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« Reply #40500 on: August 31, 2019, 07:54:20 PM »
Communism arrives in Poland:
500,000 Polish nationals imprisoned before June 1941 (90% male)

22,000 Polish military personnel and officials killed in the Katyn massacre alone

1,700,000 Poles deported to Siberia in 1939-1941

150,000–500,000 citizens of the Republic died

~3 million killed via industrial death camps. Not even close.

I think I'll sort of agree with Nintex here. Look what you make me do. :fbm

It might also be a statement regarding the partitioning, invasion and its immediate aftermath specifically, before policies of systematic extermination really get formalized then ordered.

The context is it's the opening paragraph, and the very following sentence references the Holocaust.

Congrats on giving both nintex and bret stephens the benefit of the doubt. Heady play.

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« Reply #40501 on: August 31, 2019, 07:58:54 PM »
Skss! Ease off the sarcasm, I like this frenchie. :maf


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« Reply #40502 on: August 31, 2019, 08:01:48 PM »
Vom's aight by me generally, but this here's posting country. The sass is coming for us all, just a matter of time.

*spits out tobacco wad*

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« Reply #40503 on: August 31, 2019, 08:18:22 PM »
Welp 18 minutes of police footage from 2005 of Epstein's house has leaked.
He kept pictures of underage girls framed all over his house.

Yet all his 'friends' say they never saw anything alarming or didn't know he was up to no good  :idont

Counterpoint. Nintex believes both events are fictitious.
What makes you think I don't believe WW2 and the Holocaust happened?

Your enthusiastic defense of Anders brevik’s Hairline.

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« Reply #40504 on: August 31, 2019, 08:21:03 PM »
Mr. Baron,

I am writing in regards to the Washington Post Fact Checker’s Aug. 28 analysis, headlined: “Sanders’s flawed statistic: 500,000 medical bankruptcies a year.” We demand that the Post immediately issue a retraction and inform its readers of this decision.

The overall premise of the piece is absurd. The Post’s Fact Checker issued Senator Sanders “three pinocchios” for accurately citing a peer-reviewed editorial published in the American Journal of Public Health. The Post even notes that the author of the editorial confirmed that Senator Sanders had accurately cited his work.

As Rolling Stone ​pointed out​:​ “To dole out Pinocchios for a good faith effort to translate public health data into a stump speech is journalistically obtuse.”

Furthermore, the Post’s Fact Checker asserted: “The AJPH editorial did not undergo the same peer-reviewed editing process as a research article.” This is also not true. The Fact Checker has been informed of this error and has thus far refused to correct it.

The AJPH told the author of this editorial: "I have confirmed to the WaPo that your editorial had been peer-reviewed. There has been some confusion here because they approached us with a general question about editorials.” It is inaccurate to claim that the AJPH editorial did not undergo a peer-review, based on a general question from the Post’s Fact Checker about the standard editorial process.

Let’s be clear. The American Journal of Public Health is not the National Enquirer. It is not a supermarket tabloid. It is one of the most widely respected and prestigious medical journals in the country. Senator Sanders accurately cited a statistic that was published in this distinguished public health journal. In what world does this merit one so-called “pinocchio” let alone three? Further, this “three pinocchio” rating isn’t just falsely attacking the veracity of Senator Sanders and misleading the public on one of the most serious problems facing the American people. It is also tarnishing the reputation of the author of the editorial who went to great lengths to have it reviewed by his peers, who believes “your false claim” has “besmirched” his “reputation as a scholar,” and who is also demanding a retraction.

Unfortunately, this latest Fact Checker article is part of a much broader pattern of bias against Senator Sanders.

On ​June 27th​, the Washington Post published a “fact check” story by Glenn Kessler about Senator Sanders correctly stating that “millions of Americans are forced to work two or three jobs just to survive.” Kessler asserted that the claim was “misleading” even though he admitted “​Bureau of Labor Statistics data ​shows​ that nearly ​8 million people​ hold more than one job.” To be clear: 8 million Americans are accurately described by Senator Sanders as “millions of Americans” -- and yet Kessler’s false assertion that this statement of fact was “misleading” was never retracted or corrected by the Washington Post.

Similarly, on June 28th, the Washington Post published another “fact check” by Mr. Kessler about Senator Sanders ​correctly​ stating that three people own more wealth than the bottom half of the country. Kessler acknowledged that Senator Sanders’ statement was “based on numbers that add up.” However, he then asserted that because “people in the bottom half have essentially no wealth” the “comparison is not especially meaningful” -- which is not merely subjective and tendentious, but also totally inaccurate. The fact that three people own so much wealth while tens of millions have absolutely no wealth is ​especially​ meaningful to working class Americans who are struggling to make ends meet.

These are just a few of the most recent examples of Mr. Kessler’s blatantly obvious bias against Senator Sanders.

The Washington Post says it adheres to the highest journalistic standards of objectivity, fairness and accuracy. If that is the case, why does the Post’s editorial leadership allow the Fact Checker to regularly, baselessly disparage Senator Sanders with smears that are demonstrably inaccurate? And why has the Post’s editorial leadership not corrected or retracted these smears when they are proven false?

We hope that you will address the Fact Checker’s inappropriate coverage of Senator Sanders -- first by immediately retracting this most recent piece, and then by committing the newspaper to covering Senator Sanders in a fair, professional and ethical manner that finally starts honoring the most basic standards of accuracy.

We look forward to hearing your immediate response to this request.

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Warren Gunnels

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« Reply #40505 on: August 31, 2019, 08:24:26 PM »
how is anyone talking to a clinton about anything other than epstein?

Someone definitely should tell Tass queen that the best thing she could do during the 2020 election is disappear.

She energized the right. 1/3 the left hates her. She has the taint of a loser and no charisma. Her husband is buddies with a Pedo. Trump would like nothing more than to turn 2020 into a referendum on Hillary Clinton.

The best thing she can do for America is shut up and stay out of it, Barack Obama style.

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« Reply #40506 on: August 31, 2019, 08:30:18 PM »
The Clinton camp started the whole birther thing with the picture of Obama in robes they circulated.

nintex, what is the point of telling lies like this on a forum where nobody believes your shit?

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« Reply #40507 on: August 31, 2019, 09:06:52 PM »
The Clinton camp started the whole birther thing with the picture of Obama in robes they circulated.

nintex, what is the point of telling lies like this on a forum where nobody believes your shit?

 Nintex is actually right about this.

Note he said Clinton CAMP, not Clinton CAMPAIGN nor Clinton HERSELF. The birtherism thing started on a puma email chain by Clinton supporters.

McCain’s supporters didn’t pick it up until later (which was also dumb because McCain also was not born in the US).

https://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/





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« Reply #40508 on: August 31, 2019, 09:11:39 PM »
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« Reply #40509 on: August 31, 2019, 09:12:28 PM »
Well I've read the first paragraph and I'll stick to my earlier point : he mentions the non-agression pact and at the risk of being pedantic and splitting hair speaks on the dual invasion. To me that opening bit is more or less clearly about the armed push itself, the initial occupation or maybe up to Barbarossa until which both had approximately control over half the country. I'll add that unless there's some later part of the article where this passing mention of the Soviet Union occupation of Poland comes into play, it strikes as a bit of context for 1939 and I don't find especially controversial to say the Soviet invasion of Poland in 1939 was "as murderous" and the Soviet and Nazis shared a commonality of intents in that specific case : After all, they planned it together, did they ?

It's pretty farfetched to see this as Holocaust denialism even "soft" and to make an argument via hyperbole it's a bit like saying that the Soviet aligned states body count is astronomically higher than the Nazis and that it's denialism promoted by cultural Marxists in universities yadda etc tutti quanti. Brushing aside the exactitude of the numbers, while Marxist Leninist regimes have an horrible & terrifying record it's obviously a bit of a brain fart to compare in absolute terms the two because of the wildy different timespans, areas and populations concerned (and intent, specifics, etc...)

It's reading a lot in a sentence to think that "murderous" really means "numerically comparable" and up to "numerically comparable from September 1939 to May 1945". Especially since the NYT allowed me to take a glance at the article and I don't have the impression this bit is really more than that : a bit.
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« Reply #40510 on: August 31, 2019, 09:14:49 PM »
Nintex is actually right about this.

We're going to win so much. You're going to get tired of winning. you’re going to say, ‘Please Mr. Nintex, I have a headache. Please, don't win so much. This is getting terrible.
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« Reply #40511 on: August 31, 2019, 09:17:30 PM »
Well I've read the first paragraph

okay now read the second one

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« Reply #40512 on: August 31, 2019, 09:25:13 PM »
The Clinton camp started the whole birther thing with the picture of Obama in robes they circulated.

nintex, what is the point of telling lies like this on a forum where nobody believes your shit?

 Nintex is actually right about this.

Note he said Clinton CAMP, not Clinton CAMPAIGN nor Clinton HERSELF. The birtherism thing started on a puma email chain by Clinton supporters.

McCain’s supporters didn’t pick it up until later (which was also dumb because McCain also was not born in the US).

https://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/

Believing political fact checkers on today, of all days.  :snoop
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« Reply #40513 on: August 31, 2019, 09:28:23 PM »
McCain’s supporters didn’t pick it up until later (which was also dumb because McCain also was not born in the US).

https://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/

The conspiracy was posted on FreeRepublic before the email surfaced.

Sorry.

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« Reply #40514 on: August 31, 2019, 09:29:51 PM »
Mandy clearly needs someone to fight with, should we bring back et or assi?

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« Reply #40515 on: August 31, 2019, 09:30:20 PM »
McCain’s supporters didn’t pick it up until later (which was also dumb because McCain also was not born in the US).

https://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/

The conspiracy was posted on FreeRepublic before the email surfaced.

Sorry.

It was first popularized among PUMAs.

This isn’t really in dispute. Actual news organizations have reported it, presumably they did some fact checking.

Edit: the image might have first appeared in conservative circles. But it’s also true that PUMAs openly promoted the conspiracy theory very close to the beginning.

Edit 2: try to dig into the way back machine to see what I could learn about the free republic angle. From what I can find. Larry Johnson (pro Clinton blogger) was blogging about Barry Muhammad Soetero being possibly born in Kenya in March or April 2008 on Noquarterusa (this site is gone now, and wayback machine is not very well populated for it).

The first forum thread topic on “is Obama actually born in Kenya”  on Freerepublic was not until June 2008. May have been isolated posts earlier, but fringe Clintonistas were actively spreading it months before the freepers actually started to take it seriously as a group.

Bottom line is that Hillary Rodham Clibton hatched a scheme with Sidney Blumenthal and Saul Alinsky to enlist  loyal democrat, Donald J Trump to Swift boat Obama as being born in Kenya.

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« Reply #40516 on: August 31, 2019, 09:31:57 PM »
Ideology death toll talk is the best because regular "non-fascist" liberalism comes out like teflon :rejoice
libertarianism never leading to any deaths because it's never truly been implemented anywhere :jeb

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« Reply #40517 on: August 31, 2019, 09:56:54 PM »
Well I've read the first paragraph

okay now read the second one

I have, not seeing it still. That sentence in the first paragraph seems mostly as an introduction for the fourth one. Which is about drawing some commonality of methods & intents and a willingness to become practical bedfellows between dictatorships, then and now. Which doesn't amount explicitly or implicitly to Holocaust denialism. The second paragraph, invoking Goebbels, is an introduction for the later point about mass communication (and racism, duh).

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« Reply #40519 on: August 31, 2019, 11:00:38 PM »
In Somalia all the deaths were caused by people trying to re-establish the state. That just proves our point!

It keeps happening!
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« Reply #40522 on: September 01, 2019, 10:00:42 AM »


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« Reply #40524 on: September 01, 2019, 12:05:13 PM »
Does one of the possibly affected Republican politicians rhyme with Ronald Rump?
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« Reply #40525 on: September 01, 2019, 12:47:07 PM »
Does one of the possibly affected Republican politicians rhyme with Ronald Rump?
I don't think the filters would catch on to him actually. All he ever does is complain about the media, FBI and retweet Fox News.

Or hype up natural disasters like today's hurricane.  :trumps
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« Reply #40526 on: September 01, 2019, 01:23:17 PM »
Does one of the possibly affected Republican politicians rhyme with Ronald Rump?
I don't think the filters would catch on to him actually. All he ever does is complain about the media, FBI and retweet Fox News.

Or hype up natural disasters like today's hurricane.  :trumps

How can you know all of that and not mention the multiple times he quoted or retweeted far right and white nationalists groups?

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« Reply #40527 on: September 01, 2019, 01:35:03 PM »
He has a selective memory about these things. And no shame whatsoever. :hitler

This one stuck in my mind as quintessential Nintex:
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As for Bolsonaro. When you dig into the details you figure out that his most controversial statements were made on a television show that specifically had him on to say those controversial things.
http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=41489.msg2521825#msg2521825

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« Reply #40528 on: September 01, 2019, 02:03:53 PM »
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/henrygomez/pete-buttigieg-2020-campaign-phase?__twitter_impression=true



Pete Buttigieg Has Cooled Off But His Campaign Says It’s Time For “Phase Three”




Mayo Pete relaunch  :rejoice

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« Reply #40529 on: September 01, 2019, 02:22:40 PM »
Can't wait for Buttigeig: Endgame.
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« Reply #40530 on: September 01, 2019, 02:47:21 PM »
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xwq4k/biden-had-said-he-worked-the-coal-mines-was-shot-at-in-iraq-and-marched-in-the-civil-rights-movement-he-has-not-done-those-things

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« Reply #40531 on: September 01, 2019, 02:48:41 PM »
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/henrygomez/pete-buttigieg-2020-campaign-phase?__twitter_impression=true



Pete Buttigieg Has Cooled Off But His Campaign Says It’s Time For “Phase Three”




Mayo Pete relaunch  :rejoice


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“My own take is that we’ll probably have the Sanders and Warren supporters consolidate at some point,” Evan Bayh, a former Indiana senator who flirted with a presidential run in 2008 and plans to donate to Buttigieg and other candidates, told BuzzFeed News. “At some point you’ll have a candidate of the left. [Biden] will be the candidate of the center left. There’s still room for a player to be named later. Pete was that candidate for a while. Then it was Kamala Harris. There’s room on that stage for one more.”


Where the hell is that supposed to put Buttigieg? To the right of Biden?  :lol

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« Reply #40533 on: September 01, 2019, 04:17:44 PM »


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« Reply #40534 on: September 01, 2019, 04:21:11 PM »
hatistys  ;)
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« Reply #40535 on: September 01, 2019, 05:09:46 PM »
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« Reply #40539 on: September 02, 2019, 01:47:19 PM »
More proof we're living in a simulation that is now testing what would happen if half the world was extremely woke.
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« Reply #40541 on: September 02, 2019, 02:00:33 PM »
Trump's just mad he couldn't even run an AFL team.
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« Reply #40543 on: September 02, 2019, 02:06:55 PM »
More proof we're living in a simulation that is now testing what would happen if half the world was extremely woke.

that's not extremely woke dumdum, the people responding to that video indignantly are mostly boomers, centrists and wine moms. Not the  :social bogeyman you imagine.

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« Reply #40544 on: September 02, 2019, 02:08:58 PM »

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« Reply #40546 on: September 02, 2019, 03:29:39 PM »
https://twitter.com/BrianAbrams/status/1168235828465807362

I can’t believe people thought this was real.

Of course it’s doctored dummies. That’s the fucking joke.

Edit: must be the same people that believed the NX controller leak.

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« Reply #40548 on: September 02, 2019, 05:56:56 PM »
Guess the Secret Service didn't go golfing?  :doge

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1168642253612441600
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« Reply #40549 on: September 02, 2019, 07:52:06 PM »
Remember when Fox News et al complained about Obama not being in the Oval House 24/7 when something was happening out in the world?
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« Reply #40551 on: September 02, 2019, 10:42:28 PM »
Remember when Fox News et al complained about Obama not being in the Oval House 24/7 when something was happening out in the world?

They knew that Obama was somewhat competent so felt safer when he was working.

We actually want Trump on the golf course as much as possible.

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« Reply #40553 on: September 02, 2019, 11:13:01 PM »
Clinton Kill Count Warning Alert:
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“It was legitimate to say ‘Top 5’ for a long time, but with the exception of Kamala Harris being at the outer perimeter of the top three … you’d have to have a strange confluence of events for someone outside those four to win,” said Philippe Reines, a longtime Hillary Clinton confidant. “It would require all four failing. Like, you would need all four of them to be in a plane crash or something.

For every other candidate, Reines said, “It’s too late in the game to keep saying it’s too early.”


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« Reply #40555 on: September 02, 2019, 11:20:11 PM »
Pete Buttigieg, who has dazzled Democratic donors but plateaued in the polls, plans to accelerate his presidential campaign in the coming weeks, with a concerted push to transform his fundraising success into fastened support in the early nominating states.

The South Bend mayor’s campaign is expected to announce in the coming days a flurry of staffing hires and new office openings in Iowa and New Hampshire, as well as a director of African-American engagement, who will be crucial to outreach in South Carolina and other southern states that follow.

“Labor Day for us is really going to be a turning point,” said Mike Schmuhl, Buttigieg’s campaign manager. “It’s when we’ll flip the switch.”

By the end of September, the campaign will have 100 staffers in Iowa alone, according to Schmuhl, meaning Buttigieg with have one of the largest 2020 teams there. His Labor Day visit marks his eighth to Iowa since July, signaling a more intense commitment to the state.

The Iowa-centric surge will be accompanied by a gradual increase in paid advertising as Buttigieg works to become as familiar to voters as his longer-established rivals. Internally, the campaign is dubbing the blitz the “Pete Wave.”
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“It’s not enough to be well-liked. You’ve got to get people invested in him to be president,” said Lis Smith, Buttigieg’s senior communications adviser. But the campaign sees opportunity in the fact that approximately a quarter of Democrats still don’t know Buttigieg.

“People’s votes are not locked in,” Smith added. “Now’s the time we’ve got to start converting.”
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“I think he’s got an uphill struggle. He’s up against three well-known and boisterous candidates,” said Karen Pontremoli, a former chief of staff to Ross Perot who gave the maximum donation to Buttigieg during a Martha’s Vineyard fundraiser

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« Reply #40556 on: September 02, 2019, 11:23:02 PM »
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“Do we want to hand over the reins to just another Washington politician?,” asked [campaign manager] Schmuhl. “As the field winnows, outside of Andrew Yang, Pete’s the one person in the top tier who doesn’t have D.C experience. And I think that’s a good thing.”

Schmuhl also telegraphed that while Buttigieg represents a return to civility to politics, he also realizes the other component crucial to success is “having a little sharper elbow to compete in this primary and then take the fight to Donald Trump.”
wow, he's going to attack Trump?!?

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« Reply #40557 on: September 02, 2019, 11:25:07 PM »
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“He’s nice, but who the hell is he? … He’ll have his time. There’s no urgency to make Pete Buttigieg president,” said Jeff Silberman, the president of a California real estate company who gave the maximum contribution to Buttigieg but explained the factors holding him back.

“Odds are we’re probably going to end up with Joe Biden as our next president,” Silberman added. “I think Pete will have his day in national office, if not president, maybe vice president, maybe a Cabinet office, maybe a senator.”
man, with supporters like these

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« Reply #40558 on: September 02, 2019, 11:33:31 PM »
https://twitter.com/BrianAbrams/status/1168235828465807362

This hurt a lot of people.


and so forth.
https://twitter.com/BrianAbrams/status/1168235828465807362

I can’t believe people thought this was real.

Of course it’s doctored dummies. That’s the fucking joke.

Edit: must be the same people that believed the NX controller leak.
this person is the winner, especially for tagging in @TwitterSupport:
https://twitter.com/BedlamUSA/status/1168308402713432064
https://twitter.com/BedlamUSA/status/1168505100924608513

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