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[TVC15]

Summary for Mandark (whole post here):

TLDR it's a generous public option plan with cost cutting measures that expands the OG Medicare, Medicaid, and a new "Medicare for All Public Option" until everything is consolidated in her third year.

Anti-corruption:
    - close revolving door
    - huge tax on corporate lobbying ($500k - $1m: 35%, $1m - $5m: 65%, $5m+: 75%)
    - complete ban on direct corporate donations and fundraising for politicians
- undo Trump sabotage of ACA (there's a list but you already know what these are)
- executive orders:
    - lower drug prices, march-in authority under Bayh-Dole
    - make ACA tax credits available to everyone
    - employer rebates from insurance companies must go directly to employee
- remove some federal obstacles to medicaid expansion
- break up Big Hospital
- budget reconciliation to
    - improve Medicare and lower age threshold to 50
    - for everyone else, new public option that's free for children and families at 200% of poverty level
    - public option has automatic enrollment
- states get funding passthrough waivers to try singlepayer model if they want
- $100 billion over ten years in mandatory NIH spending
- Medicare for All legislation happens in 3rd year of term

There's an explicit expectation here that by the time her 3rd year rolls around "the number of people insured by private companies will be quite low".

But the second there would be any movement in the first two years, the Republican propaganda machine would kick in and give them wins in midterms. This plan isn’t realistic at all if you’ve lived during the past decade. It’s fanfic.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1195500061721026560

Trump retweeting his meme friends again 

[shosta]

But the second there would be any movement in the first two years, the Republican propaganda machine would kick in and give them wins in midterms. This plan isn’t realistic at all if you’ve lived during the past decade. It’s fanfic.

If you expand coverage over two years it will be almost impossible for someone else to roll things back. Look at the Affordable Care Act.

[agrajag]

single payer will be an afterthought by year three and silently kicked under the rug, much like the General Motors EV1 in the 90's. Under the guise "it's not feasible," plus the Warren reelection campaign will be in full swing. She will not campaign on M4A for reelection. You suckers will be had. Of course, some of you are perfectly fine with a public option, but that's none of my business.

https://www.thestreet.com/markets/united-health-shares-jump-warren-more-moderate-medicare-plan-15169944

you love to see it

[TVC15]

But the second there would be any movement in the first two years, the Republican propaganda machine would kick in and give them wins in midterms. This plan isn’t realistic at all if you’ve lived during the past decade. It’s fanfic.

If you expand coverage over two years it will be almost impossible for someone else to roll things back. Look at the Affordable Care Act.

Wouldn’t it be easy for Republicans to tie any of that up in courts though?

[Mandark]

But the second there would be any movement in the first two years, the Republican propaganda machine would kick in and give them wins in midterms. This plan isn’t realistic at all if you’ve lived during the past decade. It’s fanfic.

If you expand coverage over two years it will be almost impossible for someone else to roll things back. Look at the Affordable Care Act.

Alternately, the ACA is a good lesson to pass something right away even if the implementation is delayed.

You're right that the GOP wouldn't be able to roll back new coverage, but TVC's right that you're not passing any meaningful healthcare legislation in hypothetical president Warren's third year.

[shosta]

Wouldn’t it be easy for Republicans to tie any of that up in courts though?

Tie what up?

[Mandark]

single payer will be an afterthought by year three and silently kicked under the rug, much like the General Motors EV1 in the 90's. Under the guise "it's not feasible," plus the Warren reelection campaign will be in full swing. She will not campaign on M4A for reelection. You suckers will be had. Of course, some of you are perfectly fine with a public option, but that's none of my business.

https://www.thestreet.com/markets/united-health-shares-jump-warren-more-moderate-medicare-plan-15169944

you love to see it

you didn't even know what a "public option" meant until I explained it to you

calm down

[team filler]

the aca couldn't be rolled back because there's too much money behind it. tens of billions in profit for pharma and insurance companies every year, what expense would be too much for them to keep that sweet federal funding secure? how many trumplicans went down for just the threat to that money flow?

[agrajag]

that was shosta

[agrajag]

also, fuck off mandork

[Mandark]

I can't tell you apart and you were both wrong

[TVC15]

Wouldn’t it be easy for Republicans to tie any of that up in courts though?

Tie what up?

Any of the things that have to happen in the first two years to expand coverage. Don’t Republicans just have to get lucky with a couple of complaints to federal courts, which they’re going to own for a longass time?

[agrajag]

filler is a beloved denizen of The Bire, that isn't an insult

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[Mandark]

Wouldn’t it be easy for Republicans to tie any of that up in courts though?

Tie what up?

Any of the things that have to happen in the first two years to expand coverage. Don’t Republicans just have to get lucky with a couple of complaints to federal courts, which they’re going to own for a longass time?

Some of the lawsuits against the ACA have gotten traction despite being absolutely ludicrous on their faces (thinking King vs. Burwell).

The survival of any progressive/socdem/whatever legislation is going to depend on John Roberts' sense of shame and that's not a great place to be.

[shosta]

You're right that the GOP wouldn't be able to roll back new coverage, but TVC's right that you're not passing any meaningful healthcare legislation in hypothetical president Warren's third year.

I think this boils down to which you think is a bigger risk: the institutional and popular resistance to singlepayer right now (which is what you need to overcome to win both the primary and the general) or the Republican counterattack in 2022. Warren and her campaign have clearly been feeling enough pressure lately that she wants to retreat and lay the foundation for a new consensus, backed by broad popular support. Get people on a public option, expand Medicare, BAN THE LOBBYISTS AND KILL THEM, etc. And the benefit of this strategy is that even if she loses, she irreversibly expands coverage in the meantime.

[TVC15]

This country is such a shithole

[Mandark]

The argument I buy: this is something you can plausibly get 50 votes for, it will be a material benefit to millions of people, it will be almost impossible politically to roll back.

What I don't buy: we can pass legislation to build on that after the midterms.


We're in a world dominated by negative partisanship where midterm backlash is inevitable and Republicans in Congress are never going to hand a Democratic president 1) a big legislative win that 2) vastly expands the government's role in providing health insurance. Maybe the public option/Medicare expansion puts us on a glide path to single payer, but after the Republican party's decade-long fight against the ACA I'm not gonna be too sanguine about that.

[curly]

Yeah but your analysis fails to account for the protracted people's war that will start in 2021.

[TVC15]

Also, even though Warren is currently my candidate, I still haven’t forgotten the DNA test stunt, so I’m just assuming there are a couple of boneheaded moves and omissions in that list of things that I don’t have the tools to spot.

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/RoigFranzia/status/1098919160497745922

Remember when CNN had a guy go on air that Roger Stone is a Dandy and going to get raped in prison?

Edit: They still had the guy comment on Stone after his conviction .

https://twitter.com/AC360/status/1195518054161113088

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pence so jealous rn 

[team filler]

https://www.thestreet.com/markets/united-health-shares-jump-warren-more-moderate-medicare-plan-15169944

Shares of UnitedHealth Group (UNH - Get Report) rose sharply on Friday after Senator Elizabeth Warren's recently-released Medicare for All plan was coming to be viewed as more moderate and favorable to health care insurers.

[agrajag]

again, filler?

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[agrajag]

it's official, filler doesn't read my posts

[team filler]

can't like this many posts and read them all too 

[TVC15]

Roger Stone is def gonna be gobbling hogs but he'll be the initiator. No doubts about that.

This post and a long commute inspired me to try and edit a Mary Worth strip character into representing Roger's first night in prison. I'm finally almost home, so I'm quitting. If anyone wants to continue hacking poor Wilbur into Roger Stone, please do. I'd appreciate it. You'd be gluing the arms onto my Venus de Milo.



I know my art skills teh sucks. The flip side is that Wilbur is -really easy- source material for when they finally arrest Dick Cheney.

[TVC15]

Gotta hand it to Dick--real evil is truly awe-inspiring to witness. I wish I could shoot a guy in the face and then have him apologize to me. I wish that every night going to sleep.

[Trent Dole]

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/1195534885848526849
DAOU

[OnlyRegret]

cant believe that dna test flop she pulled 

it's official, filler doesn't read my posts

it's okay, reading is elitist shit

[Nintex]

Gotta hand it to Dick--real evil is truly awe-inspiring to witness. I wish I could shoot a guy in the face and then have him apologize to me. I wish that every night going to sleep.

Not to mention they even made a movie about it 

An inspiration to us all

[VomKriege]

Out of the never ending gallery of hacks and freaks the Trump administration shits every other day, Roger Stone is certainly one of the few that qualify as a character. Sentenced on all counts ? Good.

[agrajag]

https://twitter.com/joshieecs/status/1195586880978464768

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/joshieecs/status/1195586880978464768

... so?

If there's a public option, Health Insurance companies can be even more confident on off loading their sicker users to the government, which would increase their profit margins.

[agrajag]

Dufus loves corporate bloodsuckers.

[agrajag]

the tweet suggests that the insurance markets reacted to her insurance plan.

[Tripon]

stocks go up and down for the dumbest reasons

that tweet suggests warren is a corporate shill

come the fuck on

The tweet doesn't suggest she's a corporate shill. The news that Warren is open to keeping the current structure of the insurance industry is why insurance corporations reacted positively to it.

[Tripon]

why would insurance markets react to plans from a presidential candidate this far out from the primaries and general election? she's not even the nominee or anything

and even if she were president, when u propose shit, it can get watered down in the senate or whatever

shit makes no sense

spoiler (click to show/hide)

sanders ain't getting the nomination btw

[close]

You just said it, now it's only one person (Sanders) who is advocating to change whole sale of the current model we have for health insurance. And if you think Sanders isn't getting the nomination, then there is no market uncertainty to wholesale change to the industry. You can buy stock in Health insurance companies with more confidence.

[agrajag]

no bro, totally random bro

[Mandark]

UnitedHealth, HCA Break Out As Health Care Stocks Jump For Trump Medical Price Transparency

Health-care stocks rise as Trump talks new price disclosure rules for hospitals and insurers

[Mandark]

Promote socialism by affirming the rationality and wisdom of securities markets, brehs.

[benjipwns]

Wrong! I’m perfectly sane. Everyone else, however, is insane and trying to steal my magic bag.

[Nintex]

We call him Crazy Bernie for a reason. 

[Mandark]

don't say "we" like you have friends

[Tripon]

UnitedHealth, HCA Break Out As Health Care Stocks Jump For Trump Medical Price Transparency

Health-care stocks rise as Trump talks new price disclosure rules for hospitals and insurers

Huh, okay.

[VomKriege]

Markets huh !? Amirite fellas ?

[Tasty]

thats what u fucks get for using twitter as a news source

bernie bros are literally, clinically insane

My strategy for a few weeks has been to just let the Berniebros ITT play themselves out

[OnlyRegret]

thankfully I've got 3 other Dem candidates to entertain myself with

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will be a good laugh watching the dem establishment candidate lose to trump again    rich liberals will never learn 

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"he is even worse than a boomer, he is - may allah
forgive me for uttering this word - a rich liberal!"

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#toofarleft

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1195806512213565441

In preparation of the 2020 campaign, Trump is heading to Walter Reed on a free saturday 

Someone added this emoji just in time

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[Nintex]

(Image removed from quote.)

That was a weird season with a stellar cast

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https://twitter.com/CarlBeijer/status/1195788710136205312

 

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1195711768812761088

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1195711771333582855

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1195711773086748672

Somehow missed this

This is a witch hunt, leave the bois alone

[Tasty]

9 filler-nintex political posts in a row