan, a multi-millionaire comic and fight commentator who lives as far away from people as he can is changing his views and pandering to the slightest sliver of an already extremely niche audience because there is so much money in it is ludicrous.

Joe Rogan is a guy who had never heard of the terms cuck or shitposting until 2016. You really think he's well versed on Gamergate and is going all in on that audience because...he doesn't like Hillary Clinton? The Alt-Right boogeyman is EXACTLY what the liberal boogeyman has been to conservatives for decades. Anything that even remotely doesn't line up with whatever the liberal talking points are this week is automatically alt-right. Even if that makes no sense at all. Which it never does, because no one even has a definition for alt-right. It's just some random buzzword that, if it ever had any meaning, has lost it completely to be some amorphous blanket you can throw over any one and anything that doesn't think exactly like you.

When you're at the point of calling for people to be silenced, doxxed, or even killed because they're "alt-right", you need to realize that you've become the bad guy. If these people had actual lives outside of GAF and games, they'd realize normal people don't go around giving each other purity tests or wondering if what they're doing/watching lines up with their political principles, or even talk about politics at all. Normal people aren't engaged and fully researched on everything they talk about, they don't always agree with everyone around them, they say off color remarks from time to time, and they move on because that's how most people live their lives .

GAF has become a nice safe space where the crazy paranoid go to be comforted. I am fine with that

As for Gamergate, the laughable thing about it is when it first started, people were like who were the leaders? WHO! but there wasn't any leaders. Its just a tag people used to signal boost, troll or get under the skin of the easily offended. The amount of defenders against gamergate who took it seriously enough to fight every single day against it is hilarious.


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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2380 on: October 30, 2016, 11:30:31 AM »
jimmy fellon is al right too now?
he was exposed as an alt-right trump propagandist months ago, literally nobody takes him seriously as a journalist anymore

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2381 on: October 30, 2016, 11:35:52 AM »
I think I've heard someone talk to me about Gamergate ONCE in real life (we both agreed it was pretty silly and then moved on to another topic), and I regularly hang around 'gamer' types, go to gaming related events, etc. Most people don't know what it is nor do they care.
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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2382 on: October 30, 2016, 11:59:49 AM »
nobody cares what these alt-right shitlords have to say, they're nobodies trying to latch onto a fad for money, no one who matters pays attention to them

that's why it's imperative that trash like Jimmy Fallon and Joe Rogan are called out and brought to answer for normalizing hate by having on guests that shouldn't be given any publicity in a modern society

making any kind of exception for these violence mongers signals that tolerance is unwelcome and undermines what should be a open and free democratic society

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2383 on: October 30, 2016, 12:11:14 PM »
jimmy fellon is al right too now?
he was exposed as an alt-right trump propagandist months ago, literally nobody takes him seriously as a journalist anymore

 :lol at the thought of jimmy fallon ever being taken seriously as a journalist

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2384 on: October 30, 2016, 12:25:22 PM »
The problem I have with this argument (often given by EviLore himself) is that the results we see are relative, not absolute - i.e. it's a ranking.
Which doesn't make them inherently more accurate. Let's assume the most ridiculous case (because I'm lazy) and say that they have two people who visit GAF. One of them stops reading GAF. Does that mean GAF's traffic was cut in half? Probably not.

What I mean is, it doesn't really matter if GAF isn't actually the #2,000 or whatever website in the world. The point is that its ranking has dropped, so unless for some unexplainable reason other sites have seen a lot more traffic increase in the past 1y+ OR there has been a sudden shift in the number of people using the Alexa thing and visiting GAF vs other sites, then the site isn't growing like EviLore says.

Considering the sudden lack of onsite stats (who's online etc), the fact that the frequency of bans has increased exponentially over the past couple of years, and that somehow new memberships approvals is extremely more frequent these days, I'm gonna guess that the downward trajectory shown by Alexa (and apparently other sites) isn't off the mark. The whole dodgy ads shenanigans that's been going on for a few months isn't exactly a good sign either.


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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2386 on: October 30, 2016, 01:09:48 PM »
I think I've heard someone talk to me about Gamergate ONCE in real life (we both agreed it was pretty silly and then moved on to another topic), and I regularly hang around 'gamer' types, go to gaming related events, etc. Most people don't know what it is nor do they care.

Gamergate ended somewhere around September or October 2014.  Now GAF just likes to use it as an Emmanuel Goldstein like group that is everywhere and anywhere and influences everything they just so happen to not like.
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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2387 on: October 30, 2016, 01:10:00 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=222149259&postcount=293

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I actually think that science (or more accurately, a belief in science) is itself a form of religion. It simply has a different set of principles it reveres above all others. Regardless of how we involve ourselves with science, it too is a very human process. A process of indoctrinating a public with its ideology, of ensuring people understand its rhetoric and conceptualization of the world. The heliocentric theory of the world, in spite of it being incorrect, was still very accurate and widely accepted for a long period of time. It, for a long period of time, was the science of the world. Because for the time, it was the method of understanding and explaining the world - and how we understand and explain the world, is always (well, hopefully always) in flux. Traditional religions, after all, are also seeking the truth, but how they access it is different from how science accesses it. Neither is better than the other, they are just different, and both can lead us to very good, positive, real things (nursing, vaccines), or bad, horrible and dangerous things (nukes, crusades).

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2388 on: October 30, 2016, 01:17:00 PM »
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I actually think that science (or more accurately, a belief in science) is itself a form of religion


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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2389 on: October 30, 2016, 01:49:30 PM »
As for Gamergate, the laughable thing about it is when it first started, people were like who were the leaders? WHO! but there wasn't any leaders. Its just a tag people used to signal boost, troll or get under the skin of the easily offended. The amount of defenders against gamergate who took it seriously enough to fight every single day against it is hilarious.

Let's not act like gamergate-tards didn't take that shit way too seriously either. Hell, it started with them taking shit waaaaaay too seriously.

Evidence: http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=43652.0

TLDR; lol

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2390 on: October 30, 2016, 02:00:06 PM »
GAF, the easily outraged society of SJW video game nerds isn't dying.

But, GAF the "business" is.

  • everyone is ad blocking
  • the site is ancient, outdated and completely insecure
  • the mobile site is a poorly optimized user hobby project
  • NeoGAF is spreading malware
  • the site was recently hacked
  • Facebook and Twitter integration was added 5 years too late, is barely used, and slows the site down considerably
  • almost every game developer avoids the place like the plague
  • the owner doesn't give a flying fuck about his user base or even the primary subject matter of his site

If you want to run a successful internet business, you can't rest on your laurels. Malka should have been building his business and brand over the last few years, instead of backpacking across Europe, climbing mountains and shaking hands with Obama.

I just don't see how NeoGAF is sustainable for much longer, if (according to Malka) the user base and traffic are increasing, but ad blocking is also increasing (at an alarming rate).

If things continue down this path, and Tyler doesn't have some plan of action / big change for the site, I could see it shutting down (or getting sold) within a couple of years.
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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2391 on: October 30, 2016, 02:01:59 PM »
Malka should have been building his business and brand over the last few years, instead of backpacking across Europe, climbing mountains and shaking hands with Obama.

Can't say he made the wrong decision :yeshrug

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2392 on: October 30, 2016, 02:02:47 PM »
I still dont really understand what pushed magus so far over the deep end

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2393 on: October 30, 2016, 02:03:41 PM »
I still dont really understand what pushed magus so far over the deep end

Don't mess with another man's supply of pantsu.


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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2394 on: October 30, 2016, 02:11:09 PM »
I still dont really understand what pushed magus so far over the deep end

Don't mess with another man's supply of pantsu.

Actually it's about ethics in waifus.

Momo

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2395 on: October 30, 2016, 02:12:25 PM »


I still dont really understand what pushed magus so far over the deep end


Aren't you the guy who followed him because we were being too mean?  :doge
yeah i had real life stuff to do and i thought it would be more hilarious if I left satirizing magus, evidently I failed because you fucks believed that crap :doge  I dont think I read more than a single post in that thread tbh

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2396 on: October 30, 2016, 02:13:43 PM »
end of the day, lore still has a largely self sustaining business that his employees work for free on. the direction it has taken lends itself even more to that as the community is almost self policing at this point and advertiser unfriendly salaciousness is naturally weeded out.

he doesn't have to work hard and enjoys an easy life of the back of it. he won't be big pimping but probably has a decent nest egg left over from the glory days and will get a few quid when he sells it off.

it's not going to be an influential industry powerhouse, and if he takes personal pride in it and wants to become some tech mogul it's not going end well; but if he just wants the good life free of all the bollocks 99% of working stiffs have to deal with, it's not a bad result all told.

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2397 on: October 30, 2016, 02:16:15 PM »
I don't think GAF is dying per say, but I also don't believe it is growing nearly as well as Lore claims it is. There's a reason 'Lore went crazy with the ads recently and approving new members more often. Besides the fact that GAF has a negative reputation outside its bubble, it is now gaining a reputation of having malware-ridden ads.

With the popularity of adblock, and GAF rapidly gaining reputation of having dangerous ads, I see Lore's ad revenue situation getting worse and worse.

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2398 on: October 30, 2016, 02:22:23 PM »
Lore isnt far off introducing sponsored posts (lol), email marketing, co-registration and finally paid membership in the form of private member-only sub forums. I'm honestly surprised he hasnt jumped on any of these yet.

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Re: Safe-space hugbox thread [no alt-right allowed]
« Reply #2399 on: October 30, 2016, 02:29:56 PM »
end of the day, lore still has a largely self sustaining business that his employees work for free on. the direction it has taken lends itself even more to that as the community is almost self policing at this point and advertiser unfriendly salaciousness is naturally weeded out.

he doesn't have to work hard and enjoys an easy life of the back of it. he won't be big pimping but probably has a decent nest egg left over from the glory days and will get a few quid when he sells it off.

not a bad result all told.

I suppose.

But, with a bit of elbow grease, reinvestment of profits, and just an ounce of foresight, he could be Pewdiepie rich (or richer).

Let's look at it this way: NeoGAF is one of the biggest video game forums on the web. It was in the top 1000 websites in the world (according to Alexa rank). It has (had?) hundreds of millions of hits a month.

And yet, there is no official NeoGAF YouTube channel, no official NeoGAF Twitch channel, the NeoGAF twitter account only has 8,000 followers and tweets about 3 times per year, and the NeoGAF Facebook account has less than 900 likes (and is growing at the pace of a local senior knitting group page).

Kind of pisses me off just thinking about it, to be honest.
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