US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[shosta]

I think reality makes me question the common sense idea of whether or not a government can borrow indefinitely.

Because none of the stable governments that control their own currency has seemed to find a limit.

Japan is probably in a liquidity trap.

[Dickie Dee]

wait nintex posted that tucker video right above me?

hazards of using the mute button I guess

[kingv]

I think reality makes me question the common sense idea of whether or not a government can borrow indefinitely.

Because none of the stable governments that control their own currency has seemed to find a limit.

Japan is probably in a liquidity trap.

Well what did they expect after inventing bukkake?

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1098282209834950657

Dutch boi goes on Fox News, annihilates it   

took a dutch to cucc the tuck   

[benjipwns]

Dems are going to ignore Sherrod Brown and miss out on a sure thing.

I see you haven't heard about the fact that this white male is a dog-whistling racist piece of shit, running around Iowa talking about the "working class" (aka white supremacy) is not what the Democratic base wants to hear in 2020.

[Kara]

Keep the shit in the shit thread.

Unrelated: Chartalism is the "it's free real estate" meme but a theory of economics.

[benjipwns]

Keep the shit in the shit thread.

Yes, no more posting of Tucker breaking kayfabe.

[benjipwns]

Chartalism is the "it's free real estate" meme but a theory of economics.

Stop trying to make me support it.

[Kara]

Yeah right, anarchists only agree with the state line on matters of foreign policy, not their existential mythology.

[benjipwns]

Democratic Socialists of America Dank Meme Stash

[Kara]

The original version of that comic is a cursed image and exactly what you'd expect to find in a self-proclaimed dank meme stash.

[benjipwns]

Not surprised to see hoarders in a party of social fascists tbh.

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/RogueNASA/status/1098413052960129024

[benjipwns]

Personally I'm glad someone stood up to the Panda Agenda finally. If Tucker has to be that hero, so be it.

[benjipwns]

[benjipwns]

That Tucker response though: "I called him a moron, then I modified that word with a vulgar Anglo-Saxon term that is also intelligible in Dutch. In my defense, I would say that was entirely accurate but you're not allowed to use that word on television."

Come at the king you best not miss.

[curly]

thought this was a really good takedown of vox-style faux-academic punditry. the way he worked in walter benjamin at the end

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/02/corey-robin-on-the-historovox-what-we-missed-about-trump.html?fbclid=IwAR04j48yGFxIg280iBzNfD1npwM8p214AWjSiZSOJLXO4ac38rvmhFJGhRA

[agrajag]

tucker has been getting pretty chubby lately, he'll be Demi material soon

[benjipwns]

Less interested in budget negotiations on Capitol Hill or the stalling of legislation — empirics of power that might tell us whether Trump is an ascendant authoritarian or a flailing conservative — the explainers like to invoke academic research that sees Trump as an American instance of the democratic backsliding across the globe. Brooding on the bloodlands of Europe, meditating on the dark night of the populist soul, anxious media professionals find academic confirmation for their sense that they are exiles in their own land.

There’s a bad synergy at work in the Historovox — as I call this complex of scholars and journalists — between the short-termism of the news cycle and the longue durée-ism of the academy. Short-term interests and partisan concerns still drive reporting and commentary. But where the day’s news once would have been narrated as a series of events, the Historovox brings together those events in a pseudo-academic frame that treats them as symptoms of deeper patterns and long-term developments. Unconstrained by the protocols of academe or journalism, but drawing on the authority of the first for the sake of the second, the Historovox skims histories of the New Deal or rifles through abstracts of meta-analysis found in JSTOR to push whatever the latest line happens to be.

When the contingencies of a day’s news cycle are overlaid with the laws of social science or whatever ancient formation is trending in the precincts of academic historiography, the political world can come to seem more static than it is. Toss in the partisan agendas of the media and academia, and the effects are as dizzying as they are deadening: a news cycle that’s said to reflect the universal laws of the political universe where the laws of the political universe change with every news cycle.

the best part is the intended targets probably don't even understand how savage this dude is being

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/Evan_Rosenfeld/status/1098344867485278208

[team filler]

they caught Q  :'(

[benjipwns]

Christopher Hasson was arrested Feb. 15 by the FBI and charged with drug and weapon possession. He identified himself as a white nationalist and advocated for “focused violence” in order to establish a white homeland, according to court documents.

“I am dreaming of a way to kill almost every last person on the earth,” Hasson wrote in a draft email on June 2, 2017, according to court records.

...

“Have to take serious look at appropriate individual targets, to bring greatest impact. Professors, DR’s, Politian’s, Judges, leftists in general,” Hasson wrote in a draft email on June 2, 2017. “Much blood will have to be spilled to get whitey off the couch.”

these plans seem contradictory, I don't think ol Christopher is too on the ball, but I'll withhold judgement until after the trial

[shosta]

Because of recent posts about him, I read that as "Chris Hansen".

[pgtl_10]

Christopher Hasson was arrested Feb. 15 by the FBI and charged with drug and weapon possession. He identified himself as a white nationalist and advocated for “focused violence” in order to establish a white homeland, according to court documents.

“I am dreaming of a way to kill almost every last person on the earth,” Hasson wrote in a draft email on June 2, 2017, according to court records.

...

“Have to take serious look at appropriate individual targets, to bring greatest impact. Professors, DR’s, Politian’s, Judges, leftists in general,” Hasson wrote in a draft email on June 2, 2017. “Much blood will have to be spilled to get whitey off the couch.”

these plans seem contradictory, I don't think ol Christopher is too on the ball, but I'll withhold judgement until after the trial

Not really, if he kills everybody then only white people will be left on earth. Can't reproduce white people though.

Guess he didn't think it through.

[jakefromstatefarm]

this dude

You read the reactionary mind?

[shosta]

[benjipwns]

You read the reactionary mind?

i didn't even recognize the name 

[Kara]

Civil asset forfeiture got bodied by the Supreme Court. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

The case in question was Timbs v. Indiana, in which Tyson Timbs pleaded guilty in Indiana state court to dealing in a controlled substance and conspiracy to commit theft. When Timbs was arrested, cops seized his $42,000 Land Rover. The state later pursued civil forfeiture of the SUV, arguing that Timbs had used the car to transport heroin. A trial court rejected the state’s claim, arguing the cost of the SUV was more than four times the maximum fine imposed for his drug conviction, which would violate the Eighth Amendment’s Excessive Fines Clause. The state appealed, arguing that the Clause only applies to federal actions, and the case eventually reached the Supreme Court.

[benjipwns]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/20/politics/special-counsel-conclusion-announcement/

Attorney General Bill Barr is preparing to announce as early as next week the completion of special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation, with plans for Barr to submit to Congress soon after a summary of Mueller's confidential report, according to people familiar with the plans.

The preparations are the clearest indication yet that Mueller is nearly done with his almost two-year investigation.

The precise timing of the announcement is subject to change.

any minute now...

[benjipwns]

NINTEX,

[Himu]

Maga kid suing WaPo for 200 mil because they are using a new version of "McCarthyism" (their words)

[benjipwns]

Civil asset forfeiture got bodied by the Supreme Court. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

The case in question was Timbs v. Indiana, in which Tyson Timbs pleaded guilty in Indiana state court to dealing in a controlled substance and conspiracy to commit theft. When Timbs was arrested, cops seized his $42,000 Land Rover. The state later pursued civil forfeiture of the SUV, arguing that Timbs had used the car to transport heroin. A trial court rejected the state’s claim, arguing the cost of the SUV was more than four times the maximum fine imposed for his drug conviction, which would violate the Eighth Amendment’s Excessive Fines Clause. The state appealed, arguing that the Clause only applies to federal actions, and the case eventually reached the Supreme Court.

Justice Ginsburg also rejected the State of Indiana's argument that the Excessive Fines Clause does not apply to in rem civil asset forfeitures, where the government - in theory - files a claim against the property itself, rather than against the owner, as such. She did so in large part because the Supreme Court had already ruled that the Clause applies to at least some civil forfeitures in its decision in Austin v. United States (1993), and Indiana had not asked for Austin to be overruled. In theory, therefore, the Court could decide to overrule that precedent in a future case, where the issue was properly raised. But it seems unlikely that the justices have any desire to do that.

It is also significant that the Court rejected the argument that the Excessive Fines Clause should be incorporated because its application to in rem civil forfeitures is not "deeply rooted" in American history, even if application to other kinds of forfeitures is:

As a fallback, Indiana argues that the Excessive Fines Clause cannot be incorporated if it applies to civil in rem forfeitures. We disagree. In considering whether the Fourteenth Amendment incorporates a protection contained in the Bill of Rights, we ask whether the right guaranteed—not each and every particular application of that right—is fundamental or deeply rooted. Indiana's suggestion to the contrary is inconsistent with the approach we have taken in cases concerning novel applications of rights already deemed incorporated.

For example, in Packingham v. North Carolina, 582 U. S. ___ (2017), we held that a North Carolina statute prohibiting registered sex offenders from accessing certain commonplace social media websites violated the First Amendment right to freedom of speech. In reaching this conclusion, we noted that the First Amendment's Free Speech Clause was "applicable to the States under the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment...." We did not, however, inquire whether the Free Speech Clause's application specifically to social media websites was fundamental or deeply rooted.

In sum, the Court unanimously agrees that the Excessive Fines Clause applies to state governments and that it covers civil asset forfeitures.

In separate concurring opinions, Justices Clarence Thomas and Neil Gorsuch argue that "incorporation" should proceed under the Privileges or Immunities Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, rather than under the Due Process Clause (the vehicle used by the Court for the last century or more).

[benjipwns]

Maga kid suing WaPo for 200 mil because they are using a new version of "McCarthyism" (their words)

The complaint: http://www.hemmerlaw.com/blog/for-truth-for-justice-for-nicholas/

Unlike the Post’s abuse of the profession of journalism, Plaintiffs do not bring this lawsuit to use the judicial system to further a political agenda. This lawsuit is brought against the Post to seek legal redress for its negligent, reckless, and malicious attacks on Nicholas which caused permanent damage to his life and reputation.

more from the complaint

INTRODUCTION

The Post is a major American daily newspaper published in Washington, D.C. which is credited with inventing the term "McCarthyism" in an editorial cartoon published in 1950. Depicting buckets of tar, the cartoon made fun of then United States Senator Joseph McCarthy's "tarring" tactics of engaging in smear campaigns and character assassination against citizens whose political views made them targets of his accusations.

In a span of three (3) days in January of this year commencing on January 19, the Post engaged in a modern-day form of McCarthyism by competing with CNN and NBC, among others, to claim leadership of a mainstream and social media mob of bullies which attacked, vilified, and threatened Nicholas Sandmann (“Nicholas”), an innocent secondary school child.

The Post wrongfully targeted and bullied Nicholas because he was the white, Catholic student wearing a red “Make America Great Again” souvenir cap on a school field trip to the January 18 March for Life in Washington, D.C. when he was unexpectedly and suddenly confronted by Nathan Phillips (“Phillips”), a known Native American activist, who beat a drum and sang loudly within inches of his face (“the January 18 incident”).

Nicholas stood quietly and respectfully for several minutes after being targeted and bullied by Phillips and Nicholas’ body language remained non-aggressive and passive throughout the incident.

Nicholas is 16-years of age, is 5’9” in height and weighs 115 pounds.

The school field trip to the Nation’s capital was the first out-of-state trip Nicholas had ever taken without being with his family.

In targeting and bullying Nicholas by falsely accusing him of instigating the January 18 incident, the Post conveyed that Nicholas engaged in acts of racism by “swarming” Phillips, “blocking” his exit away from the students, and otherwise engaging in racist misconduct.

The Post ignored basic journalist standards because it wanted to advance its well-known and easily documented, biased agenda against President Donald J. Trump (“the President”) by impugning individuals perceived to be supporters of the President.

As a 16-year old secondary school student, Nicholas’ political beliefs are anything but established and entrenched in his young mind.

Nicholas has zero history of political activism or aggressiveness and did not exhibit any such conduct even when confronted with unbridled racist attacks by activist bullies at the National Mall.

The Post’s campaign to target Nicholas in furtherance of its political agenda was carried out by using its vast financial resources to enter the bully pulpit by publishing a series of false and defamatory print and online articles which effectively provided a worldwide megaphone to Phillips and other anti-Trump individuals and entities to smear a young boy who was in its view an acceptable casualty in their war against the President.

Unlike the Post’s abuse of the profession of journalism, Plaintiffs do not bring this lawsuit to use the judicial system to further a political agenda. This lawsuit is brought against the Post to seek legal redress for its negligent, reckless, and malicious attacks on Nicholas which caused permanent damage to his life and reputation.

The Post bullied an innocent child with an absolute disregard for the pain and destruction its attacks would cause to his life.

The Post proved itself to be a loud and aggressive bully with a bully pulpit.

In this country, our society is dedicated to the protection of children regardless of the color of their skin, their religious beliefs, or the cap they wear.

But the Post did not care about protecting Nicholas. To the contrary, the Post raced with a reckless disregard of the facts and truth because in this day and time there is a premium for being the first and loudest media bully.

The Post wanted to lead the charge against this child because he was a pawn in its political war against its political adversary – a war so disconnected and beyond the comprehension of Nicholas that it might as well have been science fiction.

The Post must be dealt with the same way every bully is dealt with and that is hold the bully fully accountable for its wrongdoing in a manner which effectively deters the bully from again bullying other children. In a civil lawsuit, punishment and deterrence is found in awarding money damages to the victim and target of the bully.

In order to fully compensate Nicholas for his damages and to punish, deter, and teach the Post a lesson it will never forget, this action seeks money damages in excess of Two Hundred and Fifty Million Dollars ($250,000,000.00) – the amount Jeff Bezos, the world’s richest person, paid in cash for the Post when his company, Nash Holdings, purchased the newspaper in 2013.

The Post negligently and recklessly published its False and Defamatory Accusations in derogation of accepted principles of journalistic ethics, including by failing to verify each before publication.

The Post negligently and recklessly published its False and Defamatory Accusations in derogation of accepted principles of journalistic ethics, including by failing to take special care not to misrepresent or oversimplify its coverage, and by failing to provide any appropriate context to its False and Defamatory Accusations.

The Post negligently and recklessly published its False and Defamatory Accusations in derogation of accepted principles of journalistic ethics, including by failing to avoid stereotyping.

The Post negligently and recklessly published its False and Defamatory Accusations in derogation of accepted principles of journalistic ethics, including by failing to examine the way in which its own biases and agenda shaped its false reporting.

The Post negligently and recklessly published its False and Defamatory Accusations in derogation of accepted principles of journalistic ethics, including by failing to treat Nicholas as a human being deserving of respect.

The Post negligently and recklessly published its False and Defamatory Accusations in derogation of accepted principles of journalistic ethics, including by wrongfully placing the anti-Trump, anti-Catholic, and pro-life agenda over the harm its False and Defamatory Accusations caused to Nicholas.

[close]

[benjipwns]

The funny thing is that they probably actually could get him a decent chunk of cash from WaPo if they approached them behind the scenes on this, but instead they're going the route for maximum irrelevant points scoring and risking getting nothing concrete for the kid.

[Himu]

The funny thing is that they probably actually could get him a decent chunk of cash from WaPo if they approached them behind the scenes on this, but instead they're going the route for maximum irrelevant points scoring and risking getting nothing concrete for the kid.

also the mccarthyism claim. lmao

[benjipwns]

"Plus McCarthy was right!" - #Resistance Leader Ann Coulter

[benjipwns]

@PhoenixDark
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/20/john-james-un-ambassador-1176831

The White House is in discussions with former Michigan Senate candidate John James about the vacant United Nations ambassador post, with President Donald Trump leaning toward nominating the former businessman and Iraq War veteran, according to three people close to the process.

...

A White House official said James, 37, was previously the “runner-up” for the position last December before Trump nominated Nauert. At the time, James met with several senior Trump administration officials, including the president, vice president and former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley. James is a “favorite” of Vice President Mike Pence, added a senior White House official, and has won a stamp of approval from Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and national security adviser John Bolton, both of whom are involved in deliberations.

James appeared on Fox News Wednesday afternoon in what some White House officials viewed as a formal audition for the role. He used the six-minute segment to pitch himself as an experienced businessman who could cut through the U.N. bureaucracy to deliver meaningful reforms, and also as someone who is willing to communicate the president’s “America First” vision. Trump has told advisers he wants someone in the job — recently downgraded from its Cabinet rank — who agrees with his foreign policy outlook and can be a ubiquitous presence on television.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6004513115001/

[Occam]

By the way, why do those American leftist morons keep talking about "Democratic Socialism"? There is no such thing. Socialism can't be democratic by design. Socialism means replacing the existing economic system with one that doesn't work. The term they are looking for is "Social Democracy", or better yet, Social Market Economy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_market_economy
You know, a system that actually works because it's regulated by supply and demand, but where part of the economic output is used to benefit society as a whole and not just the 1%.

[benjipwns]

By the way, why do those American leftist morons keep talking about "Democratic Socialism"? There is no such thing. Socialism can't be democratic by design. Socialism means replacing the existing economic system with one that doesn't work. The term they are looking for is "Social Democracy", or better yet, Social Market Economy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_market_economy

While you're on Wikipedia check out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism

[Occam]

By the way, why do those American leftist morons keep talking about "Democratic Socialism"? There is no such thing. Socialism can't be democratic by design. Socialism means replacing the existing economic system with one that doesn't work. The term they are looking for is "Social Democracy", or better yet, Social Market Economy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_market_economy

While you're on Wikipedia check out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism

Yeah, like I said, it's bullshit. You can't socialize ownership and be democratic at the same time.

[jorma]

By the way, why do those American leftist morons keep talking about "Democratic Socialism"? There is no such thing. Socialism can't be democratic by design. Socialism means replacing the existing economic system with one that doesn't work. The term they are looking for is "Social Democracy", or better yet, Social Market Economy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_market_economy

While you're on Wikipedia check out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism

Yeah, like I said, it's bullshit. You can't socialize ownership and be democratic at the same time.

and yet every nation you'd consider democratic reserves the right to expropriate property from individual citizens

[Brehvolution]

By the way, why do those American leftist morons keep talking about "Democratic Socialism"? There is no such thing. Socialism can't be democratic by design. Socialism means replacing the existing economic system with one that doesn't work. The term they are looking for is "Social Democracy", or better yet, Social Market Economy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_market_economy
You know, a system that actually works because it's regulated by supply and demand, but where part of the economic output is used to benefit society as a whole and not just the 1%.

Which is funny, because no one is calling for full socialism and replacing the current economic system. People just want a better health care system to replace the one we have that doesn't work.

Trump is the most socialist president we've had. He's only ever lived on other peoples money.

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/benyankee/status/1098586743987679233

[Great Rumbler]

To be fair, Barron is the one that's good at computer.

[nachobro]

With the whole "RACE DOESNT EXIST" and now this, I'm starting to think Occam isn't very smart. Or is literal to a fault. Same thing I guess.

[Himu]

Race doesn’t exist?

Occam’s razor shaved his brain it seems.

[nachobro]

ugh now you started it.

[Kara]

[Kara]

There's a now deleted @getfiscal quote tweet where he quotes a tweet asking people to share something that tells you their age without just saying your age and his response was "social democracy and democratic socialism are synonyms" which was kind of funny but if you're old enough to remember that then you're old enough to remember perestroika, also known as a new democratic socialism.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1098615818512941057

Jussie dun fucked up now 

I like how Trump knows about the . before @ Twitter trick. Truely the greatest President to ever hold the office.

[agrajag]

There's a now deleted @getfiscal quote tweet where he quotes a tweet asking people to share something that tells you their age without just saying your age and his response was "social democracy and democratic socialism are synonyms" which was kind of funny but if you're old enough to remember that then you're old enough to remember perestroika, also known as a new democratic socialism.

Do you remember Glasnost?

 

[Phoenix Dark]

@PhoenixDark
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/20/john-james-un-ambassador-1176831

The White House is in discussions with former Michigan Senate candidate John James about the vacant United Nations ambassador post, with President Donald Trump leaning toward nominating the former businessman and Iraq War veteran, according to three people close to the process.

...

A White House official said James, 37, was previously the “runner-up” for the position last December before Trump nominated Nauert. At the time, James met with several senior Trump administration officials, including the president, vice president and former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley. James is a “favorite” of Vice President Mike Pence, added a senior White House official, and has won a stamp of approval from Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and national security adviser John Bolton, both of whom are involved in deliberations.

James appeared on Fox News Wednesday afternoon in what some White House officials viewed as a formal audition for the role. He used the six-minute segment to pitch himself as an experienced businessman who could cut through the U.N. bureaucracy to deliver meaningful reforms, and also as someone who is willing to communicate the president’s “America First” vision. Trump has told advisers he wants someone in the job — recently downgraded from its Cabinet rank — who agrees with his foreign policy outlook and can be a ubiquitous presence on television.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6004513115001/

Could have been me.

[TakingBackSunday]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1098615818512941057

Jussie dun fucked up now 

I like how Trump knows about the . before @ Twitter trick. Truely the greatest President to ever hold the office.

Can we not

[Occam]

Social Democracy and Democratic Socialsm aren't synonymous, unless you redefine the meaning.
This is social democracy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
"Democratic" Socialism is a form of socialism, Social Democracy is not.
The socialist party that ruled East Germany (the German "Democratic" "Republic") became the Party of Democratic Socialism after the German reunification. They are socialists.

And looking at the Wikipedia entry of Democratic Socialism, I seem to be in good company with my opinion:
"a society which is socialist cannot also be democratic, in the sense of guaranteeing individual freedom"-Milton Freedman

If you want a system with better social security, then you want social democracy, or better yet, a social market economy.

[Himu]

Jussie is an embarrassment.

[Joe Molotov]

Jussie is an embarrassment.

The gay Nintex

[Brehvolution]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1098615818512941057

Jussie dun fucked up now 

I like how Trump knows about the . before @ Twitter trick. Truely the greatest President to ever hold the office.

"It wasn't one of us, this time. You owe an apology."

[Boredfrom]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1098615818512941057

Jussie dun fucked up now 

I like how Trump knows about the . before @ Twitter trick. Truely the greatest President to ever hold the office.

"It wasn't one of us, this time. You owe an apology."

Yeah, that is what piss me off. What he is doing is way worse than Jussie.

[Occam]

With the whole "RACE DOESNT EXIST" and now this, I'm starting to think Occam isn't very smart. Or is literal to a fault. Same thing I guess.

I said no such thing. Of course it exists, as a terrible social construct. But it doesn't exist in a biological sense.
As I said the first time we discussed it, race exists in the same way that witchcraft exists.

[Himu]

With the whole "RACE DOESNT EXIST" and now this, I'm starting to think Occam isn't very smart. Or is literal to a fault. Same thing I guess.

I said no such thing. Of course it exists, as a terrible social construct. But it doesn't exist in a biological sense.
As I said the first time we discussed it, race exists in the same way that witchcraft exists.

So, are you saying black americans are more likely to have high blood pressure or sickle cell?