US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[TakingBackSunday]

I'm tiredness of talking about Clinton ffs

[I'm a Puppy!]

So long as Walrus I mean Jack is around we're going to be discussing it.

[bluemax]

I'm tiredness of talking about Clinton ffs

How about President Zuckerberg:

http://observer.com/2017/05/mark-zuckerberg-running-for-president-photos/

[Phoenix Dark]

The political equivalent of Texas v USC 2006 

[Trent Dole]

[agrajag]

No doubt the letter swayed the election, PoliBore in denial, big league

[etiolate]

Thanks for the Nate Silver update.

In related news, OJ Simpson is still out looking for the real killer.

[TakingBackSunday]

Much like everything that ever happens in the entire history of everything, it was a combination of factors.  The letter, Hilary's lack of charisma, Trump's name recognition, the ACA premium news, her terrible campaign in the Midwest, etc.

TL;DR: Bad campaign made worse by stupid FBI action

[Steve Contra]

Nobody knows what would have happened tbh, but Comey should have resigned when it was revealed what they were actually looking at comapred to the ominous tone of his letter.

[Syph]

It's ridiculous of her to take full responsibility since she would have and should have won doing exactly what she did.

should have eh?
"It was her turn!"

[Phoenix Dark]

Well as Hillary Clinton once said, I'm not going to discuss hypotheticals.

[Mandark]

We rehashing the election again?

Cool, so it must be... a Wednesday.

[ToxicAdam]

It's their 9/11. They are still working through the PTSD.

[TakingBackSunday]

Fuck everything about this healthcare debacle.

[Great Rumbler]

Two of the big holdouts in the House switched their votes because of an amendment that's going to drop $8 billion into the high-risk insurance pool over the next 5 years, except that those pools are expected to cost $20-$30 billion per year.

[Phoenix Dark]

It's literally idiotic policy that is inexcusable and more expansive then *gasp* allowing people with pre-existing conditions to purchase insurance within exchanges alongside younger/healthier people in order to spread costs and blah blah blah fuck these guys.

I don't think it'll pass. The bill hasn't even been revealed to the public, and the moderates know the senate will simply rewrite it. Are they really gonna kill themselves for nothing?

[TakingBackSunday]

Yes.

[Trent Dole]

Wait, they haven't revealed the text of this version at all? Yeah it's not happening.

[Nola]

It's literally idiotic policy that is inexcusable and more expansive then *gasp* allowing people with pre-existing conditions to purchase insurance within exchanges alongside younger/healthier people in order to spread costs and blah blah blah fuck these guys.

I don't think it'll pass. The bill hasn't even been revealed to the public, and the moderates know the senate will simply rewrite it. Are they really gonna kill themselves for nothing?

I was wondering why I couldn't find a copy earlier.

Fucking degenerates honestly.

Though the fact 8 billion for a 30 billion dollar program was enough to satisfy the delusional feeling of cover for some moderates to vote for this speaks to how fucking awful the moderate wing really is.

I hate the Freedom Caucus and all, but at least they stand for something other then tax cuts for the wealthy. The moderate wing really is just a bunch of parasitic organisms that do what ever they can to maintain survival in order to help rich people. There are no real principles on domestic policy or real concern for the constituents.

[Great Rumbler]

https://twitter.com/TopherSpiro/status/859879560132915200

They still don't actually have enough votes to get it passed but their going full steam ahead anyway.

[Boredfrom]

Trump wants a win after the budget debacle, doesn't matter the political or human cost.

[TakingBackSunday]

I'm still scared this passes

[TakingBackSunday]

Also

https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/859933959244963840

[thisismyusername]

Also

https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/859933959244963840

Note: Multi-tweet, click through and scrolldown.

[agrajag]

Holy shit, what if it's going to be a repeat of the first "vote"?

[Trent Dole]

They don't have the numbers but they're going for it anyway.

[Great Rumbler]

I guess Ryan figures he's not going to get any better version of the bill and is trying to force a few Yes votes while there's still some confusion over just what's in the bill.

[TakingBackSunday]

I don't have the confidence shown here.  After November, I'm going to diablos like crazy

[Nola]

I'm still scared this passes

There is a tiny bit of me that feels like "fuck it, lets try accelerationism."

People voted for this shit, let them see what it actually looks like. Clean up in 2018 and step over the smoldering body of the GOP's credibility on health policy in 2020 and get reform that is far better then anyone could of hoped under Democratic control through that same time period.

It's risky, but this bill is so bad, so very fucking bad. And the fact it shifts the harm disproportionately toward GOP demographic strongholds is a level of political idiocy I have never experienced.

40% of Trump voters supporting single-payer back in early April seems like it would be the low point if this passed.

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Then I remember people will literally die because of this shit.

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[agrajag]

I think it has a 50/50 chance of passing. I just don't see how either outcome doesn't hurt the GOP. They pretty much backed themselves into a corner with this awful bill.

[I'm a Puppy!]

We are on the darkest timeline. Of course it will pass

[Nola]

I think it has a 50/50 chance of passing. I just don't see how either outcome doesn't hurt the GOP. They pretty much backed themselves into a corner with this awful bill.

And honestly I just don't know why they didn't take the L and move on. The funding comrpomise showed they clearly aren't scared of ignoring Trump.

Shit went down so fast that they could move on to taxes or any number of things and by 2018 just stop talking about healthcare hoping the economy is still picking up and role on that.

Now they just keep dragging it along and reminding people how fucking awful and incompetent they are. And on the off chance they end up passing something, then they have to actually live with it.

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

if this passes, and it could, would McConnell blow up the legislative filibuster to pass it?

I mean, he can, and I kind of expect him to do just that eventually (but even then he might only be a vote or two shy). But for this shitburger? I'm hoping cooler heads will prevail.

But that of course would put all the GOP Senators against Trump, and they're clearly more scared of him or at least his awful base then they are of anything else. Crap. This could get really bad.

[chronovore]

Pitchfork time. These assclowns did nothing but obstruct for 8 years, most of them have forgotten how to do anything other than play defense.

[Great Rumbler]

if this passes, and it could, would McConnell blow up the legislative filibuster to pass it?

I believe they're trying to get the bill through the Senate with the budget reconciliation process, which would only require 50 votes.

[Trent Dole]

if this passes, and it could, would McConnell blow up the legislative filibuster to pass it?

I believe they're trying to get the bill through the Senate with the budget reconciliation process, which would only require 50 votes.

They already did the nuke option to get their scotus nom through, they won't hesitate to do it again.

[Trent Dole]

I think you underestimate how pure fucking evil the GOP is and how utterly spineless the Dems are.

[Nola]

if this passes, and it could, would McConnell blow up the legislative filibuster to pass it?

I believe they're trying to get the bill through the Senate with the budget reconciliation process, which would only require 50 votes.

Yep.

That is why the bill is designed the way it is. It has to deal directly with the budget.

And to be frank, there is a good chance that even if they get it past the senate, the whole 30% insurer surcharge for lapsed coverage will not pass the parliamentarian for reconciliation and that will force Republicans to go the Ted Cruz route, and further erode Senate norms by ignoring that ruling, or it gets kicked back out and without that clause, the bill becomes really untenable.

[Joe Molotov]

I guess Ryan figures he's not going to get any better version of the bill and is trying to force a few Yes votes while there's still some confusion over just what's in the bill.

This is the bill he's chosen to die on.

[TakingBackSunday]

Looks like this is passing.

[Phoenix Dark]

I'm betting no.

avatar bet?

[TakingBackSunday]

I'm betting no.

avatar bet?

Sure.  I have no idea what to give you if I'm right though

[Mupepe]

I'm betting no.

avatar bet?

Sure.  I have no idea what to give you if I'm right though

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[Joe Molotov]

https://twitter.com/hankgreen/status/859947035193167873

Look at that plummeting FREEDOM.  :'( :'( :'( :'(

[I'm a Puppy!]

Hrmmmm....I'm all for the ACA but it seems a bit disingenuous to only show 2 years (immediately following the financial crisis) and then claim it's because the ACA. Show a much longer timeframe then draw conclusions.

[Joe Molotov]

www.cnn.com/2017/05/04/politics/health-care-vote/index.html

The final vote will be very close, but many Republicans were already in a celebratory mode in a morning meeting in the House basement. The theme song to "Rocky" played as members filed in.

[Great Rumbler]

So, outside of a sharp drop-off following a record year, the number of bankruptcies had been steadily climbing since 1980 and only started trending downward after the ACA was passed.

[Human Snorenado]

Do they have the votes or not?

[Great Rumbler]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/421398464472162304

[TakingBackSunday]

This is passing the House.

[Sausage]

2 dems just voted for the bill...

[Nola]

This is passing the House.

And with it Republican control of that chamber in 2018.

...Trying to see the positives.

[Sausage]

2 dems just voted for the bill...

Looks like they changed it

[Great Rumbler]

217-213, bill passed.

This is what you wanted, America.

[Sausage]

https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/860196849407467521

[TakingBackSunday]

Fuck the GOP.  Fuck everything.

[Great Rumbler]

This bill passed by ONE VOTE.

[ToxicAdam]

So, outside of a sharp drop-off following a record year, the number of bankruptcies had been steadily climbing since 1980 and only started trending downward after the ACA was passed.

That sharp drop off was for a reason.

http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/17/pf/debt/bankruptcy_law/

[Great Rumbler]

Probably added to the previous year being a record year, everybody on the edge getting in their bankruptcy before the law changed. Still, following that massive drop-off, the yearly number started climbing back towards the old trend line up until the ACA passed.

[Boredfrom]

So the democrats where the ones doing the chating? Jesus...