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« Reply #46560 on: November 13, 2019, 05:23:43 PM »
Your people are guilty too

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There's something wrong with you if you think this is an appropriate response to what I said.
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« Reply #46561 on: November 13, 2019, 05:25:58 PM »
cacs gonna cac

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« Reply #46562 on: November 13, 2019, 05:27:20 PM »
James, there is no shame in admitting when you were wrong. It actually makes you a better person.
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« Reply #46563 on: November 13, 2019, 05:38:22 PM »
https://twitter.com/100_Disable_vet/status/1194726981667086341

sleepy joe and mayo buttplug  :pacspit


Why would bernie care about impeachment proceedings when he's gonna be next POTUS?

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« Reply #46564 on: November 13, 2019, 05:41:21 PM »
Whatever you do james. Do not give in, double down and never surrender to the communists.

Read the first letter of all the tweets  :o
https://twitter.com/RepGosar/status/1194708768149430272
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« Reply #46565 on: November 13, 2019, 05:45:20 PM »
Your people are guilty too

 :bolo
There's something wrong with you if you think this is an appropriate response to what I said.

Trump is president and you accuse me of being the problem

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« Reply #46566 on: November 13, 2019, 05:48:13 PM »
the joe biden defense


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« Reply #46568 on: November 13, 2019, 09:37:15 PM »
She's right, public education is a fascist indoctrination construct derived from the capitalist that run dictatorships.


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« Reply #46570 on: November 13, 2019, 10:19:49 PM »
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« Reply #46571 on: November 13, 2019, 10:35:20 PM »
gabbard, sanders, yang all that's missing is the Love General for faves
not surprised by the Sanders presence, it's funny if anything

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« Reply #46572 on: November 13, 2019, 11:05:49 PM »
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The Young Turks founder Cenk Uygur filed Wednesday to run for the House seat vacated by former Rep. Katie Hill (D-Calif.), who resigned following a House Ethics Committee investigation into her inappropriate sexual relationships with staffers.

An FEC filing dated Wednesday announces the formation of the "Cenk for Congress" committee, with Uygur listed as the group's treasurer. Uygur addressed the filing on Twitter, writing: "To all reporters: No comment."

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/470409-tyts-cenk-uygur-files-to-run-for-katie-hills-house-seat

https://twitter.com/cenkuygur/status/1194743696287133696

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« Reply #46573 on: November 13, 2019, 11:14:31 PM »
I'd vote for Cenk if only for, how do they say it, the "fuckery"
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« Reply #46574 on: November 13, 2019, 11:17:24 PM »
 :yuck


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« Reply #46576 on: November 13, 2019, 11:49:54 PM »
I'd vote for Cenk if only for, how do they say it, the "fuckery"

That's how we got Trump!

In other news:

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1194693256745046016
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« Reply #46579 on: November 14, 2019, 12:07:30 AM »
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« Reply #46582 on: November 14, 2019, 02:41:40 AM »


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« Reply #46585 on: November 14, 2019, 04:37:15 AM »
The shittiest candidate ever says more dumb awful shit.
What is there that we can do to make Hillary shut the fuck up and go the fuck away for fucking ever. :maf
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« Reply #46586 on: November 14, 2019, 09:53:44 AM »
trump wanted to lock her up but noooooooooooooooo. you people deserve this.

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« Reply #46587 on: November 14, 2019, 10:50:45 AM »
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« Reply #46588 on: November 14, 2019, 12:02:21 PM »
Upside down world is so weird
GOP: Russia is no threat  :smug
Democrats: Russia! Russia! Russia  :shaking

https://twitter.com/EdwardTHardy/status/1194948092291739649


Carlson is right through, there's nothing the Russians can do that will greatly upset the balance of power.

Russian interests in Syria?
They might get influence over bombed out cities and a regime already allied with them.

Russian interests in Ukraine?
Ukraine has been a Russian sattelite state for decades.
Imagine Russia getting influence over a country of which one third of the population speaks Russian.

A real danger is Russia getting a foothold in the Baltics and/or Russia's botched up coup attempts like Montenegro and killing critics and enemies abroad.
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« Reply #46589 on: November 14, 2019, 12:22:23 PM »
https://twitter.com/EdwardTHardy/status/1194948092291739649

Yeah nothing to be worried about, they just hold the world's largest supply of nuclear weapons and are a constant menace to our NATO allies.

But sure, totally harmless.

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« Reply #46590 on: November 14, 2019, 12:30:20 PM »
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1194759960686714881

kill me

I wonder which ones  :thinking
Doesn't this already happen state by state? Democrat senators from West Virginia, Indiana, or Montana are much more conservative than senators from California or New York.

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« Reply #46591 on: November 14, 2019, 12:34:59 PM »
Russian interests in Ukraine?
Ukraine has been a Russian sattelite state for decades.
Is it now?
By choice?
Did that always work out for Ukraine?

Imagine Russia getting influence over a country of which one third of the population speaks Russian.
By influence over do you mean waging war and annexation? Imagine Germany getting influence over a country (Czechoslovak Republic) of which one-quarter of the population speaks German!

What about the UK and every English-speaking country? Spain and most of Latin America. If ethnicity is also important, what right does Mexico have in relation to the US Southwest?


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« Reply #46592 on: November 14, 2019, 12:36:39 PM »
Black people have fucked us for a generation.
I don't know why you think this is a cheeky or cute thing to post but it's neither.

Your people are guilty too

 :bolo

What do you mean by "you people?"

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« Reply #46593 on: November 14, 2019, 12:40:06 PM »
https://twitter.com/EdwardTHardy/status/1194948092291739649

Yeah nothing to be worried about, they just hold the world's largest supply of nuclear weapons
They've had those since the 50's and people crazier than Putin have controlled them.

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and are a constant menace to our NATO allies.
They mostly screw around in areas that they used to control only a short while ago.

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But sure, totally harmless.
The point is not: "Russia is totally harmless" as no countries with geopolitical ambitions are entirely harmless.

The point is: "Russia poses no threat to the United States"

Which is true and why Mitt Romney was laughed at when he claimed otherwise.
China is currently a much bigger threat than Russia will ever be.

I can see why Russia poses a threat to Ukraine or could pose a threat to a country like Finland but what threat does Russia pose to the US?

Russian interests in Ukraine?
Ukraine has been a Russian sattelite state for decades.
Is it now?
By choice?
Did that always work out for Ukraine?

Imagine Russia getting influence over a country of which one third of the population speaks Russian.
By influence over do you mean waging war and annexation? Imagine Germany getting influence over a country (Czechoslovak Republic) of which one-quarter of the population speaks German!

What about the UK and every English-speaking country? Spain and most of Latin America. If ethnicity is also important, what right does Mexico have in relation to the US Southwest?
Imagine if China staged a coup in Mexico. How fast would the US send in the tanks?
Ukraine is seen as Russia's backyard. The EU/US tried to 'free' it from Russia's influence for decades.
First with the Orange Revolution, which didn't turn out so well. Then with the Maidan revolution, which also didn't turn out so well.
You can't extend the reach of NATO and the EU to the border of Russia and not expect a backlash from Russia.
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« Reply #46594 on: November 14, 2019, 12:46:02 PM »
I'd vote for Cenk if only for, how do they say it, the "fuckery"

That's how we got Trump!

In other news:

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1194693256745046016

https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/dvu85u/aoc_plays_league_of_legends/

As expected, "gamers"/Trump voters are SEETHING because they know they'll never hit that rank.

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« Reply #46595 on: November 14, 2019, 01:09:45 PM »
Imagine if China staged a coup in Mexico. How fast would the US send in the tanks?
Which country helped stage a coup in Ukraine? The United States? I'm not up on conspiracy theories.

Anyway, if Mexico's chamber voted 328–0 to schedule a presidential election after the president fled to the US after shooting hundreds of protesters at the urging of the US, then I hope the US would not send in tanks, but it's not clear with America's history in Latin America.


You can't extend the reach of NATO and the EU to the border of Russia and not expect a backlash from Russia.
A sovereign country, if it so chooses, cannot become a member or an organization or political and economic union unless a third country, which is a member of neither, approves?



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« Reply #46596 on: November 14, 2019, 01:21:02 PM »
Imagine if China staged a coup in Mexico. How fast would the US send in the tanks?
Which country helped stage a coup in Ukraine? The United States? I'm not up on conspiracy theories.

Anyway, if Mexico's chamber voted 328–0 to schedule a presidential election after the president fled to the US after shooting hundreds of protesters at the urging of the US, then I hope the US would not send in tanks, but it's not clear with America's history in Latin America.


You can't extend the reach of NATO and the EU to the border of Russia and not expect a backlash from Russia.
A sovereign country, if it so chooses, cannot become a member or an organization or political and economic union unless a third country, which is a member of neither, approves?
The parties involved knew they were playing with fire.
Just because you don't agree with Russian influence in Ukraine doesn't mean you can just pretend it doesn't exist.
The same as that you can't pretend that the most influential US diplomat yelled "FUCK THE EU" on the phone when warned about her actions undermining diplomacy and that pro-EU factions fielded Neo Nazi's do to their dirty work.

The people who set this in motion knew it was going to be messy. Yet, there was never a vote on it in any of the democracies.
"Do we want to upset Russia and the status quo and have Ukraine join us? Y/N?"

Whatever the good intentions it completely escalated. Russia cannot solely be blamed for that mess.
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« Reply #46597 on: November 14, 2019, 01:41:36 PM »
fact check: nintex is a serial rapist

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« Reply #46598 on: November 14, 2019, 02:16:59 PM »
Imagine if China staged a coup in Mexico. How fast would the US send in the tanks?
Which country helped stage a coup in Ukraine? The United States? I'm not up on conspiracy theories.

Anyway, if Mexico's chamber voted 328–0 to schedule a presidential election after the president fled to the US after shooting hundreds of protesters at the urging of the US, then I hope the US would not send in tanks, but it's not clear with America's history in Latin America.


You can't extend the reach of NATO and the EU to the border of Russia and not expect a backlash from Russia.
A sovereign country, if it so chooses, cannot become a member or an organization or political and economic union unless a third country, which is a member of neither, approves?

of course they can, but only in the same way a sovereign state can choose to store a russian nucelar arsenal on their territory in exchange for financial aid if they so choose.


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« Reply #46599 on: November 14, 2019, 02:46:20 PM »
Warren on her store has a mug that has “billionaire tears” written on it.

Not sure where to place it on the terrible campaign merchandise scale

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« Reply #46600 on: November 14, 2019, 02:47:07 PM »
Keep sucking that Russian D Nintex.

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« Reply #46601 on: November 14, 2019, 02:57:00 PM »
Warren on her store has a mug that has “billionaire tears” written on it.

Not sure where to place it on the terrible campaign merchandise scale
tears of joy, they keep donating to her campaign  :lol
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« Reply #46602 on: November 14, 2019, 03:03:55 PM »
I thought Deval Patrick would put a dent in Warren, Biden and Butti's #s, but he sounds like a real shitbird that's getting exposed very quickly and will likely be a non-factor.

https://twitter.com/mldauber/status/1194992096022683648

https://twitter.com/lwoodhouse/status/1194846242292916227

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« Reply #46603 on: November 14, 2019, 03:20:54 PM »
The only two words that matter with Deval are "Bain Capital"
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« Reply #46604 on: November 14, 2019, 03:44:16 PM »
Imagine if China staged a coup in Mexico. How fast would the US send in the tanks?
Which country helped stage a coup in Ukraine? The United States? I'm not up on conspiracy theories.

Anyway, if Mexico's chamber voted 328–0 to schedule a presidential election after the president fled to the US after shooting hundreds of protesters at the urging of the US, then I hope the US would not send in tanks, but it's not clear with America's history in Latin America.


You can't extend the reach of NATO and the EU to the border of Russia and not expect a backlash from Russia.
A sovereign country, if it so chooses, cannot become a member or an organization or political and economic union unless a third country, which is a member of neither, approves?

of course they can, but only in the same way a sovereign state can choose to store a russian nucelar arsenal on their territory in exchange for financial aid if they so choose.
Ukraine would not have nuclear weapons located 90 miles from the Russian border just by becoming a member of NATO or the EU. Five countries that are both members of NATO and members of the EU already border Russia. Why would Ukraine be a special case?

It was more dangerous for the US to have Soviet missiles pointed at it from 90 miles away during the middle of the Cold War than it is for Russia to have a sixth bordering country join organizations of mostly liberal democracies.

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« Reply #46605 on: November 14, 2019, 03:52:09 PM »
Attempt to seriously engage with Nintex about politics, brehs.
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« Reply #46606 on: November 14, 2019, 03:53:14 PM »
Attempt to seriously engage with Nintex about politics, brehs.

Yupppp :lol

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« Reply #46607 on: November 14, 2019, 04:02:21 PM »
Imagine if China staged a coup in Mexico. How fast would the US send in the tanks?
Which country helped stage a coup in Ukraine? The United States? I'm not up on conspiracy theories.

Anyway, if Mexico's chamber voted 328–0 to schedule a presidential election after the president fled to the US after shooting hundreds of protesters at the urging of the US, then I hope the US would not send in tanks, but it's not clear with America's history in Latin America.


You can't extend the reach of NATO and the EU to the border of Russia and not expect a backlash from Russia.
A sovereign country, if it so chooses, cannot become a member or an organization or political and economic union unless a third country, which is a member of neither, approves?

of course they can, but only in the same way a sovereign state can choose to store a russian nucelar arsenal on their territory in exchange for financial aid if they so choose.
Ukraine would not have nuclear weapons located 90 miles from the Russian border just by becoming a member of NATO or the EU. Five countries that are both members of NATO and members of the EU already border Russia. Why would Ukraine be a special case?

It was more dangerous for the US to have Soviet missiles pointed at it from 90 miles away during the middle of the Cold War than it is for Russia to have a sixth bordering country join organizations of mostly liberal democracies.

Not from the russkies point of view, obviously.
And Ukraine isn't a special case. They were just to weak after the wall fell to stop the baltic states from joining, and i'm sure the same goes for the two other member states, but i don't know which ones you mean.
Finland wanted to remain on friendly terms with the russkies, and so they haven't joined. And they were historically more in Swedens zone of influence (or rather, actually part of Sweden) than Russias.

Norway does border, so i guess they are the special case because they aren't in Russias sphere of influence.
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« Reply #46608 on: November 14, 2019, 04:33:47 PM »
Attempt to seriously engage with Nintex about politics, brehs.
Is Jorma also nintex?


Not from the russkies point of view, obviously.
And Ukraine isn't a special case. They were just to weak after the wall fell to stop the baltic states from joining, and i'm sure the same goes for the two other member states, but i don't know which ones you mean.
Finland wanted to remain on friendly terms with the russkies, and so they haven't joined. And they were historically more in Swedens zone of influence (or rather, actually part of Sweden) than Russias.

Norway does border, so i guess they are the special case because they aren't in Russias sphere of influence.

NATO countries bordering on Russia are Norway (joined 1949), Poland (1999), Estonia (2004), Latvia (2004), Lithuania (2004). The latter four were all in Russia's sphere of influence. Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania were in the USSR and Poland was a satellite state of the Soviet Union. So why not Ukraine?

The Baltic states joined fifteen years after the fall of the Berlin wall. Was Russia still too weak? Was Putin not President? It's been fifteen years since these Baltic states have joined (20 if you count Poland). During these years, what acts of aggression have they committed against Russia? None, of course, since NATO is supposed to be a defensive alliance.

EU countries bordering on Russia are Finland (1995), Poland (2004), Estonia (2004), Latvia (2004), Lithuania (2004). The Baltic states (and Poland) joined fifteen years ago. In those fifteen years, what have these countries done to Russia in those fifteen years? Nothing, but there economies have grown tremendously, unlike the economies of Belarus, Ukraine, and Georgia.

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« Reply #46609 on: November 14, 2019, 04:56:27 PM »
Attempt to seriously engage with Nintex about politics, brehs.
Is Jorma also nintex?


Not from the russkies point of view, obviously.
And Ukraine isn't a special case. They were just to weak after the wall fell to stop the baltic states from joining, and i'm sure the same goes for the two other member states, but i don't know which ones you mean.
Finland wanted to remain on friendly terms with the russkies, and so they haven't joined. And they were historically more in Swedens zone of influence (or rather, actually part of Sweden) than Russias.

Norway does border, so i guess they are the special case because they aren't in Russias sphere of influence.

NATO countries bordering on Russia are Norway (joined 1949), Poland (1999), Estonia (2004), Latvia (2004), Lithuania (2004). The latter four were all in Russia's sphere of influence. Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania were in the USSR and Poland was a satellite state of the Soviet Union. So why not Ukraine?

The Baltic states joined fifteen years after the fall of the Berlin wall. Was Russia still too weak? Was Putin not President? It's been fifteen years since these Baltic states have joined (20 if you count Poland). During these years, what acts of aggression have they committed against Russia? None, of course, since NATO is supposed to be a defensive alliance.

EU countries bordering on Russia are Finland (1995), Poland (2004), Estonia (2004), Latvia (2004), Lithuania (2004). The Baltic states (and Poland) joined fifteen years ago. In those fifteen years, what have these countries done to Russia in those fifteen years? Nothing, but there economies have grown tremendously, unlike the economies of Belarus, Ukraine, and Georgia.

well the correct answer to most of this is in the very message you responded to. No, ukraine still isn't a special case, yes the russians are still mad as hell about those four states joining nato, and yes they were too weak to do anything to stop it (besides a lot of whining). Finland could probably join without a massive shitfit, but it would absolutely hamper their trade with Russia in a big way.

and what the flying fuck does the economic state of the baltics compared to georgia have to do with russian military defense interests?  you think they give a shit? :lol

And i'm not stanning for Russia - they aren't the good guys here, just like the US weren't in the 60's. I'm saying you are a bit dumb if you think that they don't feel massively threatened by a potential ukrainian nato membership.


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« Reply #46611 on: November 14, 2019, 05:17:30 PM »
"Trump asks Supreme Court to shield his tax returns from prosecutors, setting up historic separation-of-power showdown"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/trump-asks-supreme-court-to-shield-his-tax-returns-from-prosecutors-setting-up-historic-separation-of-power-showdown/2019/11/14/d7b176a0-04dd-11ea-8292-c46ee8cb3dce_story.html

What separation of power? You so funny.
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« Reply #46613 on: November 14, 2019, 06:33:52 PM »
Flannel you are arguing with a Dutch virgin who takes the side of the American alt-right as it appeals to his edgelord / sociopath tendencies.

FACT CHECK: Nintex posts le epic funny memes from every hard right movement across the globe. except for the 30s fascists of course, appearances have to be maintained.  :hmph
I post funny memes from a variety of sources I can't help that the left can't meme.  :hmph
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« Reply #46614 on: November 14, 2019, 06:55:27 PM »
and what the flying fuck does the economic state of the baltics compared to georgia have to do with russian military defense interests?  you think they give a shit? :lol
No, Russia does not give a shit. But are prosperity, security, and cooperation going to make these countries greater threats to their neighbors, including Russia?

And i'm not stanning for Russia - they aren't the good guys here, just like the US weren't in the 60's. I'm saying you are a bit dumb if you think that they don't feel massively threatened by a potential ukrainian nato membership.
Move the goal posts more. The issue was not whether Russia felt threatened but whether its response was justified. Nintex wrote that "you can't [attempt to] extend the reach of NATO and the EU to the border of Russia and not expect a backlash from Russia." Note: the backlash included waging war and annexing part of the country. And you wrote, in response to whether Ukraine could join NATO (or the EU), "of course they can, but only in the same way a sovereign state can choose to store a russian nucelar arsenal on their territory in exchange for financial aid if they so choose." Your implication seems to be that a military response is justified or at least natural, or at least as justified and natural as the US's response to an attempt to put nuclear weapons 90 miles from its shores. You failed to show how the situations were equivalent.

The government of Russia may feel threatened, but that does not mean there is much of a threat. What have Poland, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania--all either countries formerly part of the USSR or a satellite of the USSR bordering on Russia--done or tried to do to Russia since joining NATO? What would be different with Ukraine?

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« Reply #46615 on: November 14, 2019, 07:06:39 PM »
The general consensus about Ukraine here among historians and pundits in the Netherlands was (and this was before they shot down a commercial airliner) that Russia overreacted much like the US overreacted post 9/11 because
they were shocked at how fast Yanukovich was overthrown by his enemies.

Hardliners in the Russian government had seen how Yanukovich was disposed of within a week or two and were legit worried that Putin and Lukashenko would be next to be toppled within days if the protests would spread to the red square in Russia. Especially because Russia sort of considers Ukraine part of its sphere of influence and the Arab spring had spread like wildfire.
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Romney 2020 - Time to win like a dog!
« Reply #46618 on: November 14, 2019, 07:28:52 PM »
imagine being such a country that your bordering states leapt or leap at the chance to enter a military pact with your rival that is half a globe spin away


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« Reply #46619 on: November 14, 2019, 07:30:10 PM »
Im not sure what thread this belongs in

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