VOAT Containment Megathread of Trash People for Trash People

[benjipwns]

the bolding

Guardian: Democrats once represented the working class. Not any more - Robert Reich

Democrats have occupied the White House for 16 of the last 24 years, and for four of those years had control of both houses of Congress. But in that time they failed to reverse the decline in working-class wages and economic security. Both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama ardently pushed for free trade agreements without providing millions of blue-collar workers who thereby lost their jobs means of getting new ones that paid at least as well.

They stood by as corporations hammered trade unions, the backbone of the white working class – failing to reform labor laws to impose meaningful penalties on companies that violate them, or help workers form unions with simple up-or-down votes. Partly as a result, union membership sank from 22% of all workers when Bill Clinton was elected president to less than 12% today, and the working class lost bargaining leverage to get a share of the economy’s gains.

Bill Clinton and Obama also allowed antitrust enforcement to ossify – with the result that large corporations have grown far larger, and major industries more concentrated. The unsurprising result of this combination – more trade, declining unionization and more industry concentration – has been to shift political and economic power to big corporations and the wealthy, and to shaft the working class. This created an opening for Donald Trump’s authoritarian demagoguery, and his presidency.

Now Americans have rebelled by supporting someone who wants to fortify America against foreigners as well as foreign-made goods. The power structure understandably fears that Trump’s isolationism will stymie economic growth. But most Americans couldn’t care less about growth because for years they have received few of its benefits, while suffering most of its burdens in the forms of lost jobs and lower wages.

You might say, well what about non-white working class? Non-white people already have longtime political affiliation with the Democratic party. They might be more informed about politics than white people, who don't have to worry as much when their rights and existence isn't in danger as frequently.

Until we have a focus on improving conditions for the working class, of which many are white women who affect the vote, Trump will get re-elected in 4 years.

Hold on. The thing is, Clinton did have plans to help the working class!

The Atlantic: The Dangerous Myth That Hillary Clinton Ignored the Working Class - Derek Thompson

Hillary Clinton talked about the working class, middle class jobs, and the dignity of work constantly. And she still lost.

She detailed plans to help coal miners and steel workers. She had decades of ideas to help parents, particularly working moms, and their children. She had plans to help young men who were getting out of prison and old men who were getting into new careers. She talked about the dignity of manufacturing jobs, the promise of clean-energy jobs, and the Obama administration’s record of creating private-sector jobs for a record-breaking number of consecutive months. She said the word “job” more in the Democratic National Convention speech than Trump did in the RNC acceptance speech; she mentioned the word  “jobs” more during the first presidential debate than Trump did. She offered the most comprehensively progressive economic platform of any presidential candidate in history—one specifically tailored to an economy powered by an educated workforce.

What’s more, the evidence that Clinton lost because of the nation’s economic disenchantment is extremely mixed. Some economists found that Trump won in counties affected by trade with China. But among the 52 percent of voters who said economics was the most important issue in the election, Clinton beat Trump by double digits. In the vast majority of swing states, voters said they preferred Clinton on the economy. If the 2016 election had come down to economics exclusively, the working class—which, by any reasonable definition, includes the black, Hispanic, and Asian working classes, too—would have elected Hillary Clinton president.

If the white working class wants a better future, they might have to be sold on pluralist social democracy that will HAVE to help non-white people too:

But any reasonable working-class platform requires the advancement of policies that may disproportionately help non-whites. For example, hundreds of thousands of black men stay out of the labor force after being released from prison sentences for non-violent crimes. For them and their families, criminal justice reform is essential economic reform, even if poor whites see it as a distraction from that “real” issues that bedevil the working class, like trade policy.

The long-term future of the U.S. involves rising diversity, rising inequality, and rising redistribution. The combination of these forces makes for an unstable and unpredictable system. Income stagnation and inequality encourage policies to redistribute wealth from a rich few to the anxious multitudes. But when that multitude includes minorities who are seen as benefiting disproportionately from those redistribution policies, the white majority can turn resentful. (This may be one reason why the most successful social democracies, as in Scandinavia, were initially almost all white.) Nobody has really figured out how to be an effective messenger for pluralist social democracy, except, perhaps, for one of the few American adults who is legally barred from running for the U.S. presidency in the future.

[benjipwns]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=228953011#post228953011
i didn't get a tutt-tutt from modbot for my bump of the trump thread :'(

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me all spittin on FDR's grave two years ago

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[Raist]

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That shower. wtfisthis.gif

Handheld shower-head. It's readily apparent. Those are also great to making sure you hit all the areas of your body.

I'm talking about the fact that the shower is the bathroom. Or vice versa.

Look at the floor.

[FreeNudeLyleLanley]

The women's march was the largest protest in US history.

Not exactly a sterling example of the left tearing itself apart, as much as insincere OPs and shitposters would have you believe.

But a poor nazi was punched!

Arguably the only good thing the left has done in a long time.

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That shower. wtfisthis.gif

Handheld shower-head. It's readily apparent. Those are also great to making sure you hit all the areas of your body.

I'm talking about the fact that the shower is the bathroom. Or vice versa.

Look at the floor.

What about it?  Looks like the same tile used throughout and the shower area and sink area are separated by a glass door.

[zepblackstar]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=228944851&postcount=1

This motherfucker here is a walking pile of trash.

I've been reading that thread all day, and it really damn entertaining and also depressing at the same time. Entertaining watching GAF tearing itself apart and depressing how the left is eating itself alive.

750,000 people together in a small place and there was no tension, no contentiousness, just cooperation.  They expected 70k.  When the speeches finished and it was time for the march to begin, we couldn't even take a step because the street was packed with people, elbow to elbow, from Pershing Square all the way to City Hall.  There was nowhere to march.  And without being told what to do, it got figured out.  The crowd divided itself and shifted over to the parallel streets.  No pushing or shoving.  Hundreds of thousands of people behaving like adults.  No mods help.  That's how the entire day went.  And there thousands of people representing BLM with chants and signs.  Nobody was ignored or disregarded. 

 

That makes me feel really good. 

http://www.theroot.com/woman-in-viral-photo-from-women-s-march-to-white-female-1791524613

 

[benjipwns]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=228963115&postcount=67

Maybe I'm missing the joke but is this dude seriously unaware of the Congressional Record?

If it's a joke he's been doing it for a while.  The guy is "pushing 40" yet has a no understanding of the most basic civics.  He's been constantly asking shit like "Why can't Obama stop Trump," and other questions you would expect from a uninformed 14-year-old.

He's not the only one, in that same thread:

People not realizing what Trump did, he put all these nominees out late so they don't have to go through everything and they can blame the Dems for stonewalling. The Dems don't want to get get blame so Trump's nominees are pushed through faster than ever skipping the ethics committee.

This fucker Trump....

He mentioned names, but he didn't officially nominate them until it was too late to put them through ethics checks.

That blasted Trump! Waiting until he was actually President to appoint people! The tyrant fucker!

"Too late" like Congress can't stonewall a nominee into oblivion if it wants.

[nachobro]

seeing gaf actually paying attention for once and getting mad at trump for things every president does is hilarious. seeing it from people who are self proclaimed political experts is even funnier

that national patriotism day thread was a perfect example. lots of tantrums then "oh wait, nevermind" as it was immediately locked.

[nachobro]

wrong thread

[benjipwns]

My favorite is still the thread about Voice of America/Radio Free Europe. TRUMP IS SETTING UP GLOBAL BROADCASTERS TO PUSH HIS OWN PROPAGANDA!!!!

[zepblackstar]

My favorite is still the thread about Voice of America/Radio Free Europe. TRUMP IS SETTING UP GLOBAL BROADCASTERS TO PUSH HIS OWN PROPAGANDA!!!!

for longer that he has been alive?   

[zomgee]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=228944851&postcount=1

This motherfucker here is a walking pile of trash.

I've been reading that thread all day, and it really damn entertaining and also depressing at the same time. Entertaining watching GAF tearing itself apart and depressing how the left is eating itself alive.

750,000 people together in a small place and there was no tension, no contentiousness, just cooperation.  They expected 70k.  When the speeches finished and it was time for the march to begin, we couldn't even take a step because the street was packed with people, elbow to elbow, from Pershing Square all the way to City Hall.  There was nowhere to march.  And without being told what to do, it got figured out.  The crowd divided itself and shifted over to the parallel streets.  No pushing or shoving.  Hundreds of thousands of people behaving like adults.  No mods help.  That's how the entire day went.  And there thousands of people representing BLM with chants and signs.  Nobody was ignored or disregarded. 

 

That makes me feel really good. 

http://www.theroot.com/woman-in-viral-photo-from-women-s-march-to-white-female-1791524613

 

This makes me feel really worse for a lot of reasons.

[benjipwns]

It proves he was right when he said he could work together with the CIA.

[Nola]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=228944851&postcount=1

This motherfucker here is a walking pile of trash.

I've been reading that thread all day, and it really damn entertaining and also depressing at the same time. Entertaining watching GAF tearing itself apart and depressing how the left is eating itself alive.

750,000 people together in a small place and there was no tension, no contentiousness, just cooperation.  They expected 70k.  When the speeches finished and it was time for the march to begin, we couldn't even take a step because the street was packed with people, elbow to elbow, from Pershing Square all the way to City Hall.  There was nowhere to march.  And without being told what to do, it got figured out.  The crowd divided itself and shifted over to the parallel streets.  No pushing or shoving.  Hundreds of thousands of people behaving like adults.  No mods help.  That's how the entire day went.  And there thousands of people representing BLM with chants and signs.  Nobody was ignored or disregarded. 

 

That makes me feel really good. 

http://www.theroot.com/woman-in-viral-photo-from-women-s-march-to-white-female-1791524613

 

Honestly, that thread when contrasted with the march Saturday just goes to show me how disconnected a lot of GAF is from the rest of the country.

GAF is like if you put 20 Angela People's in a forum(much less intelligent Angela Peoples), gave their views preferential treatment, and then tried to assess the state of the liberal movement by reading the forum.

Not that I have anything against Peoples or her views in that piece, but it is a somewhat presumptive view at times that leans too heavily on broadbrushing and guilt by association. Which is pretty much the only way many Gaffers know how to operate in charged topics.

[benjipwns]

Honestly, that thread when contrasted with the march Saturday just goes to show me how disconnected a lot of GAF is from the rest of the country.

GAF is like if you put 20 Angela People's in a forum(much less intelligent Angela Peoples), gave their views preferential treatment, and then tried to assess the state of the liberal movement by reading the forum.

Not that I have anything against Peoples or her views in that piece, but it is a somewhat presumptive view at times that leans too heavily on broadbrushing and guilt by association. Which is pretty much the only way many Gaffers know how to operate in charged topics.

FACT CHECK: "This is a neutral ground where facts and evidence, presented within the confines of civil, inclusive discourse, prevail through careful moderation."

[nachobro]

that's just for gaming side, and just even then only when the facts and evidence prove that sony is #1. get it together.

[thisismyusername]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1337086
fuckin bernie was a trump supporter all along, fuck this asshole

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=228968930&postcount=301

Jack trigger warning: Reasonable post ahead.

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That shower. wtfisthis.gif

Handheld shower-head. It's readily apparent. Those are also great to making sure you hit all the areas of your body.

I'm talking about the fact that the shower is the bathroom. Or vice versa.

Er-That's how all "bathroom"/restrooms are in houses?

Glass sliding divider for the shower area with a wooden "dry-off" area/mat (not sure of the term for those) near the shower exit. Between the divider and the sink is a seat for folks with weakened strength to sit on in the shower. (Generally used by old people. Can be fitted into tub-showers as well)

[benjipwns]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=228968930&postcount=301

Jack trigger warning: Reasonable post ahead.

DEBUNKED:

Nevermind.

You guys can give a pass to someone "delighted" to work with Trump. I won't.

Instead fight for all our rights that are in jeopardy and remind everyone at every opportunity who Trump and his cronies are.

Don't ever use "delighted".

We need Dems and Independents who aren't fucking pussies to stand up.

oh. good.

conversations.

no, not the racial one we've been needing to have in good faith for the last 400 years. that one is off the table.

just the ones that make moderates feel better about throwing everyone else under the bus because they feel left behind.

Ugh. "Delighted"? What an awful choice of words. Nobody should ever say they are delighted to work with a white supremacist monster.


I disagreed with Sanders over the damage he did by not dropping out during the primary, and I disagree with him now

Because that will not happen.

Trump is surrounded by white supremacists and Republicans, who will never let him work with a Democrat or Bernie Sanders in any significant way. Trump has paid Bernie no attention since he won the election. He only used his name in the campaign to attack Hillary Clinton and peel off Bernie supporters.

Honestly, at this point Bernie looks desperate. It makes him look bad to all but his base who will honestly defend anything he does.

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I'm sorry, but having a job is a lot more important than having a cheaper television.

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[benjipwns]

I guess that's the thread that finally broke The Technomancer:

I'm not surprised but what the fuck is that language? "Delighted"? Really?

YES. YES IT FUCKING DOES. TRUMP'S GOVERNMENT IS PRACTICALLY RUN BY NAZIS. NO-ONE SHOULD WORK WITH THEM ON ANYTHING

I cannot believe we are two days into an administration that has demonstrated, now that they have power, exactly how much like a fascist regime they want to run this country and we're getting "well yeah...but I guess we can work with them on the good ideas"

[nachobro]

its literally impossible to work the with republicans on good ideas because anything they like is immediately bad

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That shower. wtfisthis.gif

Handheld shower-head. It's readily apparent. Those are also great to making sure you hit all the areas of your body.

I'm talking about the fact that the shower is the bathroom. Or vice versa.

Look at the floor.

What about it?  Looks like the same tile used throughout and the shower area and sink area are separated by a glass door.

there is also a ledge and the floor slightly slopes down towards a gutter

[clothedmacuser]

StoOgE - one of the better mods.  Yet he still he won't do his job.

Keep the discussion civil in the thread. There is no need to call out other members to prove your point.

The thread has generally been a decent back and forth, but personal attacks against other members who are being open and honest aren't going to fly.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=228975444&postcount=1279

I swear, if you keep this up I will ban you.  I'm serious this time.  Don't make me do it.  I mean it!

[benjipwns]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=228976525&postcount=1304

That's a nice belief but I personally just want everyone to be happy to the best that it is possible for another person to be happy without encroaching on another's happiness.

As for the other beliefs. That's fine, but they're your beliefs and they may be wrong as may mine. You should still believe what you want but know this.

I have volunteered for the last 3 elections (yes that includes the midterms) and gone door to door.

I've been an Election Officer for one of those.

I've been at probably to more protests than you.

I've probably been to more political meetings than you

I've probably faced more racial prejudice than you.

I'm probably far more angry than you.

I'm probably going to send my emails and letters to my politicians than you (if I haven't already)


This are things I MIGHT be wrong about but I doubt it. I think you're probably a fine person, you probably have a lot of interesting and respectable opinions. I hope you get everything positive you believe in too. But I don't think you're in the right here. I don't think you get to believe your superior to everyone because you're angry. And I don't believe you get to get angry, coy and posture because your frustrated in a thread on NeoGAF and try to turn it on someone talking to you.

[benjipwns]

All of you complaining about how unfair it is that women are being painted like this, I hope you have a post history being just as against how unfairly black people are painted when it comes to damn near everything...ESPECIALLY voting patterns.

this is 100% true. if black or latino people had voted like WW did, we wouldn't hear the end of it for decades.

[clothedmacuser]

I wasn't pretending, I didn't get it because my brain is a little fuzzy right now and when I asked for clarification, you've been a dick. So round and round we go because you are an ass

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=228970802&postcount=1176
Bu bu bu bu but the TOS says you can't insult!!!

All posters can't be insulted.  But some posters can't be insulted more than others.

[benjipwns]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=228978757&postcount=1331
Messofanego posting 50 post twitter thread

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You know whats a good idea, demonize the 47% of white women that didn't vote for trump and hold them accountable for the other 53%

trump be like

[clothedmacuser]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=228978757&postcount=1331
Messofanego posting 50 post twitter thread

I was going to post that same thing.  Dude, give up.  You are a intellectual waste land.

I guess I have to do this as the native american here, but that women sounds like a complete idiot.  People didn't take your fliers?  No shit lady!  That's not racial injustice if people don't want your hand out.  This is Washington DC, nobody needs another flyer for topless tuesdays at La La Land.

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Are there any good WW2 action games where you get to kill lots of Japanese soldiers?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1337112

Is Duckroll trying to be distinguished mentally-challenged?

[benjipwns]

There's a Nam set game, it might be Guerilla's first game, where at one point you just mow down like thousands of Vietcong/NVA by the bucketloads. Then this dude gets hacked up by machetes for no reason plot wise but you need a reason to keep slaughtering them since every battle is basically entirely unfair.

I think I remember it because people would later talk about the deep storytelling of Killzone. Which it was, about the struggle of a midget to defeat evil Space Nazi's.

Vietcong 2 has a "second quest" where you play as a like 17 year old Vietcong soldier. I was always kinda surprised that got no attention as I think it came out around the time everyone was throwing a fit over you playing as the Taliban in the MP of that one game. I don't think it's anything like the first Vietcong game either where like you could bleed out and die because you got shot by some VC you didn't see in the bushes and couldn't apply bandages in time.

NAM which is like a Duke Nukem 3D mod that got made into a retail game back when that was normal is about you basically are part of a new Captain America style project (to explain how you can get shot so much basically) only you gun everyone down with machine guns because why not, I noticed I have it on Steam the other day.

[benjipwns]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=228982011&postcount=340

I was pretty baffled, but after some very light investigation I'm guessing it's firing back at this thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1336366

There was also this, dug up by a previous poster:

Hahahahahaha. Japan's "isolationist" policy? Don't you mean Japan's got-fucked-up-the-ass-in-a-world-war "policy"?

Trying to give Japan any credit at all for the growth and development of their neighbours is fucking laughable. Those assholes came and fucked us up half a century ago, and fucked our women too. Isolationist my fucking ass. If they didn't get bombed back to the stone age and then occupied by white masters forcing them to swallow their own pride, there would be no Asia today.

...but whether that has any bearing on the current topic I dunno.

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Vietcong 2 has a "second quest" where you play as a like 17 year old Vietcong soldier. I was always kinda surprised that got no attention as I think it came out around the time everyone was throwing a fit over you playing as the Taliban in the MP of that one game.

Maybe because the Vietcong was on the right side

[benjipwns]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1337186

The last of us part 2 won't avoid politics

Thread goes about as expected, especially after this gets piled on:

I really do wish they'd keep politics and overall social commentary out of games. I'm interested in games to get away from that shit, not be thrown head first into it. I play games to have fun. Unfortunate they're going this route imo.

Again, I find it wholly unnecessary. Games were almost never about social commentary/politics until very recently. Especially in a series like TLOU, there's literally no reason for it. I do understand the "art" argument, but it would be like adding politics and social commentary to an explosion fest action movie, like there's no reason for it, why give it a flavor that some might find unpleasant when having no flavor at all works just fine?

[FStop7]

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=228976491

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=228977147

Another Chairborne Commando of the Internet Special Forces.

[benjipwns]

How is destroying a Muslim immigrant's livelihood a persuasive blow against Trump? He's not even part of the government.

Wealthy people ride around in limos. There's an ever increasing wealth gap in this country. The symbolism is easy enough to identify.

yep

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1337186

The last of us part 2 won't avoid politics

Thread goes about as expected, especially after this gets piled on:

I really do wish they'd keep politics and overall social commentary out of games. I'm interested in games to get away from that shit, not be thrown head first into it. I play games to have fun. Unfortunate they're going this route imo.

Again, I find it wholly unnecessary. Games were almost never about social commentary/politics until very recently. Especially in a series like TLOU, there's literally no reason for it. I do understand the "art" argument, but it would be like adding politics and social commentary to an explosion fest action movie, like there's no reason for it, why give it a flavor that some might find unpleasant when having no flavor at all works just fine?

[VomKriege]

Save it. Use it. Liberally.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=228965823&postcount=1288
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=228967153&postcount=1299

Is this memes ?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=228967717&postcount=1313

How in the hell does this have so many fucking words in it? This is almost 1000 words on "Does the color in the title mean anything."

Not sure you're the best to give lessons in brevity 

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=228976881&postcount=1417

When you wanna talk about movies, but you don't like movie critics, but you wanna sound like one, but you don't wanna sound too smart about it, but you wanna let other people know you think they're stupid, just go to youtube. Don't read reviews! Repeat them instead!

Welcome to your new home! Film Criticism for people who hate Film Criticism! Now with more catchphrases! Because why know what you're talking about when you can feel like you belong, with like-minded individuals who know just enough to sound knowledgeable!

Don't think of it as a review! Think of it as a load-out for winning reddit and facebook fights! A load-out provided by your YouTube friends who are way too cool to be doing any of this, but you're just cool enough to hang out with us.

All you gotta do is click play!

U butthurt bout sumthing Bobby ?

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Yeah RLM is not fancy movie criticism, they often restrict their conversations to "mechanical" aspects and don't comment a lot on the content/meaning of stories (unless they found the movie really insulting) and some artistic aspects (photography). They sometimes comment on diversity in movies in a manner that raises my eyebrow, but they're not harping on that shit at all times. They're personable, funny, passionate, self aware and entertaining : You could watch a lot worse on Youtube. Bobby's foaming in the mouth every time is hilarious : You're not David Bordwell or writing with Godard in Les Cahiers du Cinéma, chill the fuck out.

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[benjipwns]

Gene Siskel and Roger Ebert both did extensive and detailed film criticism...AND criticism of being a critic.

Guess where they almost never did it? On their 20 minute weekly program where they said whether or not the latest films were worth going to see.

[benjipwns]

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[VomKriege]

You call that criticism ?  They didn't even talk about toys, IPs and brands ? 

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/09/10/exp-bobby-roberts-co-host--co-producer-full-of-sith-discusses-the-new-star-wars-toys.cnn

Huhu...

Huhu...

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Are there any good WW2 action games where you get to kill lots of Japanese soldiers?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1337112

Is Duckroll trying to be distinguished mentally-challenged?

Must have watched a bad anime.

Also:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=228965208&postcount=42

When people think of Japanese soldiers fighting a war, they think of monsters.

[bork]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1337112&page=7

Come on now, this is basically a troll thread designed to instigate. Are you really going to play these games right now? Have you been checking the prices for World at War or Rising Sun since you've made this thread? Or have you been spending your time trying to justify this thread's creation by arguing with other posters? Not to mention this is a clear riff on the Nazi thread, which is actually a riff on an OT thread. You have no idea why people are taken aback by the thread title? Or subject matter?

Yes? Pacific Assault is 10 bucks on Origin and I'm buying it tonight. I don't have much interest in Call of Duty. I'm not sure why you are being so aggressive.

Why not just title your topic, "WWII games that take place in the Pacific Theater?" or something along those lines? Do you see the difference between "Best game where you kill (northern) Vietnamese people?" and "Best Vietnam War games"? The title was clearly written as a reference to the Nazi one and further incites posters to create spinoff threads (like the locked "American soldiers" ones). Coupled with this post:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=201144992#post201144992

Hahahahahaha. Japan's "isolationist" policy? Don't you mean Japan's got-fucked-up-the-ass-in-a-world-war "policy"?

Trying to give Japan any credit at all for the growth and development of their neighbours is fucking laughable. Those assholes came and fucked us up half a century ago, and fucked our women too. Isolationist my fucking ass. If they didn't get bombed back to the stone age and then occupied by white masters forcing them to swallow their own pride, there would be no Asia today.

The idea of shooting up Japanese soldiers comes off more as releasing pent up rage than a general curiosity about WWII games. Would it be ok if someone made a thread titles "Games where you bomb Japan back into the stone age?" or "Games were you play as the white masters of Japan"?

I don't see the point in further replying to your comments if all you want to do is lecture people over not being sensitive towards Japanese soldiers in World War 2. Sorry, I find that laughable. It's also rude to suggest that I am trying to incite anything, considering the only inciting seems to come from people who are upset that I apparently hold a shocking and inhumane view that Japanese soldiers in World War 2 were real assholes. Collectively.

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What Duckroll fails to understand with his tiny brain is that saying Nazis is not calling out all Germans but saying Japanese is calling out all Japanese. Maybe he could say imperials

Its very complicated no doubt buy youd think eventually its a concept that he might grasp

Like saying lets kill KKK is ok, but lets kill white people is not
Lets kill Isis scum is ok, lets kill some muslims is not
etc

Maybe this is Duckrolls Waterloo finally, he can join Amirox and Bish

[etiolate]

You should probably stop while you're behind Kosma

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Im sorry you probably have to be really smart like you to defend nazis

[benjipwns]

By and large you aren't killing Nazi's in the large scale video games, because the Allies were not killing Nazi's. Nazi Germany was a totalitarian state, much like the Soviet Union. Not everyone in the Red Army was a true believing Communist, there may have even been some Trotskyites. And it's not like you could say "nah, I'm good, you guys go ahead though" because you couldn't even do that in the democracies of the UK and US. Neither were any of them exactly open and honest with their own people about what crimes they were committing.

[etiolate]

Nobody defended nazis. Thinking that and expressing that thought in public is why I'm suggesting you slow your roll.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Thanks for explaining history Benji 

Saying "lets kill nazis" means lets kill some bad jerries, even if the majority of the bundeswehr weren't nazis its the intent and wording that matter here

Saying "lets kill germans" means lets kill germans

[benjipwns]

I'm backing you up ya dingus.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Poland doesn't have backup 

[VomKriege]

saying Nazis is not calling out all Germans

Except it sort of does ? I mean it was "Nazi Germany".
You're actually right that the morality debate is fairly complicated when you dive into it.

EDIT : "Late Showa Imperial" Japanese if there was really a need to pinpoint it is kinda implied in restricting his demand to WW2 games.

[benjipwns]

A lot of people still seem to buy the WWII propaganda about the mindless Japanese willing to die for the Emperor and all that. When most of the Japanese during the war didn't even die from combat, the people on the main islands were happy when the war ended.

Even the infamous Tojo openly debated trying to halt the war multiple times, not to mention there was a whole faction of the military who thought the whole thing was a dumb idea since nobody really cared about what they had been doing in China for over a decade.

[benjipwns]

Japan's best move was probably that whole part where they didn't have paranoid leaders who thought killing their best generals for the stupidest random reasons in the middle of modern total war was a good idea.

edit: should have posted this in the unpopular opinions thread

[VomKriege]

To my knowledge the propaganda certainly drilled the idea ("millions of broken diamonds" was the metaphor IIRC) and prepared enlisting civilians to resist a naval landing with spears and other absurd measures. Not an expert but the US invasion in Okinawa certainly seems to point the citizens were outright terrified. Doesn't mean they were fanatics, of course. Surely a lot of subjects probably didn't think much of it beyond the fuzzy feeling their country must have been justified at some level or were in private critical of some aspects.

[wsippel]

Thanks for explaining history Benji 

Saying "lets kill nazis" means lets kill some bad jerries, even if the majority of the bundeswehr weren't nazis its the intent and wording that matter here

Saying "lets kill germans" means lets kill germans

Wehrmacht. Also, many people don't seem to realize that the infamous Waffen-SS was primarily a foreign legion, yet they also had the highest percentage of actual Nazis according to US Military Intelligence - while "only" 10 to 15% of the regular troops were identified as Nazis, it was close to 100% in Waffen-SS troops. Which makes sense I guess, given that they were mostly volunteers.

[Shuri]

re: banning teabagging in the FGC

  Fulgore stabbed you 20 times with his claws but please don't crounch your character next to mine. I wonder how today's FGC would had survived the real life trash talking that happened in '90 arcades.

was Twiforce homeschooled? Taunting and trash talking are exclusive to male sport players? Has she evern been around women's team hockey players? The shit being thrown between each team and even between themselves is Primal as fuck.

[bork]

re: banning teabagging in the FGC

  Fulgore stabbed you 20 times with his claws but please don't crounch your character next to mine. I wonder how today's FGC would had survived the real life trash talking that happened in '90 arcades.

I would assume this has more to do with streaming and sponsors, I.E. trying to look more professional.  Same reason why certain character outfits get banned.

was Twiforce homeschooled? Taunting and trash talking are exclusive to male sport players? Has she evern been around women's team hockey players? The shit being thrown between each team and even between themselves is Primal as fuck.

"Twiforce?"  Is this supposed to be "Triforce" but pronounced by a three year old or Elmer Fudd?

[VomKriege]

Look at this asshole :

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=228987215

 

[thisismyusername]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=228978757&postcount=1331
Messofanego posting 50 post twitter thread

Jesus Christ at that twitter posting. Be threatened that white women think your outfit looks cool, brehettes.

Finished reading the screencapped original posting. Okay, she makes valid points but if you're at a march and making chants in non-English and doing prayer circles and all that, you should probably expect some attention being drawn to you. Some folks may find it "cool, neat" and videotape (without your permission! *gasp!*) it to remember or make comments about it later. It happens, due to being in public. You'd figure for someone that protests she'd be used to that sort of attention.

[Klelk]

I feel so bad for this dude. Must be incredibly annoying to have to deal with this and hopefully people will help him pay for it...

But this is way too ironic to not be kind of funny. People are assholes.

Seriously, what are the chances that an expensive car wouldn't be owned by a white man? You can't blame the protesters, c'mon now...