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« Reply #5160 on: May 01, 2017, 11:19:33 AM »
Trump is not getting impeached, the fact that he was elected in the first place seems to signify that.

He possibly, maybe, won't get reelected. But I don't really see anyone on the democratic side charismatic enough and smart enough to swing vote people dumb enough to vote for him in the first place. Then again, I don't really follow politics much if at all anymore.

Here's your Democratic candidate!

Republicans: "Don't vote for him, he's a DEMOCRAT!"
Democrats: "Don't vote for him, he's not the RIGHT DEMOCRAT!"
Bernie: "I don't know, you know, I mean I think maybe I kinda like maybe some of what one of them has to say..."
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« Reply #5161 on: May 01, 2017, 11:33:54 AM »
We're better off with Trump in office than Hillary when you think about it, assuming he doesn't blow us up  :doge

Hillary would be marred with bad approval ratings, be struggling with a republican House/senate, and bogged down by bs investigations plus Russian fuckery (leaks, hacks, etc). 2018 would therefore be a disaster for democrats and she'd likely fail to be re-elected in 2020.

Whereas Trump is historically unpopular, might be indicted, and is bringing down the republican party with him
 :trumps

Sucks for Muslims and Hispanics and (well, minorities in general) but our sacrifice will be worth it when Cory Booker leads us back to the neoliberal promised land.  :doge
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« Reply #5162 on: May 01, 2017, 11:44:44 AM »
So you're saying a Trump presidency is like a big bowl of Skittles, and maybe one or two are poisoned and kill might us?
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« Reply #5163 on: May 01, 2017, 12:02:34 PM »
You would have been better off with Hillary Clinton but under the potential risk that the things that fuel "Trumpism" would be the same if not worst in 4 to 8 years (and probably a continuation of dysfunctional institutions). It's hard to tell because it's counterfactual and it's difficult to assess so called "populist waves".
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« Reply #5164 on: May 01, 2017, 12:38:12 PM »
You would have been better off with Hillary Clinton but under the potential risk that the things that fuel "Trumpism" would be the same if not worst in 4 to 8 years (and probably a continuation of dysfunctional institutions). It's hard to tell because it's counterfactual and it's difficult to assess so called "populist waves".
I once tried to point out to PoliGAF that this has basically been on some kind of cycle if you want to Voxsplain it as so. George Wallace and Nixon in 1968 both tapped into a populist "silent majority" plus "law and order" type focusg. (Wallace, like Trump, thought he'd be the secret candidate blacks would truly support because of his attacks on the status quo that was screwing them over.) And then the early 1990s had a resurgence first with Perot and Buchanan against NAFTA and Reagan's Amnesty and so on...and the anti-immigration stuff continued as part of the GOP candidates into 1996 but had mostly disappeared by 2000 (and Buchanan had no traction so jumped to the Reform Party for it's $14 million) because the economy had grew and Clinton got some head.

Even Reagan's counter to Carter was fueled as much by the "Reagan Democrat" thinking Carter/Kennedy were selling him out due to stagflation and the rise of Japan/Germany/etc. relatively as much as The Moral Majority's hand in it all.

Trump essentially won because all the other GOPers had run the other way for years since the wisdom was they couldn't win without taking certain positions and then when they scrambled back as Trump never slipped like Marco Rubio they looked like the bullshit artists Trump was calling them out as. Throw in all the other things they were terrible at, while Trump just ignored anything negative as if it wasn't happening.

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« Reply #5165 on: May 01, 2017, 01:24:20 PM »
We're better off with Trump in office than Hillary when you think about it, assuming he doesn't blow us up  :doge

Hillary would be marred with bad approval ratings, be struggling with a republican House/senate, and bogged down by bs investigations plus Russian fuckery (leaks, hacks, etc). 2018 would therefore be a disaster for democrats and she'd likely fail to be re-elected in 2020.

Whereas Trump is historically unpopular, might be indicted, and is bringing down the republican party with him
 :trumps

Sucks for Muslims and Hispanics and (well, minorities in general) but our sacrifice will be worth it when Cory Booker leads us back to the neoliberal promised land.  :doge

http://www.theonion.com/article/will-be-end-trumps-campaign-says-increasingly-nerv-52002
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« Reply #5167 on: May 01, 2017, 01:31:26 PM »
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People should be talking about it
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« Reply #5169 on: May 01, 2017, 01:36:05 PM »
"Everybody's talking about it."

Trump's top priority regardless of the issue.
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« Reply #5170 on: May 01, 2017, 01:45:15 PM »
Re: Andrew Jackson and the Civil War:

Quote from: Andrew Jackson
Yes I have; please give my compliments to my friends in [South Carolina] and say to them, that if a single drop of blood shall be shed there in opposition to the laws of the United States, I will hang the first man I can lay my hand on engaged in such treasonable conduct, upon the first tree I can reach.

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« Reply #5173 on: May 01, 2017, 03:25:58 PM »
edit: eh... never mind. :goty2
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« Reply #5174 on: May 01, 2017, 03:34:39 PM »
I hope Booker T runs.
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« Reply #5175 on: May 01, 2017, 03:53:52 PM »
We're better off with Trump in office than Hillary when you think about it, assuming he doesn't blow us up  :doge

Hillary would be marred with bad approval ratings, be struggling with a republican House/senate, and bogged down by bs investigations plus Russian fuckery (leaks, hacks, etc). 2018 would therefore be a disaster for democrats and she'd likely fail to be re-elected in 2020.

Whereas Trump is historically unpopular, might be indicted, and is bringing down the republican party with him
 :trumps

Sucks for Muslims and Hispanics and (well, minorities in general) but our sacrifice will be worth it when Cory Booker leads us back to the neoliberal promised land.  :doge
I have a republican friend who was concerned that a Trump presidency might be worse for the republican party than a Hillary one and he hoped Hillary would win because it'd be less harmful overall to his party. He and I were discussing Trump's 100 days and he said all things taken into account it wasn't great, but not necessarily an off the rails disaster as of yet. He mentioned Trump better deliver something more than executive orders soon or even his base will turn against him.

We'll see. But I do sorta agree. If the dems used this time to collect themselves and determine what went wrong, and how to fix the problems there they stand to gain big. However, they're not doing that. They're just digging in and calling everyone Nazis.
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« Reply #5176 on: May 01, 2017, 06:39:04 PM »
Garland is probably the best political example I can think of for the idea that if you think your opponent is evil, nothing you do is wrong.
Okay but Reconstruction and the rise of the KKK is like a close second, right?

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« Reply #5177 on: May 01, 2017, 07:12:59 PM »
“Just as dessert was being served, the President explained to Mr. Xi he had something he wanted to tell him, which was the launching of 59 missiles into Syria,” Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross said, as quoted by Variety. “It was in lieu of after-dinner entertainment.”

The crowd laughed, according to the report, at which point Ross added: “The thing was, it didn’t cost the president anything to have that entertainment.”

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« Reply #5178 on: May 01, 2017, 10:42:25 PM »
You would have been better off with Hillary Clinton but under the potential risk that the things that fuel "Trumpism" would be the same if not worst in 4 to 8 years (and probably a continuation of dysfunctional institutions). It's hard to tell because it's counterfactual and it's difficult to assess so called "populist waves".
I once tried to point out to PoliGAF that this has basically been on some kind of cycle if you want to Voxsplain it as so. George Wallace and Nixon in 1968 both tapped into a populist "silent majority" plus "law and order" type focusg. (Wallace, like Trump, thought he'd be the secret candidate blacks would truly support because of his attacks on the status quo that was screwing them over.) And then the early 1990s had a resurgence first with Perot and Buchanan against NAFTA and Reagan's Amnesty and so on...and the anti-immigration stuff continued as part of the GOP candidates into 1996 but had mostly disappeared by 2000 (and Buchanan had no traction so jumped to the Reform Party for it's $14 million) because the economy had grew and Clinton got some head.

Even Reagan's counter to Carter was fueled as much by the "Reagan Democrat" thinking Carter/Kennedy were selling him out due to stagflation and the rise of Japan/Germany/etc. relatively as much as The Moral Majority's hand in it all.

Trump essentially won because all the other GOPers had run the other way for years since the wisdom was they couldn't win without taking certain positions and then when they scrambled back as Trump never slipped like Marco Rubio they looked like the bullshit artists Trump was calling them out as. Throw in all the other things they were terrible at, while Trump just ignored anything negative as if it wasn't happening.

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In other news:

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« Reply #5181 on: May 02, 2017, 08:17:58 AM »
Wasn't the "2009 bailout" passed in 2008 and signed by GW? 
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« Reply #5183 on: May 02, 2017, 10:11:32 AM »
Great idea. Change the rules to 51%, lose seats in 2018, and even less of what you propose gets done.
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« Reply #5184 on: May 02, 2017, 11:52:35 AM »
weren't there two bailouts? one for banks, one for auto industry, the one for banks was done by bush, auto by obama

Auto was Bush also. Obama just expanded it.

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« Reply #5185 on: May 02, 2017, 12:06:18 PM »
i hear benji coming
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« Reply #5186 on: May 02, 2017, 02:26:19 PM »
With the Obama announcement today, it kind of struck me at how stupid presidential libraries are.

Actually, it makes sense. America has a long history of making tourist traps out of the most ridiculous things. So having one dedicated to the biggest cult of personality our country manufactures every 8 years shouldn't be a surprise. Paying 75 million a year to maintain them is probably a small cost in the grand scheme of things.

I can't wait to see the one that The Donald gets to build. It's going to be gaudy as fuck.

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« Reply #5188 on: May 02, 2017, 03:03:52 PM »
 :lol
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« Reply #5191 on: May 02, 2017, 05:12:47 PM »
http://www.eschatonblog.com/2017/05/david-brooks-gets-married-again.html

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« Reply #5192 on: May 02, 2017, 05:31:36 PM »
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Hillary Clinton said Tuesday that she takes “absolute personal responsibility” for her 2016 loss.

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The total picture was of a candidate only adding to the things she blames for her loss rather than truly looking inward. She acknowledged her own flaws, yes, but she also seemed to suggest they were rather inconsequential and at one point appeared to sarcastically dismiss the magnitude of them.

Asked whether misogyny played a role, Clinton said with a wry smile: “The book’s coming out in the fall.”

“Yes, I do think it played a role,” she said. “I think other things played a role, too.” She would go on to name Russia and Comey’s letter about discovering more Clinton emails with 11 days left in the campaign. She said she was on her way to winning without them and would have won if the election were held Oct. 27.

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Clinton also suggested that debate questions were to blame, saying moderators didn't ask about how the candidates planned to created jobs.


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Hillary Clinton said Tuesday that she takes “absolute personal responsibility”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/02/hillary-clinton-adds-misogyny-and-more-to-the-list-of-reasons-she-lost/

I mean, she isnt really wrong per say, but the way she keeps framing everything reads like this:



https://twitter.com/Ruleyork/status/858025172942675968

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« Reply #5193 on: May 02, 2017, 05:33:55 PM »
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Clinton also suggested that debate questions were to blame, saying moderators didn't ask about how the candidates planned to created jobs.

Well she could have brought this up before the event  since she already knew the questions.

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« Reply #5194 on: May 02, 2017, 06:29:31 PM »
I watched the video of Hilldawg, and she didn't take "absolute personal responsibility" at all. She said they didn't run a perfect campaign, but then went back to putting almost all of the blame on Comey and the DNC leaks.

Exactly, she is using the Ja Rule defense. I will say the words "I take responsibility"....except based on what I say in the very next sentence, clearly I believe and want you to believe the opposite.

In this case I don't think her criticisms are wrong, but at the end of the day you are still the candidate that was in such a weak position that those knowable factors were enough to give the election to an historically unpopular candidate.




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« Reply #5196 on: May 02, 2017, 07:00:05 PM »
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"if the election had been on oct 27 i would be your president"

stay not taking any responsibility brehs

an easy 2020 win is still available for any democrat with the moral fortitude and/or balls to drift to the center and take the high road overall
hard to have sympathy for people that repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot by way of doubling-down
even if i think a lot of shit is blown out of proportion, at the end of the day, it's trump. cmon dems, it's trump. figure it out
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« Reply #5197 on: May 02, 2017, 07:04:27 PM »
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« Reply #5198 on: May 02, 2017, 07:08:01 PM »
https://twitter.com/HouseInSession/status/859410076163026944

God's not gonna take that call, brehs. :neogaf
Dear God, please let us defy your will. :lol
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« Reply #5199 on: May 02, 2017, 07:30:48 PM »
I had to read about Democrats needing to drift towards the center on this page when talking about Hillary  :usacry
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« Reply #5200 on: May 02, 2017, 07:55:03 PM »
"The Democratic Party would win more elections if they shifted towards my own personal beliefs."

A fresh, insightful take.

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« Reply #5201 on: May 02, 2017, 07:57:17 PM »

A fresh, insightful take.


Something we'll never have to worry about coming from you.

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« Reply #5202 on: May 02, 2017, 08:09:20 PM »
"The Democratic Party would win more elections if they shifted towards my own personal beliefs."

A fresh, insightful take.
Good afternoon Mrs. Clinton.


PS. yea, sure is inflammatory of me to say that the democrats would gain votes by going to the middle rather than farther left.
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« Reply #5203 on: May 02, 2017, 08:20:33 PM »
to the middle
what does this mean?

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« Reply #5204 on: May 02, 2017, 08:22:01 PM »
:neogaf
"if the election had been on oct 27 i would be your president"

stay not taking any responsibility brehs

an easy 2020 win is still available for any democrat with the moral fortitude and/or balls to drift to the center and take the high road overall
hard to have sympathy for people that repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot by way of doubling-down
even if i think a lot of shit is blown out of proportion, at the end of the day, it's trump. cmon dems, it's trump. figure it out
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when they go low we go high? whatever happened to that
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I know it has already been ridiculed but I will go ahead anyways...

Isn't that essentially what Hillary tried to do?

- She made measurable and semi solid in-roads in suburban white areas of the country.

- Chose Tim Kaine, an appeal to centrism, over any number of more progressive candidates that could of helped strategically shore up some aspect of the base better.

- Tried to argue she was the mainstream candidate and the other guy beyond the pale.

- Never really took ownership of her "most progressive ever" platform. Sort of did an updated version of the whole 90's Clinton triangulation strategy of signaling to the left in white papers and the primary's but campaigning with rhetoric aimed at the perceived center.


This is an election where the Republican candidate made a splash because he co-opted arguments that used to be taboo post-Reagan: overt protectionism, unapologetic support for UHC, government control in the economy, major infrastructure spending.

Which then begs the question, what exactly is the "center" these days anyways? And are we even in a situation where centrism can overcome the disillusionment it will do to an anti-establishment base and thaw the tribalism of a country where people on the right have pretty much proven that the bar is even higher then Trump to get them to break party loyalties?
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« Reply #5205 on: May 02, 2017, 08:23:20 PM »
to the middle
what does this mean?
Glad an American asked, because looking over from Eurostan, she'd have to move left to get there.

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« Reply #5206 on: May 02, 2017, 08:25:25 PM »
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« Reply #5207 on: May 02, 2017, 10:05:01 PM »
"The Democratic Party would win more elections if they shifted towards my own personal beliefs."

A fresh, insightful take.
Good afternoon Mrs. Clinton.


PS. yea, sure is inflammatory of me to say that the democrats would gain votes by going to the middle rather than farther left.
Sure, but how center is donny? :trumps
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« Reply #5208 on: May 02, 2017, 11:59:35 PM »
"The Democratic Party would win more elections if they shifted towards my own personal beliefs."

A fresh, insightful take.
Good afternoon Mrs. Clinton.


PS. yea, sure is inflammatory of me to say that the democrats would gain votes by going to the middle rather than farther left.
Sure, but how center is donny? :trumps

In D&D terms, we've had Lawful Evil, Lawful Neutral, and True Neutral politicians, but this is the first time we've had a Chaotic (((Neutral))) in the Executive seat.

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« Reply #5209 on: May 03, 2017, 01:39:26 AM »
I watched the video of Hilldawg, and she didn't take "absolute personal responsibility" at all. She said they didn't run a perfect campaign, but then went back to putting almost all of the blame on Comey and the DNC leaks.

This is eminently reasonable. Comey robbed her, and the country, with his horseshit letter.

If the election were on October 27, she certainly gets PA, MI, WI, and she probably also gets FL and NC.
Sadly Hillary was apparently unaware that the election actually was on November 8th
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« Reply #5210 on: May 03, 2017, 01:41:47 AM »
"The Democratic Party would win more elections if they shifted towards my own personal beliefs."

A fresh, insightful take.
Good afternoon Mrs. Clinton.


PS. yea, sure is inflammatory of me to say that the democrats would gain votes by going to the middle rather than farther left.
Sure, but how center is donny? :trumps

In D&D terms, we've had Lawful Evil, Lawful Neutral, and True Neutral politicians, but this is the first time we've had a Chaotic (((Neutral))) in the Executive seat.
Ahem, everyone knows Trump is chaotic evil :snob
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« Reply #5211 on: May 03, 2017, 03:44:53 AM »
The US Department of Justice is literally prosecuting a woman for laughing at Jeff Sessions
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According to Ryan Reilly at HuffPost, Code Pink activist Desiree Fairooz was arrested in January after she laughed at a claim from Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL) that Sessions’s history of “treating all Americans equally under the law is clear and well-documented.”

Sessions, in fact, has a long history of opposing the equal treatment of all Americans under the law. He has repeatedly criticized the historic Voting Rights Act. He voted against hate crime legislation that protected LGBTQ people, arguing, “Today, I'm not sure women or people with different sexual orientations face that kind of discrimination. I just don't see it.” And his nomination for a position as a federal judge was rejected in the 1980s after he was accused of making racist remarks, including a supposed joke that he thought the Ku Klux Klan “was okay until I found out they smoked pot.”

Given this history, Fairooz laughed at Shelby’s claim. (…)

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« Reply #5212 on: May 03, 2017, 07:28:33 AM »
is there any other way to prosecute?

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« Reply #5213 on: May 03, 2017, 07:35:38 AM »
I watched the video of Hilldawg, and she didn't take "absolute personal responsibility" at all. She said they didn't run a perfect campaign, but then went back to putting almost all of the blame on Comey and the DNC leaks.

This is eminently reasonable. Comey robbed her, and the country, with his horseshit letter.

If the election were on October 27, she certainly gets PA, MI, WI, and she probably also gets FL and NC.

How can we definitively know that? She barely campaigned in those states, outside of the major city in each.
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« Reply #5214 on: May 03, 2017, 01:55:58 PM »
Drops in the public polls post-Comey, reports of more dramatic shifts in internal polling post-Comey. Then you look at which states would swing with even about a 1-2% shift in the numbers.

This is a fairly settled matter, and you really only make yourself look dumb by arguing otherwise.


If Comey mattered. The only reason is because Clinton ran a campaign that was so tenuous that 107,000 votes in three states was her only buffer from losing to a historically unpopular candidate.

 That some people like to ignore, was dealing with constant scandal of his own on a nearly daily basis in October.

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« Reply #5215 on: May 03, 2017, 02:09:26 PM »
I don't seek to make Jack touch reality, but blaming the FBI for investigating the wrongdoings you did tells the public how you feel about yourself in comparison to the rest of the world, and the public doesn't like that.


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« Reply #5216 on: May 03, 2017, 02:46:02 PM »
Brehs if you lost to the Donald you'd nevet shut up about it and would use every excuse in the playbook.

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« Reply #5217 on: May 03, 2017, 02:52:43 PM »
Most estimates are that Comey cost her 2 to 3 percentage points. She beat Trump by 2 already, so without the letter she wins by at least 4 and gets this map: http://www.270towin.com/maps/9AjEm

I mean some people would still call that underachieving, but it would have been a respectable win.
because Nate Silver is so accurate  :doge
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #5218 on: May 03, 2017, 02:58:06 PM »
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #5219 on: May 03, 2017, 03:01:19 PM »
I, for one, am totally for accepting the argument that polls showed Hillary would have won in October. I mean, what else has this election taught us if not that polls were a completely viable method for gauging who would have won? :doge
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