US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Mandark]

He seems like he'd be so replaceable.

As much as Trump's had problems finding qualified job applicants, how hard is it to find a Republican who wants to roll back environmental regulations? Pick a GOP intern at random and what are the odds there's no drop-off? 90%?

[BlueTsunami]

Exactly. Pruitt is riding around in his shiny new Cadillac where his sole purpose would seemingly be keeping his head down and dismantling things. Hes going hog wild.

[Boredfrom]

He seems like he'd be so replaceable.

As much as Trump's had problems finding qualified job applicants, how hard is it to find a Republican who wants to roll back environmental regulations? Pick a GOP intern at random and what are the odds there's no drop-off? 90%?

You are talking like Trump understands that. Pruitt is making an ass of himself daily and Trump says he is winning. This is the same reason why he is more excited in meeting a dictator than g7 world leaders.

[Tasty]

Only Trump could go to Russia.

Wait, no. The opposite of that.

[Brehvolution]

You're the Puppet!!!

[Mupepe]

more of a muppet really

[Nintex]

Putin would be in good company at the G7/8
https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1005132351007961089

Just invite the Russians back in. At this point what harm could it do? 

[Tasty]

Putin would be in good company at the G7/8
https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1005132351007961089

Just invite the Russians back in. At this point what harm could it do? 

Send the message that forcefully taking land from a sovereign nation isn't going to have any negative consequences for the aggressor?

[Nintex]

Here's Trump's comment on Russia.

https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1005069249860325376

 


Trump still trying to get rid of Sessions
https://twitter.com/chicagotribune/status/1005134912956043264

[Nintex]

"Rudy is doing a good job actually"




 

He's going to pardon Muhammed Ali.
Who was never criminally charged to begin with. 

Scott Pruitt is doing a great job. 

He's going to pardon thousands and thousands of people who've been treated unfairly. 

[Tasty]

https://twitter.com/chicagotribune/status/1005134912956043264

Is the pop music industry really that tied to marijuana? I'd have thought they were into the harder stuff.

[Nintex]

Trump floats an interesting idea. The NFL players can send applications to him of people who they think have been treated unfairly and he will pardon them or set them free.

The US justice system is no longer ran by courts, it's ran by Donald Trump, Kim Kardashian and the NFL. 

[Tasty]

Damn I should have went with a pop/Coke/cocaine joke. Ah well.

[CatsCatsCats]

THC soda on a shelf near you

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1005140530219626497

Macron can't let it goooo

[Boredfrom]

He cannot put an Etiolate and special fellow about him in public, though.

[Coitus]

The fuck is that mockup of an asteroid doing on the table in front of them.

[recursivelyenumerable]

The fuck is that mockup of an asteroid doing on the table in front of them.

Chekov's Asteroid

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/FoxBusiness/status/1005156505082097670

The resistance campaign still has the energy of a dead rat repeatedly driven over by a dump truck.

[Joe Molotov]

The fuck is that mockup of an asteroid doing on the table in front of them.

I thought Trump was wearing some kind of shawl.

[Nintex]

After floating tariffs for weeks, Trump is now a free trade advocate.

“We should at least consider no tariffs, no barriers — scrapping all of it,” Trump said, according to officials who were listening and taking notes.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel responded positively to Trump’s suggestion Friday, telling him: “We’ll take it as a starting point.”

Europeans trying to teach Trump how the economy works. 

European leaders, who had met to coordinate how they would handle the combustible American president, pushed back hard, but also heaped praise on Trump, hoping to butter him up. For example, they told Trump that millions of European citizens own Apple iPhones.

The leaders came armed with an array of their own statistics aimed at demonstrating to Trump that he was not right to view the U.S. as a victim. Macron, in particular, implored Trump to understand that tariffs alone were not a cause of trade imbalances. He explained that France runs trade deficits with Germany and the United Kingdom on manufactured goods, even though all three countries are part of the EU single market and have zero tariffs between them.

“Why is this happening?” Macron asked, according to an official. “Because French like German cars.”

 

[VomKriege]

Macron being sick in his stomach at the mere idea of levying tariffs, even in self defense, is hilarious.

Will the Holy Market ever forgive you Emmanuel ?

[Nintex]

The G7 is a mere sideshow for the real EVENT anyway.
https://twitter.com/dennisrodman/status/1005395124350869511

Macron being sick in his stomach at the mere idea of levying tariffs, even in self defense, is hilarious.

Will the Holy Market ever forgive you Emmanuel ?

The Europeans are known to protect their own markets with tariffs, subsidies and other measures if they deem it necessary.
Most of the French farmers would've been insolvent years ago were it not for EU subsidies, quota's and other protections.
Volkswagen can pretty much do whatever, like gas monkeys without the German government imposing any measures.

Which makes it super weird that they oppose Trump on the tariffs.
They're probably counting on the fact that in the US nobody knows how the Europeans protect their trade and try to persuade public opinion(and that of congress) in their favor.

[VomKriege]

Sure, tariffs and subsidies. I believe the US does too to an extent. It's all fine by me. I don't think it undermines (short of being dogmatic) the fact that they both lean towards free trade as a goal.

Macron's quote is just weird / cute in how childish it is.

[Boogie]

I’m surprised how tame the protests for the g7 have been so far here.

Thought with it being in Quebec, and trump being here, it would be a war zone like in 2001, but it’s been pretty low key so far.

[zomgee]

Looking forward to the Trump difficulty level in Civilization VII.

[Nola]

So other than Russian kompromat or illicit business ties, I’m genuinely curious what other explaination, in the context of all the other shit fitting this pattern and his recent behavior, makes even a lick of sense explaining Trump’s G7 Russia behavior?

I’m at the point where the real shock to me would be where neither of those influences end up being around the core of explaining all this behavior.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/kathrynw5/status/1005439952723873793
 


When you try to reason with an internet troll



Macron still going for that bromance 

https://twitter.com/CBCPolitics/status/1005441276773314560

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1005586562959093760

How long before the invasion begins bois?


About half way in Trump says he can win the trade war 1000 times over.
Then starts to swing his hands around to make some point about trade deficits that makes me question the very definition of the subject.

[Joe Molotov]

Why did he even go to the G7? Shows up late, leaves early so he can go pal around with Kim, then pushes over the magazine rack on his way out the door.

[Nintex]

Why did he even go to the G7? Shows up late, leaves early so he can go pal around with Kim, then pushes over the magazine rack on his way out the door.

Art of the deal (TM)

Even John Bolton and the other dude look visibly shook as if they've just attended a funeral. Imagine how bad it must've been.


Justin's declaration of total war on the United States of America. 

I wonder how the markets will respond on monday to all that has happened at the G7. Including Trump's threat to cease all trade with the other G7 members. 

Worse yet the entire world is at a knifes edge because it is mathematically impossible for the US to have a trade surplus with all other G7 members.
What Trump wants is literally impossible. 

A trade deficit is an economic measure of international trade in which a country's imports exceeds its exports

The US has a population of over 300 million people. France only about 60 million.

[Mandark]

A trade deficit is an economic measure of international trade in which a country's imports exceeds its exports

The US has a population of over 300 million people. France only about 60 million.

What?

[curly]

don't know how much more nintex spam I can take

[Mandark]

You say that out loud enough and hungrynoob's gonna drop down from the ceiling and start lecturing us about Qanon.

[curly]

You say that out loud enough and hungrynoob's gonna drop down from the ceiling and start lecturing us about Qanon.

speaking of wasn't something supposed to happen in april that would prove that qanon was for real?

[BlueTsunami]

That G7 photo puts his meek child tweet about Trudeau into the Trumpian context

[Joe Molotov]

You say that out loud enough and hungrynoob's gonna drop down from the ceiling and start lecturing us about Qanon.

speaking of wasn't something supposed to happen in april that would prove that qanon was for real?

Zelda defeated him in the new DLC.

[Tasty]

Remember when proto-RE people were mad that Link wasn't a actually girl in BotW

[Mandark]

speaking of wasn't something supposed to happen in april that would prove that qanon was for real?

US was meant to bomb Iran that month. Also his last post was "wait for tomorrow" about the Page/Strzok texts showing an assassination plot against Trump.

I think we got to see someone fall down the conspiracy hole in real time and it's a bit disconcerting.

[Kara]

I've been doing tax planning with Section 199A the past 2 weeks and I think it's more likely than not it will lead to a meaningful decline in Medicare tax collected, which I'm sure the think tank detritus who authored it intended but no one exactly advertised when they were trying to pass a new Internal Revenue Code in 3 weeks.

The mechanics of it are so you can open the spoiler below to see how.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

You are Rich Aunt Pennybags, a member of the most oppressed class in America (small business owners).

You've spent the latter part of your adult life building a very successful nekomimi factory with your parents' capital. You run it and own 90+% of the stock in the company and you have no need for money from it anymore. Accordingly every year you bonus out its profits to your failchild as wages. Wages aren't capped for Medicare tax purposes, and because this is a very successful nekomimi factory the bonus puts your failchild into the additional Medicare tax.

However we now live in a brave new world where you get a complicated tax deduction just for being an S-Corporation because C-Corporations got the deal of the century (you're still a member of the most oppressed class in America, don't worry).

Under the ancien regime it might have been more tax efficient to not bonus the profits in total every year, but it was a de minimis difference to you, a person who has no need for money from your nekomimi factory anymore. Under the new order though taking the taxable income yourself results in a very dramatic tax cut in aggregate for you and your failchhild so you stop bonusing out the profits. No more Medicare tax on wages, no more additional Medicare tax, this year and every year going forward.

[close]

Anyway, looking forward to "Medicare is insolvent, we have to privatize it" in a few years while President Kennedy III kills it on Twitter.

[Nola]

Very interesting. I will say the thing Medicare has going for it is that old people use it, and old people vote.

So I suspect the insolvency issue, much like when Bush tried to privatize Social Security, will end up backfiring on them if they even think about trying to advance an agenda that will seriously gut it.

IMO even in a best case scenario(from the GOP's perspective) I can't even see them getting the Ryan plan across the finish line(or whoever ends up taking up that mantle for the greedy insurance industry when Ryan is gone). Which in typical ironic GOP fashion is his plan to basically turn Medicare into a bastardization of Obamacare. Hand off the core functions to private businesses and subsidize them entirely(at a higher rate, since private insurers are poorer care negotiators and administrators) under the guise of letting seniors "choose" their coverage, injecting "market competition" to eventually bring down the costs of healthcare for taxpayers *jerking off motion*

[jorma]

Worse yet the entire world is at a knifes edge because it is mathematically impossible for the US to have a trade surplus with all other G7 members.
What Trump wants is literally impossible. 

A trade deficit is an economic measure of international trade in which a country's imports exceeds its exports

The US has a population of over 300 million people. France only about 60 million.

[/quote]


That's not how it works. Population is not a factor when you measure the trade balance, only the amount of money in absolute terms.
It is absolutely possible to run a trade surplus with a smaller country.

[kingv]

Trump seems to have confused having a lot of leverage with “having unlimited leverage”.

Europe and the rest of the world will absolutely roll him on trade.

1) his tariffs are dumbly designed. If he really wanted to lower the trade deficit, he should have place tariffs on finished goods and not raw materials. This is basically trade war 101. Now that increased costs on steel and aluminum is going to be passed through on every domestic US produced item, so now our cars will
Be more expensive in the US AND abroad, even if the other country has no tariffs on cars.

Now if I am Ford, and suddenly I will have $500 in additional cost on every American produced car, how much more attractive does a factory in Mexico look?

2) the United States is a very attractive market, but trump is kidding himself if he doesn’t think that the EU, Canada, Mexico, China, Brazil, and India won’t eventually just join together formally or informally and say “you know what, fuck this guy” and collectively engage in a trade war with the US while calling a t Ice between each other.

Trump is not particularly popular at home, and and is very unpopular overseas, so it’s likely their citizens will support this strategy as long as they are sticking it to Trump to put enough economic pressure on the US to ensure he either backs down or loses reelection.

[kingv]

I've been doing tax planning with Section 199A the past 2 weeks and I think it's more likely than not it will lead to a meaningful decline in Medicare tax collected, which I'm sure the think tank detritus who authored it intended but no one exactly advertised when they were trying to pass a new Internal Revenue Code in 3 weeks.

The mechanics of it are so you can open the spoiler below to see how.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

You are Rich Aunt Pennybags, a member of the most oppressed class in America (small business owners).

You've spent the latter part of your adult life building a very successful nekomimi factory with your parents' capital. You run it and own 90+% of the stock in the company and you have no need for money from it anymore. Accordingly every year you bonus out its profits to your failchild as wages. Wages aren't capped for Medicare tax purposes, and because this is a very successful nekomimi factory the bonus puts your failchild into the additional Medicare tax.

However we now live in a brave new world where you get a complicated tax deduction just for being an S-Corporation because C-Corporations got the deal of the century (you're still a member of the most oppressed class in America, don't worry).

Under the ancien regime it might have been more tax efficient to not bonus the profits in total every year, but it was a de minimis difference to you, a person who has no need for money from your nekomimi factory anymore. Under the new order though taking the taxable income yourself results in a very dramatic tax cut in aggregate for you and your failchhild so you stop bonusing out the profits. No more Medicare tax on wages, no more additional Medicare tax, this year and every year going forward.

[close]

Anyway, looking forward to "Medicare is insolvent, we have to privatize it" in a few years while President Kennedy III kills it on Twitter.

Interesting thing about the tax bill is that it gives Democrats a crate Blanche to rewrite the tax code on a 59 vote threshold whenever they win all 3 branches again. There will be plenty of popular support for closing loopholes and refleecing the rich to save Medicare and make the middle class tax cuts permanent (and perhaps even expand them).

[Nola]

I've been doing tax planning with Section 199A the past 2 weeks and I think it's more likely than not it will lead to a meaningful decline in Medicare tax collected, which I'm sure the think tank detritus who authored it intended but no one exactly advertised when they were trying to pass a new Internal Revenue Code in 3 weeks.

The mechanics of it are so you can open the spoiler below to see how.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

You are Rich Aunt Pennybags, a member of the most oppressed class in America (small business owners).

You've spent the latter part of your adult life building a very successful nekomimi factory with your parents' capital. You run it and own 90+% of the stock in the company and you have no need for money from it anymore. Accordingly every year you bonus out its profits to your failchild as wages. Wages aren't capped for Medicare tax purposes, and because this is a very successful nekomimi factory the bonus puts your failchild into the additional Medicare tax.

However we now live in a brave new world where you get a complicated tax deduction just for being an S-Corporation because C-Corporations got the deal of the century (you're still a member of the most oppressed class in America, don't worry).

Under the ancien regime it might have been more tax efficient to not bonus the profits in total every year, but it was a de minimis difference to you, a person who has no need for money from your nekomimi factory anymore. Under the new order though taking the taxable income yourself results in a very dramatic tax cut in aggregate for you and your failchhild so you stop bonusing out the profits. No more Medicare tax on wages, no more additional Medicare tax, this year and every year going forward.

[close]

Anyway, looking forward to "Medicare is insolvent, we have to privatize it" in a few years while President Kennedy III kills it on Twitter.

Interesting thing about the tax bill is that it gives Democrats a crate Blanche to rewrite the tax code on a 59 vote threshold whenever they win all 3 branches again. There will be plenty of popular support for closing loopholes and refleecing the rich to save Medicare and make the middle class tax cuts permanent (and perhaps even expand them).

Even more interesting is that due to the use of reconciliation they can probably do a lot of things, including that, or even major healthcare reform, with just 51.

[Nintex]

Trump seems to have confused having a lot of leverage with “having unlimited leverage”.

Europe and the rest of the world will absolutely roll him on trade.

1) his tariffs are dumbly designed. If he really wanted to lower the trade deficit, he should have place tariffs on finished goods and not raw materials. This is basically trade war 101. Now that increased costs on steel and aluminum is going to be passed through on every domestic US produced item, so now our cars will
Be more expensive in the US AND abroad, even if the other country has no tariffs on cars.

Now if I am Ford, and suddenly I will have $500 in additional cost on every American produced car, how much more attractive does a factory in Mexico look?

2) the United States is a very attractive market, but trump is kidding himself if he doesn’t think that the EU, Canada, Mexico, China, Brazil, and India won’t eventually just join together formally or informally and say “you know what, fuck this guy” and collectively engage in a trade war with the US while calling a t Ice between each other.

Trump is not particularly popular at home, and and is very unpopular overseas, so it’s likely their citizens will support this strategy as long as they are sticking it to Trump to put enough economic pressure on the US to ensure he either backs down or loses reelection.

Trump has the biggest and most powerful military in the world under his control.



Should a trade dispute escalate there's nothing that can stop the US from enacting naval blockades and other non-violent measures.
In fact, Donald Trump could hold the entire world at gunpoint to do his bidding should he choose to do so.

[Nola]

No he couldn’t.

[VomKriege]

I mean, he did force swiftly Mexico to pay for that wall.

China must be panicking, the graduation to world superpower keeps getting scheduled earlier and earlier than they were ready for.

[Nintex]

Where does Trump find all these mobster impersonators.
https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1005846087566061570

"Lemme tell you Paulie, there's a special place in hell for people that mess with the boss"

[kingv]

Trump seems to have confused having a lot of leverage with “having unlimited leverage”.

Europe and the rest of the world will absolutely roll him on trade.

1) his tariffs are dumbly designed. If he really wanted to lower the trade deficit, he should have place tariffs on finished goods and not raw materials. This is basically trade war 101. Now that increased costs on steel and aluminum is going to be passed through on every domestic US produced item, so now our cars will
Be more expensive in the US AND abroad, even if the other country has no tariffs on cars.

Now if I am Ford, and suddenly I will have $500 in additional cost on every American produced car, how much more attractive does a factory in Mexico look?

2) the United States is a very attractive market, but trump is kidding himself if he doesn’t think that the EU, Canada, Mexico, China, Brazil, and India won’t eventually just join together formally or informally and say “you know what, fuck this guy” and collectively engage in a trade war with the US while calling a t Ice between each other.

Trump is not particularly popular at home, and and is very unpopular overseas, so it’s likely their citizens will support this strategy as long as they are sticking it to Trump to put enough economic pressure on the US to ensure he either backs down or loses reelection.

Trump has the biggest and most powerful military in the world under his control.



Should a trade dispute escalate there's nothing that can stop the US from enacting naval blockades and other non-violent measures.
In fact, Donald Trump could hold the entire world at gunpoint to do his bidding should he choose to do so.

He might think that, but it is fantasy. Good luck blockading the world with 274 ships. The American military is very powerful, but the USA cannot sustain a war against the entire world simultaneously. Not even close.

[VomKriege]

As usual with Trump it's ridiculous hyperbole, which probably play well for some polls. Still, even just saying it is mind-blowing. As you said the US has incredible leverage but antagonizing all of your major partners sounds brazen.

[agrajag]

Breh the US military was stretched thin by Iraq and Afghanistan and you expect it to wage war against the entire world? 

[Cerveza mas fina]

Idk what are we supposed to import from the us?

Anything still made there except gmo crops and low quality hormone injected beef? Yeah were not buying those because we have healthy, quality and safety standards.

 

[Kara]

Interesting thing about the tax bill is that it gives Democrats a crate Blanche to rewrite the tax code on a 59 vote threshold whenever they win all 3 branches again. There will be plenty of popular support for closing loopholes and refleecing the rich to save Medicare and make the middle class tax cuts permanent (and perhaps even expand them).

The Democratic Party isn't going to raise taxes on the bourgeoisie ~20%, reintroduce worldwide taxation, or lower the utilization rate of net operating losses (if anything, they'll pass a convoluted sliding scale that lets "deserving" bourgeois utilize it up to 100%).

[team filler]

lol at winning all 3 branches. they'll find a way to lose, they always do 

[Nintex]

Trump seems to have confused having a lot of leverage with “having unlimited leverage”.

Europe and the rest of the world will absolutely roll him on trade.

1) his tariffs are dumbly designed. If he really wanted to lower the trade deficit, he should have place tariffs on finished goods and not raw materials. This is basically trade war 101. Now that increased costs on steel and aluminum is going to be passed through on every domestic US produced item, so now our cars will
Be more expensive in the US AND abroad, even if the other country has no tariffs on cars.

Now if I am Ford, and suddenly I will have $500 in additional cost on every American produced car, how much more attractive does a factory in Mexico look?

2) the United States is a very attractive market, but trump is kidding himself if he doesn’t think that the EU, Canada, Mexico, China, Brazil, and India won’t eventually just join together formally or informally and say “you know what, fuck this guy” and collectively engage in a trade war with the US while calling a t Ice between each other.

Trump is not particularly popular at home, and and is very unpopular overseas, so it’s likely their citizens will support this strategy as long as they are sticking it to Trump to put enough economic pressure on the US to ensure he either backs down or loses reelection.

Trump has the biggest and most powerful military in the world under his control.



Should a trade dispute escalate there's nothing that can stop the US from enacting naval blockades and other non-violent measures.
In fact, Donald Trump could hold the entire world at gunpoint to do his bidding should he choose to do so.

He might think that, but it is fantasy. Good luck blockading the world with 274 ships. The American military is very powerful, but the USA cannot sustain a war against the entire world simultaneously. Not even close.

They won't have to do it by themselves.

They'll have allies such as:
Unified Korea
Japan
Israel
Saudi Arabia

[Nola]

Lol

It's posts like these where I don't know whether you are just completely trolling/shitposting or you actually somewhat believe what you are saying?

Because I am not sure how hypothetically trading and directly antagonizing most of the entire post-war coalition and replacing it with an inferior one makes that notion anything but even more preposterous?

[Assimilate]

Trump fucking threatened to END TRADE

This moron has no idea what trade is.

Think about it.

Not 'free trade' or 'international trade'. Just plain fucking trade.

He talks about it like it's a fucking hand-out.

Holy shit.

What a moron.

What a dope.

And he'll likely be reelected.

[Kara]

lol at winning all 3 branches. they'll find a way to lose, they always do 

You're going to feel like a fool when popular positions that energize voters pay dividends.

[kingv]

Interesting thing about the tax bill is that it gives Democrats a crate Blanche to rewrite the tax code on a 59 vote threshold whenever they win all 3 branches again. There will be plenty of popular support for closing loopholes and refleecing the rich to save Medicare and make the middle class tax cuts permanent (and perhaps even expand them).

The Democratic Party isn't going to raise taxes on the bourgeoisie ~20%, reintroduce worldwide taxation, or lower the utilization rate of net operating losses (if anything, they'll pass a convoluted sliding scale that lets "deserving" bourgeois utilize it up to 100%).

The Democratic Party of the last 10 years? Probably not.

If you haven’t noticed, the millennial Democrats are considerably more liberal than the older ones and the actuarial tables are on their side.

Edit: and pay-go rules seem like a pretty good idea when you have a 1.5 trillion dollar deficit to play with. Dem niccas can expand medicare while closing the deficit if they want to.