VOAT Containment Megathread of Trash People for Trash People

[Himu]

The same people who lose their shit over Cindy and Quiet probably jacked off over Witcher female characters whose entire existence is for titillation.

I mean, sure. But look at how Triss or (forgetting her name) the white-haired side-character in the Witcher 3 dresses. Then compare to some Japanese games out with default outfits. Key example: The latest Tales.

Dead or Alive's lost me given how many skimpy outfits they give the girls with no practicals or even skimpy outfits for the men (though they seem to be trying to be better on that? IDK, haven't fully checked). It's what brings in teenage boys, but makes me side-eye fierce.

Also Ashe has a short skirt. Remember that promo image of her in front of an army where you see a slight trace of ass-crack? Still a decent outfit for a desert princess, but that was my only objection: Skirt's too damn small.

Fan service is a problem these days no matter the coast. I personally blame Mass Effect.

[Himu]

I sure haven't. I have played 1 and some of 2. I have 3 but haven't played it yet. I'm not sure what this has to do with the fact that you would collect cards of women you've fucked. I'm pretty positive this was an entire quest line?

Are you familiar at all with the history of the series?

Bringing up Witcher 3 as evidence The Witcher franchise does not use female characters for titillation is pretty cute and shows how little exposure you have had to the franchise as a whole. Notice I did not write The Witcher 3. I wrote The Witcher.

[thisismyusername]

I sure haven't. I have played 1 and some of 2. I have 3 but haven't played it yet. I'm not sure what this has to do with the fact that you would collect cards of women you've fucked. I'm pretty positive this was an entire quest line?

Are you familiar at all with the history of the series?

Bringing up Witcher 3 as evidence The Witcher franchise does not use female characters for titillation is pretty cute and shows how little exposure you have had to the franchise as a whole. Notice I did not write The Witcher 3. I wrote The Witcher.

I brought up the Witcher 3 for the latest, but even in the Witcher 1-2 their outfits aren't really meant for sex. The whole sex thing is because Geralt is sterile and a womanizer in the books. You could completely roleplay him as an (before today anyway ) Atramental, if you wanted and the girls wouldn't lose their outfits.

[Himu]

I sure haven't. I have played 1 and some of 2. I have 3 but haven't played it yet. I'm not sure what this has to do with the fact that you would collect cards of women you've fucked. I'm pretty positive this was an entire quest line?

Are you familiar at all with the history of the series?

Bringing up Witcher 3 as evidence The Witcher franchise does not use female characters for titillation is pretty cute and shows how little exposure you have had to the franchise as a whole. Notice I did not write The Witcher 3. I wrote The Witcher.

I brought up the Witcher 3 for the latest, but even in the Witcher 1-2 their outfits aren't really meant for sex. The whole sex thing is because Geralt is sterile and a womanizer in the books. You could completely roleplay him as an (before today anyway ) Atramental, if you wanted and the girls wouldn't lose their outfits.

The issue with characters like Cindy and Quiet is that it's more than their outfits. For instance Quiet showers in front of the entire squad and it's just as a scene.

I don't have a problem with characters like Paz getting getting bombs stuffed into them. The problem is when the character exists for weird sexual stuff. If you're going to have characters sexual at least dress it up for a reasonable purpose beyond "she breathes through her skin!"

Ultimately, there's more important things to discuss and fight but none of this takes away from video games being fucking embarassing TBH and do nothing to change their perception. Outside of lack of time and interest, it's why I play games less and less. Rather than complaining  about something that will never change it's much easier to give up on the medium and just play less games.

[Rufus]

^ Don't forget the cringey presenting in the helicopter. Ostensibly she's stretching and whatnot, but really...


The first Witcher had the most unnecessary sexualization in the series with the random lays and the trading cards you get for them. That is a 'homage' to the books, yes, but it doesn't really excuse the juvenile implementation.

The other two have gratuitous nudity and somen sex scenes, but they're no worse than what you can see in HBO shows.

[Rufus]

Had to be done.

[Himu]

The first Witcher had the most unnecessary sexualization with the random lays and the trading cards you get for them. That is a 'homage' to the books, yes, but it doesn't really excuse the juvenile implementation.

The other two have gratuitous nudity and somen sex scenes, but they're no worse than what you can see in HBO shows.

Sex for no reason is one of the most annoying things about HBO. It feels juvenile after a while. I remember when they had Oberynn Martell on the show, one of the best characters in the books with amazing detail on the world and other characters (like the story that he and his sister went to see tyrion after he was born and Cersei tried to twist his penis off and they thought she was crazy). Then on the show we get "Oberynn is BI, everyone! He fucks men AND women!" Zero characterization in place of abject promiscuity in brothel scene after brothel scene. Sex scenes are cool, but when the sexuality exists purely for controversy and "look at the sex that's being had here!" that's when I tune them out.

Haven't watched Game of Thrones in 2-3 seasons because of it and I'm absolutely anticipating having my eyes roll permenantly whenever I play Witcher 3. I should play Life Is Strange before I step inside eye roll country just to clean my palette.

[Himu]

Even then I'm anticipating Mass Effect esque "choose the waifu" thing. After months of "I can't decide who I want to fuck " I'm fully expecting it.

As much as I think Saints Row 4 is a bad SR game the whole mocking of date storylines in video games is hilariously on the dot.

[Rufus]

There's only like one girl who fits the description of "sex for no reason" in witcher 3, and it's her distracting you so she can do something else if I remember correctly.

Keira? Yeah, she bones Geralt to steal plague research notes (to ingratiate herself to King Radovid), but we as players were still treated to a sex scene. I didn't mind it at all. The way that quest alone plays out beats anything Bioware's ever put out in both set-up, tone and animation quality.

The first Witcher had the most unnecessary sexualization with the random lays and the trading cards you get for them. That is a 'homage' to the books, yes, but it doesn't really excuse the juvenile implementation.

The other two have gratuitous nudity and somen sex scenes, but they're no worse than what you can see in HBO shows.

Sex for no reason is one of the most annoying things about HBO. It feels juvenile after a while. I remember when they had Oberynn Martell on the show, one of the best characters in the books with amazing detail on the world and other characters (like the story that he and his sister went to see tyrion after he was born and Cersei tried to twist his penis off and they thought she was crazy). Then on the show we get "Oberynn is BI, everyone! He fucks men AND women!" Zero characterization in place of abject promiscuity in brothel scene after brothel scene. Sex scenes are cool, but when the sexuality exists purely for controversy and "look at the sex that's being had here!" that's when I tune them out.

Haven't watched Game of Thrones in 2-3 seasons because of it and I'm absolutely anticipating having my eyes roll permenany whenever I play Witcher 3. I should play Life Is Strange before I step inside eye roll country just to clean my palette.

Ha. I haven't watched GoT past the Dothraki wedding because of how shit that was, but that actually sounds worse than what Witcher 2 and 3 do.

[Himu]

I think Xenogears is the only video game I've played with a good, mature sex scene.

This is a game with mechs and people put on crosses with Evangelion like try hardness.

The Witcher 3 hopefully changes that. 2's opening wasn't bad.

[Himu]

Xenogears' was surprisingly well done for a game with a talking pink furball in it and blocky pixels. Probably still hasn't been topped.

[Rufus]

Witcher 3's bonking is in the "solid genre-fiction" area. Some pandering (optional threesome), but good otherwise. It's meaningfully woven into people's relationships.

In the first, you're literally filling a deck with random women you meet. Just look at this list:
http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Romance_Cards (They called them Romance Cards, ffs )

Triss and Shani are the only meaningful relationships. The others are just there to be there.

[Boredfrom]

He's completely right, though. Half those outfits most of those girls wouldn't be caught dead wearing outside the bedroom. I'd rather have practical outfits than sexy fanservice that does nothing for the character, personally.

I would prefer having both.

[Shuri]

My entire experience with Quiet in msg5 made me feel like I was hanging out with a mentally challenged person with a quack for sniping. Her entire concept was weird as hell, no wonder they locked Kojima alone in a room when they saw the design docs for her.

[Great Rumbler]

The Witcher series has definitely come a long way since Witcher 1 in how it treats its female characters. Even Witcher 2 wasn't too bad, but Witcher 3 improves on that aspect even more.

[Dennis]

The sex collection cards in the first Witcher were great. It is a fantasy game about being a badass with a sword and bedding hot chicks.

Pure unadulterated European we-don't-give-a-fuck-this-is-awesome

Y'all just a bunch of repressed Ameri-SJWs.

[Himu]

Trust me, there's nothing repressed about me sexually.

I'm not anti sex especially in media but Witcher 1 was really tacky, sorry.

[Rufus]

Your 4k is showing.

I only read the two short story collections and the first novel, but he doesn't even fuck around as much in those, Sword & Sorcery tropes notwithstanding. Pretty sure they just make mention of how the Witcher's sterility and immunity to diseases allows for wanton sexcapades, which the author then foregos in detailing. If the later books prove me wrong then so be it, I guess.

It was silly (though not atypical) for the video game adaptation to turn it into a collectathon with trading card trophies of all things. The closest equivalent to a wall of polaroids they could find.

[bork]

Totally on point.  Male characters in Resident Evil are always treated so seriously and never get ridiculous outfits.  Ever.

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[close]

The Japanese gaming industry will disappear before fanservice will.

Has it? I know they're not rolling in money, but there seems to be a steady stream of new stuff.

There is, but I remember seeing  a chart/hearing on a podcast that had 'moe anime' at like a huge majority of all anime releasing the past two years and it was at a record high or something.

The otaku types are the ones who are willing to shell out money for the ridiculously-priced DVDs and merchandise, which is why the market caters so heavily towards them.

[Jansen]

Once upon a time Final Fantasy had female characters like Yuna and Ashe. XV is a regression in female characters 100%.

Usually this would annoy me, but from an outsider perspective the game is about road tripping with the bros right? Not sure a well-written, prominent female character would fit the story. (Nor would a shoehorned love interest, for the record.)

im at the end of the game and it wouldn't make any difference given how poorly the characters and story is fleshed out

[thisismyusername]

But there is more than "The Last Wish" for the books. There's like 6 other books.

[Joe Molotov]

Was Y2Kev always so uptight?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?s=ba162aa5be8a7e6f4811b63cee3f55e3&p=227134431&postcount=219

Also I am considering people that are like "FUK THE HATERS I <3 CINDY" to be trolls and they will be dealt with accordingly. If you can't explain why you like the design, just don't post.

[Jansen]

don't blame kev there given how obnoxiously some of the ff15 defenders have been. i seriously saw someone defend the dumbass bullshit of being able to damage your team mates with magic!

[Jansen]

current gaf is breaking the spirits of many a long time member.

[thisismyusername]

don't blame kev there given how obnoxiously some of the ff15 defenders have been. i seriously saw someone defend the dumbass bullshit of being able to damage your team mates with magic!

Eh, Friendly Fire should always be an option if it's been properly coded/designed for. Being able to turn it on and have to check your fire is kinda nice, even if the AI sometimes fucks you over.

As for Kev, he used to be good until he became a mod. Then he was whatever, and then became insufferable with "YASS QUEEN" this election.

[daemon]

don't blame kev there given how obnoxiously some of the ff15 defenders have been. i seriously saw someone defend the dumbass bullshit of being able to damage your team mates with magic!

Specially when you have literally no way (or at least a way that i know off) for them to retreat from combat.

As for Kev, he used to be good until he became a mod. Then he was whatever, and then became insufferable with "YASS QUEEN" this election.

Gold medal for avatar change speed tho.

[Himu]

There are skills you can use to pull the party back so you get some space and use a spell. That said, friendly fire should be optional.

[counterhit]

Y2Kev was a pretty cool mod but he's been getting really reactionary on anything annoying on the site.

 His posts have been reading like a completely different person.

Agreed, but Trump winning broke people.

Also Crossing Eden lol

[I'm a Puppy!]

Isn't Quiet based on some streamer that Kojima has a crush on? that makes her design like 10x worse.

[Momo]

Isn't Quiet based on some streamer that Kojima has a crush on? that makes her design like 10x worse.

She's a model who sometimes streams MGS, but yes

[VomKriege]

At last a gaffer reacting to yet another "fake news" thread filled with MGS2 circlejerk

You guys do know that using propaganda to disrupt social stability, credible information, and a nudge for governmental upheaval (even in the modern age) predates Hideo Kojima games, right? Idiocracy was no scrying pool either.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=227156649&postcount=64

The amount of noise you have to sift through in historic sources is astronomical, regardles of era. The tools to sift through remain the same, so its not like its becoming harder to identify bullshit from genuine worthwhile sources.
If anything, the acceleration of content is helping in determining fakes.

The real problem is confirmation bias.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=227163219&postcount=84

 

Meanwhile, PantherLotus is a mess :

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=227161234&postcount=16

 
Underlining a country name in Paint.
Such perspective, much geopolitical thesis.
Doesn't stop him from ridiculing other people's opinion too !

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=227161770&postcount=41

Hey everyone hosannainexcelsis's analysis concludes that Russia is not interested in attacking Turkey at the moment

And freaking out like a bitch

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=227161940&postcount=49

[VomKriege]

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=227167618

Why the fuck are those spoilers allowed or being posted here? Stop it, even if you're tagging them! Also, WHY are people reading them to begin with?

[Coax]

Isn't Quiet based on some streamer that Kojima has a crush on? that makes her design like 10x worse.

She's a model who sometimes streams MGS, but yes

She attended an audition for a part in the game via her agency and landed the role, only beginning streaming every so often following MGSV, and most of it was of MGSV. So it's hardly like that.

[VomKriege]

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=227168239



http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=227168594

Breaking news : Army choir part of patriotic propaganda.

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=227159071

PoliGAF is seriously discussing organized migration of liberal voters to red states
They've really given up on engaging and convincing voters from the other side.

[thisismyusername]

Isn't Quiet based on some streamer that Kojima has a crush on? that makes her design like 10x worse.

She's a model. She does some streaming now and then, but in Japan she is a huge (well, maybe not HUGE huge but still getting work) model. IIRC she played the infamous introduction of her character and the tits and ass camera angles even surprised her.

[Rufus]

The frustrated film maker accusations aren't undeserved, but he's no David Cage. Kojima actually makes fun games.

[thisismyusername]

Why do people think Kojima is some kind of a Miyamoto-level genius when he's responsible for Quiet.

Because MGS1 and 3 are classics and I won't hear otherwise, you tremendous figgert.

[WanderingWind]

Why do people think Kojima is some kind of a Miyamoto-level genius when he's responsible for Quiet.

Because MGS1 and 3  are classics and I won't hear otherwise, you tremendous figgert.

That's a one hot game every ten year average. That's so lame.

[helios]

The Boss 

MGS4 

MGS5's "story" 

MGS5's gameplay 

[thisismyusername]

Why do people think Kojima is some kind of a Miyamoto-level genius when he's responsible for Quiet.

Because MGS1 and 3  are classics and I won't hear otherwise, you tremendous figgert.

That's a one hot game every ten year average. That's so lame.

Good things come to those who wait.

Ground Zeroes shows Phantom Pain would've been amazing if the whole Konami fiasco never happened. Quiet aside, it's a very solid outing and I feel Kojima would've nailed the story (shit ending being rewritten maybe) if Skullface wasn't quickly written away to try to have a second half before Konami rushed it.

[Boredfrom]

Yeah, if anything, the fact that MGSV is so polished gameplay wise proves that he is not Just a frustrated filmmaker wannabe

[Himu]

Why do people think Kojima is some kind of a Miyamoto-level genius when he's responsible for Quiet.

you have never played mgs1-3 shut the fuck up

[Himu]

Why do people think Kojima is some kind of a Miyamoto-level genius when he's responsible for Quiet.

Because MGS1 and 3  are classics and I won't hear otherwise, you tremendous figgert.

That's a one hot game every ten year average. That's so lame.

MG1, MG2, Snatcher, Policenauts, MGS1, VR Missions, MGS2, MGS2S, MGS3, MGS3S, Boktai, were all pretty fucking sweet. MGS5 and GZ were dope as well despite the what the fuck. Dude makes good games. The only bad game he has ever been involved in was MGS4.

I dare you to play MG2: Solid Snake and not realize how ahead of its time that game was.

[Himu]

Why do people think Kojima is some kind of a Miyamoto-level genius when he's responsible for Quiet.

you have never played mgs1-3 shut the fuck up

well I tried to play mgs 2 but got so bored so quickly I gave up

You played MGS2 without ever playing MGS1. Play MGS1 and beat it. Not some Ntarded Twin Snakes version either. Play the original MGS1 then come back. Do it for your own sake.

[Rahxephon91]

Metal Gear Solid V is not a good game. Kojima hasn't made a good game in years and his writing has devolved and gotten pervy before even 5.

[thisismyusername]

In other news:

Stump firefighting "Comfy Couch" troll thread instead of just banning OP, when it's been been proven he's made the same troll thread in the past.

I'm for lax moderation, but Stump should do the same thing he did with the mobile fanboy: Threaten a ban if OP makes another troll thread like this.

(Majority of that thread is basically "WTF, just plugin an HDMI cable you dingus." So it's not like most of GAF is completely clueless.)

[D3RANG3D]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=227169373&postcount=529

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=227165556&postcount=339

[Shuri]

Why do people think Kojima is some kind of a Miyamoto-level genius when he's responsible for Quiet.

Because MGS1 and 3  are classics and I won't hear otherwise, you tremendous figgert.

That's a one hot game every ten year average. That's so lame.

MG1, MG2, Snatcher, Policenauts, MGS1, VR Missions, MGS2, MGS2S, MGS3, MGS3S, Boktai, were all pretty fucking sweet. MGS5 and GZ were dope as well despite the what the fuck. Dude makes good games. The only bad game he has ever been involved in was MGS4.

I dare you to play MG2: Solid Snake and not realize how ahead of its time that game was.

MG1 felt so hardcore and advanced when it came out on the NES. I remember being impressed at how "deep" and "realistic" it felt.

[Himu]

You guys realize Kojima had a co-writer in Fukushima who left after MGS3 right? Pretty sure Fukushima directed and wrote Ghost Babel. Seems Fukushima reined in Kojima.

[thisismyusername]

Metal Gear Solid V is not a good game.

See, this is why no woman will touch you.

[helios]

MGS3 has the best story, but that might be because of that other dude and not because of Kojima. We'll see how Death Stranding goes.

[nachobro]

well I tried to play mgs 2 but got so bored so quickly I gave up

Metal Gear Solid V is not a good game.

you are both distinguished mentally-challenged

[helios]

Also MGSV is good gameplay with very, very repetitive design. I don't give a fuck about story, but the game itself is way too long while somehow being unfinished in a lot of areas.

I hated the repetitiveness of it. Go here, kill/kidnap someone or destroy something and then leave. That's mostly it.

MGS3 has the best story, but that might be because of that other dude and not because of Kojima. We'll see how Death Stranding goes.

I'm fully expecting Death Stranding to go so crazy it loses most people. This is Kojima with more free reign, and his collaborator is fucking Del Toro of all people(another guy who needs to be reigned in a bit if you ask me).

That's if it ever actually comes out.

Del Toro doesn't get too crazy with stuff like Kojima does. Kojima had robots that dropped massive shits in MGS4. Del Toro's Jaegers kept their shit safe inside of the cockpits.

[VomKriege]

MGS2 kind of sucked, IMO.

Nah. It was great game where like 90% of the people who hate is because "wahwah why do I have to play as Raiden??"

Shit is dope.

Don't think Raiden has anything to do with it, game is a slog, story is needlessly confusing, characters & boss are all pretty meh, the main location is boring. It doesn't have the pop appeal of the episode before and the following one.

Anyway

FFXV > MGS3 > MGS1 > FFVII > MGS2 > MGS4

[Rahxephon91]

well I tried to play mgs 2 but got so bored so quickly I gave up

Metal Gear Solid V is not a good game.

you are both distinguished mentally-challenged

Yeah thinking one of the most repetitive games complete with tedious time wasting traversal, management, and lazy mission design and a lack of MGS's positives is bad means you're distinguished mentally-challenged.

The game was garbage. Deal with it. It being incomplete doesn't change that.

[Himu]

mgs2 has VR missions and dogtags

Eff haters

[nachobro]

2>4>5>1>3

Revengeance also gdlk but it's too different from the others to put in the ranking

[FreeNudeLyleLanley]

MGS 5 was fun. Incredibly stupid but fun.

[helios]

3=1>2>>>5>>>>>>>>>4

[Himu]

Metal Gear for me is separated into faves and what I consider the best.

MGS1 is my favorite due to its setting, the fact it has the best enemies in the series, the storyline, and voice acting. It has MG cheese and silliness but is done in the best manner possible. On the other hand certain elements of it have aged such as the shooting and some of the boss fights were better represented in future games. But it's by far my favorite.

I think Metal Gear Solid 2 Substance (not original) is the best game in the series. The inclusion of features European Extreme, all the new modes, dog tags, VR missions, add a dynamic to the game that made it the most replayable in the series for me. It has the hardcore MGS gameplay without feeling slow like MGS3. It strikes a perfect balance in terms of gameplay for me and its main flaw is that the story, setting, and enemies aren't the best. But that gameplay.

On the other hand MGS3 is superb, especially Subsistence. It'd probably be what I consider the best of it weren't so slow. Always scouting for enemies, the lack of radar, healing yourself, the camo stuff. I think objectively it has the best gameplay in the series but I don't find it the funnest to play, if that makes any sense? The bosses not having back stories takes this game down a notch too but it has the best overall story in a MG game so it has that going for it. The End is my favorite boss fight of all time. If it had VR missions I think it'd be the best MG game but it doesn't. Fuck MGO!

MGS2S > MGS3S > MGS3 > MGS1 > MGS2 > MG2 > GZ> GB > Twin Snakes > MGSV > MG1 > MGS4