US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[ToxicAdam]

You got to think that if Warren takes 4th in N.H. that would be a mortal blow to her.

[Himu]

the problem is when/if warren flops out, where do her votes go? probably not to berndawg, sadly.

She'll endorse him.

[Himu]

at this point, i like national polls

it makes berniebros think bernie has a chance

Someone explain why someone who lives in Denmark and has all the things that a healthy society benefits from - healthcare for instance - is so against the only American candidate against the full rot of corruption, money, and greed that keeps Americans from being fruitful?

I hope to God that you lose your insurance and your politics are rigged with corporate interests, prick.

[Great Rumbler]

The Democrats should've offered Republicans an off ramp after 2016 for those members of the GOP that hated his guts (and still do).
Siphoning off members and letting them 'off the hook' would've angered some of their woke base but in the long run would've given them the votes needed against Trump.

[Transhuman]

What's a caucus?

[Nintex]

The Democrats should've offered Republicans an off ramp after 2016 for those members of the GOP that hated his guts (and still do).
Siphoning off members and letting them 'off the hook' would've angered some of their woke base but in the long run would've given them the votes needed against Trump.

Laugh all you want but bringing in those Republicans that were against Trump and forming a single front against him would've worked.
It's the lesson in every myth, legend and story. You win by setting aside your differences and working together against a common enemy not alienating everyone that is against you.
When all is said and done even Trump understands this and allied with Ted Cruz against the Democrats.

The Elves, Dwarves, Hobbits, Wizards and Humans can't defeat the Orcs by themselves they need to work together.
But instead the Hobbits call everyone else a racist, the Wizards think the Dragons are to blame and the Elves think they owe the votes of the humans.
The humans meanwhile look at the Orcs thinking, maybe we aren't so different after all.

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[Mandark]

It's the lesson in every myth, legend and story.

never would have thought "jordan peterson but dumber" was possible

[Himu]

Ah yes, bring over the Republicans that are continuously in lockstep. Bring in Never Trumpers like Cruz and Graham.

[Nintex]

Ah yes, bring over the Republicans that are continuously in lockstep. Bring in Never Trumpers like Cruz and Graham.

There's plenty of others up and down the ballot. Even in his own administration.

That's how Berlusconi brought down a government. He simply persuaded 6 social democrats to vote against their own government.

[Trurl]

Republicans that have turned on Trump have generally all been held up by the mainstream media and liberals.  There just aren't very many of them.  What else should have been done? 

Also the conservatives that have defected are all of the opinion maker variety rather than anyone with actual power.  Republican cowardice, the fact that they actually are extremists and the nature of how the two party system in America has sorted itself all prevent anything meaningful to happen here.

I don't think you realize the pickle that the US is in.

[Mandark]

Everyone remembers the Lord of the Rings, when Gandalf rolled back regulations banning mountaintop removal mining in Khazad-dűm, gave the Uruk-hai permission to clear-cut all the Ents, and appointed a Nazgűl as Secretary of Defense, thus winning over moderate "never-Sauron" orcs.

[Himu]

In his own administration, he says.

Now think about that for a moment.

Trump surrounds himself with vultures like Parnas and Bolton that turn on him on a dime. This tells you people in his administration are people of virtue? They're people that seek power and are okay with the corruption until they're tossed out.

They're not reliable allies until well after they're ousted and can profit off it - Parnas so he doesn't get Epstein'd, Bolton so he can sell his book.

[EightBitNate]

the problem is when/if warren flops out, where do her votes go? probably not to berndawg, sadly.

If you’re a Warren supporter and Sanders isn’t your second choice, I question why you support her in the first place.

[nachobro]

because she's a woman

[Mandark]

If you’re a Warren supporter and Sanders isn’t your second choice, I question why you support her in the first place.

A lot of Sanders voters have Biden as their second choice and vice versa. For the longest time they were the #1 second choice for each other's supporters but that might have changed by now.

[Nintex]

Republicans that have turned on Trump have generally all been held up by the mainstream media and liberals.  There just aren't very many of them.  What else should have been done?

Persuade them to jump over from Trump Land to the winning team.
As soon as Trump tanked (and this was very early in his administration), use the opportunity for back channel diplomacy.
But no one made the attempt, and now he's entrenched and actually winning the battles.

I think they could've made a play for Ben Carson, Marco Rubio, Mitt Romney and a bunch of others.
Just say to Romney he can be Secretary of State in the Biden administration and see what happens.
It's what he wanted from Trump and didn't get.

[Brehvolution]

What can't Trump do now?  Is there some government fund that he can use to flood tv with announcements about the evils of socialism?  Can he freely turn any part of the budget to help him with his campaign under the slightest pretense of it being for something else?

republicans love corporate socialism.

The idea that when Bernie wins we lose our property rights and all companies now work for the government is some hilarious shit. But it is somehow the mentality of the average dipshittrump voter.

[Himu]

Everyone remembers the Lord of the Rings, when Gandalf rolled back regulations banning mountaintop removal mining in Khazad-dűm, gave the Uruk-hai permission to clear-cut all the Ents, and appointed a Nazgűl as Secretary of Defense, thus winning over moderate "never-Sauron" orcs.

I also found that example odd.

I guess he thinks Never Trumpers are more like Theoden? That they're redeemable?

[Himu]

Republicans that have turned on Trump have generally all been held up by the mainstream media and liberals.  There just aren't very many of them.  What else should have been done?

Persuade them to jump over from Trump Land to the winning team.
As soon as Trump tanked (and this was very early in his administration), use the opportunity for back channel diplomacy.
But no one made the attempt, and now he's entrenched and actually winning the battles.

I think they could've made a play for Ben Carson, Marco Rubio, Mitt Romney and a bunch of others.
Just say to Romney he can be Secretary of State in the Biden administration and see what happens.

Ben Carson? The man that Trump put on his cabinet?

[Nintex]

Republicans that have turned on Trump have generally all been held up by the mainstream media and liberals.  There just aren't very many of them.  What else should have been done?

Persuade them to jump over from Trump Land to the winning team.
As soon as Trump tanked (and this was very early in his administration), use the opportunity for back channel diplomacy.
But no one made the attempt, and now he's entrenched and actually winning the battles.

I think they could've made a play for Ben Carson, Marco Rubio, Mitt Romney and a bunch of others.
Just say to Romney he can be Secretary of State in the Biden administration and see what happens.

Ben Carson? The man that Trump put on his cabinet?

Just try to get those easily persuaded and/or not bound to the Trump family.
I mean, it doesn't matter how high up the ladder. Trump hates it when people aren't loyal so he becomes paranoid more will leave or defect.
You have to create the trend that Republican members leave the party because Trump hijacked it.
Then it becomes easier for entrenched high profile people to also jump the ship when shit hits the fan.

[Flannel Boy]

the problem is when/if warren flops out, where do her votes go? probably not to berndawg, sadly.

If you’re a Warren supporter and Sanders isn’t your second choice, I question why you support her in the first place.

A lot of people don't have coherent ideologies, and their self-reported ideologies don't strongly influence most of their policy opinions.

Also, I'm sure a lot of people pick candidates based on non-policy reasons.

[Transhuman]

There's no way a voter would be so flippant with their civil duty

[Himu]

My dad supports Warren and says Sanders doesn't know how to work with people.

[Mandark]

My dad supports Warren and says Sanders doesn't know how to work with people.

It sort of follows what the candidates are projecting: Warren will build alliances within the party, Sanders will use populist pressure to pressure or replace Dems who don't get on board, etc.

Of course in real life Sanders has done plenty of traditional compromise politics both within the party and with the GOP, and Warren was seen as a big pain in the ass by certain people in the Obama admin (particularly Treasury). There's a certain amount of kayfabe involved.

[Himu]

My dad supports Warren and says Sanders doesn't know how to work with people.

It sort of follows what the candidates are projecting: Warren will build alliances within the party, Sanders will use populist pressure to pressure or replace Dems who don't get on board, etc.

Of course in real life Sanders has done plenty of traditional compromise politics both within the party and with the GOP, and Warren was seen as a big pain in the ass by certain people in the Obama admin (particularly Treasury). There's a certain amount of kayfabe involved.

Yup. Bernie reached across both aisles as an independent so the characterization is illegitimate.

[Mandark]

Yup. Bernie reached across both aisles as an independent so the characterization is illegitimate.

It's a characterization encouraged by Sanders and embraced by a lot of his more fervent supporters. You said you were excited at the prospect of Sanders tearing down the Democratic party just a few days ago!

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also "as an independent" is a part of that kayfabe, he's been a de facto democrat for decades

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[Mandark]

real talk, Dufus wrote a post explaining his mayor pete fandom (he made a random prediction and wants to be right, and now he's dug in his heels cause other people are jerks) and it's a billion percent more self-aware than the average politics shitposter

[Himu]

Yup. Bernie reached across both aisles as an independent so the characterization is illegitimate.

It's a characterization encouraged by Sanders and embraced by a lot of his more fervent supporters. You said you were excited at the prospect of Sanders tearing down the Democratic party just a few days ago!

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also "as an independent" is a part of that kayfabe, he's been a de facto democrat for decades

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True, true.

[Nintex]

I for one think Bernie Sanders would be a great President but unlike Trump his Presidency wouldn't be a roller coaster and have a negative impact on the stock markets and economy.
The fear of tax increases even if they don't happen is enough to put a dent in economic growth and once that pendulum swings it's hard to recover.
Trump's YOLO approach to governing keeps the circus going and the money rolling.

Corporations and business people know that Trump will help the worker base he needs to stay in power. But they also know that he wouldn't do anything that would really hurt business or the economy in general.

Still, both Bernie and Trump should've been the viable Presidential candidates 10 or even 20 years ago. Not at 70+.

[Tripon]

What's a caucus?

An really inefficient way to tally votes for a whole state

[Mandark]

Bernie surging right after Bloomberg promises to spend vast amounts of money supporting the eventual nominee puts us on track for the funniest outcome.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Man, bloomberg needs to fuck off, messing up my warren stonks.

[Himu]

Bloomberg really needs to fuck off. He is barely campaigning besides running ads. I'm convinced he's just there to take away delegates from Sanders. Siphon votes off people that aren't sure on Biden, and it takes votes away from Sanders and other candidates. That way when it comes to the DNC, if Sanders doesn't have enough delegates they can deny him. That's my pet theory at least: the DNC doesn't have faith in Biden and Bloomberg is their last resort.

[james]

I for one think Bernie Sanders would be a great President but unlike Trump his Presidency wouldn't be a roller coaster and have a negative impact on the stock markets and economy.
The fear of tax increases even if they don't happen is enough to put a dent in economic growth and once that pendulum swings it's hard to recover.
Trump's YOLO approach to governing keeps the circus going and the money rolling.

Corporations and business people know that Trump will help the worker base he needs to stay in power. But they also know that he wouldn't do anything that would really hurt business or the economy in general.

Still, both Bernie and Trump should've been the viable Presidential candidates 10 or even 20 years ago. Not at 70+.

Excellent analysis Nintex.

As Bernie gets closer to the nomination, wall street will be spooked and start selling.

Ironically, a 3,000 fall in the DOW (my prediction from March to November) will only hurt Trump in November.

[Nintex]

I for one think Bernie Sanders would be a great President but unlike Trump his Presidency wouldn't be a roller coaster and have a negative impact on the stock markets and economy.
The fear of tax increases even if they don't happen is enough to put a dent in economic growth and once that pendulum swings it's hard to recover.
Trump's YOLO approach to governing keeps the circus going and the money rolling.

Corporations and business people know that Trump will help the worker base he needs to stay in power. But they also know that he wouldn't do anything that would really hurt business or the economy in general.

Still, both Bernie and Trump should've been the viable Presidential candidates 10 or even 20 years ago. Not at 70+.

Excellent analysis Nintex.

As Bernie gets closer to the nomination, wall street will be spooked and start selling.

Ironically, a 3,000 fall in the DOW (my prediction from March to November) will only hurt Trump in November.

Yep, if that happens it'll be bad for Trump regardless. That's why he also sees Bernie as his most difficult rival at this point because he (and maybe Warren) are the only ones that could destabilize his economic boom.

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Perfect could you make this into a wallpaper, poster and T-Shirt? Also maybe add in some illustrations. Although I'm a fan of clear type also.
Also don't forget to add my copyright. Something like (C) Nintex would suffice to be replaced later by the legal name of this entity should we develop it further.

[Nintex]

New Warren ads
https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1223295156180393991

Also the acquittal vote might be pulled forward to today so everyone can enjoy the weekend.
Today is #AcquittalDay.


Breaking: Shots fired at the Mar-a-lago

[Cauliflower Of Love]

New Warren ads
https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1223295156180393991

Also the acquittal vote might be pulled forward to today so everyone can enjoy the weekend.
Today is #AcquittalDay.


Breaking: Shots fired at the Mar-a-lago

How to Cauc Us

[Nintex]

The Democrats are making the case that if the Republicans acquit the acquittal doesn't count.

So we now have the GOP saying that the impeachment doesn't count and the Democrats that the acquittal doesn't count. 

Rubio also not flipping
https://twitter.com/PatriciaMazzei/status/1223303407118753792

[kingv]

I like Warren ok, but she seems to be running a Hillary-tier campaign.

Like she had that weird proclamation about how she isn’t going to hire an education secretary until they get vetted by a young trans person. It’s just silly resetera type nonsense when I think “more realistic/less divisive Bernie Sanders” is a much better niche.

... please pick Brianna Wu.

[Occam]

Nadler is going to miss the vote about witnesses to be with his sick wife (she has pancreatic cancer). That means it's over.

[james]

So now they're saying he's guilty and should be removed but it would be a hassle at HR so best to wait until he gets fired?

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I like Warren ok, but she seems to be running a Hillary-tier campaign.

Like she had that weird proclamation about how she isn’t going to hire an education secretary until they get vetted by a young trans person. It’s just silly resetera type nonsense when I think “more realistic/less divisive Bernie Sanders” is a much better niche.

... please pick Brianna Wu.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Dude on msnbc interrupted roberts to announce what's on the banner text and then says "reluctant to interrupt chief roberts...".

[Nintex]

 



This shit is more boring than the Attack of the Clones 

[Great Rumbler]

Well, that's it. We've reached the final stage of Trump defense:

"Trump totally did do it, it's actually pretty bad, but we're not gonna do anything to stop it."

Instead they're going to leave it up to the voters to decide in an upcoming election, and election which Trump originally got trouble for trying to improperly influence, and which now the Senate has given its tacit approval for him to continue attempting to do so.

 

[benjipwns]

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[shosta]

Im not a supporter of bernie

so you really are voting for Elizabeth Anne Warren 

[Great Rumbler]

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When the teacher calls you out for talking in class.

[Nintex]

Finally Rudy gets a shout out in the impeachment hearing. 

Why do these Democrats think that John Bolton would jeopardize his book sales by giving them all the good stuff in testimony?

[Nintex]

The problem with any Trump defense is now illustrated by the Democrats by playing the tape of Mulvaney's press conference.
Who, instead of doing damage control, confirmed the whole scheme and said they did it all the time and everyone had to get over it.

[shosta]

I think I've run over the pros and cons of this so many times I might just write in forums poster recursive

I actually don't understand what it is you feel conflicted over

[shosta]

https://twitter.com/JohnDelaney/status/1223228260131188736

My long, national nightmare is finally over.

[OnlyRegret]

outlasted Beto testing and the less interesting Booker

[Occam]

31 January 2020: The Day the UK left the EU and the US stopped being a republic.

[nachobro]

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1223325410261377031

Shook

[benjipwns]

Haven't been following. Guess the impeachment hearing didn't go over too well?

Some hysterical people somehow convinced themselves that a Republican Senate was going to toss their President out of office in an election year on the eve of the primary.

All because they don't want to vote for the Bloomberg/Amy For America ticket in November.

[Himu]

Haven't been following. Guess the impeachment hearing didn't go over too well?

Republicans denied new evidence and witnesses being brought up.

While Trump's defense argued there wasn't enough evidence to convict.

Then eventually the argument became "he did something bad but not impeachable" while arguing it was a partisan process while saying that there shouldn't be witnesses out of the side of their mouths.

This is the first impeachment trial to not have witnesses.

The senate has basically allowed Trump to become a dictator.

[Himu]

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1223325410261377031

Shook

Democrats: Russians influenced our election.

Also Democrats: it's okay for a billionaire to buy into an election.

[Mandark]

It was inevitable that a Republican Senate would protect Trump, but I think even for liberals who were expecting it, actually reading/hearing the shitty justifications is pretty galling. Similar to the Kavanaugh situation.